CRIME! GUNS! second amendment?

Share your views on the policies, philosophies, and spirit of Burning Man.
User avatar
Porschebug
Posts: 25
Joined: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:29 pm
Location: gainesville florida
Contact:

Post by Porschebug » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:39 pm

GYRE

now that you mention those two together in the form of a question here is your answer:

http://www.colorofcrime.com/

you state the simple rights we are SUPPOSED to have, i just don't see WHY NOT ALWAYS? like being in a bar, at a sporting event, or BM would somehow negate my ability to FULLY defend myself, just because things are MORE likely to happen? it seems like just the opposite of what should be...

my initial thought, as to where i'm the hell going with all this, was that nevada is pretty groovy hip and far out when it comes to cool gun slinging types..., better than florida as to open carry, because you actually have to!, as opposed to florida where you have to carry concealed only, in nevada you don't need to get a permit IF YOU OPEN CARRY, but to be concealed you need a permit... so i thought nevada might be even more hip than florida? having ordered my concealed weapon permit papers twice, and still slacking, i know all too well the several retarded exceptions to when you can and can't fully protect yourself... so i'm not too surprised at the BM event, except to say i remember you could bring your guns, as ABSOLUTE GENIUS has shown us about BM history in the form of a utube reminder...

i could have brought 5 guns, and done an inventory of my brothers that i haven't shot yet and brought more... that would have been fun, i'd love to do a drive by shooting of a car... shoot it to death until it stops...

as it is now, i just shoot when i can get away with it in our NO SHOOTING city, july 4th, jan. 1st and during our recent GATOR DAY WE ARE NUMBER ONE celebration...
“The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.â€

User avatar
Isotopia
Posts: 2848
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:26 am

Post by Isotopia » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:55 pm

Religion

Politics

Sex

and guns.


You are NOT going to win your position or sway the person on the other side of the fence to the merits of your argument.

Period.

I'm surprised at how many here have once again taken the hook and stepped on one of these 'third rails' listed above.

All of you FAIL!

Image

User avatar
gyre
Posts: 15457
Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:01 pm
Location: ΦάÏ

Post by gyre » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:07 pm

Isotopia wrote:Religion

Politics

Sex

and guns.
I'm in favor of two of those.


Actually it was the anti-personal defense crowd's arguments that convinced me that I was wrong about weapons restrictions.
Same facts, I had a different conclusion.


What was the minimum weaponry needed for civil defense?
What weapons did the Afghans need to deal with invasion?
That is where the line should be drawn.

User avatar
¡Niers!
Posts: 213
Joined: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:00 pm
Location: Eugene, Oregon

Post by ¡Niers! » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:32 pm

Ghandi comes to mind for some reason.
Think about it.
Then think about it again.


Porschebug---
What's up with your avatar anyway? Is that some sort of advocation for dog fights? That's sick either way. Perhaps it's a show of your true character?

I don't know, this is all getting very old. I think this thread has been answered anyway..........NEXT!

User avatar
gyre
Posts: 15457
Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:01 pm
Location: ΦάÏ

Post by gyre » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:27 am

¡Niers! wrote:Ghandi comes to mind for some reason.
Think about it.
Then think about it again.
His anti-gun control views?

User avatar
wedeliver
Posts: 1871
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:10 am
Burning Since: 1998
Location: Tionesta, CA
Contact:

Post by wedeliver » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:06 am

Anyone want to play a game

whats a toolmaker?

(god is my source)

oh forget it, I don't wanna play
I'm a topless shirtcocking yahoo hippie

www.eaglesnestrvpark.com

User avatar
Porschebug
Posts: 25
Joined: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:29 pm
Location: gainesville florida
Contact:

GOT PITS? GOT PEACE? GOT BRITS? GOT A PIECE?

