Well, the blood is about to flow. Israel is cursed with some rabid fundamentalists. Nothing but water incites as much turmoil as land disputes.
". According to the Ha'aretz newspaper the outposts, housing 1,200 people, will all be evacuated and dismantled simultaneously following a decision by the Likud prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.
The Israeli army denied receiving any orders for a "lightning evacuation". Settler spokesmen warned of a furious response if any such move took place."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ju ... evacuation
I imagine that this is going to morph into a "cause celebre" before long. It will definitely engender a lot of hate against Obama.
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can't sit still wrote:Well, the blood is about to flow. Israel is cursed with some rabid fundamentalists. Nothing but water incites as much turmoil as land disputes.
". According to the Ha'aretz newspaper the outposts, housing 1,200 people, will all be evacuated and dismantled simultaneously following a decision by the Likud prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.
The Israeli army denied receiving any orders for a "lightning evacuation". Settler spokesmen warned of a furious response if any such move took place."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ju ... evacuation
I imagine that this is going to morph into a "cause celebre" before long. It will definitely engender a lot of hate against Obama.
yea well Israel is desperate these days.
Mind you I posted on eplaya in the politics thread, ( the original one) Israel would pull this stunt. Lets see if they get away with it.
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Israeli missile-defense system hits snag
Story posted 2009.07.23 at 01:34 PM CDT
http://www.localwireless.com/wap/news/t ... News&ith=0
JERUSALEM (AP) ? A joint U.S.-Israeli missile defense system meant to shield Israel from Iranian attack hit a snag when a series of tests were aborted because of malfunctions, defense officials said Thursday.
The Arrow, a joint project between state-run Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd. and Chicago-based Boeing Co., is part of a multilayered missile-defense system Israel is working on to protect it from all forms of attack, ranging from short-range rocket fire from Lebanon and Gaza to longer-range missiles from Iran.
Israel sees Iran as its biggest threat because of its nuclear program and development of medium-range ballistic missiles. Those fears have been compounded by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's persistent anti-Israeli rhetoric.
Israel's concerns were heightened this week when U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the U.S. would extend a "defense umbrella" over its Gulf Arab allies to prevent Iran from dominating the region "once they have a nuclear weapon."
The comments raised eyebrows in Israel.
"I was not thrilled to hear the American statement from yesterday that they will protect their allies with a nuclear umbrella, as if they have already come to terms with a nuclear Iran," Dan Meridor, Israel's minister of intelligence and atomic energy, told Army Radio. "I think that's a mistake."
Hours after Meridor spoke, Clinton clarified her remarks, saying she was "not suggesting any new policy" on Iran and continued to believe that "Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons is unacceptable."
Israeli officials and analysts played down the glitches in the Arrow tests, saying they were expected in such a complicated project and would not affect the long-term development of the system.
A statement from the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency said the mission was an interception test and also exercised the Arrow system's interoperability with other elements of the U.S. ballistic missile defense system.
The tests of the Arrow II system took place over the past week off the coast of California, most recently on Wednesday, the defense officials said. But communication glitches between the missile and the radar led U.S. defense officials to abort the test before an intercepting missile could be fired, they said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose details of the tests.
The Pentagon said the target missile was dropped from a C-17 aircraft. It said the radar system detected the target, but "not all test conditions to launch the Arrow Interceptor were met, and it was not launched." It said the results were being analyzed.
An operational version of Arrow II is partially deployed, and the U.S. and Israel are in the preliminary stages of developing an upgraded Arrow III.
The homegrown "Iron Dome" system is designed to bring down short-range rockets of the kind Palestinian and Lebanese militants use. Last week, Israeli officials reported a successful live test of the system.
The Arrow project was spurred largely by the failure of the U.S. military's Patriot missiles to intercept Iraqi Scud rockets that struck Israel in the 1991 Gulf War.
Israeli Defense Ministry spokesman Shlomo Dror said tests of the same Arrow system in Israel earlier this year were "very successful." He said the recent tests were carried out in the U.S. because that would allow for greater distances than would be possible in Israel.
He said malfunctions of systems still in their experimental stage were to be expected and said other tests were called off on Friday and Monday.
The defense officials said the improved Arrow II was meant to intercept a dummy Iranian Shihab missile, which is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. But U.S. officials blocked the launch of an intercepting missile because of the communications glitch, the Israelis said.
Iran's Shihab-3 has a range of up to 1,250 miles (2,000 kilometers), putting Israel well within striking distance.
