Ignore the Myths,
Get the Facts
The following cultural beliefs, or myths, are often used as reasons for circumcision. After each myth, some relevant facts are provided to present a more accurate picture of this procedure. Parents should understand the full implications of circumcision before making this irreversible decision for their child.
Myth #1: Circumcision is recommended by doctors and medical organizations
Fact: Circumcision is not recommended by any national medical association in the world. Fifteen national and international medical associations have extensively studied infant circumcision and its effects and found no significant evidence to support this practice. In March 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) concluded that infant circumcision is not recommended as a routine procedure.1 The circumcision policy statements of the American Medical Association (AMA) and the American Academy of Family Physicians have concurred with this position.2-3 The AMA calls infant circumcision “non-therapeutic.â€
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Agreed, well said. Much of the USA is still back in the days of the Salem Witch Trials on this.rodiponer wrote:So, to me, circumcision is culturally sanctioned genital mutilation
Although cut guys like myself can claim to have had 'cosmetic surgery' for extra conversational shock credit (you don't have to say what heheh).
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http://nymag.com/health/features/60135/
...There was another, half-hidden appeal to the procedure. Ever since the twelfth-century Jewish scholar and physician Maimonides, doctors realized that circumcision dulls the sensation in the glans, supposedly discouraging promiscuity. The idea was especially attractive to the Victorians, famously obsessed with the perils of masturbation. From therapeutic circumcision as a cure for insomnia there was only a short step toward circumcision as a way to dull the “out of controlâ€
Heyzues,
You're off on another rant man.
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March 25, 2009 — Male circumcision significantly reduced the incidence of HIV and herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2) infection and the prevalence of human papillomavirus (HPV) infection, suggesting potential public health benefits, according to the results of a randomized controlled trial reported in the March 26 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.
"Male circumcision significantly reduced the incidence of...HIV infection among men in three clinical trials," write Aaron A.R. Tobian, MD, PhD, from Bloomberg School of Public Health, Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, and colleagues. "We assessed the efficacy of male circumcision for the prevention of...HSV-2 and...HPV infections and syphilis in HIV-negative adolescent boys and men."
Two trials of male circumcision to prevent HIV and other sexually transmitted infections in a rural Ugandan population enrolled a total of 5534 HIV-negative, uncircumcised male subjects aged 15 to 49 years. Of 3393 subjects (61.3%) who were HSV-2 seronegative at enrollment, 1684 had been randomly assigned to undergo immediate circumcision (intervention group) and 1709 to undergo circumcision after 24 months (control group). Subjects were tested for HSV-2 and HIV infection and syphilis and underwent physical examinations and interviews at baseline and at 6, 12, and 24 months. A subgroup of subjects was also evaluated for HPV infection at baseline and at 24 months.
2.Male Circumcision
Robert Bailey,[2] in his plenary presentation, reviewed the results of the 3 successful trials demonstrating that male circumcision was effective in reducing HIV acquisition by 60% to 70%. These 3 trials occurred in Rakai, Uganda; Kisumu, Kenya; and Orange Farm, South Africa.[3-5] All 3 data and safety monitoring boards (DSMB) closed the trials early due to proven efficacy in the circumcision arm of these trials compared with the control arm. Using intent-to-treat analysis, the South African trial showed an efficacy rate of male circumcision of 60%, Kenya showed an efficacy rate of 59%, and Uganda, 51%. Collectively, these 3 trials demonstrate a protective effect of 57%, nearly identical to the 58% protective effect reported in a meta-analysis of numerous epidemiologic and ecological studies.[6] On the basis of these results, the World Health Organization/United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS made a statement on March 28, 2007 to the effect that the efficacy of male circumcision in reducing female-to-male HIV transmission has now been proven beyond reasonable doubt. Scaling up male circumcision in certain countries will result in immediate benefits to individuals, and male circumcision should be considered as part of the comprehensive HIV prevention package. Bailey further commented that male circumcision is also effective in lowering other selected sexually transmitted infections (STIs). Genital ulcer disease and genital warts were reduced by 50%, although serologic evidence for herpes simplex virus-2 (HSV-2) incidence was not changed. The incidences of gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis, and trichomonas were not significantly reduced in the circumcised group.
3. A circ prevents phimosis, periphimosis, and lowers infections such as candida under the foreskin and lowers rates of urinary tract infections.
