Henry Lewis Gates, Black Harvard Professor arrested

[goathead]

I might be wrong here

BUT

If I flip a LEO a ration of SHIT
I have a pretty good idea that I will wind up in jail.

and it really doesn't matter where it happens at.

Great, in your own house you better watch your manners BOY!!

Yes, you are wrong here.

Absolutely no problem at all.
Manner, respect, simple things my parents taught me.

[Ugly Dougly]

Two questions:

1. What is "disorderly conduct"?

B. Why can't they drink American beer?

PS -> The woman who called the cops initially didn't know who her neighbors were or what they looked like. WTFO???

[littleflower]

of course i did some research. i found a discrepancy. please note that i did not opine as to who is lying, but merely suggested that there was a motive for the woman who called the cops on her neighbor to lie about what ultimately occurred.

you're so fucking predictable, dvd ...

[DVD Burner]

Two questions:

1. What is "disorderly conduct"?

B. Why can't they drink American beer?

PS -> The woman who called the cops initially didn't know who her neighbors were or what they looked like. WTFO???

yeah yea, can you imagine not knowing who your neighbor is?

and

I just found out Bud was not American.

[goathead]

B. Why can't they drink American beer?

WTF

[DVD Burner]

of course i did some research. i found a discrepancy. please note that i did not opine as to who is lying, but merely suggested that there was a motive for the woman who called the cops on her neighbor to lie about what ultimately occurred.

you're so fucking predictable, dvd ...

Ok, you did "some" research and found "a" discrepancy.

Rich!

whatever, that's all I have time for you today.

[dvd-r]

I might be wrong here

BUT

If I flip a LEO a ration of SHIT
I have a pretty good idea that I will wind up in jail.

and it really doesn't matter where it happens at.

Great, in your own house you better watch your manners BOY!!

Yes, you are wrong here.

Absolutely no problem at all.
Manner, respect, simple things my parents taught me.

I am trying to give a thoughtout response and explain my views. I do not expect to be agreed with, but there are certain logical understandings that should take place. and neither of us should be unreasonable with thinking that isn't logical.

Ok, so I guess you just bend over when you are not treated with Manners or respect those simple things your parents taught you.

When you are disrespected you still have the ability to respond with manners.

Again, you are getting ready for work, its 4:30am and you just put some work stuff in your truck. The police pull up, in front of your house and ask for id, you need to get your id from in the house, they follow you into your bedroom where your wife is sleeping naked.

This might bother you just a little bit. Might you loose some of those manners.

There are many ways to identify someone, one way is identification, another way is to ask questions, like whats your address where you live, your name etc. usually a thief or bad person will stumble when answering those questions.

The cop was wrong to enter Mr. Gates house without permission.

Myself I don't see this as racial, I see it as a power struggle..

I guess there probably is no situation I could discribe where you might loose it with law enforcement and go to jail for contemp of cop.

[DVD Burner]

Hey wait a minute.......when did you arrive DVD-r?

What are you doing using the DVD trademark?


Well so far, ya aint doin too bad.

[ygmir]

B. Why can't they drink American beer?

WTF

ditto

[Bob]

Why did the OP call him "black"? Isn't that racist?

Maybe Burning Man is so "white" because you people march in costume around a burning human effigy?

Every culture should have a festival or two, but preferably not at the expense of others.

[DVD Burner]

B. Why can't they drink American beer?

WTF

ditto

Obama, the cop and the professor did not drink any American beers.

Yall didn't get that?

[MozyBonz]

Hmmm….

How about this?
Henry has a long hard trip frustrated further by not being able to get into his home.
As he is trying to get in …expressing himself in a loud manner, as I would be.

Next-door neighbor hears the noise and looks to see what’s happening she calls the police and reports with the best communication skills she has to give a description. Just like I or you would.

An officer hears the call and rolls on it. Now mentally preparing to confront people he does not know or even if that are armed.
Adrenalin raises do to the fact he knows that officers are killed all the time. Police deal with life and death all the time. Now he is cocked and has a badge.


Now the thing I learned in 50 years is “don’t fuck with the police when they are on a call. Answer all questions and remain calm with them.â€

[DVD Burner]

of Which DVD do you speak?

[MozyBonz]

Any

[DVD Burner]

Well you have already had interesting discussions and debate in a few of my threads over the years.

does that make this discussion moot?

[MozyBonz]

for this one yes. I know you like to debate. nothing wrong with that.