Story posted 2009.07.23 at 01:34 PM CDT
http://www.localwireless.com/wap/news/t ... News&ith=0
JERUSALEM (AP) ? A joint U.S.-Israeli missile defense system meant to shield Israel from Iranian attack hit a snag when a series of tests were aborted because of malfunctions, defense officials said Thursday.
The Arrow, a joint project between state-run Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd. and Chicago-based Boeing Co., is part of a multilayered missile-defense system Israel is working on to protect it from all forms of attack, ranging from short-range rocket fire from Lebanon and Gaza to longer-range missiles from Iran.
Israel sees Iran as its biggest threat because of its nuclear program and development of medium-range ballistic missiles. Those fears have been compounded by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's persistent anti-Israeli rhetoric.
Israel's concerns were heightened this week when U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the U.S. would extend a "defense umbrella" over its Gulf Arab allies to prevent Iran from dominating the region "once they have a nuclear weapon."
The comments raised eyebrows in Israel.
"I was not thrilled to hear the American statement from yesterday that they will protect their allies with a nuclear umbrella, as if they have already come to terms with a nuclear Iran," Dan Meridor, Israel's minister of intelligence and atomic energy, told Army Radio. "I think that's a mistake."
Hours after Meridor spoke, Clinton clarified her remarks, saying she was "not suggesting any new policy" on Iran and continued to believe that "Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons is unacceptable."
Israeli officials and analysts played down the glitches in the Arrow tests, saying they were expected in such a complicated project and would not affect the long-term development of the system.
A statement from the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency said the mission was an interception test and also exercised the Arrow system's interoperability with other elements of the U.S. ballistic missile defense system.
The tests of the Arrow II system took place over the past week off the coast of California, most recently on Wednesday, the defense officials said. But communication glitches between the missile and the radar led U.S. defense officials to abort the test before an intercepting missile could be fired, they said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose details of the tests.
The Pentagon said the target missile was dropped from a C-17 aircraft. It said the radar system detected the target, but "not all test conditions to launch the Arrow Interceptor were met, and it was not launched." It said the results were being analyzed.
An operational version of Arrow II is partially deployed, and the U.S. and Israel are in the preliminary stages of developing an upgraded Arrow III.
The homegrown "Iron Dome" system is designed to bring down short-range rockets of the kind Palestinian and Lebanese militants use. Last week, Israeli officials reported a successful live test of the system.
The Arrow project was spurred largely by the failure of the U.S. military's Patriot missiles to intercept Iraqi Scud rockets that struck Israel in the 1991 Gulf War.
Israeli Defense Ministry spokesman Shlomo Dror said tests of the same Arrow system in Israel earlier this year were "very successful." He said the recent tests were carried out in the U.S. because that would allow for greater distances than would be possible in Israel.
He said malfunctions of systems still in their experimental stage were to be expected and said other tests were called off on Friday and Monday.
The defense officials said the improved Arrow II was meant to intercept a dummy Iranian Shihab missile, which is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. But U.S. officials blocked the launch of an intercepting missile because of the communications glitch, the Israelis said.
Iran's Shihab-3 has a range of up to 1,250 miles (2,000 kilometers), putting Israel well within striking distance.
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Israel now knows the USA is not their big brother anymore. we learn the lessons of Iraq and are not buying into Iran as a major threat to US. North Korea is our threat. We will not fight their wars.
The ads about a Nuclear Iran on TV haven't been on for quite a while since people were wondering who was behind them. We know who!
On another note Hamas now realizes that shooting rockets into Israel didn't work and got their asses kick losing credibility as to if they can lead:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/world ... ?ref=world
Now maybe they will morph into a peaceful movement since military attacks only work to Israel advantage.
The ads about a Nuclear Iran on TV haven't been on for quite a while since people were wondering who was behind them. We know who!
On another note Hamas now realizes that shooting rockets into Israel didn't work and got their asses kick losing credibility as to if they can lead:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/world ... ?ref=world
Now maybe they will morph into a peaceful movement since military attacks only work to Israel advantage.
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Rogue kidney brokers resell organs from poorest nations on black market
BY Brian Kates and William Sherman
Daily News Staff Writers
Sunday, July 26th 2009, 4:00 AM
Rabbi Levy Rosenbaum told the undercover agent he has been an organ broker for 10 years.
The international black market for kidneys — preying on the desperate and run by a shadowy network of greedy organ brokers — is flourishing, a Daily News probe found.
The arrest of a Brooklyn man Thursday on organ trafficking charges sheds a new spotlight on an underground business where wretchedly poor foreigners — particularly in India — are paid $2,000 to $10,000 for kidneys.