"Medical indications
Groups that oppose neonatal circumcision contend that the foreskin has specialized nerve endings that enhance sexual pleasure and important functions, including natural protection of the glans penis. They argue that permanent externalization of the glans penis results in desensitization due to keratinization of the glans that buries nerve endings deep into this structure. However, no solid scientific evidence supports this assumption. Although many families choose to have their male infants circumcised for cultural, religious, or hygienic reasons, only a few accepted medical indications are recognized: phimosis, paraphimosis, balanitis and posthitis. Circumcision is also recommended in male infants and toddlers who develop UTIs and children who require clean, intermittent catheterization to facilitate this procedure.
Phimosis
Phimosis is a condition in which the distal prepuce cannot be retracted over the glans penis. In infants, toddlers and preschool children, the foreskin may appear tight and nonretractable with thin adhesions to the glans. This situation persists until progressive keratinization of the epithelial layers occurs between the glans and the inner prepuce dislodge the foreskin from the glans. This is known as physiologic phimosis, which is not considered a pathologic condition.
Severe phimosis in the young age groups is rare and can be demonstrated by bulging of the foreskin during micturition. At 3 years of age only 10% of boys are unable to fully retract the foreskin. By adolescence, 98-99% can fully retract their foreskin to expose the glans. Acquired phimosis occurs as a result of poor hygiene, chronic balanitis, or repetitive forceful retraction of the foreskin, which eventually leads to the formation of a fibrotic ring of tissue close to the opening of the prepuce which prevents retraction to expose the glans. Phimosis does not cause obstruction to the urinary stream. However, without proper hygiene, the individual is at risk for chronic skin irritations, yeast infections, balanitis, posthitis, and the forceful retraction of the foreskin may result in paraphimosis. A person with true phimosis may have pain during sexual activity.
Paraphimosis
Paraphimosis is the inability to reduce a retracted foreskin over the glans penis to its naturally occurring position. This condition is a true urologic emergency. If not treated promptly, it can result in venous engorgement and edema of the glans and foreskin which, over time, progresses to arterial occlusion with its ensuing risk of ischemic loss of portions or of the entire glans. Paraphimosis can result when parents or caregivers forcibly retract the foreskin to clean the penis or attempt catheterization and do not return the foreskin to its original position. Edema, tenderness, and erythema of the glans are seen, along with edema of the distal foreskin and flaccidity of the penile shaft proximal to the areas of paraphimosis.
Balanitis or posthitis
Posthitis is an infection of the prepuce, whereas balanitis is an infection of the glans penis. Both of these infections respond to oral and topical antibiotics and warm baths. In posthitis, signs and symptoms include erythema, swelling, warmth, and tenderness of the foreskin. In balanitis, erythema, swelling, warmth, and tenderness are noted in the glans penis. A foul-smelling, thin, seropurulent exudate may be evident. Balanitis, posthitis, or both may be the result of poor hygiene.
UTIs are more common in male neonates than in their female counterparts. Studies addressing the association between circumcision status and UTIs demonstrated an increased rate of UTIs in uncircumcised males, especially in infants younger than 1 year.
Wiswell and Hockey (1993) studied 209,399 infants born in US Army hospitals worldwide in 1985-1990. During the first year of life, 1046 infants (0.5%, 550 girls and 496 boys) were hospitalized for UTIs. Noncircumcised male infants had a 10-fold increased incidence of infection compared with that of circumcised male infants."
And the old practice of not using anesthetic for circs is gradually ending. You can simply ask for it. there are various possibilities, here's one:
EMLA. One of the first and most studied topical creams is a eutectic mixture of local anesthetics, a prilocaine 2.5% and lidocaine 2.5% cream. When applied for a minimum of 45 to 60 minutes, extensive evidence supports reduction of pain from IV catheter insertion.[32-37] In contrast to the other topicals, EMLA can be left on up to 4 hours, and its duration of action continues an hour after removal.[32] In addition, depth of anesthesia increases up to 6 mm during prolonged application.[38]
The perception that EMLA's vasoconstriction[39,40] necessitates multiple needle sticks is one barrier to use. Vasoconstriction has been described with all creams and placebos: one adult study found maximal constriction at 1.5 hours, although EMLA subsequently increased vein diameter to 148% of baseline at 6 hours.[41] With regard to ease of venipuncture, smaller studies in children have shown either no difference[42] or improved procedure ease with EMLA in outpatient or anesthesia settings.[34,43] One abstract found that EMLA use resulted in successful cannulation for 53 of 65 children (82%) vs 58 of 89 (65%) venipuncture attempts in untreated skin. Venipuncture success was improved the longer EMLA was applied, up to 92% when left on for 2-3 hours.[44]
EMLA has been found to be safe[45] and effective for neonatal circumcisions, even warranting its own Cochrane review.[4,46] While conclusively demonstrated to decrease the pain of lumbar punctures (LP) in older children,[47] EMLA is the only topical anesthetic studied shown to decrease pain in newborn LPs. Kaur and colleagues[48] showed decreased pain when compared with placebo, using physiologic parameters and a videotaped coded behavioral scale. EMLA decreases immunization pain, with no change in antibody response.[49,50] For open wounds, EMLA's efficacy is 40% compared with 74% for LET.[51]
As far as any evil conspiracy theory ideas that circs were designed to reduce masturbation, etc... that's mostly bullshit except for 19th century:
"Background
Circumcision of males involves removing the fold of skin that normally covers the glans penis.