Post by Porschebug » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:41 am

NIERS

i think the ghandi thing worked because of the "benevolent" empire that the brits had in practice with increasing liberal policies toward their vassal states and colonies. They were the first to outlaw slave trade and use, forerunners of many great human advances, both techno and political - so there is my ALL HAIL THE QUEEN BRITANNIA FOREVER speech...

in other words, if most anyone else then his pacifism wouldn't work - he was slick in his presentation of it and made brits look like brutes, but throughout history PACIFISM FAILS QUITE BADLY, and only encourages the bullies to carry on their bulliness...

That picture is actually in a house, the light reflected in their eyes giving the dogs a demon possessed look, if you want to see the blown up original... They were just playing, but in looking at the photo you'd think it was vicious fighting, with teeth and all - not to mention PITBULL REPUTATION... I think its funny because people might actually think it is some wicked fighting thing...

this dog "play" can also be more serious and a measure of deciding who is the alpha, omega and in between within the pack... but after this is decided the play is just that and not an all or nothing challenge anymore...

america does have too many dogs, and that is sick, like having too much of anything i guess - i don't have dogs, i've done pit bull artwork and have dozens of pits in my art...

with my guns and health i have no use of pits as vicious protectors - YET!
just waiting for the 4 horsemen to arrive
“The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.â€

User avatar
Porschebug
Posts: 25
Joined: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:29 pm
Location: gainesville florida
Contact:

Avatars as representation of one's true character?

Post by Porschebug » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:55 am

NIERS

You might be right on some deeper level of evolution that is reflected in our animal past or more specifically the past of my immediate life, which i actually just celebrated my half way point in life without violence, being 42 now - and all that violence with 3 foot long crow bar to the chest and arm, knives, bricks, concrete blocks, police, blood shed, almost getting charged with battery, going to court, running, attacking, kicking, punching, slamming, dealing with death threats, property damage, vandalism, protest, gangs, drugs, pushing to the chest, knife to the throat, slashing a chest, thrown bottles, broken down front door, smashed glass window, dog attacks, punching to the face, scars created, choking, rocks, baseball bat, pulled guns, shooting, etc... alright thats enough... if you want me to try to remember more i will...

but don't worry, i was always the good guy and always won, even in retreat...

- some people's goal in life is to go half their life without violence, i made it - it helps when you start living your life alone
“The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.â€

User avatar
Ugly Dougly
Posts: 17612
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:31 am
Burning Since: 1996
Location: เชียงใหม่

Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:59 am

Please kill all the Bad People. Only then will we have happiness and peace.

User avatar
¡Niers!
Posts: 213
Joined: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:00 pm
Location: Eugene, Oregon

Post by ¡Niers! » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:03 am

Porschebug--
I'm assuming that the second half of your life is the half that avoids violence.
If that's the case, I'm happy for you.

As far as me bringing up your avatar, I'm glad that I was wrong on that one. I kinda thought that, but I recently have seen a disturbing documentary about illegal dog fighting. So the visions are still fresh in my mind.

Just remember that just because you have had some violence in your past, doesn't mean that you should live the rest of your life in fear.
I live with the attitude that if someone wants to rob me, so be it. Anything I own is not worth killing for. I will fight for my life and the life of others, but when it comes to material objects, forget it.
Now, you get between me and my Tequila? Forget it, I'll cut you! lol
Kidding.

User avatar
Ugly Dougly
Posts: 17612
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:31 am
Burning Since: 1996
Location: เชียงใหม่

Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:03 am

¡Niers! wrote:Ghandi comes to mind for some reason.
Think about it.
Then think about it again.


Porschebug---
What's up with your avatar anyway? Is that some sort of advocation for dog fights? That's sick either way. Perhaps it's a show of your true character?

I don't know, this is all getting very old. I think this thread has been answered anyway..........NEXT!
Didn't I see your avatar on someone else's profile???

