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goathead, I believe that it all gets down to health. I worked today too. I'm planning to get a grubstake going. MANY people have that plan. Most of them wait too late. They've lost their health by the time they finally cut loose to go out and enjoy the world. It is possible to go out and enjoy life with a minimum of money;
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Much of your future depends on how much energy and health you have.
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Zeus, you're right. We should all be out at the burn. I'm not angry though. I found something about "your" people.
"The wall is believed to have been built by the Canaanites, an ancient pagan people who the Bible says inhabited Jerusalem and other parts of the Middle East before the advent of monotheism."
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 874361/pg1
I like the way they state this; "before the advent of monotheism." They won't say, "before the hebrew tribes annihilated them.
Next year in Black Rock City !!!!
"The wall is believed to have been built by the Canaanites, an ancient pagan people who the Bible says inhabited Jerusalem and other parts of the Middle East before the advent of monotheism."
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 874361/pg1
I like the way they state this; "before the advent of monotheism." They won't say, "before the hebrew tribes annihilated them.
Next year in Black Rock City !!!!
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more remarkable acomplishments;
Israel's Greatest Achievements
9-7-9
Israel, a country the size of New Jersey can only claim to the following achievements:
* Israel was established upon the ruins of another nation that it destroyed; Palestine
* Israel holds the world record in the number of towns & villages it ethnically cleansed... 500+
* Israel holds the world record in the number of refugees it deported... 4 million +
* Israel holds the world record in the number of homes it demolished... 60,000 +
* Israel is the country with the highest record of UN condemnation... 500 + times
* Israel is the country with the highest number of protective US Security council vetoes... 100 + times
* Israel has killed more innocent civilians per capita than any other country... 50,000 +
* Israel has imprisoned more civilians per capita than any other country... 250,000 +
* Israel has rendered more innocent civilians handicapped per capita than any other country... 50 thousand+
* Israel has injured more innocent civilians per capita than any other country... 200,000 +
* Israel has only two countries to defend its policies in the United Nations. These countries are America & Micronesia. The population for Micronesia as of June 2008 is only 108,000
* Israel is the only country on Earth that denies the right of return of refugees
* Israel is the only country on Earth that publicly, steals the water of its neighbors
* Israel is the only country on Earth that has legalized home demolishing as a method of collective punishment
* Israel is the only country on Earth that uproots trees as a method of collective punishment
* Israel is the only country on Earth that deliberately targets civilian infrastructure and justifies it
* Israel is the only country on Earth that legalized assassination
* Israel stands unique in using human shields in military operations
* Amongst all countries, Israel is the only one that has legalized torture
* Israel is the only country on Earth that builds illegal settlements in occupied lands
* Israel is the only country on Earth that publicly jails activists without trial
* According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Israel has created the highest number of checkpoints
* According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Israel holds the world record in the number of curfew its installed on the Palestinians
* Israel is the only country on Earth whose checkpoints deny women access to hospitals, they give birth alone and babies usually die
* Israel is exceptional in being the only country on Earth whose checkpoints denies patients access to hospitals, and they end up dying
* Israel is the only country on Earth whose checkpoints are where wedding parades come to an end
* Israel is the only country on Earth who checkpoints school children, denies them access to school, and puts an end to their classes
* Israel is one of two countries that, against International Law, use cluster bombs and depleted uranium bombs. America is the other... what a surprise huh?
* Israel holds the world record in the number of soldiers refusing to serve in the army
* Israel despite being a rich country, receives the highest financial aid, more than the sum aid to all sub-Saharan Africa!
* Israel claims its enemies want to wipe it off the map, but it has indeed wiped a whole country called Palestine off the map!
* Israel is the county that has introduced nuclear weapons into the Middle East. But the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty
* After East Germany, Israel is the only country that is building a segregation wall
* Second to South Africa, Israel is the only country to establish an apartheid regime
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first iron gates on roads
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first cities turned into jails with gates and opening hours
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first apartheid walls
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first electrified segregation fences
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first 'eyes specific' rubber bullets
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first abortion efficient, infant killing tear gas
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first humiliation guaranteed human cages
* Israel is the only country on Earth that has a political party that publicly advocates ethnic cleansing of native citizens (Palestinians)
* Israel is the only country on Earth that still has racist laws that discriminate against native citizens (Palestinians)
* Israel is the only country on Earth known to have a memorial dedicated to a terrorist where his followers gather and dance
* Israel is the only country on Earth that imprisons kids for political reasons
* Israel is the only country on Earth where you get a one month community service for intentionally, smashing the head of a child! How much more proof do people need to see that Israel is a terrorist nation ?????!!!!!
* Israel is the only country on Earth that does not hold its soldiers accountable for shooting peace activists in cold blood
* No other country on Earth has towns and cities allocated exclusively for one ethnic group
* The only country on Earth, where people live in homes stolen from living refugees is, Israel
* The only place on Earth where people cultivate fields stolen from living refugees is, Israel
* Israel has the highest number of towns built upon ethnically cleansed villages, whose former residents are living refugees
This must be an old list. They left out the phosphorous and depleted uranium. I suppose that there should also be mention of the fishing blockade.
The vid from Jerusalem shows that this isn't about religion or arabs or peace or security. It's about POWER.
Israel's Greatest Achievements
9-7-9
Israel, a country the size of New Jersey can only claim to the following achievements:
* Israel was established upon the ruins of another nation that it destroyed; Palestine
* Israel holds the world record in the number of towns & villages it ethnically cleansed... 500+
* Israel holds the world record in the number of refugees it deported... 4 million +
* Israel holds the world record in the number of homes it demolished... 60,000 +
* Israel is the country with the highest record of UN condemnation... 500 + times
* Israel is the country with the highest number of protective US Security council vetoes... 100 + times
* Israel has killed more innocent civilians per capita than any other country... 50,000 +
* Israel has imprisoned more civilians per capita than any other country... 250,000 +
* Israel has rendered more innocent civilians handicapped per capita than any other country... 50 thousand+
* Israel has injured more innocent civilians per capita than any other country... 200,000 +
* Israel has only two countries to defend its policies in the United Nations. These countries are America & Micronesia. The population for Micronesia as of June 2008 is only 108,000
* Israel is the only country on Earth that denies the right of return of refugees
* Israel is the only country on Earth that publicly, steals the water of its neighbors
* Israel is the only country on Earth that has legalized home demolishing as a method of collective punishment
* Israel is the only country on Earth that uproots trees as a method of collective punishment
* Israel is the only country on Earth that deliberately targets civilian infrastructure and justifies it
* Israel is the only country on Earth that legalized assassination
* Israel stands unique in using human shields in military operations
* Amongst all countries, Israel is the only one that has legalized torture
* Israel is the only country on Earth that builds illegal settlements in occupied lands
* Israel is the only country on Earth that publicly jails activists without trial
* According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Israel has created the highest number of checkpoints
* According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Israel holds the world record in the number of curfew its installed on the Palestinians
* Israel is the only country on Earth whose checkpoints deny women access to hospitals, they give birth alone and babies usually die
* Israel is exceptional in being the only country on Earth whose checkpoints denies patients access to hospitals, and they end up dying
* Israel is the only country on Earth whose checkpoints are where wedding parades come to an end
* Israel is the only country on Earth who checkpoints school children, denies them access to school, and puts an end to their classes
* Israel is one of two countries that, against International Law, use cluster bombs and depleted uranium bombs. America is the other... what a surprise huh?
* Israel holds the world record in the number of soldiers refusing to serve in the army
* Israel despite being a rich country, receives the highest financial aid, more than the sum aid to all sub-Saharan Africa!
* Israel claims its enemies want to wipe it off the map, but it has indeed wiped a whole country called Palestine off the map!