Those kidneys are ultimately sold for as much as $180,000 to transplant recipients who otherwise could die.
More than 80,000 Americans were waiting for kidney transplants as of last week, the United Network for Organ Sharing said.
The wait for a suitable legitimate donor is as long as three years, which drives many to the underground market, experts said.
Lungs for transplant are also available on the black market, but the vast majority of the organs in play are kidneys, they said.
The majority of the black market kidneys are transplanted in hospitals and clinics overseas, but some have been done in New York, apparently without the knowledge of hospital officials, medical ethicists and the leading expert in the black market say.
“In India, China, Africa and Latin America the poor are selling their kidneys to wealthy buyers through an underground set of networks,â€
BY Brian Kates and William Sherman
Daily News Staff Writers
Sunday, July 26th 2009, 4:00 AM
Rabbi Levy Rosenbaum told the undercover agent he has been an organ broker for 10 years.
The international black market for kidneys — preying on the desperate and run by a shadowy network of greedy organ brokers — is flourishing, a Daily News probe found.
The arrest of a Brooklyn man Thursday on organ trafficking charges sheds a new spotlight on an underground business where wretchedly poor foreigners — particularly in India — are paid $2,000 to $10,000 for kidneys.
Those kidneys are ultimately sold for as much as $180,000 to transplant recipients who otherwise could die.
More than 80,000 Americans were waiting for kidney transplants as of last week, the United Network for Organ Sharing said.
The wait for a suitable legitimate donor is as long as three years, which drives many to the underground market, experts said.
Lungs for transplant are also available on the black market, but the vast majority of the organs in play are kidneys, they said.
The majority of the black market kidneys are transplanted in hospitals and clinics overseas, but some have been done in New York, apparently without the knowledge of hospital officials, medical ethicists and the leading expert in the black market say.
“In India, China, Africa and Latin America the poor are selling their kidneys to wealthy buyers through an underground set of networks,â€
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Israel condemned over evictions
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8180743.stm
The US has led international condemnation of Israel after it evicted nine Palestinian families living in two houses in occupied East Jerusalem.
Washington said the action was not in keeping with Israel's obligations under the so-called "road map" to resolve the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
Jewish settlers moved into the houses almost immediately.
Israel occupied East Jerusalem in 1967 and later annexed it, a move not recognised by the world community.
The removal of the 53 people was also condemned by the United Nations, the Palestinians and the UK government.
Senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat said he was outraged at the action.
"Israel is once again showing its utter failure to respect international law," he said.
"New settlers from abroad are accommodating themselves and their belongings in the Palestinian houses and 19 newly homeless children will have nowhere to sleep."
'Deplorable'
The operation to evict the Palestinians from the Sheikh Jarrah district of the city was carried out before dawn on Sunday by police clad in black riot gear.
It followed a ruling by Israel's Supreme Court that Jewish families owned the land. Israel wants to build a block of 20 apartments in the area.
"I deplore today's totally unacceptable actions by Israel," the UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, Robert H Serry said.
"These actions are contrary to the provisions of the Geneva Conventions related to occupied territory.
"These actions heighten tensions and undermine international efforts to create conditions for fruitful negotiations to achieve peace."
The UK government said the Israeli action was "incompatible with the Israeli professed desire for peace".
"We urge Israel not to allow the extremists to set the agenda," the British Consulate in East Jerusalem said.
Sovereignty 'unquestionable'
Israel considers a united Jerusalem to be the capital of the state of Israel.
"Our sovereignty over it is unquestionable," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said last month.
"We cannot accept the idea that Jews will not have the right to live and buy [homes] anywhere in Jerusalem."
The BBC's Tim Franks in Jerusalem says the houses are in what is probably the most contested city on earth and the diplomatic ripples from the evictions will spread.
There are an estimated 250,000 Palestinians living in East Jerusalem and 200,000 Jews.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8180743.stm
The US has led international condemnation of Israel after it evicted nine Palestinian families living in two houses in occupied East Jerusalem.
Washington said the action was not in keeping with Israel's obligations under the so-called "road map" to resolve the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
Jewish settlers moved into the houses almost immediately.
Israel occupied East Jerusalem in 1967 and later annexed it, a move not recognised by the world community.
The removal of the 53 people was also condemned by the United Nations, the Palestinians and the UK government.
Senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat said he was outraged at the action.
"Israel is once again showing its utter failure to respect international law," he said.
"New settlers from abroad are accommodating themselves and their belongings in the Palestinian houses and 19 newly homeless children will have nowhere to sleep."