User avatar
gyre
Posts: 15457
Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:01 pm
Location: ΦάÏ

Post by gyre » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:17 am

¡Niers! wrote: I live with the attitude that if someone wants to rob me, so be it. Anything I own is not worth killing for. I will fight for my life and the life of others, but when it comes to material objects, forget it.
Now, you get between me and my Tequila? Forget it, I'll cut you! lol
Kidding.
It is routine here to shoot people after the robbery.
People willing to risk your life to take things have no hesitation about your life.
Thieves are always prepared to use violence.

Your property, your life.
It makes no difference, except that money is of some use to them.

User avatar
Porschebug
Posts: 25
Joined: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:29 pm
Location: gainesville florida
Contact:

Got violence? got peace? got pitbulls?

Post by Porschebug » Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:04 am

Niers

yes, first half much more violent than second half

I still remember reading GEO in the early 80s, which was a magazine that had the hardcore stuff that NATIONAL GEO. wouldn't show and they had horrid dog fight photos that still scar my mind, now we have rotten dot com to do that for us

i particularly like the blue, thats the pit with white chest, thats what they call these pit bulls, they are bred to be the largest, and the teeth interaction is much more detailed in the larger version of my avatar...

fear is a strong word, i'd say i'm far more cautious than the average person, been called paranoid and blamed for HUNKERING DOWN... i would like to make survivalism a hobby, but its expensive... one of my favorite movie genres is survival stuff, post holocaust, zombie movies, etc... mad max... snake plisken of ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK, etc... lots just hope this lifestyle remains a form of entertainment for we 21st century indulged americans...

i feel more at peace carrying weapons - i would be more fearful if not able to defend myself - i have a glock right next to my bed, loaded with +P powerballs, a heavy duty load with extra features...

killing for your car? during the car jacking heyday they did write into law some special protection for citizens, if being car jacked you can kill with more legal protection than some pussy states that call for you to flee, a few years ago jeb bush in florida passed a STAND YOUR GROUND law, you can now fight back instead of running away - god!, what took us so long for this one?

UGLY

that was conan's job right? FOOLS ALWAYS SUFFER GLADLY AND MAKE OTHERS PAY FOR THEIR FOLLY, thats my favorite conan quote - now all we have is the funny nebbish conan obrien, which is a good sign of the times really... we are less barbaric, or should i say more detached from our methods of warfare, compared to the hyborian age when conan did such a great job of surviving

i hope you saw that somewhere, because i would like to have a chat with that teethy pit avatar using person, let me know if you find it somewhere else... i was just saying the other day that someday they should have an IMAGE SEARCH on the internet and sound search...

you remind me of the funny governator line in one of his movies, to jamey lee curtis about her discovery of all his killing in the movie TRUE LIES:

Helen: Have you ever killed anyone?

Harry: Yeah, but they were all bad.

GYRE,

I've thought that if i kill a robber he might be bluffing, as many i think are, that they really are not intending to kill or even harm, just rob - you can see this in many videos where the robber clearly had time to kill or shoot, but didn't, his bluff was called and he couldn't become a killer, yet was at least trying to save his life by fighting the clerk who was fighting him.

But you certainly make me think that no matter the real intent or limitations of the would be robber he/she certainly asked for it and can lawfully be killed for pulling a gun on you to rob you... except in some wimpy criminal loving states i suppose... massachusetts and california come to mind... illinois and wisconsin are the two main hold out states as to weapon carry... but many liberal criminal loving laws still are around in the lefty states, it defies reason and liberty, i really don't get it - its christian forgiveness gone too far? every body deserves a second chance and 3rd and 4th and ad infinitum ad absurdum?
“The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.â€

User avatar
gyre
Posts: 15457
Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:01 pm
Location: ΦάÏ

Post by gyre » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:30 pm

If you're into gambling, wait and see.

It isn't uncommon for armed robbers to have weapons jam.
They aren't typically good at thinking ahead and consequences.
Poor maintenance, cheap gun, wearing it in your shorts take a toll.
I wouldn't wait and see.


