Henry Lewis Gates, Black Harvard Professor arrested

[DVD Burner]

It does exist. Guess who has the majority of power in this country? Undeniably, white men. Minority is more about power than it is about numbers.

Try telling that to the minorities.

[littleflower]

the person who called the police was not a neighbor, she was a person who works in the area and takes a daily walk.

http://gawker.com/5325650/the-harvard-l ... conference

Whalen herself, however, was halting, tearful, angry, and mortified. She was aghast at being accused of racism for calling 911 after she saw two men entering Gates' home. "The criticism at first was so painful and difficult that, frankly, I was afraid to say anything. I knew the truth, but I didn't speak up right away because I did not want to add to the controversy." As it turns out, Whalen refused to offer a firm racial description in her 911 call and insisted that it was entirely possible that Gates was breaking into his own home, which was in fact the case. Furthermore, contrary to the police report written by Crowley, Whalen reiterated Murphy's prior statement that she never told Crowley at the scene that the men were African American. Which means that a) Whalen never raised the race of the men with the police, and b) Crowley, either willfully or otherwise, appears to have falsely stated in his report that he had been advised of Gates' race prior to approaching the house.

this is what i was trying to get at this morning. it seems that whalen also said that crowley did not speak to her, but a conversation is detailed in the police report.

her voice is apparently on tape talking to crowley, however.

the "two men with backpacks" thing is very small potatoes, methinks.

i feel sorry for her, in any case, getting dragged into all of this. i feel sorry for all involved, for that matter. sorry to drag this on to page 4...

[gyre]

So there's a car driving through the bad part of Memphis (you know, Memphis!).
And there's a black guy, a white guy and a mexican guy in the car.

Guess who's driving?

[DoriumLux]

It does exist. Guess who has the majority of power in this country? Undeniably, white men. Minority is more about power than it is about numbers.

Try telling that to the minorities.

What the hell does that even mean? Hell, my Mexican boyfriend who is sitting next to me is also confused. I just tried "telling" it to him. He is wondering if you are denying there is a power imbalance? White men do have more power in this country considering the politicians, the corporate ceo's, police and other authority figures/decision makers in this nation which are disproportionately white.

[Mekishiko]

Tell someone who's family member has been drug behind a vehicle and murdered because of this "fictitious" thing you call Race. Try explaining racism doesn't exist to my 2 friends who are unable to drive their cars to work because when they do, they get pulled over at least once a week. (6 times in one month even)

We know biologically we are all the same, that's obvious, elementary, and trivial. that Argument is not trying to be made here. The argument is that people that look physically different get treated differently than people who look white and male. That is an institutionalized social setup that has developed, and been propagated for hundreds of years. Just because some guy on a message board says it doesn't exist simply means you have a life that enables you to only interact regularly with your own people, which has in turn not exposed you to the black or Hispanic community (or any minority that looks physically different)

-The Mexican

It does exist. Guess who has the majority of power in this country? Undeniably, white men. Minority is more about power than it is about numbers.

Try telling that to the minorities.

Why does anyone feel they have to justify themselves to you?
Prove to us that you're not a racist.

Prove to me that "black" is a race, a concept from the eugenics period.
Then prove to me that Gates is black.

Maybe he was just an arrogant, privileged person that didn't get special treatment?



Quoting one of our local politicians:

"I'm not a racist.
I can't be a racist.
I'm black."

[ygmir]

do you all only recognize "whites" as racist?

or, can it be said that many people, are racist towards people different than themselves?

[DVD Burner]

this is what i was trying to get at this morning. it seems that whalen also said that crowley did not speak to her, but a conversation is detailed in the police report.

her voice is apparently on tape talking to crowley, however.

the "two men with backpacks" thing is very small potatoes, methinks.

i feel sorry for her, in any case, getting dragged into all of this. i feel sorry for all involved, for that matter. sorry to drag this on to page 4...

Interesting. Every time you post something like this you post the same way with nothing to back your claims.

Cant you do any better than this?

We all .....those of us.....do.

Why cant you?

[DVD Burner]

It does exist. Guess who has the majority of power in this country? Undeniably, white men. Minority is more about power than it is about numbers.

Try telling that to the minorities.

What the hell does that even mean? Hell, my Mexican boyfriend who is sitting next to me is also confused. I just tried "telling" it to him. He is wondering if you are denying there is a power imbalance? White men do have more power in this country considering the politicians, the corporate ceo's, police and other authority figures/decision makers in this nation which are disproportionately white.

I seriously dont believe there are more ....how should i put this.....more............

I really dont know how to be delicate about this.

