Global Cooling

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:19 pm

Well, Obama says that we made the CO2 and that is warming up the earth. SO, you must be wrong

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... ealth.html
Of course, the pic on the news site shows water vapor coming out of cooling towers. That could even be a nuke site that doesn't put out any CO2. But, as long as it looks like pollution, it's man's fault. The sure cure is a big tax

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:46 pm

As of a couple of days ago, arctic ice extent was "normal". Normal in this case being within one standard deviation of average for this date.

GRAPH

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:43 pm

geekster wrote:And then there's this:
...
The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast.
To put it bluntly, you are being lied to by people with an agenda that has nothing to do with environmentalism.

Man, there's enough padding in that statement to fill 100 sleeping bags.

In other words, this could mean that over less than half of Antarctica, there is large-scale melting.

And ice calving from the western coast into the ocean is the prime area of concern.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:48 pm

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed May 27, 2009 4:51 pm

"Record low temperatures in 21 states -and still no word from the media
20 May 09 - Several of these records are more than 100 years old
New records: 55 + Tied: 30 = Total: 85"
http://iceagenow.com/Record_Lows_2009.htm

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/05/0 ... ciers.html
"Throughout much of the Tibetan Plateau, high-altitude glaciers are dwindling"
24 May 09 â€“ In a defiant act of political incorrectness, 230 glaciers in the western Himalayas - including Mount Everest, K2 and Nanga Parbat - are actually growing."
"These are the biggest mid-latitude glaciers in the world," John Shroder of the University of Nebraska-Omaha said. "And all of them are either holding still, or advancing."
http://iceagenow.com/Glaciers_Growing_i ... alayas.htm

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Wed May 27, 2009 4:58 pm

I guess pollution is a good thing after all.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed May 27, 2009 5:02 pm

One side of the plateau has ice receding,, the other side has ice advancing. It;s climate change,,, not overall warming. Just changing weather patterns.

SilverOrange · Post by **SilverOrange** » Wed May 27, 2009 7:15 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:I guess pollution is a good thing after all.

You mean they've been lying to me? Gotta go-I've got a pile of tires and plastic to burn. and some used motor oil to dump down the storm drain.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:15 pm

I spent 10 years driving around Mexico and I also used to do pit-and-chase for the Baja 1,000
Many, many a cold night, I saw groups of people standing around burning tires to keep warm. Burning tires and fish tacos bring back memories of the endless Pacific playas.
Stinky goddamn burning tires.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:59 am

can't sit still wrote:One side of the plateau has ice receding,, the other side has ice advancing. It;s climate change,,, not overall warming. Just changing weather patterns.

The scientists that I know call it "Climate Change" - the journalists call it "Global Warming".

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri May 29, 2009 6:27 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:
can't sit still wrote:One side of the plateau has ice receding,, the other side has ice advancing. It;s climate change,,, not overall warming. Just changing weather patterns.
The scientists that I know call it "Climate Change" - the journalists call it "Global Warming".

a grand example of "headline" as opposed to "accurate information".........

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:59 pm

Well, here's one more problem that we have to be concerned about;
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/O2DroppingFaste ... Rising.php
Whoda thunk?

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:02 pm

Yeah, they can't get people people upset over rising CO2 at a time when the Earth is at the lowest ever CO2 level in it's history (CO2 enhancement of the atmosphere is actually a good thing at this point).

But, interestingly, after all the hype about the 2007 low in Arctic ice, the ice is now in its second year of recovery. As of today there is about 400,000 sq. km more ice in the Arctic than there was on this day last year. Last year saw about 500,000 sq. km more ice on this day than in 2007.

The "collapse" of the Arctic ice isn't happening.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:51 pm

expect hysteria regarding global cooling, if, this trend continues........

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:31 pm

This article has some good links;
http://www.rense.com/general87/globalf.htm

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:36 pm

well, they are grand distractions...........how can we keep an eye on, let alone try to get to the truth of Washington's shenanigans, when, we are worrying about global climate and ozone, oil depletion, carbon footprint, famine.........dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:16 am

"are we talking Old Testament or New Testament?"

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:20 am

new, "ghost busters" testament, of course.........