* Israel is the county that has introduced nuclear weapons into the Middle East. But the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty
* After East Germany, Israel is the only country that is building a segregation wall
* Second to South Africa, Israel is the only country to establish an apartheid regime
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first iron gates on roads
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first cities turned into jails with gates and opening hours
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first apartheid walls
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first electrified segregation fences
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first 'eyes specific' rubber bullets
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first abortion efficient, infant killing tear gas
* Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first humiliation guaranteed human cages
* Israel is the only country on Earth that has a political party that publicly advocates ethnic cleansing of native citizens (Palestinians)
* Israel is the only country on Earth that still has racist laws that discriminate against native citizens (Palestinians)
* Israel is the only country on Earth known to have a memorial dedicated to a terrorist where his followers gather and dance
* Israel is the only country on Earth that imprisons kids for political reasons
* Israel is the only country on Earth where you get a one month community service for intentionally, smashing the head of a child! How much more proof do people need to see that Israel is a terrorist nation ?????!!!!!
* Israel is the only country on Earth that does not hold its soldiers accountable for shooting peace activists in cold blood
* No other country on Earth has towns and cities allocated exclusively for one ethnic group
* The only country on Earth, where people live in homes stolen from living refugees is, Israel
* The only place on Earth where people cultivate fields stolen from living refugees is, Israel
* Israel has the highest number of towns built upon ethnically cleansed villages, whose former residents are living refugees
This must be an old list. They left out the phosphorous and depleted uranium. I suppose that there should also be mention of the fishing blockade.
The vid from Jerusalem shows that this isn't about religion or arabs or peace or security. It's about POWER.
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The Gaza War 'victory' - Has Israel grown dependent on terror?
By Bradley Burston
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1116159.html
It is a sickening thought. It is one that many in Israel have had to live with for months. One they have kept inside, silenced, some for reasons of guilt, others out of sympathy, superstition, or denial:
Despite everything, despite international denunciation unprecedented even by the standards of past Israeli operations, despite mind-reeling devastation of residential areas and unconscionable loss of life among Palestinian civilians, could the winter invasion of Gaza have actually been a success?
The suggestion was put forward this week in a Washington Post opinion piece headlined "Israel's Gaza Vindication." The Monday column was written by Jackson Diehl, who covered the first intifada as the paper's Jerusalem bureau chief, and who early in the Gaza war had called Cast Lead "Olmert's final failure."
Diehl noted that while a number of Israel's stated - and patently unrealizable - aims for the war went unaddressed, two crucial elements of the postwar reality were cause for distinct Israeli satisfaction: a precipitous drop in Palestinian rocket launchings against the Negev, and a considerable rise in the strength of Hamas blood rival, Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah-led Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.
Israel's defeat in Gaza has widely been portrayed as a foregone conclusion. During the war, Time magazine's cover was headlined "Why Israel can't win." An accompanying article asked darkly "Can Israel survive its assault on Gaza?"
Diehl's article argues that Israel has done far more. "The point," he writes, "is that Israel has bought itself a stretch of relative peace with Hamas, just as its costly 2006 invasion of Lebanon has produced three years of quiet on that front. From the Israeli perspective, a respite from conflict is the most that can be expected from either group - or from their mutual sponsor, Iran."
The idea that the very brutality of these wars is what caused them to succeed, raises a number of extremely uncomfortable questions for Israelis. There is little question that a intentionally ferocious military offensive was the object of Israeli strategic planners, even if real efforts were made to reduce civilian casualties.
On the first day of the war, IDF Southern Front Commander Yoav Galant said that in attacking Hamas in the Gaza Strip, the Israel Defense Forces would try to "send Gaza decades into the past" in terms of weapons capabilities, while achieving "the maximum number of enemy casualties and keeping Israel Defense Forces casualties at a minimum."
Is this the meaning of victory here? Is resort to extreme force the only way to defend Israeli civilians against rocket attacks north and south? If this is how you win, what does this say about us, and our future? What does this say about the enemies we face, and the viability, durability and credibility of any peace agreements forged between the sides?
Was it, in fact, the bludgeon of overwhelming military force that has kept the borders quiet north and south? If not, one must ask, why else have the rockets stopped? What else has changed? Not occupation, not settlement activity, certainly not Palestinian affection for Israel as a neighbor.
The issue, at a time of relative quiet vis a vis armed Palestinian groups, raises other questions as well. To what extent has terrorism itself proven a failure, has it begun dying out, and if it is, will Israel be capable of an appropriate response?
Earlier this month, a number of analysts marked the eight anniversary of the 9/11 attacks with assessments that Al-Qaida was in decided retreat. Time ran headlined a story by Tony Karon headlined "Why Osama Bin Laden failed." The Guardian, meanwhile, reported that Al-Qaida faced a recruitment crisis.
Perhaps most significantly, a recent Pew Global Attitudes poll found "Support for suicide bombing in freefall among Muslim publics."
Of the nine Muslim publics polled, support for suicide bombings was far the strongest among Palestinians, with 68 percent calling it often or sometimes justified [a decline of only two percentage points in the last two years], and only 17 percent ruling out bombings altogether.
Yet the fact remains that Palestinian terrorism, whether borne by Qassam or suicide bomber, has decreased dramatically.
At the same time, terrorism, whether real or not, remains central to Israel's explanations of many of the most morally problematic of its policies, including the siege of Gaza and restrictions on the movements and commerce of Palestinians in the West Bank.
For the right, the specter of terrorism has become the primary, at times, the only argument against territorial compromise in the West Bank.
So reliant has Israel become on terrorism as the underpinning of its policies, it remains to be seen if its reflex dependency on Palestinian violence can be replaced by a world view appropriate to a Holy Land uncontaminated by terrorism.
May this be a year in which we have a chance to find out. May this be a year in which Palestinians have the steadfastness and the strength and the shrewdness to resist the temptation to launch attacks, and may Israel have the might and the wisdom and the ability to change course, to keep from launching military adventures when the other side is, for whatever reason, holding its fire.
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By Bradley Burston
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1116159.html
It is a sickening thought. It is one that many in Israel have had to live with for months. One they have kept inside, silenced, some for reasons of guilt, others out of sympathy, superstition, or denial:
Despite everything, despite international denunciation unprecedented even by the standards of past Israeli operations, despite mind-reeling devastation of residential areas and unconscionable loss of life among Palestinian civilians, could the winter invasion of Gaza have actually been a success?
The suggestion was put forward this week in a Washington Post opinion piece headlined "Israel's Gaza Vindication." The Monday column was written by Jackson Diehl, who covered the first intifada as the paper's Jerusalem bureau chief, and who early in the Gaza war had called Cast Lead "Olmert's final failure."
Diehl noted that while a number of Israel's stated - and patently unrealizable - aims for the war went unaddressed, two crucial elements of the postwar reality were cause for distinct Israeli satisfaction: a precipitous drop in Palestinian rocket launchings against the Negev, and a considerable rise in the strength of Hamas blood rival, Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah-led Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.
Israel's defeat in Gaza has widely been portrayed as a foregone conclusion. During the war, Time magazine's cover was headlined "Why Israel can't win." An accompanying article asked darkly "Can Israel survive its assault on Gaza?"
Diehl's article argues that Israel has done far more. "The point," he writes, "is that Israel has bought itself a stretch of relative peace with Hamas, just as its costly 2006 invasion of Lebanon has produced three years of quiet on that front. From the Israeli perspective, a respite from conflict is the most that can be expected from either group - or from their mutual sponsor, Iran."
The idea that the very brutality of these wars is what caused them to succeed, raises a number of extremely uncomfortable questions for Israelis. There is little question that a intentionally ferocious military offensive was the object of Israeli strategic planners, even if real efforts were made to reduce civilian casualties.