The illusion of security is pleasant.
But not reality.

User avatar
Porschebug
Posts: 25
Joined: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:29 pm
Location: gainesville florida
Contact:

Post by Porschebug » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:10 pm

GYRE

i tried a greek translation but only got THE BEACON and the rest of it... you are from greece?
“The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.â€

User avatar
gyre
Posts: 15457
Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:01 pm
Location: ΦάÏ

Post by gyre » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:22 am

It's supposed to be the original term for the beacon of Alexandria, the great lighthouse.
It refers to the island Pharos and the lighthouse in Alexandria, Egypt.

I'm from Memphis.
I'm not greek, but I still mourn the loss of the great library of Alexandria.

User avatar
Porschebug
Posts: 25
Joined: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:29 pm
Location: gainesville florida
Contact:

Post by Porschebug » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:46 am

very good

i've thought about that library many times over the years

and it lends credence to the anti-islamo sentiment we have had increasingly in america since 911 as far as the "religious reasoning" (oxymoron) that brought the library down in flames

a beacon from the ancients and their lost writings, thanks alot moslems...

WAR IS THE FATHER OF ALL, as heraclitus said, and islam is number two religion because of their conquests, not so much a function of their religion being so much more accurate and logical...

there were other theories and loss of the library before the islamofascists took over as well - so i guess they had a rebuild - i just wonder how long these writings could have lasted over the years if still around today...
“The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.â€

User avatar
Isotopia
Posts: 2848
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:26 am

Post by Isotopia » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:53 am

"religious reasoning" (oxymoron) that brought the library down in flames

a beacon from the ancients and their lost writings, thanks alot moslems...
Are you suggesting that Moslems were responsible for the sacking and burning of the library?

If so, nothing could be further from the truth - save for your take on the facts.



Moslems had shit to do with the ultimate destruction of the library. Read your history (rather than reading into your history) and one will see that the last librarian at Alexandria was a woman. Hypatia was her name. A mathematician, philosopher, doctor, astronomer. She was murdered by a Christian mob that pulled her screaming from the library and drug her into the street where her skin was flensed off of her while she was still alive. They used broken oyster shells to do it. They then unceremoniously threw her dead body into a fire fueled by burning books, maps and manuscripts taken from the library.

User avatar
Porschebug
Posts: 25
Joined: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:29 pm
Location: gainesville florida
Contact:

got alexandrian books/scrolls?

Post by Porschebug » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:32 am

iso

like i said, there were other theories, 4 or 5 at least as to varying timelines and perhaps multiple burns

There is a growing consensus among historians that the Library likely suffered from a series of catastrophic events, but that the destruction of Alexandria's pagan temples in the late fourth century was probably the most severe and final one, this may include the library...

And of course the moslems later couldn't stand for pagan/heathen literature and writing in the alexandrian library either...

you can copy and paste this for one theory as to why islam might be at fault in this case... or should i say bad use of islam?

http://books.google.com/books?id=_6ugAA ... q=&f=false
“The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.â€

User avatar
CapSmashy
Posts: 1917
Joined: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:29 pm
Burning Since: 2007
Camp Name: Terminal City://404 Village Not Found
Location: Awesome Camp 2.0

Post by CapSmashy » Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:15 am

Absolut Jeenyus wrote: Vermont and Alaska currently have practically no gun laws at all and its perfectly legal to carry openly or concealed in public areas with the exception of schools and courthouses.
Vermont and Alaska are also not regulated and legislated shall issue states.
Playawaste Raiders cordially invites you to suck it.