For the "minorities" that believe they are "minorities"...., believe you are a "minority". It's not how Obama became President.. Power is what one perceives. Does not mean one actually has power or out numbers one or the other.

That's all I can say.

[DVD Burner]

Bush did not win out of numbers, he one by perception.

[DoriumLux]

do you all only recognize "whites" as racist?

or, can it be said that many people, are racist towards people different than themselves?

Wow. Obviously. Did you think that you just made a stunning revelation?

However, that isn't the argument that anyone is trying to make.

[ygmir]

do you all only recognize "whites" as racist?

or, can it be said that many people, are racist towards people different than themselves?

Wow. Obviously. Did you think that you just made a stunning revelation?

However, that isn't the argument that anyone is trying to make.

"obviously", what?

nope,
just wonderin'.........

well, then, what is your argument? Or, is it an observation?

[DVD Burner]

who invented racism anyway and what is it's definition?


That's the real question.

[gyre]

Tell someone who's family member has been drug behind a vehicle and murdered because of this "fictitious" thing you call Race. Try explaining racism doesn't exist to my 2 friends who are unable to drive their cars to work because when they do, they get pulled over at least once a week. (6 times in one month even)

We know biologically we are all the same, that's obvious, elementary, and trivial. that Argument is not trying to be made here. The argument is that people that look physically different get treated differently than people who look white and male. That is an institutionalized social setup that has developed, and been propagated for hundreds of years. Just because some guy on a message board says it doesn't exist simply means you have a life that enables you to only interact regularly with your own people, which has in turn not exposed you to the black or Hispanic community (or any minority that looks physically different)

-The Mexican

Who said racism doesn't exist?

"I'm not a racist.
I can't be a racist.
I'm black."

This is about as blatant as racist statements get.


Your argument is simplistic and simply wrong.
Where do I sign up for this favored club, because I'm sure not getting the "Mr. White" treatment?

Assumptions about how whites all get favored treatment is as ignorant and racist as any other nonsense out there.
Eddie Murphy's satire of this fantasy is mostly misread by blacks and other 'enlightened" people.

The non-reality of race is, in fact, important, as race is the basis of black as well as white separatism.
Carrying on the fantasy is a two edged sword for minorities.

And I'll be happy to put the racist treatment I've experienced against most anyone.
My last three recent encounters with the police are resulting in three complaints to IA.
But I'm smart enough to give up at some point and then complain later.

Is there really a lot of dragging behind cars in your area?
And you know it's about race?

I have only heard about the case in texas.
Interesting to bring up.
Widely touted as a racist incident, it turned out to be a gang fight carried from inside prison walls.
I have direct personal information about this case, but it turns out that no news group wants to admit they got it wrong and it was just another vicious gang murder.
None of them were strangers.

Plus, no one cares about all the constant gang violence.
So no story.

Racially motivated crimes are constant here, but it isn't news unless there is a white defendant.
Here they shoot robbery victims after they get the money.

This city also has a minority hiring preference law.
In a black majority city, only black people get preference under it.
No white, korean, mexican, chinese, etc minorities may apply.


I hesitate to address the Gates case directly as there is too much not known if you aren't there, but anyone that didn't call in a possible break-in in such circumstances,is simply a bad neighbor.
If a witness doesn't call in a break-in because the people are hispanic or black, that is the worst kind of patronizing racism.

I called the police on the doctor across the street once for burglary.
He thanked me, though i don't think he was too amused.
Turns out he was stealing the furniture and leaving his wife.

And do any of you guys know who Dubois was?

[gyre]

So there's a car driving through the bad part of Memphis (you know, Memphis!).
And there's a black guy, a white guy and a mexican guy in the car.

Guess who's driving?

Since no one has the nerve to guess, the answer is...

The police.

[DoriumLux]

Try telling that to the minorities.

What the hell does that even mean? Hell, my Mexican boyfriend who is sitting next to me is also confused. I just tried "telling" it to him. He is wondering if you are denying there is a power imbalance? White men do have more power in this country considering the politicians, the corporate ceo's, police and other authority figures/decision makers in this nation which are disproportionately white.

I seriously dont believe there are more ....how should i put this.....more............

I really dont know how to be delicate about this.

For the "minorities" that believe they are "minorities"...., believe you are a "minority". It's not how Obama became President.. Power is what one perceives. Does not mean one actually has power or out numbers one or the other.

That's all I can say.

I knew this argument was coming and it is a weak one at that. I'm surprised that you can't come up with something better. I am supposed to be impressed that out of 44 presidents that one was finally a person of "color?" Really? Nothing can be said for the fact that it has taken 200+ years for this to happen? This is THE winning argument that is going to convince me that there is an equal playing field?