On the first day of the war, IDF Southern Front Commander Yoav Galant said that in attacking Hamas in the Gaza Strip, the Israel Defense Forces would try to "send Gaza decades into the past" in terms of weapons capabilities, while achieving "the maximum number of enemy casualties and keeping Israel Defense Forces casualties at a minimum."
Is this the meaning of victory here? Is resort to extreme force the only way to defend Israeli civilians against rocket attacks north and south? If this is how you win, what does this say about us, and our future? What does this say about the enemies we face, and the viability, durability and credibility of any peace agreements forged between the sides?
Was it, in fact, the bludgeon of overwhelming military force that has kept the borders quiet north and south? If not, one must ask, why else have the rockets stopped? What else has changed? Not occupation, not settlement activity, certainly not Palestinian affection for Israel as a neighbor.
The issue, at a time of relative quiet vis a vis armed Palestinian groups, raises other questions as well. To what extent has terrorism itself proven a failure, has it begun dying out, and if it is, will Israel be capable of an appropriate response?
Earlier this month, a number of analysts marked the eight anniversary of the 9/11 attacks with assessments that Al-Qaida was in decided retreat. Time ran headlined a story by Tony Karon headlined "Why Osama Bin Laden failed." The Guardian, meanwhile, reported that Al-Qaida faced a recruitment crisis.
Perhaps most significantly, a recent Pew Global Attitudes poll found "Support for suicide bombing in freefall among Muslim publics."
Of the nine Muslim publics polled, support for suicide bombings was far the strongest among Palestinians, with 68 percent calling it often or sometimes justified [a decline of only two percentage points in the last two years], and only 17 percent ruling out bombings altogether.
Yet the fact remains that Palestinian terrorism, whether borne by Qassam or suicide bomber, has decreased dramatically.
At the same time, terrorism, whether real or not, remains central to Israel's explanations of many of the most morally problematic of its policies, including the siege of Gaza and restrictions on the movements and commerce of Palestinians in the West Bank.
For the right, the specter of terrorism has become the primary, at times, the only argument against territorial compromise in the West Bank.
So reliant has Israel become on terrorism as the underpinning of its policies, it remains to be seen if its reflex dependency on Palestinian violence can be replaced by a world view appropriate to a Holy Land uncontaminated by terrorism.
May this be a year in which we have a chance to find out. May this be a year in which Palestinians have the steadfastness and the strength and the shrewdness to resist the temptation to launch attacks, and may Israel have the might and the wisdom and the ability to change course, to keep from launching military adventures when the other side is, for whatever reason, holding its fire.
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It seems that Arab men have been seducing jewish girls and israeli jews don't like it.;
"receives more than 100 calls a month about Jewish women living with Arab men, both in Israel and the West Bank. It launches "military-like rescues [of the women] from hostile Arab villages" in co-ordination with the police and army"
"The Jewish soul is a precious, all-too-rare resource, and we are not prepared to give up on even a single one,"
One of the few polls on the subject, in 2007, found that more than half of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage should be equated with "national treason".
"Sleeping with the Enemy, which describes mixed couples as an "unnatural phenomenon".
Ahhh, love is blind !!
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/09/2 ... ing-arabs/
"receives more than 100 calls a month about Jewish women living with Arab men, both in Israel and the West Bank. It launches "military-like rescues [of the women] from hostile Arab villages" in co-ordination with the police and army"
"The Jewish soul is a precious, all-too-rare resource, and we are not prepared to give up on even a single one,"
One of the few polls on the subject, in 2007, found that more than half of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage should be equated with "national treason".
"Sleeping with the Enemy, which describes mixed couples as an "unnatural phenomenon".
Ahhh, love is blind !!
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/09/2 ... ing-arabs/
I don't post things because I believe that they are the absolute truth. I post them because I believe that they should be considered.
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it's the uncut penises, must larger then those kosher pickles and make for less abrasion too.can't sit still wrote:It seems that Arab men have been seducing jewish girls and israeli jews don't like it.;
"receives more than 100 calls a month about Jewish women living with Arab men, both in Israel and the West Bank. It launches "military-like rescues [of the women] from hostile Arab villages" in co-ordination with the police and army"
"The Jewish soul is a precious, all-too-rare resource, and we are not prepared to give up on even a single one,"
One of the few polls on the subject, in 2007, found that more than half of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage should be equated with "national treason".
"Sleeping with the Enemy, which describes mixed couples as an "unnatural phenomenon".
Ahhh, love is blind !!
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/09/2 ... ing-arabs/
On another note, Jewish anti Mount of the Rock protested in front of the islamic holy site has nothing to do with Iran testing of rockets!
They are right on the "All too rare" and getting rarer. Actually, there are plenty of single darker skinned Israeli females, but all they want are the white ones! Another reason for Judaism, christianity and islam to fade away because they are so full of examples of racism!
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UN Report Calls for Investigation Into Alleged War Crimes in Gaza
By Lisa Schlein
Geneva
29 September 2009
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-09-29-voa45.cfm
A U.N. fact-finding mission accuses both Israel and Hamas militants of committing war crimes during the three-week war in Gaza that began in late 2008. The report, which has just been submitted to the U.N. Human Rights Council, calls for both parties to conduct a credible investigation into alleged violations within the next six months or risk having the situation turned over to the International Criminal Court.
Head of the fact finding mission, South African Justice Richard Goldstone, criticized Israel for not cooperating with the mission and strongly rejected accusations that the investigation was politically motivated.
He described a number of incidents in which Israeli forces launched direct attacks against civilians with lethal consequences. With one exception, he said there was no military objective or advantage that could justify the attacks.
"The mission found that the attack on the only remaining flour-producing factory, the destruction of a large part of the Gaza egg production, the bulldozing of huge tracts of agricultural land, and the bombing of some 200 industrial facilities, could not on any basis be justified on military grounds. Those attacks had nothing whatever to do with the firing of rockets and mortars at Israel," Goldstone said. "These attack amounted to reprisals and collective punishment and constitute war crimes."
The mission found the repeated firing of rockets and mortars into southern Israel by Palestinian armed groups from the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip constituted war crimes that may amount to crimes against humanity.
Goldstone said the mission is recommending the Security Council require Israel and the Palestinian authorities to undertake investigations into the crimes committed during the war and to report back in six-months.
"In both cases, if within the six month period there are no good faith investigations conforming to international standards, the Security Council should refer the situation or situations to the International Criminal Court prosecutor," Goldstone said.
Goldstone said the lack of accountability for war crimes and possible crimes against humanity has reached a crisis point. He said the ongoing lack of justice is undermining any hope for a successful peace process and reinforcing an environment that fosters violence.
The report did not sit well with Israeli Ambassador Aharon Leshno Yaar. He called the 575-page report shameful.
"The authors of this "fact-finding report" had little concern with finding facts … Regrettably, this one-sided report, claiming to represent international law but in fact perverting it to serve a political agenda, can only weaken the standing of international law in future conflicts," Yaar said.
Israel found welcome support for its position from the United States. In his first appearance before the UN Human Rights Council representing the United States, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Michael Posner called the report deeply flawed.
"The report also fails to deal adequately with the asymmetrical nature of the conflict or to assign appropriate responsibility to Hamas for its decision to base itself and its military operations in heavily populated areas," Posner said. "We are also seriously concerned with the recommendations that these allegations be taken up by the Security Council and then possibly referred to the International Criminal Court."
Instead, Posner urged the Council to pass a resolution encouraging Israel to investigate allegations through credible domestic processes and to call on the Palestinians to launch similar investigations to address allegations of Hamas abuses.