'Deplorable'
The operation to evict the Palestinians from the Sheikh Jarrah district of the city was carried out before dawn on Sunday by police clad in black riot gear.
It followed a ruling by Israel's Supreme Court that Jewish families owned the land. Israel wants to build a block of 20 apartments in the area.
"I deplore today's totally unacceptable actions by Israel," the UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, Robert H Serry said.
"These actions are contrary to the provisions of the Geneva Conventions related to occupied territory.
"These actions heighten tensions and undermine international efforts to create conditions for fruitful negotiations to achieve peace."
The UK government said the Israeli action was "incompatible with the Israeli professed desire for peace".
"We urge Israel not to allow the extremists to set the agenda," the British Consulate in East Jerusalem said.
Sovereignty 'unquestionable'
Israel considers a united Jerusalem to be the capital of the state of Israel.
"Our sovereignty over it is unquestionable," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said last month.
"We cannot accept the idea that Jews will not have the right to live and buy [homes] anywhere in Jerusalem."
The BBC's Tim Franks in Jerusalem says the houses are in what is probably the most contested city on earth and the diplomatic ripples from the evictions will spread.
There are an estimated 250,000 Palestinians living in East Jerusalem and 200,000 Jews.
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It is sad that Israel a country that claims to be a nation of laws complains when other nations do not follow international laws just goes had does what ever it wishes to do. I guess if it's in th Torah then any and all actions by them are justified, even the killing of innocent gay people.
They are on stolen lands and the UN should file economic sanctions against just like Iran or any other arab country.
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They are on stolen lands and the UN should file economic sanctions against just like Iran or any other arab country.
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yeah, whatever.
AIIZ, you are pathetic. Not because i disagree with some of your points and ideas, but because you are an intolerant buffoon.
i hope someday you get that nice deep ass-fucking you dream about, but never score because you're just such an ugly soul.
plonk me....i know you wont...you love me.....don't you bitch....i can tell.
you want to get called out, well i'm just the asshole to do it...
wise up pricko, before it's too late, and you're that guy that no one wants to listen to, or maybe that is already the case, N'est-ce pas?
AIIZ, you are pathetic. Not because i disagree with some of your points and ideas, but because you are an intolerant buffoon.
i hope someday you get that nice deep ass-fucking you dream about, but never score because you're just such an ugly soul.
plonk me....i know you wont...you love me.....don't you bitch....i can tell.
you want to get called out, well i'm just the asshole to do it...
wise up pricko, before it's too late, and you're that guy that no one wants to listen to, or maybe that is already the case, N'est-ce pas?
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Israel is really starting to piss off the world. Both UK and US are condemning them. The extermination of Palestinians is one thing but, the israelis are getting all kinds of bad press for taking houses in Jerusalem. It seems like a pretty stupid cause to push for so much grief. Reportedly, israel is considered more belligerent than even North Korea;
http://www.thejc.com/articles/israel-fo ... eace-index
The israelis were stupid to elect Netanyahu. They are stupid to let the settlers run amuck. Now, they're stupidly pissing off their co-religionists. http://www.thejc.com/articles/jews-plan-israels-boycott Why so many stupid actions from a smart people?
http://www.thejc.com/articles/israel-fo ... eace-index
The israelis were stupid to elect Netanyahu. They are stupid to let the settlers run amuck. Now, they're stupidly pissing off their co-religionists. http://www.thejc.com/articles/jews-plan-israels-boycott Why so many stupid actions from a smart people?
I don't post things because I believe that they are the absolute truth. I post them because I believe that they should be considered.
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i agree on many of the issues, i am not a fan of the israeli govt and military, much to the scorn and silent anger of my relatives, but it is the shrill hatred, and the off key point of view that grates on my ear, the place that aiiz comes from is hatred and loathing, not compassion or tolerance.
that is my issue with his arguments....his agenda, or his biases and hatreds are ingrained and that is all too obvious.
that is my issue with his arguments....his agenda, or his biases and hatreds are ingrained and that is all too obvious.
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It's all about the money! I wonder how many of the organs are actually contractual from a willing donor. I wouldn't put it past a rabbis foreskin that most of these organs are stolen!DVD Burner wrote:Rogue kidney brokers resell organs from poorest nations on black market
BY Brian Kates and William Sherman
Daily News Staff Writers
Sunday, July 26th 2009, 4:00 AM
Rabbi Levy Rosenbaum told the undercover agent he has been an organ broker for 10 years.