"Minority" is an imagined state? That's laughable. So are you claiming that "minorities" have simply created their own struggles?

Peggy McIntonsh sums it up in her essay.

I know you probably don't have the attention span for the entire essay. However, here is a sampling of it.

Full Essay here for those that care:

http://www.fjaz.com/mcintosh.html

WHITE PRIVILEGE: UNPACKING THE INVISIBLE KNAPSACK


I decided to try to work on myself at least by identifying some of the daily effects of white privilege in my life. I have chosen those conditions which I think in my case attach somewhat more to skin-color privilege than to class, religion, ethnic status, or geographical location, though of course all these other factors are intricately intertwined. As far as i can see, my African American co-workers, friends and acquaintances with whom I come into daily or frequent contact in this particular time, place, and line of work cannot count on most of these conditions.

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
3. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
4. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
5. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
6. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
7. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
8. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
9. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
10. Whether I use checks, credit cards, or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
11. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
12. I can swear, or dress in secondhand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of my race.
13. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
14. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
15. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
16. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
17. I can criticize our government and talk about how much i fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
18. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to "the person in charge," I will be facing a person of my race.
19. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
20. I can easily buy posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and children's magazines featuring people of my race.
21. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance, or feared.
22. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.
23. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
24. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
25. If my day, week, or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it has racial overtones.
26. I can choose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have thme more or less match my skin.

[Box Burner]

Well I haven't read all of this but I would like to point out that racism, as we know it was created and is perpetuated by those who want to be in power and keep themselves in power. Ever heard of divide and conquer?

[ygmir]

wow,
is this all from anger, guilt, or what?...........

would you say you're predjudice against white people, or, are you pointing out the inequities of the human condition?

Do you think this is the first, or will be the last, society controlled/ruled by a particular group? Is it all whites, or, just men, since, they are the ones in control (as you see it)?
Could not your controll/power analogy be used to divide men and women, (regardless of skin color, etc), since, in a larger sense, the world is mostly ruled by men?

It would seem you are pointing out things we all know.........but, in an angry sense.

Living the example seems the best, and, that might include accepting all, even those with whom you disagree..........

and, who's mind here do you think you'll change?...........
I do undersand making statements and having robust discussion, even if just for its own sake.

Just wonderin'.......

[Mekishiko]

I am not trying to change any minds, but when people make bold statements that seemingly have no direction but to perpetuate unsubstantiated lies, it severely hinders what could be a good , healthy conversation/debate.




Think about that picture, it totally negates the argument that Minorities are presented with the same oppurtunities and hardships as a White man is.

Not to say that White men do not have similar struggles that any human does, but those that minorities face are different, misunderstood, and on such a large scale it takes exceptional wherewithal to overcome. It takes someone from a minority group to be "Extraordinary" in order for them to succeed where an "Average" person of the Majority group would be able to reach the same goal.

The fact that "Flesh" colored crayons were still for sale in back stocked Crayola boxes (even though they claimed to stop production in 62) when I was a kid in the 80's communicated to me, and other different colored friends that as a child, our skin was not the color that flesh was supposed to be, not the "Normal" or expected color.

Also: Just because racism has been around, doesn't mean we have to take part in it. But denying that it exists is just as detrimental as participating in it.

I urge you to read the entire article on White privilege, it's not what you want to hear but it's spot on.

http://www.fjaz.com/mcintosh.html

wow,
is this all from anger, guilt, or what?...........

would you say you're predjudice against white people, or, are you pointing out the inequities of the human condition?

Do you think this is the first, or will be the last, society controlled/ruled by a particular group? Is it all whites, or, just men, since, they are the ones in control (as you see it)?
Could not your controll/power analogy be used to divide men and women, (regardless of skin color, etc), since, in a larger sense, the world is mostly ruled by men?

It would seem you are pointing out things we all know.........but, in an angry sense.

Living the example seems the best, and, that might include accepting all, even those with whom you disagree..........

and, who's mind here do you think you'll change?...........
I do undersand making statements and having robust discussion, even if just for its own sake.

Just wonderin'.......

[Box Burner]

Well I haven't read all of this but I would like to point out that racism, as we know it was created and is perpetuated by those who want to be in power and keep themselves in power. Ever heard of divide and conquer?

Forgot to mention that skin colour has little to do with it.

[dvd-r]

Here is a video that states the facts of the case. It shows that Officer
Crowley went beyond his authority in arresting Professor Gates for disorderly conduct.

It also explains why.

[youtube][/youtube]

It also speaks to the false police report "two black men with back packs" which apparently was made up by Officer Crowley.