By Lisa Schlein
Geneva
29 September 2009
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-09-29-voa45.cfm
A U.N. fact-finding mission accuses both Israel and Hamas militants of committing war crimes during the three-week war in Gaza that began in late 2008. The report, which has just been submitted to the U.N. Human Rights Council, calls for both parties to conduct a credible investigation into alleged violations within the next six months or risk having the situation turned over to the International Criminal Court.
Head of the fact finding mission, South African Justice Richard Goldstone, criticized Israel for not cooperating with the mission and strongly rejected accusations that the investigation was politically motivated.
He described a number of incidents in which Israeli forces launched direct attacks against civilians with lethal consequences. With one exception, he said there was no military objective or advantage that could justify the attacks.
"The mission found that the attack on the only remaining flour-producing factory, the destruction of a large part of the Gaza egg production, the bulldozing of huge tracts of agricultural land, and the bombing of some 200 industrial facilities, could not on any basis be justified on military grounds. Those attacks had nothing whatever to do with the firing of rockets and mortars at Israel," Goldstone said. "These attack amounted to reprisals and collective punishment and constitute war crimes."
The mission found the repeated firing of rockets and mortars into southern Israel by Palestinian armed groups from the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip constituted war crimes that may amount to crimes against humanity.
Goldstone said the mission is recommending the Security Council require Israel and the Palestinian authorities to undertake investigations into the crimes committed during the war and to report back in six-months.
"In both cases, if within the six month period there are no good faith investigations conforming to international standards, the Security Council should refer the situation or situations to the International Criminal Court prosecutor," Goldstone said.
Goldstone said the lack of accountability for war crimes and possible crimes against humanity has reached a crisis point. He said the ongoing lack of justice is undermining any hope for a successful peace process and reinforcing an environment that fosters violence.
The report did not sit well with Israeli Ambassador Aharon Leshno Yaar. He called the 575-page report shameful.
"The authors of this "fact-finding report" had little concern with finding facts … Regrettably, this one-sided report, claiming to represent international law but in fact perverting it to serve a political agenda, can only weaken the standing of international law in future conflicts," Yaar said.
Israel found welcome support for its position from the United States. In his first appearance before the UN Human Rights Council representing the United States, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Michael Posner called the report deeply flawed.
"The report also fails to deal adequately with the asymmetrical nature of the conflict or to assign appropriate responsibility to Hamas for its decision to base itself and its military operations in heavily populated areas," Posner said. "We are also seriously concerned with the recommendations that these allegations be taken up by the Security Council and then possibly referred to the International Criminal Court."
Instead, Posner urged the Council to pass a resolution encouraging Israel to investigate allegations through credible domestic processes and to call on the Palestinians to launch similar investigations to address allegations of Hamas abuses.
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I'm at a loss to explain some of the recent news. Bibi slipped into Russia to demand concessions from Mevedev and Putin concerning missiles to Iran. When they were denied, he reportedly threatened Putin. Putin told him that Russia could make israel an ash heap in 24 hours. Then he physically ejected him. I don't know if the story is completely true or not.
The other weird item was from Brzezinski. He reportedly said that the U.S. should shoot down israeli planes if they attacked Iran. THAT seems very out of character for Brzezinski
http://www.rense.com/general87/iz.htm.
It's well known that Iranian missiles can take out our entire fleet. The SAMs can take out a lot of planes. Russia, India and China are backing Iran. You would think that Netanyahu would take pause at the odds. Evidently, the major powers don't want to see nukes used in Iran. The US isn't far from crashing. Israel wil have to make it on it's own. Evidently, the world sees more viability in Iran than in israel. If israel is allowed to close the Straits of Hormuz or nuke Iran, things will come out VERY badly. Evidently, the world has had enough with israel's intransigence and belligerency.
We'll see.
The other weird item was from Brzezinski. He reportedly said that the U.S. should shoot down israeli planes if they attacked Iran. THAT seems very out of character for Brzezinski
http://www.rense.com/general87/iz.htm.
It's well known that Iranian missiles can take out our entire fleet. The SAMs can take out a lot of planes. Russia, India and China are backing Iran. You would think that Netanyahu would take pause at the odds. Evidently, the major powers don't want to see nukes used in Iran. The US isn't far from crashing. Israel wil have to make it on it's own. Evidently, the world sees more viability in Iran than in israel. If israel is allowed to close the Straits of Hormuz or nuke Iran, things will come out VERY badly. Evidently, the world has had enough with israel's intransigence and belligerency.
We'll see.
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here, let me inflict some humor into this otherwise lacking of funny thread.
i know, it's a curse, a stain, a blemish even that i use the one weapon that jews hold superiority in.
bad jokes.
here is a list of Cohans for you to learn and meditate on, especially if you are that particular west coast flavor called jewBu or Jewish buddhist.
If there is no self, whose arthritis is this?
Be here now.
Be someplace else later.
Is that so complicated?
Drink tea and nourish life;
with the first sip, joy;
with the second sip, satisfaction;
with the third sip, peace;
with the fourth, a Danish.
Wherever you go, there you are.
Your luggage is another story.
Accept misfortune as a blessing.
Do not wish for perfect health, or a life without
problems.
What would you talk about?
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a
single Oy.
There is no escaping karma.
In a previous life,
you never called,
you never wrote,
you never visited.
And whose fault was that?
Zen is not easy.
It takes effort to attain nothingness.
And then what do you have?
Bupkis.
The Tao does not speak.
The Tao does not blame.
The Tao does not take sides.
The Tao has no expectations.
TheTao demands nothing of others.
The Tao is not Jewish.
Breathe in.
Breathe out.
Breathe in.
Breathe out.
Forget this and attaining Enlightenment will be the
least of your problems.
Let your mind be as a floating cloud.
Let your stillness be as a wooded glen.
And sit up straight.
You'll never meet the Buddha with such rounded
shoulders.
Deep inside you are ten thousand flowers.
Each flower blossoms ten thousand times.
Each blossom has ten thousand petals.
You might want to see a specialist.
Be aware of your body.
Be aware of your perceptions.
Keep in mind that not every physical sensation is a
symptom of a terminal illness.
The Torah says,
Love your neighbor as yourself.
The Buddha says,
There is no self.
So, maybe we're off the hook.
there, don't you feel better now?
i know, it's a curse, a stain, a blemish even that i use the one weapon that jews hold superiority in.
bad jokes.
here is a list of Cohans for you to learn and meditate on, especially if you are that particular west coast flavor called jewBu or Jewish buddhist.
If there is no self, whose arthritis is this?
Be here now.
Be someplace else later.
Is that so complicated?
Drink tea and nourish life;
with the first sip, joy;
with the second sip, satisfaction;
with the third sip, peace;
with the fourth, a Danish.
Wherever you go, there you are.
Your luggage is another story.
Accept misfortune as a blessing.
Do not wish for perfect health, or a life without
problems.
What would you talk about?
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a
single Oy.
There is no escaping karma.
In a previous life,
you never called,
you never wrote,
you never visited.
And whose fault was that?
Zen is not easy.
It takes effort to attain nothingness.
And then what do you have?
Bupkis.
The Tao does not speak.
The Tao does not blame.
The Tao does not take sides.
The Tao has no expectations.
TheTao demands nothing of others.
The Tao is not Jewish.
Breathe in.
Breathe out.
Breathe in.
Breathe out.
Forget this and attaining Enlightenment will be the
least of your problems.
Let your mind be as a floating cloud.
Let your stillness be as a wooded glen.
And sit up straight.
You'll never meet the Buddha with such rounded
shoulders.
Deep inside you are ten thousand flowers.
Each flower blossoms ten thousand times.
Each blossom has ten thousand petals.
You might want to see a specialist.
Be aware of your body.
Be aware of your perceptions.