User avatar
CapSmashy
Posts: 1917
Joined: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:29 pm
Burning Since: 2007
Camp Name: Terminal City://404 Village Not Found
Location: Awesome Camp 2.0

Post by CapSmashy » Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:54 am

Porschebug wrote:and CAP feel free to break up this post into more little segments begging stupid non sequitur questions and assumptions about what i mean and say - you're great at it, keep up the insulting work jerk... everyone needs a challenge, or some new engram in need of auditing?
Sure thing Sparky. And Scientology? Puh-leeese.....
ok folks, you can say it, BLACK PEOPLE, you don't need to disguise the truth with indirect politically correct euphemistic language that all too carefully states blacks have higher crime rates. DIVERSITY is the cover word running through this thread. This reminds me of another racial side step, INNER CITY YOUTH (hmmm, who could they be talking about when talking about crime with this slick tricky phrase? some amorphous colorless humans that are young and inside a city i guess...

the crime rates go like this:

blacks most criminal
then hispanics
then
whites
then asians(especcially east asians
being even lower on the crime scale...

so there you go, there is your simple watered down SURVIVAL GUIDE
And you have obviously never stopped to wonder why those lowest on the socioeconomic ladder rungs are more predisposed to committing criminal action.
i've wondered about .50 cal barretts and how they might be considered MILITARY GRADE, but thats one of the founding meanings behind the second amendment, that the people should have at least some level of equality with the military they might some day have to overthrow...
:lol: Good luck with your revolution.
as it is now, i just shoot when i can get away with it in our NO SHOOTING city, july 4th, jan. 1st and during our recent GATOR DAY WE ARE NUMBER ONE celebration...
When you can get away with it? Is this to say you are one of the irresponsible fucktards out there blazing away in your backyard? If so, people like you should be dropped off on a deserted island and not released until they evolve some shred self responsibility.

A quick glance at Google shows there to be numerous gun ranges in your city.
you state the simple rights we are SUPPOSED to have, i just don't see WHY NOT ALWAYS? like being in a bar, at a sporting event, or BM
Your comments above as to blazing away where ever because you feel you "can get away with it" are precisely the reason most states have such restrictions. Your self admitted irresponsibility with discharging of firearms makes you one of the last people to have access to a firearm in an environment where intoxicants will be consumed.

The general impression you are radiating amounts to little more than you can wait to whip out your gun and shoot someone for some kind of slight, real or imagined. YOU are one of the self created poster children for the anti-gun movement.
and it lends credence to the anti-islamo sentiment we have had increasingly in america since 911 as far as the "religious reasoning" (oxymoron) that brought the library down in flames

a beacon from the ancients and their lost writings, thanks alot moslems...
Uh.... no.
And of course the moslems later couldn't stand for pagan/heathen literature and writing in the alexandrian library either...

you can copy and paste this for one theory as to why islam might be at fault in this case... or should i say bad use of islam?
And have you bothered researching the origins of this theory? No? Didn't think so. The book excerpt you posted is taken from the writings of Bishop Gregory Bar Hebræus, a Jacobite, and has exactly zero factual or historical relevance. What most historians tend to agree on is that Gregory was deeply anti-Muslim and tended to write quite fantastic tales that had zero supporting documentation as to their origin. Such as it taking more than 6 months to burn all of the scrolls from the library.

The only other known accounting concerning Omar comes from Abd al Latif, whose accounting, like Gregory's, was written in the 11th century... nearly 500 years after the fact, and historians are also in large agreement that the writings of Latif are even more far fetched and filled with fantasy than Gregory's.
Playawaste Raiders cordially invites you to suck it.

User avatar
Porschebug
Posts: 25
Joined: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:29 pm
Location: gainesville florida
Contact:

GUNS, MOSLEMS AND HUBBARD?

Post by Porschebug » Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:58 am

alright jerky boy, get a copy of DIANETICS and put it to use. I think its a great book, but seeing as this is as far as i've gotten with the "church" i'm perplexed about some of the highfalutin weirdness and ET religious stuff that entered into it later, like some of Hubbard's sci fi spilled over into his WWII vet counseling... in any case he did some great work and i recommend reading this book - just like newton, i wouldn't throw out his timeless work in physics because he had some weirdo mystic christianity at work also in his life... don't throw the baby out with the bathwater (grey water?) -Don't throw the burner out with the grey water?

any real statistician into this issue knows that this is really a red herring, or at least a minimal factor. Economics is a poor predictor of crime rates, race is a better predictor/correlate. Whats interesting is that blacks also have higher crime rates in white collar positions... I know that idea of poverty not being a cause of crime so much seems counterintuitive but it really is a piss poor measure of probability outcomes with respect to crime...