The international black market for kidneys — preying on the desperate and run by a shadowy network of greedy organ brokers — is flourishing, a Daily News probe found.
The arrest of a Brooklyn man Thursday on organ trafficking charges sheds a new spotlight on an underground business where wretchedly poor foreigners — particularly in India — are paid $2,000 to $10,000 for kidneys.
Yes, economic sanctions are the first step in reeling in Israel. Hit them with the only that's important thing to them- Money!
And DVD, can you call off your sock, Simon. He's hasn't attacked you or can't sit still and I don't say have the shit you two do so he's got to one of yours.
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Telling Israel No: Obama's Bold Move
By CELESTINE BOHLEN
Published: July 28, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/world ... ael&st=cse
PARIS — President Barack Obama, who vowed to revive the Arab-Israeli peace process at the start of his term, has begun with a direct and public challenge to Israel’s latest plan to build new settlements in East Jerusalem.
It’s a risky move that has already provoked a sharp rebuke from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. But it is hard to see how the peace process could move forward if Washington had remained silent.
Mr. Obama picked a small but symbolic issue, a 20-unit housing project on the site of the former Shepherd Hotel, sparking a full-blown diplomatic standoff. Just days after the United States objected to the project, the European Union, Russia and France did the same.
This gambit puts the settlement issue at the center of the table, even before the next round of Arab-Israeli negotiations starts — if it ever does. The downside is that it might only serve to harden Israel’s stance, without softening Arab positions.
The stalemate in the Middle East needs a new approach. By opening the most sensitive dossier first, Mr. Obama has delivered to Israel its first dose of tough love since the administration of President George H.W. Bush.
There can be no so-called two-state solution that doesn’t take into account the famous “facts on the ground,â€
By CELESTINE BOHLEN
Published: July 28, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/world ... ael&st=cse
PARIS — President Barack Obama, who vowed to revive the Arab-Israeli peace process at the start of his term, has begun with a direct and public challenge to Israel’s latest plan to build new settlements in East Jerusalem.
It’s a risky move that has already provoked a sharp rebuke from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. But it is hard to see how the peace process could move forward if Washington had remained silent.
Mr. Obama picked a small but symbolic issue, a 20-unit housing project on the site of the former Shepherd Hotel, sparking a full-blown diplomatic standoff. Just days after the United States objected to the project, the European Union, Russia and France did the same.
This gambit puts the settlement issue at the center of the table, even before the next round of Arab-Israeli negotiations starts — if it ever does. The downside is that it might only serve to harden Israel’s stance, without softening Arab positions.
The stalemate in the Middle East needs a new approach. By opening the most sensitive dossier first, Mr. Obama has delivered to Israel its first dose of tough love since the administration of President George H.W. Bush.
There can be no so-called two-state solution that doesn’t take into account the famous “facts on the ground,â€
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I'm not sure this is anything landing on a good note but.......
Leonard Cohen's Israel concert sells out in a day
By STEVE WEIZMAN (AP) – 9 hours ago
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD99QTSS81
JERUSALEM — Tickets for a Leonard Cohen concert to benefit Palestinian and Israeli peace groups sold out in less than a day, an Israeli ticket agent said Sunday.
The 47,000 tickets for the Sept. 24 concert at a stadium near Tel Aviv went on sale at 8:30 Saturday evening, and by Sunday afternoon they were all gone, ticket agent Avi Messing told Israel's Channel 2 TV.
"All of Israel is coming to watch Leonard Cohen. It's really great," Messing said.
Prices ranged from $90 to $315.
Cohen entertained Israeli troops during the 1973 Mideast war and last performed in Israel in 1975.
Adding Israel to his current world tour brought complaints from Palestinian sympathizers, and British fans posted a plea on the social networking site Facebook asking him to cancel the date in response to Israel's military campaign in the Gaza Strip in December and January.
Cohen's manager, Robert Kory, said the singer instead decided to make the concert a fundraiser for Palestinian and Israeli groups working for reconciliation.
Proceeds will be channeled into a special charitable fund in partnership with London-based human rights organization Amnesty International, Kory said.
Initial beneficiaries include a peace group made up of the parents of Israelis and Palestinians killed in the conflict called the Parents Circle-Family Forum.
Others are a children's health program run by the Peres Center for Peace in Tel Aviv, an organization that brings together Israeli army veterans and former Palestinian fighters and a center for special needs children in the West Bank city of Ramallah.