Keep in mind that not every physical sensation is a
symptom of a terminal illness.
The Torah says,
Love your neighbor as yourself.
The Buddha says,
There is no self.
So, maybe we're off the hook.
there, don't you feel better now?
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I know that this thread is seriously lacking in humor. I can't think of anything funny to say when millions of people are being killed, maimed and displaced. There is NOTHING funny about human butchery.
"Ministry of Propaganda, beating the war drums for the U.S. government."
In line with its policy of nuclear transparency, Iran announced the construction of a second enrichment plant in a letter to the UN nuclear watchdog on September 21. The new plant is due to produce enriched uranium up to 5 percent.
"The UN nuclear watchdog in its previous reports has confirmed that Iran only enriches uranium-235 to a level of "less than 5 percent."
"Uranium, which fuels a nuclear power plant, can be used for military purposes only if enriched to high levels of above 90 percent. "
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=10 ... =351020104
Another War (for Israel) in the Works
". All 16 U.S. intelligence agencies have affirmed and reaffirmed that Iran abandoned interest in nuclear weapons years ago."
"In keeping with the safeguards agreement that the IAEA be informed before an enrichment facility comes online, Iran informed the IAEA on Sept. 21 that it had a new nuclear facility under construction"
":Despite these unequivocal facts, Obama announced on Sept. 25 that Iran has been caught with a “secret nuclear facilityâ€
"Ministry of Propaganda, beating the war drums for the U.S. government."
In line with its policy of nuclear transparency, Iran announced the construction of a second enrichment plant in a letter to the UN nuclear watchdog on September 21. The new plant is due to produce enriched uranium up to 5 percent.
"The UN nuclear watchdog in its previous reports has confirmed that Iran only enriches uranium-235 to a level of "less than 5 percent."
"Uranium, which fuels a nuclear power plant, can be used for military purposes only if enriched to high levels of above 90 percent. "
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=10 ... =351020104
Another War (for Israel) in the Works
". All 16 U.S. intelligence agencies have affirmed and reaffirmed that Iran abandoned interest in nuclear weapons years ago."
"In keeping with the safeguards agreement that the IAEA be informed before an enrichment facility comes online, Iran informed the IAEA on Sept. 21 that it had a new nuclear facility under construction"
":Despite these unequivocal facts, Obama announced on Sept. 25 that Iran has been caught with a “secret nuclear facilityâ€
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"10. The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish)"
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... Israel.php
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... Israel.php
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Wow, I wonder why I chose not to read this thread. I think religion is a distraction to mankind....and everyone in the middle east, is fucking crazy. I used to feel sympathetic towards the israelis....and then I felt sympathetic towards the palestinians...now, I just dont fucking care.
anything worth doing is worth overdoing..
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Tom, John Lennon had it right when he wrote "Imagine" Imagine a world where there aren't any politics, religion, countries, poverty, etc.
That day will never appear as long as we continue to use Darwinian-driven extermination to eliminate weaker groups. There is no other reason for all the killing.
That day will never appear as long as we continue to use Darwinian-driven extermination to eliminate weaker groups. There is no other reason for all the killing.
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I've been saying something similar since I've been on eplaya.can't sit still wrote:Tom, John Lennon had it right when he wrote "Imagine" Imagine a world where there aren't any politics, religion, countries, poverty, etc.
That day will never appear as long as we continue to use Darwinian-driven extermination to eliminate weaker groups. There is no other reason for all the killing.
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Stupid fucking religions.
Stupid fucking patriotisms.
Stupid fucking causes.
Stupic fucking conflicts and wars all over the world...
"There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong...
...What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side...
...Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away"
Stupid fucking patriotisms.
Stupid fucking causes.
Stupic fucking conflicts and wars all over the world...
"There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong...
...What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side...
...Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away"
Live & learn... as you watch your bridges burn... from the point of no return
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Israel's vile anti-miscegenation squads
When the police lend support to vigilante groups hounding Jewish-Arab couples, what hope is there for coexistence?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ab-couples
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o Seth Freedman
o guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 29 September 2009 17.00 BST
o Article history
Whilst the proliferation of ultra-orthodox "vigilante police" is a stain on Israeli society, their Taliban-esque actions can at least be contextualised as the inevitable consequence of religious fundamentalism gone wild. Such communities are dominated by leaders who refuse to accommodate any form of modernisation or freedom of thought into their archaic systems of governance, and the emergence of "modesty squads" is simply a manifestation of such primitive and patriarchal thinking.
Regardless of the reasons behind their appearance, the groups should not be tolerated by Israel's leaders, as they contravene the most basic human rights of the state's citizens. Israeli lawmakers have a duty to clamp down hard on the mobs' extrajudicial activities, in order to prevent a localised problem spreading from isolated religious strongholds into the rest of the country's towns and cities.
Yet the ultra-orthodox enforcers have good reason to challenge any efforts to rein in their sheriff's posses, given that the example set by several Israeli municipalities implies that what is sauce for the religious goose is sauce for the secular gander. While the local authorities in Petah Tikva, Kiryat Gat and elsewhere aren't sanctioning all-out violence against girls deemed behaving inappropriately, their modus operandi is no different in intent – and the targets of their self-righteous rage no more deserving of punishment – than the girls in Meah Shearim opting out of the ultra-restrictive dress code.
According to reports in the Israeli press:
A special team in the youth department of the Petah Tikva municipality will locate [Jewish] girls in the habit of meeting with men from minorities and will assist them … 'The problem of minority men is well-known,' said the chief of the youth department, Moshe Spektor. 'Our attempts to deal with this problem are real and sincere. The municipality is making an effort to examine the matter in co-operation with the police'.
Of course, the minority in question is the Arab community – rather than any of the Jewish minorities in Israel such as those hailing from Ethiopia, Russia or South America – since it is the spectre of intermarriage between Jews and gentiles which is the cause of such abject fear among diehard Israeli nationalists, both religious and secular alike. As reported in Ha'aretz, Kiryat Gat's state-sanctioned anti-miscegenation programme's sole aim is preventing Jewish girls from becoming romantically involved with Israeli Bedouin:
The programme enjoys the support of the municipality and the police, and is headed by Kiryat Gat's welfare representative, who goes to schools to warn girls of the "exploitative Arabs". The programme uses a video entitled "Sleeping with the Enemy," which features a local police officer and a woman from the Anti-Assimilation Department, a wing of the religious organisation Yad L'ahim, which works to prevent Jewish girls from dating Muslim men.
Many Jews in Israel and the diaspora frown upon the idea of their children marrying out of the flock, some even going as far as cutting their children out of their wills and mourning them as though they had died should they take a non-Jewish partner for a spouse. While this is by no means restricted to the Jewish faith, the idea of such proscriptions being incorporated at state level – whether against Jews, Muslims or any other category of "undesirables" – is racism reminiscent of the dark days of segregationist America and pre-enlightened European states.
This week, the Times carried an illustrative and disturbing feature on the Israeli phenomenon, demonstrating the unabashed bigotry of those behind the purity patrols:
[David's] group, which works with police, goes by several names, including Fire for Judaism, is composed of up to 45 men and funded by private donations. Members say they are fighting a 'growing epidemic' of Arab-Jewish dating and spend as many hours as they can on patrol.
Similar groups have formed across the country ... In Pisgat Ze'ev, the growing number of Arab-Jewish couples is seen as the result of more Jewish settlements in Arab east Jerusalem.
'The problem is always with Jewish girls dating Arab men. The Arab guy comes and buys them things, treats them well. They fall for it. They can't see what they are doing,' says David.
The article goes on to describe a car chase, which ensues after David spots a "problem couple" driving in a car full of Arab men. He follows them through winding mountain roads, before taking down the car's number plate and reporting the incident to police.