Its more true to say those who commit crime are more poor YET through regression analysis its not so causative and more a mere correlation...

revolution? i tried unionizing a walmart, thats quite a story - other activism - atheism, veganism, pirate radio station with CLASS WAR RADIO SHOW... (FCC broke in and stole our equipment...

i save phone books for a foot rest and once in a while i put 3 or so on the ground and shoot directly overhead, so thats about a 90 angle perpendicular to the plane of the ground, no matter what i shoot it would be no threat to anyone else - whats a real interesting effect is if you get too close to the phone books you can feel the shock wave surround your hand, a very interesting point blank feel... call it fucktardish if you will, i've had my share of daredevilism and broken bones (at least 4...) - maybe riding a motorcyle will be my next undoing as to fucktard outcomes

the gun shots add to the july 4th, jan. 1st, gator nation number one celebration, and only harm my last years phone books, and a great way to test penetration and mushrooming (which might be two activities i guess happen alot at BM...

i'm the poster child for self defense maybe, i might even do laundry in the backyard with a .45, is that ok with you?

what i cited was translated from Dr. Krehl, and you've researched who he is? you scholarly jerky boy you

If you can hear it from several renowned arab historians then....? I know the lefties like to defend islam and moslems, but their pattern in history is all too well known, destruction and enforcement of their religion, its hardly a leap to think they did some damage to this library, to quote the german:

"Indubitably the adherents of the prophet, in their blind zealotry, remorselessly annihilated many of the priceless relics of antiquity..." (not just A. library, if at all...

evenso the A. library had already had its misfortune, if the arabs later did anything it was a kind of getting rid of the rest? in any case, they, like xians, nazis, liberals, and whoever is stuck on dogma, find it in their cruel little hearts the insensitive intolerant motivation to confine the level of discourse and plurality... as to my liberal jab, churchill said that the next fascists would call themselves anti-fascists... he was/is correct (but those durn repubs are stirring up a fuss at these town hall meetings aint they, gosh!)

let everyone speak, moslems, hubbardites, jacobites, germans, jerky boys, but too bad the a. library had its "voice" burned however many times and by whoever, we don't know
“The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.â€

User avatar
Elorrum
Posts: 6202
Joined: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:09 pm
Burning Since: 2007

Post by Elorrum » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:10 am

We basically can agree that glass bottles shouldn't be on the playa because they might break, cause moop, and injury, and they are in the "don't bring" category. Then argue about guns on the playa? :roll:

User avatar
Dr Jet Sinister
Posts: 608
Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:43 pm
Burning Since: 1986
Location: ..

Re: GUNS at BM is a stupid idea

Post by Dr Jet Sinister » Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:02 pm

Porschebug wrote: any real statistician into this issue knows that this is really a red herring, or at least a minimal factor. Economics is a poor predictor of crime rates, race is a better predictor/correlate. Whats interesting is that blacks also have higher crime rates in white collar positions... I know that idea of poverty not being a cause of crime so much seems counterintuitive but it really is a piss poor measure of probability outcomes with respect to crime...

Its more true to say those who commit crime are more poor YET through regression analysis its not so causative and more a mere correlation...
Any real statistician would see you are making a correlation between ice cream sales and murder rates. Privilege, education, social capital, and opportunity are better markers for a correlation with crime. Causality is not as easily measured but the highest "cause" is generally the opportunity to commit the crime. Why are you ignoring the middle? Because it fits your world view better?

