Has the U.S. Army ruined glow-sticks for you?
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Has the U.S. Army ruined glow-sticks for you?
It just doesn't seem "in the spirit of burning man."
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JPEGs?
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What ruined glowsticks for me was prying dozens of them out of the playa after your art festival was over. Guess I'll be recommending nitrile gloves for the crew this year.
Amazing desert structures & stuff: http://sites.google.com/site/potatotrap/
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I have no problem with the use of glowsticks amonst consenting adults, and do not believe it should be legislated
... but then I thought... "What if the IRS decided to use these things? Is this how they would use them?" And since the IRS, like other branches of the government, doesn't care if you consent or not, I just got a real creepy feeling...
"Time for your Audit, Dr. Tzu..."
Aaaiiiieeeee!!!!
Sam
... but then I thought... "What if the IRS decided to use these things? Is this how they would use them?" And since the IRS, like other branches of the government, doesn't care if you consent or not, I just got a real creepy feeling...
"Time for your Audit, Dr. Tzu..."
Aaaiiiieeeee!!!!
Sam
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They are protecting us... They can show pieces of bodies blown to shit and back, but a glow stick protruding from an ass is too gruesome.
Now... if it was Rumsfeld's ass?
:twisted:
Sam
Now... if it was Rumsfeld's ass?
:twisted:
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hmmmmm?????
"I'll call your glow-sticks, embarrassing photos/videos and raise you a beheading..."
Video Seems to Show Beheading of American
By NIKO PRICE, Associated Press Writer
CAIRO, Egypt - A video posted Tuesday on an Islamic militant Web site showed the beheading of an American civilian in Iraq, and said the execution was carried out by an al-Qaida affiliated group to revenge the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers.
The video showed five men wearing headscarves and black ski masks, standing over a bound man in an orange jumpsuit — similar to a prisoner's uniform — who identified himself as Nick Berg, a U.S. contractor whose body was found on a highway overpass in Baghdad on Saturday.
"My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is Susan," the man said on the video. "I have a brother and sister, David and Sarah. I live in ... Philadelphia."
After reading a statement, the men were seen pulling the man to his side and putting a large knife to his neck. A scream sounded as the men cut his head off, shouting "Allahu Akbar!" — "God is great." They then held the head out before the camera.
Berg's family said Tuesday they knew their son had been decapitated, but didn't know the details of the killing. When told of the video by an Associated Press reporter, Berg's father, Michael, and his two siblings hugged and cried.
"I knew he was decapitated before. That manner is preferable to a long and torturous death. But I didn't want it to become public," Michael Berg said.
On the Web site, one of the executioners read a statement:
"For the mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the U.S. administration to exchange this hostage with some of the detainees in Abu Ghraib and they refused."
"So we tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins ... slaughtered in this way."
The video bore the title "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American." It was unclear whether al-Zarqawi — a lieutenant of Osama bin Laden — was shown in the video, or was claiming responsibility for ordering the execution.
The Web site on which the video was posted is known as a clearing house for al-Qaida and Islamic extremist groups' statements and tapes. An audiotape purportedly from bin Laden — which the CIA said was probably authentic — appeared on the same Web site last week.
Western officials say al-Zarqawi, whose real name is Ahmad Fadhil al-Khalayleh, is a lieutenant of bin Laden. The United States has offered $10 million for information leading to the capture or killing of al-Zarqawi, saying he is trying to build a network of foreign militants in Iraq to work for al-Qaida.
In the video, the speaker threatened both President Bush and Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf.
"As for you Bush ... expect severe days. You and your soldiers will regret the day you stepped into the land of Iraq," he said. He described Musharraf as "a traitor agent."
The slaying recalled the kidnapping and videotaped beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in 2002 in Pakistan. Four Islamic militants have been convicted of kidnapping Pearl, but seven other suspects — including those who allegedly slit his throat — remain at large.
Suzanne Berg, the mother of the 26-year-old Berg, of West Chester, Pa., said her son was in Iraq as an independent businessman to help rebuild communication antennas. He had been missing since April 9, she said.