That the police would even deign to co-operate with such poisonous and prejudiced characters and their fantasies of racial purity is indicative of the malaise gripping certain sectors of Israeli society, both at street and state level.
Whatever the more blinkered supporters of Israel's sectarianism say, day after day more evidence piles up attesting to the shocking reality behind Israel's mask of being a tolerant, equitable and democratic "country of all its citizens". The likes of the modesty patrols and the anti-miscegenation squads belong in the furthest recesses of history, yet apparently the Israeli authorities are not only happy to tolerate their presence, but to actively support their work as well.
Were the shoe to be on the other foot, with Jews singled out for such base racial discrimination, the same people supporting such behaviour now against Arabs would rightly be up in arms and demanding justice in the name of the persecuted. But, of course, this is Israel, and therefore somehow "different" and "unique" – the standard retorts of those unable to defend Israeli crimes with any semblance of rational debate. And while they continue banging their drums to drown out any criticism of the Israeli state, at ground level the divisive and destructive behaviour continues, and another nail is driven into the coffin of coexistence in the Holy Land.
When the police lend support to vigilante groups hounding Jewish-Arab couples, what hope is there for coexistence?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ab-couples
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o Seth Freedman
o guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 29 September 2009 17.00 BST
o Article history
Whilst the proliferation of ultra-orthodox "vigilante police" is a stain on Israeli society, their Taliban-esque actions can at least be contextualised as the inevitable consequence of religious fundamentalism gone wild. Such communities are dominated by leaders who refuse to accommodate any form of modernisation or freedom of thought into their archaic systems of governance, and the emergence of "modesty squads" is simply a manifestation of such primitive and patriarchal thinking.
Regardless of the reasons behind their appearance, the groups should not be tolerated by Israel's leaders, as they contravene the most basic human rights of the state's citizens. Israeli lawmakers have a duty to clamp down hard on the mobs' extrajudicial activities, in order to prevent a localised problem spreading from isolated religious strongholds into the rest of the country's towns and cities.
Yet the ultra-orthodox enforcers have good reason to challenge any efforts to rein in their sheriff's posses, given that the example set by several Israeli municipalities implies that what is sauce for the religious goose is sauce for the secular gander. While the local authorities in Petah Tikva, Kiryat Gat and elsewhere aren't sanctioning all-out violence against girls deemed behaving inappropriately, their modus operandi is no different in intent – and the targets of their self-righteous rage no more deserving of punishment – than the girls in Meah Shearim opting out of the ultra-restrictive dress code.
According to reports in the Israeli press:
A special team in the youth department of the Petah Tikva municipality will locate [Jewish] girls in the habit of meeting with men from minorities and will assist them … 'The problem of minority men is well-known,' said the chief of the youth department, Moshe Spektor. 'Our attempts to deal with this problem are real and sincere. The municipality is making an effort to examine the matter in co-operation with the police'.
Of course, the minority in question is the Arab community – rather than any of the Jewish minorities in Israel such as those hailing from Ethiopia, Russia or South America – since it is the spectre of intermarriage between Jews and gentiles which is the cause of such abject fear among diehard Israeli nationalists, both religious and secular alike. As reported in Ha'aretz, Kiryat Gat's state-sanctioned anti-miscegenation programme's sole aim is preventing Jewish girls from becoming romantically involved with Israeli Bedouin:
The programme enjoys the support of the municipality and the police, and is headed by Kiryat Gat's welfare representative, who goes to schools to warn girls of the "exploitative Arabs". The programme uses a video entitled "Sleeping with the Enemy," which features a local police officer and a woman from the Anti-Assimilation Department, a wing of the religious organisation Yad L'ahim, which works to prevent Jewish girls from dating Muslim men.
Many Jews in Israel and the diaspora frown upon the idea of their children marrying out of the flock, some even going as far as cutting their children out of their wills and mourning them as though they had died should they take a non-Jewish partner for a spouse. While this is by no means restricted to the Jewish faith, the idea of such proscriptions being incorporated at state level – whether against Jews, Muslims or any other category of "undesirables" – is racism reminiscent of the dark days of segregationist America and pre-enlightened European states.
This week, the Times carried an illustrative and disturbing feature on the Israeli phenomenon, demonstrating the unabashed bigotry of those behind the purity patrols:
[David's] group, which works with police, goes by several names, including Fire for Judaism, is composed of up to 45 men and funded by private donations. Members say they are fighting a 'growing epidemic' of Arab-Jewish dating and spend as many hours as they can on patrol.
Similar groups have formed across the country ... In Pisgat Ze'ev, the growing number of Arab-Jewish couples is seen as the result of more Jewish settlements in Arab east Jerusalem.
'The problem is always with Jewish girls dating Arab men. The Arab guy comes and buys them things, treats them well. They fall for it. They can't see what they are doing,' says David.
The article goes on to describe a car chase, which ensues after David spots a "problem couple" driving in a car full of Arab men. He follows them through winding mountain roads, before taking down the car's number plate and reporting the incident to police.
That the police would even deign to co-operate with such poisonous and prejudiced characters and their fantasies of racial purity is indicative of the malaise gripping certain sectors of Israeli society, both at street and state level.
Whatever the more blinkered supporters of Israel's sectarianism say, day after day more evidence piles up attesting to the shocking reality behind Israel's mask of being a tolerant, equitable and democratic "country of all its citizens". The likes of the modesty patrols and the anti-miscegenation squads belong in the furthest recesses of history, yet apparently the Israeli authorities are not only happy to tolerate their presence, but to actively support their work as well.
Were the shoe to be on the other foot, with Jews singled out for such base racial discrimination, the same people supporting such behaviour now against Arabs would rightly be up in arms and demanding justice in the name of the persecuted. But, of course, this is Israel, and therefore somehow "different" and "unique" – the standard retorts of those unable to defend Israeli crimes with any semblance of rational debate. And while they continue banging their drums to drown out any criticism of the Israeli state, at ground level the divisive and destructive behaviour continues, and another nail is driven into the coffin of coexistence in the Holy Land.
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The very latest news of what Isreal is up to.
Palestinians barred from Old City
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 56846.html
Israeli police have barred Palestinians protesting in defence of the al-Aqsa mosque compound from gaining access to Jerusalem's Old City.
Friday's increased restrictions on the mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem followed a series of clashes that started late last month.
Men under the age of 50 were prevented from accessing the mosque for the past six days.
Towards the end of Friday, Israel lifted its curfew, but for most of the day several hundred Palestinians were denied entry to the mosque.
Many performed Friday prayers just outside the gates of the Old City, while the heavily armed Israeli police deployed extra troops.
Palestinian leaders called for a one-day strike, as some suggested that the Israeli actions could spark a third uprising, or intifada, against the occupation.
Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president who heads the Fatah movement, called the strike "to peacefully protest".
'Holy places'
The protest also sought to "proclaim the attachment of the Palestinian people to their holy places and to Jerusalem as the eternal capital of the independent Palestinian state".
in depth
Jerusalem's religious heart
Jerusalem's myriad divisions
Redefining the holy city's past
Video: Praying for al-Aqsa access
Video: Jerusalem remains an obstacle
Fatah accused Israeli forces of allowing rightwing Jewish extremists to enter the mosque compound while denying access to Muslims.
Security forces set up checkpoints around and within the Old City and were seen turning back Palestinians who do not live or work there.
But they were allowing in tourists and Jews wanting to pray at the Western Wall - also known as the Wailing Wall - just below the mosque compound.
Most shops in the Old City shut down, though some shop-owners complained about the strike.
"We need to strengthen our presence in Jerusalem, not weaken it," said Ramdan Abu Sbeeh, 32, a sweets-seller who defied the strike call.
