Fascism in Action

[Guest]

It is apparent that one can say most anything on this board. Except challenge Nicole Maron, also known as Technopatria.. If you do so, you will be "inactivated" as happened to Black Rock Ric..

I got away with all sorts of spurious negative comments about the partial abortion called Burning Man, but the single post I made directly to Nicole.. Got me "inactivated".. Although the technology behind the bulletin board is still so primitive it is easy to by pass "inactivation" This restriction of free speech while perhaps technically legal is just fascism.

As a parent of several teenagers, I allow them their little rebellions, figuring to forestall a major rebellion.. Supressing them in small ways would likely result in a major rebellion. Thus it is with Nicole, by acting in such a petty fashion, she pissed me off. I make my living by zapping folks with Tazers, Pepper spraying them, whacking them with baseball bats when necessary, all backed up with a fair amount of fire power, North Las Vegas Skip Tracer...

So when a small minded person with a small amount of power acts on that small amount of power I get Pissed. BM is now moved to the front of my active shit list.. First Item is the research on the residual effects of BM on the surrounding area, which is significant.. Data in a multi media presentation to BLM and to The Nevada Senators,, One of which, being a conservative Christian does not have a high opinion of BM

The question I have now is how long this post will last, will the fascists supress it, or do they believe in the the standard rights that allow them to have their beast in the desert?

We shall see... Take Care Ya'll

Black Rock Ric

[Lydia Love]

Just drink the fuckin kook-aid and leave us alone, would ya?

[Lydia Love]

that was, of course, meant to be "kool-aid"... but actually "kook-aid" sort of works.

[Badger]

Now THAT little online jack-and-toss was funny.

Didn't think he'd resort to such an infantile, doo-doo smearing tantrum but....

It was funny.

[calsur]

Black Rock Ric wrote "Thus it is with Nicole, by acting in such a petty fashion, she pissed me off. I make my living by zapping folks with Tazers, Pepper spraying them, whacking them with baseball bats when necessary, all backed up with a fair amount of fire power, North Las Vegas Skip Tracer..."

Ric, you just made a terrorist threat.

California Penal Code § 422 (2001) - Punishment for (Terrorist) Threats

Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out, which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made, is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison.For the purposes of this section, "immediate family" means any spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the prior six months, regularly resided in the household."Electronic communication device" includes, but is not limited to, telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax machines, or pagers. "Electronic communication" has the same meaning as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of the United States Code.


TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 41 > Sec. 875.
Sec. 875. - Interstate communications (a) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any demand or request for a ransom or reward for the release of any kidnapped person, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. (b) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. (c) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.


By publishing a name that you would not get unless you had a PRIVATE MESSAGE with Tech. and then stating you business tactics you threatened that person with violence.

I request that this tread be terminated.

[calsur]

Sorry,

Wrong cite on the second part.

H.R.3162
Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001 (Received in the Senate)

SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
(a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(1) in paragraph (1)(B)(iii), by striking `by assassination or kidnapping' and inserting `by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping';
(2) in paragraph (3), by striking `and';
(3) in paragraph (4), by striking the period at the end and inserting `; and'; and
(4) by adding at the end the following:
`(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
`(B) appear to be intended--

`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'.

[juanicoheal]

It is apparent that one can say most anything on this board. Except challenge .... blah blah blah blah...Black Rock Ric

<cue studio audience> awwwww

<announcer> Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

[spectabillis]

So when a small minded person with a small amount of power acts on that small amount of power I get Pissed.
Black Rock Ric

Sad to see someone hate themself that much.

[technopatra]

Don't let em bother you. We are talking about 1-3 guys with grudges who go out of there way to attack us online because they've failed in real life. Toothless tigers need not be tamed.

But if anyone has any interest in the facts of this deactivation, please go visit the Case Studies thread.

Oh yeah. anyone who wants to help out with making "Technopatra is a Fascist!" thong underwear, lemme know. They will be a real collector's item one day. I'm thinking yellow text on a red background, (just like Stalin-era Soviet propaganda!) with an Eye of Technopatra symbol on the ass

[technopatra]

I'm really sorry if this thread bugs anyone - it was just too damn funny to kill. Official complaints made to admin [at] burningman [.] com, will of course, be seriously addressed. As always.

[Simply Joel]

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~semp/facism.htm

At least one persons description of facism....

Fascism

by Dr Robert Pearce. University College of St Martin, Lancaster

new perspective. Volume 3. Number 1. September 1997

Summary: fascism is one of the most complicated issues in modern history. There is no simple or generally accepted definition: the term needs to be understood on a variety of levels (as a political ideology, as a style of rule, as a sub-division of totalitarian power politics, and as characteristic policies).