"He had this idea that he could help rebuild the infrastructure," she said.
The U.S. military Tuesday said an American civilian was found dead in Baghdad, but did not release his identity. State Department spokeswoman Susan Pittman said she couldn't release the name of the dead American, but said she not aware of more than one civilian found dead in recent days.
The military said there were signs of trauma to the body. Suzanne Berg said she was told her son's death was violent but did not want to discuss details.
Berg, who was in Baghdad from late December to Feb. 1, returned to Iraq in March. He didn't find any work and planned again to return home on March 30, but his daily communications home stopped on March 24. He later told his parents he was jailed by Iraqi officials at a checkpoint in Mosul.
"He was arrested and held without due process," his father, Michael Berg, told the Daily Local News of West Chester recently. "By the time he got out the whole area was inflamed with violence.
The FBI on March 31 interviewed Berg's parents in West Chester. Jerri Williams, a spokeswoman for the Philadelphia FBI office, told The Philadelphia Inquirer the agency had been "asked to interview the parents regarding Mr. Berg's purpose in Iraq."
On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day Berg was released. He told his parents he hadn't been mistreated.
The Bergs last heard from their son April 9, when he said he would come home by way of Jordan, Turkey or Kuwait. But by then, hostilities in Iraq had escalated.
Suzanne Berg on Tuesday said she was told her son's body would be transported to Kuwait and then to Dover, Del. She said the family had been trying for weeks to learn where their son was but that federal officials had not been helpful.
"I went through this with them for weeks," she said. "I basically ended up doing most of the investigating myself."
Video Seems to Show Beheading of American
By NIKO PRICE, Associated Press Writer
CAIRO, Egypt - A video posted Tuesday on an Islamic militant Web site showed the beheading of an American civilian in Iraq, and said the execution was carried out by an al-Qaida affiliated group to revenge the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers.
The video showed five men wearing headscarves and black ski masks, standing over a bound man in an orange jumpsuit — similar to a prisoner's uniform — who identified himself as Nick Berg, a U.S. contractor whose body was found on a highway overpass in Baghdad on Saturday.
"My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is Susan," the man said on the video. "I have a brother and sister, David and Sarah. I live in ... Philadelphia."
After reading a statement, the men were seen pulling the man to his side and putting a large knife to his neck. A scream sounded as the men cut his head off, shouting "Allahu Akbar!" — "God is great." They then held the head out before the camera.
Berg's family said Tuesday they knew their son had been decapitated, but didn't know the details of the killing. When told of the video by an Associated Press reporter, Berg's father, Michael, and his two siblings hugged and cried.
"I knew he was decapitated before. That manner is preferable to a long and torturous death. But I didn't want it to become public," Michael Berg said.
On the Web site, one of the executioners read a statement:
"For the mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the U.S. administration to exchange this hostage with some of the detainees in Abu Ghraib and they refused."
"So we tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins ... slaughtered in this way."
The video bore the title "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American." It was unclear whether al-Zarqawi — a lieutenant of Osama bin Laden — was shown in the video, or was claiming responsibility for ordering the execution.
The Web site on which the video was posted is known as a clearing house for al-Qaida and Islamic extremist groups' statements and tapes. An audiotape purportedly from bin Laden — which the CIA said was probably authentic — appeared on the same Web site last week.
Western officials say al-Zarqawi, whose real name is Ahmad Fadhil al-Khalayleh, is a lieutenant of bin Laden. The United States has offered $10 million for information leading to the capture or killing of al-Zarqawi, saying he is trying to build a network of foreign militants in Iraq to work for al-Qaida.
In the video, the speaker threatened both President Bush and Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf.
"As for you Bush ... expect severe days. You and your soldiers will regret the day you stepped into the land of Iraq," he said. He described Musharraf as "a traitor agent."
The slaying recalled the kidnapping and videotaped beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in 2002 in Pakistan. Four Islamic militants have been convicted of kidnapping Pearl, but seven other suspects — including those who allegedly slit his throat — remain at large.