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:08 pm

Arctic ice is still well below averages of 1979-2000

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:59 pm

Glaciers grow and shrink erratically. Short-term changes can be confusing.

Glaciers grow due to uncreased snow. Glaciers shrink when they melt. Oddly enough, a global increase in temperature can cause some glaciers to grow if they receive sufficiently more snow to make up for the increase in melting.

Sometimes glaciers can advance more rapidly if they are lubricated by more water underneath the glacier. In some cases this makes the area covered by the glacier increase (although the volume may decrease).

There are a lot of variables, and our models for global climate have a lot of holes in them. The global climate change that is claimed by the vast majority of climatologists is not based on just a few years of data. Neither the supporters nor the deniers of climate change should rely on cherry picking the data.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:04 am

Last winter, the US set a lot of new records for low temperatures. This winter is starting out cooler too. That doesn't necessarily mean that Earth is cooling, just some areas. Here's another shot fired in the battle;
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/15816

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:37 pm

The "collapse" of the Arctic ice isn't happening.

Absolutist statements like this make me cringe.

<plonk>

Deb Prothero · Post by **Deb Prothero** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:32 pm

can't sit still; As a Canadian journalist I read a lot of news here from every part of the country and never in these 30 years of doing so have I ever heard of the Canada Free Press. I read the article there in your posting and it is right wing hogwash pretending to be journalism.

Just because someone calls a website the Canada Free Press does not mean it is a credible source of information. Nor is it "free" if both sides of the story are not explored - there is a price for listening to one-sided media and it is your freedom that is the price. And in my opinion, it's not "press" if a journalist with some training isn't part of the project.

An informed electorate deserves a free press. We need to be very careful who we use as sources for information.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:47 pm

Good point Deb.... and Badger. Because I didn't do any follow up investigation, i didn't even quote the article. Did you read the second part of the article? Ceding the sovereignty of the US??? The second part of the article is even more dubious than the first.
I try not to post throw-away articles but, once in a while the fringe is right.
There is a lot of unusually cold weather in the US. http://www.iceagenow.com/Record_Lows_2009.htm
That part seems to be true.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:33 pm

In any system as big and complicated as climate/weather, you are going to have patchiness, including patchiness that can be contradictory to the big picture.
Example: All Burners are druggies. IBDave is clean and sober. okay, but a lot of burners do a lot of drugs. sorry that this is sorta dumbed down, but I have a migraine.

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:37 pm

Not that one month proves anything, but since Ice Age Now (sounds like another animated flick) is jumping up and down about cold temperatures in the US in 2009, one might note that NOAA records September 2009 as the second warmest September (just behind 2005) on record for global temperatures.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories200 ... stats.html

As you can see from the little diagram:

there were warmer spots and cooler spots both globally and in the US.

But that's just the problem that climatologists face, many people do not consider the role of variations in the climate either over time or location. It's important to take the long view and the global view.

Deb Prothero · Post by **Deb Prothero** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:03 am

This article shows recent pictures from space which indicate the shrinking of ice around Greenland and Antarctica faster than previously reported.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 143331.htm

Denying that Climate Change is an issue seems like deliberately putting our collective heads in the sand.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:18 am

Deb Prothero wrote:This article shows recent pictures from space which indicate the shrinking of ice around Greenland and Antarctica faster than previously reported.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 143331.htm

Denying that Climate Change is an issue seems like deliberately putting our collective heads in the sand.

I might submit denying it is one thing, quantifying and, ascertaining cause and effect, another......

Deb Prothero · Post by **Deb Prothero** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:36 am

ygmir wrote:
I might submit denying it is one thing, quantifying and, ascertaining cause and effect, another......

Whenever I read about effects of Climate Change, one of the first things likely to happen is the flooding of Manhattan. Although I love the city it always makes me smile to think that Wall Street will be underwater and it seems somehow appropriate for all the damage they've done.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:40 am

by climate change, you mean warming? What about those that claim warming will cause cooling?..........very complex mechanisms.........

will Manhatten really flood? I thought it'd be a 3' rise in sea levels, for the most part............not that I have any sympathy for Wall st.