Although no consensus exists among scholars regarding the origins of circumcision, some have suggested that this procedure likely originated in Egypt some 15,000 years ago and that its practice later spread throughout the world during prehistoric human migrations. Egyptian mummies and wall carvings discovered in the 19th century offer some of the earliest records of circumcision dating this procedure to at least 6000 years BC. However, other authors believe that circumcision developed independently in different cultures. For example, on his arrival to the New World, Columbus found that many of the natives were already circumcised.
Many cultures have historically used circumcision for hygienic reasons, for instance, as a rite of passage to manhood, as a mark of cultural identity (similar to a tattoo), or as a ceremonial offering to the gods. Ritual circumcisions in Middle Eastern cultures have been practiced for at least 3000 years. Late in the 19th century, this ancient ritual evolved into routine medical practice influenced by reports that associated it with miraculous cures for hernias, paralysis, epilepsy, insanity, masturbation, headache, strabismus, rectal prolapse hydrocephalus, clubfoot, asthma, enuresis, and gout."
hope that helps...
running lean, mean and clean.
You're off on another rant man.
1.
March 25, 2009 — Male circumcision significantly reduced the incidence of HIV and herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2) infection and the prevalence of human papillomavirus (HPV) infection, suggesting potential public health benefits, according to the results of a randomized controlled trial reported in the March 26 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.
"Male circumcision significantly reduced the incidence of...HIV infection among men in three clinical trials," write Aaron A.R. Tobian, MD, PhD, from Bloomberg School of Public Health, Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, and colleagues. "We assessed the efficacy of male circumcision for the prevention of...HSV-2 and...HPV infections and syphilis in HIV-negative adolescent boys and men."
Two trials of male circumcision to prevent HIV and other sexually transmitted infections in a rural Ugandan population enrolled a total of 5534 HIV-negative, uncircumcised male subjects aged 15 to 49 years. Of 3393 subjects (61.3%) who were HSV-2 seronegative at enrollment, 1684 had been randomly assigned to undergo immediate circumcision (intervention group) and 1709 to undergo circumcision after 24 months (control group). Subjects were tested for HSV-2 and HIV infection and syphilis and underwent physical examinations and interviews at baseline and at 6, 12, and 24 months. A subgroup of subjects was also evaluated for HPV infection at baseline and at 24 months.
2.Male Circumcision
Robert Bailey,[2] in his plenary presentation, reviewed the results of the 3 successful trials demonstrating that male circumcision was effective in reducing HIV acquisition by 60% to 70%. These 3 trials occurred in Rakai, Uganda; Kisumu, Kenya; and Orange Farm, South Africa.[3-5] All 3 data and safety monitoring boards (DSMB) closed the trials early due to proven efficacy in the circumcision arm of these trials compared with the control arm. Using intent-to-treat analysis, the South African trial showed an efficacy rate of male circumcision of 60%, Kenya showed an efficacy rate of 59%, and Uganda, 51%. Collectively, these 3 trials demonstrate a protective effect of 57%, nearly identical to the 58% protective effect reported in a meta-analysis of numerous epidemiologic and ecological studies.[6] On the basis of these results, the World Health Organization/United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS made a statement on March 28, 2007 to the effect that the efficacy of male circumcision in reducing female-to-male HIV transmission has now been proven beyond reasonable doubt. Scaling up male circumcision in certain countries will result in immediate benefits to individuals, and male circumcision should be considered as part of the comprehensive HIV prevention package. Bailey further commented that male circumcision is also effective in lowering other selected sexually transmitted infections (STIs). Genital ulcer disease and genital warts were reduced by 50%, although serologic evidence for herpes simplex virus-2 (HSV-2) incidence was not changed. The incidences of gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis, and trichomonas were not significantly reduced in the circumcised group.
3. A circ prevents phimosis, periphimosis, and lowers infections such as candida under the foreskin and lowers rates of urinary tract infections.