You appear to be so hostile at past slights to your person that you are looking for an excuse to commit some payback. Sadly, you live in a crappy neighborhood 51 weeks a year. Thus, you have 51 weeks to wear your firearm and (shudder) fire it into phone books in your living room. Surely, you can stand to be without your gun for one week in the desert. However, if this vacation is too stressful for you perhaps you'd be more comfortable at Knob Creek.

User avatar
CapSmashy
Posts: 1917
Joined: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:29 pm
Burning Since: 2007
Camp Name: Terminal City://404 Village Not Found
Location: Awesome Camp 2.0

Re: GUNS, MOSLEMS AND HUBBARD?

Post by CapSmashy » Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:57 pm

Porschebug wrote:alright jerky boy, get a copy of DIANETICS and put it to use. I think its a great book, but seeing as this is as far as i've gotten with the "church" i'm perplexed about some of the highfalutin weirdness and ET religious stuff that entered into it later, like some of Hubbard's sci fi spilled over into his WWII vet counseling... in any case he did some great work and i recommend reading this book - just like newton, i wouldn't throw out his timeless work in physics because he had some weirdo mystic christianity at work also in his life... don't throw the baby out with the bathwater (grey water?) -Don't throw the burner out with the grey water?
You're equating Issac Newton and physics to Hubbard and Scientology now? :lol:

Dianetics and everything about Scientology is pure crap. It, like any other religions belief systems, exists merely to suck the life and cash out of its followers.
any real statistician into this issue knows that this is really a red herring, or at least a minimal factor. Economics is a poor predictor of crime rates, race is a better predictor/correlate. Whats interesting is that blacks also have higher crime rates in white collar positions...
I suppose next you will be telling us that blacks are better athletes because they have extra muscles and longer bones too...
I know that idea of poverty not being a cause of crime so much seems counterintuitive but it really is a piss poor measure of probability outcomes with respect to crime...
Except that it is. Poverty, lack of educational opportunities and factors such as poor nutrition at young ages that cripple brain development all play a role in criminal behavior.

You can choose to ignore them if you want and continue to look foolish and bigoted.
i save phone books for a foot rest and once in a while i put 3 or so on the ground and shoot directly overhead, so thats about a 90 angle perpendicular to the plane of the ground, no matter what i shoot it would be no threat to anyone else - whats a real interesting effect is if you get too close to the phone books you can feel the shock wave surround your hand, a very interesting point blank feel... call it fucktardish if you will,
I'll happily call it fucktardish behavior. Not to mention grossly irresponsible, negligent and illegal. As I said, you are a poster child for the anti gun forces to cite as an example as to why none of us should have guns.
i'm the poster child for self defense maybe, i might even do laundry in the backyard with a .45, is that ok with you?
Don't try to sugar coat it as anything but the truth that you are self admittedly reckless in your disregard for the responsibility that comes with owning a firearm.
what i cited was translated from Dr. Krehl, and you've researched who he is? you scholarly jerky boy you
He's an obscure German scholar. So what? He offered nothing other than a theme and variation on the original 2 sources of the erroneous accounts penned in 600 years after the fact.
If you can hear it from several renowned arab historians then....?
Who are all doing the same thing as Krehl and merely expanding upon the existing account that was wildly inaccurate and completely unsubstantiated.

There are actual independent sources for the accounts surrounding Julius Ceaser burning it down by mistake, penned by himself and made reference to in several history accounting by Romans and others that were there.

In terms of the numerous Christian accusations regarding them being responsible for the destruction of the Library, there is a vast amount of historical writings and anecdotal evidence supporting this. Both written from the time periods it was believed to have happened and in later writings.