A senior police official told public radio: "We have deployed thousands of people in Jerusalem and in the north of Israel following incitation by extremists."
Israeli police have accused the Islamic Movement of inciting tension and this week briefly detained its leader, Sheikh Raed Salah, whom they said had made "inflammatory statements".
Salah, who previously spent two years in Israeli prison, has repeatedly called in recent days for Muslims to "defend" al-Aqsa against Israel.
Ongoing clashes
Sherine Tadros, Al Jazeera's correspondent in East Jerusalem, said: "Despite the heavy police presence around the Old City we have still been hearing of skirmishes and clashes taking place around occupied East Jerusalem.
"We've also heard of a brewing situation taking place not far from the Old City where dozens of Palestinian protesters have been clashing for more than an hour with Israeli police forces. There are at least four Palestinians and five Israeli soldiers who were injured in those clashes. The protesters were subjected to tear gas by the Israeli police, that situation we are hearing has calmed down.
"All of these protests and skirmishes have been taking place today, as they have been throughout last week, because of Israel's continued restrictions on the al-Aqsa mosque. This has caused outrage not just in the territories but across the Muslim world.
"The Palestinians say it is yet another example of Israel asserting its occupation and presence here in the Old City. The Israelis are saying this is simply a security measure to keep the area safe," she said.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 56846.html
Israeli police have barred Palestinians protesting in defence of the al-Aqsa mosque compound from gaining access to Jerusalem's Old City.
Friday's increased restrictions on the mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem followed a series of clashes that started late last month.
Men under the age of 50 were prevented from accessing the mosque for the past six days.
Towards the end of Friday, Israel lifted its curfew, but for most of the day several hundred Palestinians were denied entry to the mosque.
Many performed Friday prayers just outside the gates of the Old City, while the heavily armed Israeli police deployed extra troops.
Palestinian leaders called for a one-day strike, as some suggested that the Israeli actions could spark a third uprising, or intifada, against the occupation.
Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president who heads the Fatah movement, called the strike "to peacefully protest".
'Holy places'
The protest also sought to "proclaim the attachment of the Palestinian people to their holy places and to Jerusalem as the eternal capital of the independent Palestinian state".
in depth
Jerusalem's religious heart
Jerusalem's myriad divisions
Redefining the holy city's past
Video: Praying for al-Aqsa access
Video: Jerusalem remains an obstacle
Fatah accused Israeli forces of allowing rightwing Jewish extremists to enter the mosque compound while denying access to Muslims.
Security forces set up checkpoints around and within the Old City and were seen turning back Palestinians who do not live or work there.
But they were allowing in tourists and Jews wanting to pray at the Western Wall - also known as the Wailing Wall - just below the mosque compound.
Most shops in the Old City shut down, though some shop-owners complained about the strike.
"We need to strengthen our presence in Jerusalem, not weaken it," said Ramdan Abu Sbeeh, 32, a sweets-seller who defied the strike call.
A senior police official told public radio: "We have deployed thousands of people in Jerusalem and in the north of Israel following incitation by extremists."
Israeli police have accused the Islamic Movement of inciting tension and this week briefly detained its leader, Sheikh Raed Salah, whom they said had made "inflammatory statements".
Salah, who previously spent two years in Israeli prison, has repeatedly called in recent days for Muslims to "defend" al-Aqsa against Israel.
Ongoing clashes
Sherine Tadros, Al Jazeera's correspondent in East Jerusalem, said: "Despite the heavy police presence around the Old City we have still been hearing of skirmishes and clashes taking place around occupied East Jerusalem.
"We've also heard of a brewing situation taking place not far from the Old City where dozens of Palestinian protesters have been clashing for more than an hour with Israeli police forces. There are at least four Palestinians and five Israeli soldiers who were injured in those clashes. The protesters were subjected to tear gas by the Israeli police, that situation we are hearing has calmed down.
"All of these protests and skirmishes have been taking place today, as they have been throughout last week, because of Israel's continued restrictions on the al-Aqsa mosque. This has caused outrage not just in the territories but across the Muslim world.
"The Palestinians say it is yet another example of Israel asserting its occupation and presence here in the Old City. The Israelis are saying this is simply a security measure to keep the area safe," she said.
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Originally Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:42 pm
DVD Burner wrote:Wrong again.littleflower wrote:you wanna talk apartheid, DVD?
the only palestinians who do not live under apartheid are those living in israel or the west.
How do you explain this: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/ ... 9723.shtml
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UN Council Adopts Goldstone Report
Today, 11:44 AM
By Lisa Schlein
Geneva
16 October 2009
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The 47-member UN Human Rights Council has adopted a resolution on the so-called "Goldstone report", which accuses both Israel and Hamas militants of war crimes committed during the 22-day Gaza conflict last December and January. The resolution was passed by a vote of 25 in favor. The six countries that voted against it include the United States and several European countries.
The resolution tabled by the Palestinians endorses the 575-page report of the Goldstone fact-finding mission and calls for it to be sent to the UN General Assembly for its urgent consideration.
The report recommends both Israel and Hamas conduct investigations into alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity. And, if they fail to do so within six months, it says the UN Security Council should turn the matter over to the International Criminal Court.
Just two weeks ago, the UN Human Rights Council deferred a vote on the controversial Goldstone Report on Gaza until its next session in March. But, under intense domestic criticism, the Palestinians decided to reopen the issue.
Judge Richard Goldstone, from South Africa, Head of the UN Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, speaks during a press conference in Geneva, Switzerland, 07 Jul 2009
Judge Richard Goldstone, from South Africa, Head of the UN Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, speaks during a press conference in Geneva, Switzerland, 07 Jul 2009
The United States, which had engineered the deferral of the resolution, expressed its disappointment at the outcome of the session. In casting his vote against the resolution, US envoy, Douglas Griffiths, calls the report unbalanced and unfair to Israel.
"This resolution goes far beyond even the initial scope of the Goldstone Report into a discussion of elements that should be resolved in the context of permanent status negotiations between the Palestinians and the Israelis," said Griffiths.
Griffiths is referring to the body of the resolution, which strongly condemns all policies and measures taken by Israel, the occupying power, including those limiting access of Palestinians to their properties and holy sites.
"Moreover, we reiterate that the report and this resolution failed to deal adequately with the asymmetric nature of this conflict," he said. "While Justice Goldstone acknowledged Hamas' crimes, in examining Israel's response sufficient weight was not given to the difficulties faced in fighting this kind of enemy in this environment."
Israeli Ambassador, Leshno Yaar, calls the resolution imbalanced and misused. He notes the resolution makes no mention of the rockets launched on Israel by the Palestinians, but only makes allegations against Israel.
"What do I tell Israelis about this special session? How to explain that politics, domestic agendas and in some cases, sheer cynicism have won out," asked Yaar. "That the real issues facing Israel's decision makers-how to move forward and try to make peace while protecting the people of Israel from real and present dangers-just do not interest a majority of the members of this Council."
The Israeli ambassador accuses the Council and the report it endorses of offering no solution to fighting against terrorism for democracies that are forced to act in self-defense. He warns the peace process with the Palestinians will be harmed if the United Nations pursues the report.
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By Lisa Schlein
Geneva
16 October 2009
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-10-16-voa17.cfm
The 47-member UN Human Rights Council has adopted a resolution on the so-called "Goldstone report", which accuses both Israel and Hamas militants of war crimes committed during the 22-day Gaza conflict last December and January. The resolution was passed by a vote of 25 in favor. The six countries that voted against it include the United States and several European countries.
The resolution tabled by the Palestinians endorses the 575-page report of the Goldstone fact-finding mission and calls for it to be sent to the UN General Assembly for its urgent consideration.