Suzanne Berg, the mother of the 26-year-old Berg, of West Chester, Pa., said her son was in Iraq as an independent businessman to help rebuild communication antennas. He had been missing since April 9, she said.
"He had this idea that he could help rebuild the infrastructure," she said.
The U.S. military Tuesday said an American civilian was found dead in Baghdad, but did not release his identity. State Department spokeswoman Susan Pittman said she couldn't release the name of the dead American, but said she not aware of more than one civilian found dead in recent days.
The military said there were signs of trauma to the body. Suzanne Berg said she was told her son's death was violent but did not want to discuss details.
Berg, who was in Baghdad from late December to Feb. 1, returned to Iraq in March. He didn't find any work and planned again to return home on March 30, but his daily communications home stopped on March 24. He later told his parents he was jailed by Iraqi officials at a checkpoint in Mosul.
"He was arrested and held without due process," his father, Michael Berg, told the Daily Local News of West Chester recently. "By the time he got out the whole area was inflamed with violence.
The FBI on March 31 interviewed Berg's parents in West Chester. Jerri Williams, a spokeswoman for the Philadelphia FBI office, told The Philadelphia Inquirer the agency had been "asked to interview the parents regarding Mr. Berg's purpose in Iraq."
On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day Berg was released. He told his parents he hadn't been mistreated.
The Bergs last heard from their son April 9, when he said he would come home by way of Jordan, Turkey or Kuwait. But by then, hostilities in Iraq had escalated.
Suzanne Berg on Tuesday said she was told her son's body would be transported to Kuwait and then to Dover, Del. She said the family had been trying for weeks to learn where their son was but that federal officials had not been helpful.
"I went through this with them for weeks," she said. "I basically ended up doing most of the investigating myself."
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I assume you're joshing about "us", and I don't mean Joshua.blyslv wrote:Excellent, another tidbit that will allow us to do our part to perpetuate the cycle of violence World without end, Amen, Amen!
When I left the ranch last October, what was remarkable was the length and number of knives on people's belts. Sure puts glowsticks into perspective.
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No beheadings, only the rule of law...
Rumsfeld Denies Cover-Up of Iraq Prisoner Abuse
By Charles Aldinger
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld denied on Tuesday that the Pentagon fosters a "culture of cover-up" and said the military, not the media, reported the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. troops.
Rumsfeld, who has been supported by President Bush amid demands from some Democrats for his resignation, sharply defended the military's handling of the abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad that has shocked America and infuriated the Arab world.
"The military, not the media, discovered these abuses. The military reported the abuses, not the media," he told a town hall-style meeting of military and civilian workers at the Pentagon.
"One thing that appears reasonably certain, and that is that those who make allegations of a culture of deception, of intimidation or of cover-up need to be extremely careful about such accusations," said Rumsfeld, accused of being too slow to inform Bush and the U.S. Congress of the scandal.
"The facts so far demonstrate, to me at least, that from the enlisted ranks to the officer corps, when those (incidents of abuse) came to light, members of our armed forces immediately launched investigations and sought to uncover wrongdoing," he said.
Rumsfeld credited a low-ranking Army specialist soldier with reporting the abuse in January and triggering the first of a half-dozen current investigations by the Defense Department and Central Intelligence Agency.
"Whatever final conclusions about this matter might be, we need to bear in mind that we already know certain things about the system. And that's that a number of the people in it, far from being intimidated or afraid to do the right thing, in fact did the right thing," he said
Rumsfeld said that while the abuse, depicted in photographs of naked prisoners in humiliating poses, would be exploited by critics of the United States, "Those acts should not be allowed to define us in the eyes of the world or our own eyes."
He said it could take months in some cases to fully investigate all of the abuses and punish those responsible.
"Here at home, though we shudder at Abu Ghraib, remember that while we are seeing the excesses of human nature that humanity suffers, Americans live by the rule of law," he said. "And our military justice system is working."
Rumsfeld Denies Cover-Up of Iraq Prisoner Abuse
By Charles Aldinger
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld denied on Tuesday that the Pentagon fosters a "culture of cover-up" and said the military, not the media, reported the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. troops.