[dvd-r]

the person who called the police was not a neighbor, she was a person who works in the area and takes a daily walk.

http://gawker.com/5325650/the-harvard-l ... conference

Whalen herself, however, was halting, tearful, angry, and mortified. She was aghast at being accused of racism for calling 911 after she saw two men entering Gates' home. "The criticism at first was so painful and difficult that, frankly, I was afraid to say anything. I knew the truth, but I didn't speak up right away because I did not want to add to the controversy." As it turns out, Whalen refused to offer a firm racial description in her 911 call and insisted that it was entirely possible that Gates was breaking into his own home, which was in fact the case. Furthermore, contrary to the police report written by Crowley, Whalen reiterated Murphy's prior statement that she never told Crowley at the scene that the men were African American. Which means that a) Whalen never raised the race of the men with the police, and b) Crowley, either willfully or otherwise, appears to have falsely stated in his report that he had been advised of Gates' race prior to approaching the house.

Here is a transcript of the 911 call.

911 OPERATOR: 9-1-1, what is the exact location of your emergency?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Hi, I'm actually at (inaudible) street in Cambridge, the house number is 7 Ware Street.

911 OPERATOR: OK ma'am, your cell phone cut out, what's the address again?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Sorry, it's 7 Ware Street. That's W-A-R-E Street.

911 OPERATOR: The emergency is at 7 Ware Street, right?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Well no, I'm sorry. 17. Some other woman is talking next to me but it's 17, 1-7 Ware Street.

911 OPERATOR: What's the phone number you're calling me from?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I'm calling you from my cell phone number.

911 OPERATOR: All right, tell me exactly what happened?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Um, I don't know what's happening. I just had an older woman standing here and she had noticed two gentlemen trying to get in a house at that number, 17 Ware Street. And they kind of had to barge in and they broke the screen door and they finally got in. When I had looked, I went further, closer to the house a little bit after the gentlemen were already in the house. I noticed two suitcases. So, I'm not sure if this is two individuals who actually work there, I mean, who live there.

911 OPERATOR: You think they might have been breaking in?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I don't know 'cause I have no idea. I just noticed.

911 OPERATOR: So you're saying you think the possibility might have been there? What do you mean by barged in? You mean they kicked the door in?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: No, they were pushing the door in. Like, umm, the screen part of the front door was kind of like cut.

911 OPERATOR: How did they open the door itself with the lock?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: They, I didn't see a key or anything 'cause I was a little bit away from the door. But I did notice that they pushed their (interrupted).

911 OPERATOR: And what do the suitcases have to do with anything?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I don't know, I'm just saying that's what I saw.

911 OPERATOR: Do you know what apartment they broke into?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: No, they're just they first floor. I don't even think that it's an apartment. It's 17 Ware Street. It's a house, it's a yellow house. Number 17. I don't know if they live there and they just had a hard time with their key but I did notice that they kind of used their shoulder to kind of barge in and they got in. I don't know if they had a key or not because I couldn't see from my angle. But, you know, when I looked a little closely that's what I saw.

911 OPERATOR: (inaudible) guy or Hispanic?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Umm.

911 OPERATOR: Are they still in the house?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: They're still in the house, I believe, yeah.

911 OPERATOR: Were they white, black or Hispanic?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Umm, well there were two larger men, one looked kind of Hispanic but I'm not really sure. And the other one entered and I didn't see what he looked like at all. I just saw it from a distance and this older woman was worried thinking someone's breaking in someone's house, they've been barging in. And she interrupted me and that's when I had noticed otherwise I probably wouldn't have noticed it at all, to be honest with you. So, I was just calling 'cause she was a concerned neighbor, I guess.

911 OPERATOR: OK, are you standing outside?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I'm standing outside, yes.

911 OPERATOR: All right, the police are on the way, you can meet them then they get there. What's your name?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Yeah, my name is (deleted).

911 OPERATOR: All right, we're on the way.

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Ok. All right, I guess I'll wait. Thanks.

following are the actual police reports, notice the 2 black men with backpacks appears to me information was never told to the police.

[DVD Burner]

for this one yes. I know you like to debate. nothing wrong with that.

Fair enough.

[DVD Burner]

of course i did some research. i found a discrepancy. please note that i did not opine as to who is lying, but merely suggested that there was a motive for the woman who called the cops on her neighbor to lie about what ultimately occurred.

you're so fucking predictable, dvd ...

the person who called the police was not a neighbor, she was a person who works in the area and takes a daily walk.

http://gawker.com/5325650/the-harvard-l ... conference

Whalen herself, however, was halting, tearful, angry, and mortified. She was aghast at being accused of racism for calling 911 after she saw two men entering Gates' home. "The criticism at first was so painful and difficult that, frankly, I was afraid to say anything. I knew the truth, but I didn't speak up right away because I did not want to add to the controversy." As it turns out, Whalen refused to offer a firm racial description in her 911 call and insisted that it was entirely possible that Gates was breaking into his own home, which was in fact the case. Furthermore, contrary to the police report written by Crowley, Whalen reiterated Murphy's prior statement that she never told Crowley at the scene that the men were African American. Which means that a) Whalen never raised the race of the men with the police, and b) Crowley, either willfully or otherwise, appears to have falsely stated in his report that he had been advised of Gates' race prior to approaching the house.