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Leonard Cohen's Israel concert sells out in a day
By STEVE WEIZMAN (AP) – 9 hours ago
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD99QTSS81
JERUSALEM — Tickets for a Leonard Cohen concert to benefit Palestinian and Israeli peace groups sold out in less than a day, an Israeli ticket agent said Sunday.
The 47,000 tickets for the Sept. 24 concert at a stadium near Tel Aviv went on sale at 8:30 Saturday evening, and by Sunday afternoon they were all gone, ticket agent Avi Messing told Israel's Channel 2 TV.
"All of Israel is coming to watch Leonard Cohen. It's really great," Messing said.
Prices ranged from $90 to $315.
Cohen entertained Israeli troops during the 1973 Mideast war and last performed in Israel in 1975.
Adding Israel to his current world tour brought complaints from Palestinian sympathizers, and British fans posted a plea on the social networking site Facebook asking him to cancel the date in response to Israel's military campaign in the Gaza Strip in December and January.
Cohen's manager, Robert Kory, said the singer instead decided to make the concert a fundraiser for Palestinian and Israeli groups working for reconciliation.
Proceeds will be channeled into a special charitable fund in partnership with London-based human rights organization Amnesty International, Kory said.
Initial beneficiaries include a peace group made up of the parents of Israelis and Palestinians killed in the conflict called the Parents Circle-Family Forum.
Others are a children's health program run by the Peres Center for Peace in Tel Aviv, an organization that brings together Israeli army veterans and former Palestinian fighters and a center for special needs children in the West Bank city of Ramallah.
Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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You' probably read about the expulsion of arabs in Jerusalem. It appears that maybe the jews want to rebuild the temple. NOT such a good idea.
"A recent edition of the Egyptian weekly Al Ahram reported that "three huge granite stones rest comfortably on the top of Midbar Sinai Street....in Jerusalem's northernmost district. Cut to specification, the imposing stones represent one of several preparations by the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement to erect a Third Temple on the Haram Al-Sharaf Temple Mount.""
"redesigning East Jerusalem to focus on its limited Jewish past has power to offend more than a third of humanity, counting only the Christian and Muslim peoples."
"Over a billion Muslims hold the holy places on the Temple Mount as the third most holy of their roster of sacred precincts. If Israeli authorities actually try to break the Waqf control of the Mount or to take it away, and especially if any harm is done to the Dome of the Rock or Al Aqsa Mosque, street war will break out. "
"keep taking Palestine away from its historic owners, and continue to play the victim of Palestinian "terrorism". "
http://www.rense.com/general87/jeru.htm
"A recent edition of the Egyptian weekly Al Ahram reported that "three huge granite stones rest comfortably on the top of Midbar Sinai Street....in Jerusalem's northernmost district. Cut to specification, the imposing stones represent one of several preparations by the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement to erect a Third Temple on the Haram Al-Sharaf Temple Mount.""
"redesigning East Jerusalem to focus on its limited Jewish past has power to offend more than a third of humanity, counting only the Christian and Muslim peoples."
"Over a billion Muslims hold the holy places on the Temple Mount as the third most holy of their roster of sacred precincts. If Israeli authorities actually try to break the Waqf control of the Mount or to take it away, and especially if any harm is done to the Dome of the Rock or Al Aqsa Mosque, street war will break out. "
"keep taking Palestine away from its historic owners, and continue to play the victim of Palestinian "terrorism". "
http://www.rense.com/general87/jeru.htm
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Here's a very interesting history. I can't make any claims for veracity.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm
"The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay the Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting the United States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that you hear so much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. And I don't think I could make it more emphatic than that."
" There was a conspiracy between England, France, and Russia that: "We must slap down Germany", because there isn't one historian in the world that can find a valid reason why those three countries decided to wipe Germany off the map politically. Now, what happened after that?"
" Now, that is one of the great lies. . . that is the foundation of all the misery that has befallen the world. Because after two wars fought in Europe -- World War I and World War II -- if it wasn't possible for them to live in peace and harmony with the people in Europe, like their brethren are living in the United States, what were the two wars fought for? Did they have to -- like you flush the toilet -- because they couldn't get along"
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm
"The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay the Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting the United States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that you hear so much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. And I don't think I could make it more emphatic than that."
" There was a conspiracy between England, France, and Russia that: "We must slap down Germany", because there isn't one historian in the world that can find a valid reason why those three countries decided to wipe Germany off the map politically. Now, what happened after that?"
" Now, that is one of the great lies. . . that is the foundation of all the misery that has befallen the world. Because after two wars fought in Europe -- World War I and World War II -- if it wasn't possible for them to live in peace and harmony with the people in Europe, like their brethren are living in the United States, what were the two wars fought for? Did they have to -- like you flush the toilet -- because they couldn't get along"
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This article talks about a sea-change in the way that some powers in the US regard israel.