[DVD Burner]

Note how tiny brain.....sorry I mean little flower has had nothing to say since the facts have been posted.


thanks dvd for posting about the false police report and all.

Also forgot to say thanks for all you armchair quarter-backers.

[DVD Burner]

Prof. Gates Now Receiving Death Threats


ABC 6 News

Story Created: Aug 2, 2009 at 5:12 PM EDT

http://www.abc6.com/news/52310772.html

A glass of beer and a show of flowers may have done the trick in easing relations between Harvard scholar Henry Gates and his arresting police officer Sgt. Crowley, but now new problems are arising from the incident. Today, Gates appearing in at a book signing on Martha's Vineyard told the media he's been receiving both death and bomb threats and has had to change his e-mail address and phone number. Harvard officials are also suggesting he consider moving.

[DVD Burner]

thing that kills me is how come it's always this way and no one ever threatens to bomb the cops house?

[joel the ornery]

thing that kills me is how come it's always this way and no one ever threatens to bomb the cops house?

they have guns, you silly goose.

[littleflower]

Note how tiny brain.....sorry I mean little flower has had nothing to say since the facts have been posted.

ah, dvdburner, you're so cute ... can't even get your facts straight about me. if you re-read what i have posted, you will find that i have never expressed any opinion about the facts of this matter, other than to suggest that what we have are several discrepancies, various motives, and a lot of opinions! and i agreed that racial profiling certainly does exist.

nothing ever looks so black-and-white to me as it does to you.

meanwhile, i stopped posting here because you bore me .... Zzzzzzzz.....

[DVD Burner]

ah, dvdburner, you're so cute ... can't even get your facts straight about me. if you re-read what i have posted, you will find that i have never expressed any opinion about the facts of this matter, other than to suggest that what we have are several discrepancies,

this is what i was trying to get at this morning. it seems that whalen also said that crowley did not speak to her, but a conversation is detailed in the police report.

her voice is apparently on tape talking to crowley, however.

the "two men with backpacks" thing is very small potatoes, methinks.

of course i did some research. i found a discrepancy. please note that i did not opine as to who is lying, but merely suggested that there was a motive for the woman who called the cops on her neighbor to lie about what ultimately occurred.

Need more not be said! I can go on and on about Tiny but she insist she does not live in a state of denial.

You stopped posting cause you get popped each time in the middle of your stupidity just like this time.

Cheers tiny brain.

[gyre]

Cheers tiny brain.

Gratuitous insults like this are really out of line.
Are you responding to some insult I missed?
Anything clever involved?

If not, no excuse for it.

[DVD Burner]

Cheers tiny brain.

Gratuitous insults like this are really out of line.
Are you responding to some insult I missed?
Anything clever involved?

If not, no excuse for it.

I think your best bet is to take a step to the side.

Tiny has been insulting since the day she first posted on eplaya.

It's even further insulting that you would think I did not know what I was doing or talking about after being on eplaya for how many years?

My credibility speaks for itself.

Thanks anyhoo.....

[DVD Burner]

And as far as insults go, no one has been more insulted on this board than I. Especially when/after I have posted something that most dont want to hear that is correct and stands to be correct to this day.

Trust me, I know when insults are warranted.

And besides, if ones skin is not thick enough to handle insults on eplaya maybe one should try 3playa.

Everyone has been insulted on eplaya at one point or another.

Learn to suck it up or take what you dish out.

[littleflower]

nothing interesting, gyre ... he's just trying to get back at me for this exchange (DVDBurner in bold):

littleflower wrote:
DVD ...my only beef with al jazeera has to do with you, actually ...

DVDBurner wrote:

littleflower wrote:

DVD Burner wrote:

Oh and speaking of India, they just announced this morning that they are severing all ties with Israel.



i am still waiting for the link for this one, oh great master of all facts. i just googled india-israel, and not a thing came up about severing ties.



You can check Al Jazeera. they are still broadcasting that. I would send the link but you'd have to sit through the whole broadcast.
If you want to sit through it, I'll gladly send you the link.


you posted bad info from al jazeera .... and weren't even remotely interested when i found it to be false.

i read all over the place. i take everything with a grain of salt. and i am absolutely flabbergasted at the amount of information out there.

the idea that anyone can "know" the "facts" ... and find the world's problems to be always the fault of the U.S. and israel ... well, you are a simple minded ninny, and not worth my time any more than i am worth yours.

but i do enjoy having the opportunity to point this out again...



Ah ha ha ha. Good one.

They did broadcast that but i forgot to get the link.

BTW, india still has not severed ties with israel.

here's the link: http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... &start=240

ho, hum. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....