Now ummmm, who's predictable? LMFAO!

(i'm liking this dvd-r guy)

[MozyBonz]

the person who called the police was not a neighbor, she was a person who works in the area and takes a daily walk.

Simply Semantics... it has no bearing on my point.

This was the last post here.

[Ugly Dougly]

Almost every state in the United States has a disorderly conduct law that makes it a crime to be drunk in public, to "disturb the peace", or to loiter in certain areas. Many types of unruly conduct may fit the definition of disorderly conduct, as such statutes are often used as "catch-all" crimes. Police may use a disorderly conduct charge to keep the peace when people are behaving in a disruptive manner to themselves or others, but present no serious public danger. Disorderly conduct is typically classified as a misdemeanor.

I am still amazed that you can be arrested for Disorderly Conduct in your own home, when it has been shown that no other crime has been committed.

Professor Gates is what cops in their more lucid moments call a "taxpayer". Was he "acting up"?

Standing up for his rights, maybe? This may be a sign of things to come.

[DVD Burner]

Almost every state in the United States has a disorderly conduct law that makes it a crime to be drunk in public, to "disturb the peace", or to loiter in certain areas. Many types of unruly conduct may fit the definition of disorderly conduct, as such statutes are often used as "catch-all" crimes. Police may use a disorderly conduct charge to keep the peace when people are behaving in a disruptive manner to themselves or others, but present no serious public danger. Disorderly conduct is typically classified as a misdemeanor.

.

Thanks for this. this is information I need by Monday.

so what is supposed to be an officers response to this? A ticket, arrest, detained, detox?

[MozyBonz]

Like I said they hold all the cards. So you must pick when and how you fight for your rights.

If you read the report the officer drew him outside into public in front of a crowd for the purpose of arresting him.
Henry frustrated even more (I would too) wants his pound of flesh.
So feeling violated and frustrated Henry follows him out right into the trap that was just set for him.

Was the cop an ass? Yes
Did he do things that were uncalled for? Yes
Did both parties escalate it beyond reasonable communication? Yes


Frustration clouds clarity of thought …I think they call it blind rage
When we feel violated we want that pound of flesh and we want it now. That’s the human condition.

It’s not that Henry shouldn’t fight for his rights. …Just know how to protect them first.

[DVD Burner]

Mozy, been reading everywhere on disorderly conduct and it seems you are correct. The words tho "disorderly conduct" is a very fine line, which is being debated and has been for awhile it seems.

The reason why I asked is because I believe an officer has several options when disorderly conduct is apparent. Am I correct?
These are an officers options correct?
Where can I find or what key words can I use to Google what an officers response should be?

[joel the ornery]

fuck, i won't be getting that 5 minutes back.

[Apollonaris Zeus]

Yo people have no life!

this thread shouldn't have made it passed page one

[DoriumLux]

Why does anyone feel they have to justify themselves to you?
Prove to us that you're not a racist.

Prove to me that "black" is a race, a concept from the eugenics period.
Then prove to me that Gates is black.

Maybe he was just an arrogant, privileged person that didn't get special treatment?



Quoting one of our local politicians:

"I'm not a racist.
I can't be a racist.
I'm black."

This isn't about Gates incident. I'm commenting on the unwillingness of some people to believe that non-whites often times have a different experience when it comes to dealing with the police. Please reread my posts. Really.

There are some people that need a serious paradigm shift.

May I suggest some good reading...



Also, as a student of physical anthropology. I am well aware of this misnomer of "race." However, there are plenty of people in this country who still believe in race. These people may not be able to define the word eugenics but they practice it's theories. In fact, I also spend a great deal of my time studying racism and effects on our society.

Why should people defend themselves to me? Because I call people on their racist bullshit all the time. I'm not the person that laughs at racial jokes or nods in sympathy at someones racial slur. I don't keep quiet and dismiss it. I question people when they start a description of a person that they have met with the color of their skin. It's become past time of mine. That's why.

[DVD Burner]

while there are those here that dont believe in race, i am one that does not believe in "Minority".

[Ugly Dougly]

so what is supposed to be an officers response to this? A ticket, arrest, detained, detox?

"Sorry to have bothered you, sir. Have nice day."

[DoriumLux]

It does exist. Guess who has the majority of power in this country? Undeniably, white men. Minority is more about power than it is about numbers.