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/ ... mment-5388
"In sum, it can thus be assumed that the powers that be in the US–or at least certain elements within those powers–are officially at war with the Jewish state and this story–along with others featuring Bernie Madoff and more than likely, many more to come–are the opening salvos in that war."
It's an interesting article concerning the relationship between law-enforcement officials and criminals of jewish faith. I'm sure that LE is sick and tired of the endless parade of israeli spies uncovered in DC. I'm sure that LE have their own opinion about 9/11 and the dual-citizen israelis in GOV and the bank meltdown.
The author makes a comparison between israel and the woman in Fatal Attraction;
"Worse yet, as a mistress the Jewish state has become demanding, irrational and dangerous, much like the character of Alex Forrest in the movie Fatal Attraction."
"However, as bad as it was that Israel was directly involved in 9/11, the anthrax attacks, the debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan, the giant spy ring operating on American soil, all the others pale in comparison to what took place this past 9/11/2008, the straw that broke the camel’s back, when she attempted the economic meltdown of the US as described by Rep. Paul Kanjorski during a C-Span interview. For American interests “in the know,â€
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/ ... mment-5388
"In sum, it can thus be assumed that the powers that be in the US–or at least certain elements within those powers–are officially at war with the Jewish state and this story–along with others featuring Bernie Madoff and more than likely, many more to come–are the opening salvos in that war."
It's an interesting article concerning the relationship between law-enforcement officials and criminals of jewish faith. I'm sure that LE is sick and tired of the endless parade of israeli spies uncovered in DC. I'm sure that LE have their own opinion about 9/11 and the dual-citizen israelis in GOV and the bank meltdown.
The author makes a comparison between israel and the woman in Fatal Attraction;
"Worse yet, as a mistress the Jewish state has become demanding, irrational and dangerous, much like the character of Alex Forrest in the movie Fatal Attraction."
"However, as bad as it was that Israel was directly involved in 9/11, the anthrax attacks, the debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan, the giant spy ring operating on American soil, all the others pale in comparison to what took place this past 9/11/2008, the straw that broke the camel’s back, when she attempted the economic meltdown of the US as described by Rep. Paul Kanjorski during a C-Span interview. For American interests “in the know,â€
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[quote="can't sit still"]This article talks about a sea-change in the way that some powers in the US regard israel.
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/ ... mment-5388
"In sum, it can thus be assumed that the powers that be in the US–or at least certain elements within those powers–are officially at war with the Jewish state and this story–along with others featuring Bernie Madoff and more than likely, many more to come–are the opening salvos in that war."
It's an interesting article concerning the relationship between law-enforcement officials and criminals of jewish faith. I'm sure that LE is sick and tired of the endless parade of israeli spies uncovered in DC. I'm sure that LE have their own opinion about 9/11 and the dual-citizen israelis in GOV and the bank meltdown.
The author makes a comparison between israel and the woman in Fatal Attraction;
"Worse yet, as a mistress the Jewish state has become demanding, irrational and dangerous, much like the character of Alex Forrest in the movie Fatal Attraction."
"However, as bad as it was that Israel was directly involved in 9/11, the anthrax attacks, the debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan, the giant spy ring operating on American soil, all the others pale in comparison to what took place this past 9/11/2008, the straw that broke the camel’s back, when she attempted the economic meltdown of the US as described by Rep. Paul Kanjorski during a C-Span interview. For American interests “in the know,â€
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/ ... mment-5388
"In sum, it can thus be assumed that the powers that be in the US–or at least certain elements within those powers–are officially at war with the Jewish state and this story–along with others featuring Bernie Madoff and more than likely, many more to come–are the opening salvos in that war."
It's an interesting article concerning the relationship between law-enforcement officials and criminals of jewish faith. I'm sure that LE is sick and tired of the endless parade of israeli spies uncovered in DC. I'm sure that LE have their own opinion about 9/11 and the dual-citizen israelis in GOV and the bank meltdown.
The author makes a comparison between israel and the woman in Fatal Attraction;
"Worse yet, as a mistress the Jewish state has become demanding, irrational and dangerous, much like the character of Alex Forrest in the movie Fatal Attraction."