Rumsfeld, who has been supported by President Bush amid demands from some Democrats for his resignation, sharply defended the military's handling of the abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad that has shocked America and infuriated the Arab world.
"The military, not the media, discovered these abuses. The military reported the abuses, not the media," he told a town hall-style meeting of military and civilian workers at the Pentagon.
"One thing that appears reasonably certain, and that is that those who make allegations of a culture of deception, of intimidation or of cover-up need to be extremely careful about such accusations," said Rumsfeld, accused of being too slow to inform Bush and the U.S. Congress of the scandal.
"The facts so far demonstrate, to me at least, that from the enlisted ranks to the officer corps, when those (incidents of abuse) came to light, members of our armed forces immediately launched investigations and sought to uncover wrongdoing," he said.
Rumsfeld credited a low-ranking Army specialist soldier with reporting the abuse in January and triggering the first of a half-dozen current investigations by the Defense Department and Central Intelligence Agency.
"Whatever final conclusions about this matter might be, we need to bear in mind that we already know certain things about the system. And that's that a number of the people in it, far from being intimidated or afraid to do the right thing, in fact did the right thing," he said
Rumsfeld said that while the abuse, depicted in photographs of naked prisoners in humiliating poses, would be exploited by critics of the United States, "Those acts should not be allowed to define us in the eyes of the world or our own eyes."
He said it could take months in some cases to fully investigate all of the abuses and punish those responsible.
"Here at home, though we shudder at Abu Ghraib, remember that while we are seeing the excesses of human nature that humanity suffers, Americans live by the rule of law," he said. "And our military justice system is working."
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When people speak of 'social evolution', or the evolution of social concepts, I have to point back down the line of 'History' to thousands ( and, I am sure, tens of thousands) of years of atrocities. As a species we have not changed, and the beheading of that hapless contractor brings that out in clear relief. What happened to the Iraqi prisoners (from both before and after the American invasion) is horrible, and the response to it is more horror. Atilla, Gengis Kahn, The Romans, The Egyptians, The English, The French, The Italians, Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Chinese, Cambodians... It goes on...
Some day the asteroid will fall, and the dinosaurs will have some new roomates... us.
Sam
Some day the asteroid will fall, and the dinosaurs will have some new roomates... us.
Sam
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Pretty much the exact same treatment was accorded John Walker Lindh, btw.
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carbon based jelly dumb dumbs.samtzu wrote:When people speak of 'social evolution', or the evolution of social concepts, I have to point back down the line of 'History' to thousands ( and, I am sure, tens of thousands) of years of atrocities. As a species we have not changed, and the beheading of that hapless contractor brings that out in clear relief. What happened to the Iraqi prisoners (from both before and after the American invasion) is horrible, and the response to it is more horror. Atilla, Gengis Kahn, The Romans, The Egyptians, The English, The French, The Italians, Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Chinese, Cambodians... It goes on...
Some day the asteroid will fall, and the dinosaurs will have some new roomates... us.
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I realized, years ago, that every one of us who paid taxes at the time was responsible for financing the Vietnam War. IRS induced compliance; the "I was just following orders" excuse. But, as I pointed out earlier, if you refuse to pay you can become a repository for glow sticks!
Or is it 'suppository'...?
Sam
Or is it 'suppository'...?
Sam
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Well, if you agree to walk around all year with a glow stick sticking out of your ass, you can get "special" treatment... kinda' like the "I'm-Rich-and-I-Don't-Have-to-Pay-Taxes" deductions that are handed out to 'High' members of the government.
It's a glow stick deduction.
Sam
It's a glow stick deduction.
Sam
The revolutionary does not grow up because he cannot grow, while the creative individual cannot grow up because he keeps growing ~~ Eric Hoffer
There's a couple in Alb. NM who live on less then $5000 a year. They raise a lot of their own food and can a lot of fruit for trade from their backyard orchard. They rarely buy anything. They chosse this life so that they wouldn't have to pay taxes. They also had a windfall that allowed them to purchase their own house, AND then take the pledge of poverty.
Fight for the fifth freedom!