For Omar? There are two originating sources for the claims. One, a Jacobite priest that hated Islam and Muslims and had a history of work smearing the Islamic faith and the other was from an Arab writer given to enormous flights of fancy in his volume of work that tended to aggrandize and glorify everything Islamic. Both accounts were written several centuries later and both of these are the base framework utilized by those such as Krehl to further perpetuate the legend of Omar.
I know the lefties
Lefties? :lol: The more you post, the more your narrow minded wingnut nature is revealed.
like to defend islam and moslems
So pointing out that comments being made are baseless and without merit are now nothing more than politically motivated baseless defense of that group. Fascinating logic train...
but their pattern in history is all too well known, destruction and enforcement of their religion, its hardly a leap to think they did some damage to this library, to quote the german:

"Indubitably the adherents of the prophet, in their blind zealotry, remorselessly annihilated many of the priceless relics of antiquity..." (not just A. library, if at all...
:lol: Right, because the followers of Christianity were so peaceful and respectful of other religions in the same time period. What does your obscure German have to say on that front?
let everyone speak, moslems, hubbardites, jacobites, germans, jerky boys, but too bad the a. library had its "voice" burned however many times and by whoever, we don't know
As long as they are speaking from a position of knowledge and intelligence, I will listen to anyone's words. When the words being spewed are little more than a mouthpiece for fabrications of faith, ignorance, bigotry and intolerance I will ignore them and attack them.
Playawaste Raiders cordially invites you to suck it.

User avatar
SageV
Posts: 183
Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:39 pm
Burning Since: 1999
Location: I live in a suitcase

Post by SageV » Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:39 pm

No guns for the entirety of the event is part of the consent decree between BMORG and BLM. What is in the consent decree was arrived at through mutual discussion between the two organizations. It's a public document, anybody can read it for themselves.

No guns at Burning Man is a public safety issue, it has nothing to do with curtailing second amendment rights. Most NRA members I know also support responsible use of firearms. Arguing that BMORG is out to curtail your 2nd amendment rights is a laughable MacGuffin...at best.

User avatar
ygmir
Posts: 30403
Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:36 pm
Burning Since: 2007
Camp Name: qqqq
Location: nevada county

Post by ygmir » Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:54 pm

Image
YGMIR

Unabashed Nordic
Pagan

User avatar
CapSmashy
Posts: 1917
Joined: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:29 pm
Burning Since: 2007
Camp Name: Terminal City://404 Village Not Found
Location: Awesome Camp 2.0

Post by CapSmashy » Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:21 pm

Image
Playawaste Raiders cordially invites you to suck it.

User avatar
Porschebug
Posts: 25
Joined: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:29 pm
Location: gainesville florida
Contact:

Got knob creek?

Post by Porschebug » Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:08 pm

DOCTOR JET

I found knob creek gun range and abe lincoln's knob creek farm

one, the full expression of the second amendment, the other the home of a war criminal who countenanced the pervasive use of many guns in the name of empire, NOT WORTH IT, 617,000 dead plus wounded, etc...

So i'll go with choice one, maybe i can take my brother's reenactment .58 caliber civil war guns just to remember lincoln while shooting

SAGE

as to public safety in my case on the playa, it would have been as safe as a glock in my glove compartment all alone and untouched by me... but someone might smash into my car and break open my locked glove compartment to start shooting people at BM? or maybe they weren't necessarily thinking of finding a gun there but after finding my glock might think WOW, I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS MY ARTISTIC FEELINGS NOW... ok, that might be a public safety issue...

DON'T FORGET FOLKS, BM used to have guns allowed... or was that video by absolute genius a fraud?, i don't think so...

i was thinking maybe they should have a super duper free burning man one year... DOGS, GUNS, you can pee on the playa, no boundaries, no police, drugs out in the open, drive all you want, comodification, etc... you know, like that NEO speech at the end of THE MATRIX...
“The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.â€

User avatar
Dr Jet Sinister
Posts: 608
Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:43 pm
Burning Since: 1986
Location: ..

Post by Dr Jet Sinister » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:21 am

Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot. Twice a year, you can shoot anything you want.


Post Reply

Return to “Philosophical Center”