"However, as bad as it was that Israel was directly involved in 9/11, the anthrax attacks, the debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan, the giant spy ring operating on American soil, all the others pale in comparison to what took place this past 9/11/2008, the straw that broke the camel’s back, when she attempted the economic meltdown of the US as described by Rep. Paul Kanjorski during a C-Span interview. For American interests “in the know,â€
The Biggest Distraction... Funk On the Playa, Live uncut Funk, TheBomb, Comin at you from the Transmorphogon, 500 Kilowatts of Pure Funk Power. You Will be groovin'. So when yer sick of the Boomp Boomp of the Burn, come down to the T-Dome and Learn....
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Oh, you find it pathetic. Why don't you go over to Palestine and tell the people to heal themselves. Tell them to ignore the phosphorous burns, the depleted uranium, the destroyed agriculture, the destroyed city. Tell them to rejoice at being alive and ignore the blockade of food and essentials. While you're at it, tell them that white is black and black is white. Pathetic doesn't go far enough.
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More tired drivel;
Top Sweden newspaper says IDF kills Palestinians for their organs
By Morten Berthelsen
A leading Swedish newspaper reported this week that Israeli soldiers are abducting Palestinians in order to steal their organs, a claim that prompted furious condemnation and accusations of anti-Semitic blood libel from a rival publication.
"They plunder the organs of our sons," read the headline in Sweden's largest daily newspaper, the left-leaning Aftonbladet, which devoted a double spread in its cultural section to the article.
(Click here for the original article in Swedish)
http://www.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article5652583.ab
The report quotes Palestinian claims that young men from the West Bank and Gaza Strip had been seized by the Israel Defense Forces, and their bodies returned to the families with missing organs.
Top Sweden newspaper says IDF kills Palestinians for their organs
By Morten Berthelsen
A leading Swedish newspaper reported this week that Israeli soldiers are abducting Palestinians in order to steal their organs, a claim that prompted furious condemnation and accusations of anti-Semitic blood libel from a rival publication.
"They plunder the organs of our sons," read the headline in Sweden's largest daily newspaper, the left-leaning Aftonbladet, which devoted a double spread in its cultural section to the article.
(Click here for the original article in Swedish)
http://www.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article5652583.ab
The report quotes Palestinian claims that young men from the West Bank and Gaza Strip had been seized by the Israel Defense Forces, and their bodies returned to the families with missing organs.
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Obviously I have no way to personally verify this story. I couldn't even personally verify the story of the Rabbi in Jersey. We just have to wait and see how it develops. I have no need to believe or disbelieve. If the israeli GOV is willing to kill Palestinians, it wouldn't be a great leap for them to harvest organs. We do it to dead people here.
You're right, I'm not going to the burn this year.... combination of reasons.
You're right, I'm not going to the burn this year.... combination of reasons.
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That's NOT part of the human equation.The Chinese wrote:If we put as much energy into HEALING the world instead of BLAMING people for it's ills, our world would be a heck of a lot better place to be.
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When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.
Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.
Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me
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"“I, a 95 year old Sabra (native born Israeli Jew), who has plowed its fields, planted trees, built a house and fathered sons, grandsons and great-grandsons, and also shed his blood in the battle for the founding of the State of Israel,
“Declare herewith that I renounce my belief in the Zionism which has failed, that I shall not be loyal to the Jewish fascist state and its mad visions, that I shall not sing anymore its nationalist anthem, that I shall stand at attention only on the days of mourning for those fallen on both sides in the wars, and that I look with a broken heart at an Israel that is committing suicide and at the three generations of offspring that I have bred and raised in it."
http://www.counterpunch.org/cobban08172009.html
A VERY good narrative.
It's a sad day when idealism must be thrown out in the face of murderous distortions of the original ideal.
Dan
“Declare herewith that I renounce my belief in the Zionism which has failed, that I shall not be loyal to the Jewish fascist state and its mad visions, that I shall not sing anymore its nationalist anthem, that I shall stand at attention only on the days of mourning for those fallen on both sides in the wars, and that I look with a broken heart at an Israel that is committing suicide and at the three generations of offspring that I have bred and raised in it."
http://www.counterpunch.org/cobban08172009.html
A VERY good narrative.
It's a sad day when idealism must be thrown out in the face of murderous distortions of the original ideal.
Dan
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goathead, I agree that Burning man is an ideal. As far as being unable to go home, that's a different story. Let your mind roam. Imagine that you stayed on the playa. Because of the setting, it would get ugly and smelly pretty fast. So, imagine Burning Man in a different setting. Imagine 40,000 people looking for something to eat. It just wouldn't work out on a big scale. Burning man only works as a temporary ideal. It just makes the default world that much more aggravating.
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