IN 1918, at the end of a brutal and exhausting war, many Europeans were determined that another such conflict should never occur again. The Great War must be 'the war to end war'. Militarism was to be outlawed, state boundaries redrawn to take account of national identity, and human rights respected. In short, the world was to be made safe for democracy. The future would surely be the best of times. Twenty years later, however, such hopes seemed childishly naive. By then, one state after another had given way to authoritarian rule and a second world war was about to be unleashed. For many it was the worst of times; and the chief culprit, it seemed, was easily found - fascism, which the German novelist Thomas Mann described in 1938 as 'a disease of the times, which is at home everywhere and from which no country is free'. Quite simply, it was 'the plague of the twentieth century'.

Why had this contagion spread and what exactly was it? These are profoundly difficult questions to answer. Justly has it been said that fascism stubbornly remains 'the great conundrum for students of the twentieth century'. As a result, some students often misunderstand the term and use it inappropriately, while others steer clear of it altogether. Admittedly, 'fascism' is a slippery and elusive concept, but we must attempt to get to grips with it.

Conclusion

Generic fascism has been the subject of intense myth-making from the dictators, their supporters and their enemies. In addition, it has been subject to endless speculation from political scientists and philosophers. There can be no 'solution' to the problem of fascism. We can't assign one meaning to the term, if only because so many different, contradictory meanings have been given to it. Two things are essential. We must be careful, when we use the word, to define what we mean by it; and we must be aware of the main interpretations that have been put forward. Then we will understand that a regime can be called Nazi, totalitarian, anti-Semitic, and unique - at the same time as being fascist. Perhaps the most useful approach has been that of the 'check-list': fascism is looked at on several levels, including ideology, style and organisation, and actions. Such a wide-ranging approach comes close to the advice of the Italian historian Tasca, who said that the best way to define fascism is to write its history. These are wise words. What is important is not what precise name we assign to portions of the past but that we understand what happened and why - and the more we understand, the less the particular labels matter. The search for terminological exactitude is doomed to failure; the search for historical understanding is always fruitful.

[DVD Burner]

You know Joel,

This is one time your "cut and paste" came in really handy.

[Simply Joel]

As my close friends already know.... I am an acquired taste.

[Maia]

A. Calsur you are incorrect, BRR the Rev only stated the tools used in his line of work, skip tracing, done one week per month in Las Vegas for large amounts of money. Uncle Sam's training did get him the fine job, no GI bill needed.

B. Nicole, BRR/The Rev, Does not know/has never met the stopburningman people, and is not connected in any way beyond that which connects you and I, photons on a screen. Nicole, you can psychobabble it all you want, it is still corporate fascism, the same thinking that allowed "good" German companies to supply the tools of war 1939-45.
C. Stuart, If you were truly a "lefty" you would be open to many points of view. Consider Voltaire.

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire, A man hated by fascists, and apparently, burning man attendees..

As the American Viceroy in Iraq, Paul Bremer, (a neocon, definition?; leaning toward fascism) found out; suppressing freedom of speech can cause more problems than allowing it..

[Lydia Love]

oh dear god... whose hand is up *your* ass?

this is a forum *for* burningman attendees, ya dig? your right to express yourself isn't violated if you don't get pee in this particular pool. I'm sure BRR can find other places to be an asshole.

Many different opinions on burningman get expressed here, positive and negative. I like it that it has to be done with some modicum of respect for the community as a whole.

[Rob the Wop]

Nicole, you can psychobabble it all you want, it is still corporate fascism, the same thinking that allowed "good" German companies to supply the tools of war 1939-45.

So let me get this straight. Technopatra is akin to Nazis (or Nazi sympathizers) because she kicked you out of a private party in 'her house' where you were being a jerk.

I didn't know Freedom of Speech rights applied to private bulletin boards.

Looks like someone needs a hug...

[Ranger Genius]

The subject is mostly just beating a dead horse now, but it seems to me that BRR/The Reb/Maia(?) really doesn't have a leg to stand on, rationally. BRR agreed to the terms of service and the community guidelines in order to create its account. These include:

post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

harasses or advocates harassment of another person;

upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that information that you know is false, misleading or promotes illegal activities or conduct that is abusive, threatening, obscene, defamatory, tortious or libelous;

He/she/it also understood the potential ramifications of engaging in such activity, including deleted posts and/or account deactivation. Free speech is one thing, still another is respect for what BRR has to say. But BRR and his alter-egos (read as: socks) has routinely presented its ideas in a completely abusive and disrespectful manner, therefore the punitive actions (NOT retaliatory) taken by Technopatra were completely warranted.

Furthermore: one does not need to expressly say "I'm going to disrupt your central nervous system with an electrical jolt" in order to be making a threat. Saying to someone who has crossed you "I routinely batter people with blunt objects and/or disrupt their central nervous system with electrical jolts," DOES constitute a threat through the implication that you may do the same to the person at whom the comment is addressed. "I've got a gun and I know how to use it" is a threat, despite the fact that it does not expressly say so. There is plenty of legal precedent to support this.

This message board is also a COMMUNITY, and membership in said community is conditional upon following its established guidelines. There is room for dissent, but no room for abusive and libelous behavior.