The report recommends both Israel and Hamas conduct investigations into alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity. And, if they fail to do so within six months, it says the UN Security Council should turn the matter over to the International Criminal Court.
Just two weeks ago, the UN Human Rights Council deferred a vote on the controversial Goldstone Report on Gaza until its next session in March. But, under intense domestic criticism, the Palestinians decided to reopen the issue.
Judge Richard Goldstone, from South Africa, Head of the UN Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, speaks during a press conference in Geneva, Switzerland, 07 Jul 2009
Judge Richard Goldstone, from South Africa, Head of the UN Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, speaks during a press conference in Geneva, Switzerland, 07 Jul 2009
The United States, which had engineered the deferral of the resolution, expressed its disappointment at the outcome of the session. In casting his vote against the resolution, US envoy, Douglas Griffiths, calls the report unbalanced and unfair to Israel.
"This resolution goes far beyond even the initial scope of the Goldstone Report into a discussion of elements that should be resolved in the context of permanent status negotiations between the Palestinians and the Israelis," said Griffiths.
Griffiths is referring to the body of the resolution, which strongly condemns all policies and measures taken by Israel, the occupying power, including those limiting access of Palestinians to their properties and holy sites.
"Moreover, we reiterate that the report and this resolution failed to deal adequately with the asymmetric nature of this conflict," he said. "While Justice Goldstone acknowledged Hamas' crimes, in examining Israel's response sufficient weight was not given to the difficulties faced in fighting this kind of enemy in this environment."
Israeli Ambassador, Leshno Yaar, calls the resolution imbalanced and misused. He notes the resolution makes no mention of the rockets launched on Israel by the Palestinians, but only makes allegations against Israel.
"What do I tell Israelis about this special session? How to explain that politics, domestic agendas and in some cases, sheer cynicism have won out," asked Yaar. "That the real issues facing Israel's decision makers-how to move forward and try to make peace while protecting the people of Israel from real and present dangers-just do not interest a majority of the members of this Council."
The Israeli ambassador accuses the Council and the report it endorses of offering no solution to fighting against terrorism for democracies that are forced to act in self-defense. He warns the peace process with the Palestinians will be harmed if the United Nations pursues the report.
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We hope UN vote leads to prosecution of Israeli occupation'
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By Haarets Service and News Agencies
Hamas on Friday welcomed the United Nations Human Rights Council decision to endorse a Gaza report that accused Israel of committing war crimes, saying that the organization hoped the vote would lead to "the beginning of the prosecution of the leaders of the occupation."
"The Palestinian government welcomes the endorsement on the Goldstone report and thanks the friendly countries which voted in favor of the report," Hamas spokesman Taher al-Nono said.
Nabil Abu Rudeinah, a spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, added that what was needed was a follow-up on implementation of the recommandations in the report, "to protect the Palestinian people from Israeli aggression."
"The most important thing now is to continue with steps to make sure that the Zionist criminals are brought to trial," said another Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri.
During the UN Human Rights Council session Friday, several countries condemned Israel over the findings stated in the 575-page long report which accuses Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas of war crimes during Israel's December-January Gaza offensive.
The Palestinian UN delegate said during the session that "Israel denies Palestinians basic human rights and this issue cannot be compromised."
Israel's Foreign Ministry issued an official response to the UN vote, saying that "Israel rejects the unjust decision by the Human Rights Council in Geneva."
"Israel will continue to exercise its right to self defense and to preserve the security of its citizens," the ministry statement continued. "However, Israel believes that the decision harms efforts to protect human rights in accordance with international law and hinders efforts to promote the peace process as well as encouraging terror organizations around the world."
Jerusalem sources maintain that there a marked improvement can be seen in Friday's UN Human Rights Council, in comparison to the initial vote to establish the Goldstone commission, which investigated Israel's and Hamas' conduct during the war, and subsequently compiled the damning report.
"However," the ministry statement said, "Israel still feels that the UNHRC decision was one-sided."
"Israel thanks the countries that supported our position, and those who, with their vote, voiced their opposition to the unjust decision which ignores the murderous Hamas attacks against Israeli citizens," the statement continued. "The decision ignores the fact that the Israel Defense Forces took unprecedented measures to avoid harming innocent civilians, and the fact that terror organizations used civilians as human shields in Gaza."
Former foreign minister and opposition leader Tzipi Livni also issued a response to the vote, saying that "since the inception of the Human Rights Council, it has viewed Israel in a distorted fashion, just as the report itself does. Today's vote was political and cynical. Israel will continue to do the right thing and to protect its citizens, and will continue the international battle against the report to ensure the legal protection of IDF officers, wherever they may be."
Israeli Arab MK Ahmed Tibi accepted the council's decision and said that the adoption of the report's findings was an important ethical and legal decision.
"It is wrong to leave an entire population without the protection of the UN and the international community, who have now regained their honor," Tibi said.
Shas Chairman Eli Yishai condemned the UN council's decision calling it an anti-Israel decision based on an anti-Israel report.
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Today, 10:12 AM
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Last update - 16:51 16/10/2009
By Haarets Service and News Agencies
Hamas on Friday welcomed the United Nations Human Rights Council decision to endorse a Gaza report that accused Israel of committing war crimes, saying that the organization hoped the vote would lead to "the beginning of the prosecution of the leaders of the occupation."
"The Palestinian government welcomes the endorsement on the Goldstone report and thanks the friendly countries which voted in favor of the report," Hamas spokesman Taher al-Nono said.
Nabil Abu Rudeinah, a spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, added that what was needed was a follow-up on implementation of the recommandations in the report, "to protect the Palestinian people from Israeli aggression."
"The most important thing now is to continue with steps to make sure that the Zionist criminals are brought to trial," said another Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri.
During the UN Human Rights Council session Friday, several countries condemned Israel over the findings stated in the 575-page long report which accuses Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas of war crimes during Israel's December-January Gaza offensive.
The Palestinian UN delegate said during the session that "Israel denies Palestinians basic human rights and this issue cannot be compromised."
Israel's Foreign Ministry issued an official response to the UN vote, saying that "Israel rejects the unjust decision by the Human Rights Council in Geneva."
"Israel will continue to exercise its right to self defense and to preserve the security of its citizens," the ministry statement continued. "However, Israel believes that the decision harms efforts to protect human rights in accordance with international law and hinders efforts to promote the peace process as well as encouraging terror organizations around the world."
Jerusalem sources maintain that there a marked improvement can be seen in Friday's UN Human Rights Council, in comparison to the initial vote to establish the Goldstone commission, which investigated Israel's and Hamas' conduct during the war, and subsequently compiled the damning report.
"However," the ministry statement said, "Israel still feels that the UNHRC decision was one-sided."
"Israel thanks the countries that supported our position, and those who, with their vote, voiced their opposition to the unjust decision which ignores the murderous Hamas attacks against Israeli citizens," the statement continued. "The decision ignores the fact that the Israel Defense Forces took unprecedented measures to avoid harming innocent civilians, and the fact that terror organizations used civilians as human shields in Gaza."
Former foreign minister and opposition leader Tzipi Livni also issued a response to the vote, saying that "since the inception of the Human Rights Council, it has viewed Israel in a distorted fashion, just as the report itself does. Today's vote was political and cynical. Israel will continue to do the right thing and to protect its citizens, and will continue the international battle against the report to ensure the legal protection of IDF officers, wherever they may be."
Israeli Arab MK Ahmed Tibi accepted the council's decision and said that the adoption of the report's findings was an important ethical and legal decision.
"It is wrong to leave an entire population without the protection of the UN and the international community, who have now regained their honor," Tibi said.
Shas Chairman Eli Yishai condemned the UN council's decision calling it an anti-Israel decision based on an anti-Israel report.
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