[theCryptofishist]

and calling technopatria a facist is helping BRR in his quest to stop BM from using the playa how?




Dang, a skip tracer. Well, that makes sence. It must keep him firmly in his misanthropy. (I cannot imagine who's ickiest--boss, co-workers, or clientelle. All in quotes, of course.) So of course between jobs he has plenty of time to go to his mountain and spread his own brand of hate, instead of meditating and asking for the inner calm to bear the 30,000. Has he given himself any shocks? Just wondering.

[Alpha]

Skip Tracer

Hey, that's my porno name!

[Maia]

Ranger Genius and Calsur; Are you paranoid? If I said I was a seamstress and used needles would you think I am stating I may use them on you? If I said I was a gardener and used shovels and the occasional chainsaw, would you think I was threatening you? Nitwits.

Your government trained BRR/The Rev, he uses those skills to provide for his family. The people he works with aren't nice, his clientele is not nice but fairly stupid. A good income results.. A collective good for society results..

burning man is considered a cult by many, the parallels between Scientology, Mormonism and bm, starting with suppression of dissent and moving onto paranoia and again onto a sense of superiority over non initiates, as a poster stated, he sees a big difference between those who have attended and those who have not; burners and non burners.. You might read "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer (an old climbing partner of BRR) curious psychological parallels to burners..

[DVD Burner]

Your government trained BRR/The Rev, he uses those skills to provide for his family. The people he works with aren't nice, his clientele is not nice but fairly stupid. A good income results.. A collective good for society results..

Even more of a reason to distrust your unstableness. As I've said to you awhile back; you are a "wanna be."

A wanna be aristocrat, a wanna be cop, a wanna be something in life.

You need mental help and should get some provided by your distrustful government.

[Tancorix]

Regarding Sock #3 or Maia, oops I meant BRR....the Picture says it all. Handle accordingly.

[Rob the Wop]

Ranger Genius and Calsur; Are you paranoid? If I said I was a seamstress and used needles would you think I am stating I may use them on you? If I said I was a gardener and used shovels and the occasional chainsaw, would you think I was threatening you? Nitwits.

I don't think the statement was in regards to a definitive threat. The implication is inherent with supplying irrelevant information just preceding the information you supplied- where you state that Nicole makes you 'Pissed' (obviously not a minor thing if you took the effort to capitalize it).

Example 1- "My job is attacking nasty people with nastier things, and I am very proficient doing so (paraphrasing). That's a nice coat. Should work great in this cooler weather we're having."

This simply seems disjointed and maybe slightly schizophrenic. The information about your specialty is not at all required to make your point.

Example 2- "My job is attacking nasty people with nastier things, and I am very proficient doing so (paraphrasing). You Piss me off."

You have given erroneous information, but now there is a possible connection. It's now turned into a 'subtle' warning. Unless you expound on why the information of what your job has to do with your statement- the only possible link I see is a subtle threat of 'don't fuck with me, I'm a bad-ass'. Maybe you are trying to imply that your job often places you in situations where things are distasteful and unpleasant- and you find the actions of Nicole to add to this general feeling. Regardless, the most direct and logical link between your job information and your statement- is a threat based upon the relative distance between your being 'Pissed' and the violent details of your occupation, along with the general tone of your statements.

Question- does the admin of a private bulletin board, of a relatively peaceful event, deserve to be threatened simply because she excludes you from interacting with a community that you despise (you have often referred to Burners in insulting terms)? Are these the actions of a reasonable man? You want to move the event- great. Is Technopatra truly your enemy? This is the equivalent of assaulting a meter maid because you disagree with the mayor.

[Don Muerto]

All the free speech, 'your banning me is like pulling the entrails from children" BS sounds like that Panther fella.

Uh...I didn't actually mean that. I, uh, don't want to get tazed or clubbed or anything.

[stuart]

Oh yeah. anyone who wants to help out with making "Technopatra is a Fascist!" thong underwear, lemme know. They will be a real collector's item one day. I'm thinking yellow text on a red background, (just like Stalin-era Soviet propaganda!) with an Eye of Technopatra symbol on the ass

I'll make em if you give em back 'pre-owned'!

[stuart]

hey BRR et all.

I am a professional 'tear your right arm off and shove it up your ass, tear your left arm off and beat you to death with it' <smooch>

[drowned_saved]

I make my living by zapping folks with Tazers, Pepper spraying them, whacking them with baseball bats when necessary, all backed up with a fair amount of fire power.

let me guess...metermaid?

[Rob the Wop]

I make my living by zapping folks with Tazers, Pepper spraying them, whacking them with baseball bats when necessary, all backed up with a fair amount of fire power.

let me guess...metermaid?

I was guessing marraige counselor.

[blyslv]

Absent state action, there can be no claim of infringment of free speech. The First Amendment applies only to government, not private entities.

Just being all pedantic n'stuff. Carry on. There's a scab-like fascination(as in endless picking) at watching impotent rage.

[DVD Burner]

hey, you know, this could turn out better than the Mayo thread