"Medical indications
Groups that oppose neonatal circumcision contend that the foreskin has specialized nerve endings that enhance sexual pleasure and important functions, including natural protection of the glans penis. They argue that permanent externalization of the glans penis results in desensitization due to keratinization of the glans that buries nerve endings deep into this structure. However, no solid scientific evidence supports this assumption. Although many families choose to have their male infants circumcised for cultural, religious, or hygienic reasons, only a few accepted medical indications are recognized: phimosis, paraphimosis, balanitis and posthitis. Circumcision is also recommended in male infants and toddlers who develop UTIs and children who require clean, intermittent catheterization to facilitate this procedure.
Phimosis
Phimosis is a condition in which the distal prepuce cannot be retracted over the glans penis. In infants, toddlers and preschool children, the foreskin may appear tight and nonretractable with thin adhesions to the glans. This situation persists until progressive keratinization of the epithelial layers occurs between the glans and the inner prepuce dislodge the foreskin from the glans. This is known as physiologic phimosis, which is not considered a pathologic condition.
Severe phimosis in the young age groups is rare and can be demonstrated by bulging of the foreskin during micturition. At 3 years of age only 10% of boys are unable to fully retract the foreskin. By adolescence, 98-99% can fully retract their foreskin to expose the glans. Acquired phimosis occurs as a result of poor hygiene, chronic balanitis, or repetitive forceful retraction of the foreskin, which eventually leads to the formation of a fibrotic ring of tissue close to the opening of the prepuce which prevents retraction to expose the glans. Phimosis does not cause obstruction to the urinary stream. However, without proper hygiene, the individual is at risk for chronic skin irritations, yeast infections, balanitis, posthitis, and the forceful retraction of the foreskin may result in paraphimosis. A person with true phimosis may have pain during sexual activity.
Paraphimosis
Paraphimosis is the inability to reduce a retracted foreskin over the glans penis to its naturally occurring position. This condition is a true urologic emergency. If not treated promptly, it can result in venous engorgement and edema of the glans and foreskin which, over time, progresses to arterial occlusion with its ensuing risk of ischemic loss of portions or of the entire glans. Paraphimosis can result when parents or caregivers forcibly retract the foreskin to clean the penis or attempt catheterization and do not return the foreskin to its original position. Edema, tenderness, and erythema of the glans are seen, along with edema of the distal foreskin and flaccidity of the penile shaft proximal to the areas of paraphimosis.
Balanitis or posthitis
Posthitis is an infection of the prepuce, whereas balanitis is an infection of the glans penis. Both of these infections respond to oral and topical antibiotics and warm baths. In posthitis, signs and symptoms include erythema, swelling, warmth, and tenderness of the foreskin. In balanitis, erythema, swelling, warmth, and tenderness are noted in the glans penis. A foul-smelling, thin, seropurulent exudate may be evident. Balanitis, posthitis, or both may be the result of poor hygiene.
UTIs are more common in male neonates than in their female counterparts. Studies addressing the association between circumcision status and UTIs demonstrated an increased rate of UTIs in uncircumcised males, especially in infants younger than 1 year.
Wiswell and Hockey (1993) studied 209,399 infants born in US Army hospitals worldwide in 1985-1990. During the first year of life, 1046 infants (0.5%, 550 girls and 496 boys) were hospitalized for UTIs. Noncircumcised male infants had a 10-fold increased incidence of infection compared with that of circumcised male infants."
And the old practice of not using anesthetic for circs is gradually ending. You can simply ask for it. there are various possibilities, here's one:
EMLA. One of the first and most studied topical creams is a eutectic mixture of local anesthetics, a prilocaine 2.5% and lidocaine 2.5% cream. When applied for a minimum of 45 to 60 minutes, extensive evidence supports reduction of pain from IV catheter insertion.[32-37] In contrast to the other topicals, EMLA can be left on up to 4 hours, and its duration of action continues an hour after removal.[32] In addition, depth of anesthesia increases up to 6 mm during prolonged application.[38]
The perception that EMLA's vasoconstriction[39,40] necessitates multiple needle sticks is one barrier to use. Vasoconstriction has been described with all creams and placebos: one adult study found maximal constriction at 1.5 hours, although EMLA subsequently increased vein diameter to 148% of baseline at 6 hours.[41] With regard to ease of venipuncture, smaller studies in children have shown either no difference[42] or improved procedure ease with EMLA in outpatient or anesthesia settings.[34,43] One abstract found that EMLA use resulted in successful cannulation for 53 of 65 children (82%) vs 58 of 89 (65%) venipuncture attempts in untreated skin. Venipuncture success was improved the longer EMLA was applied, up to 92% when left on for 2-3 hours.[44]
EMLA has been found to be safe[45] and effective for neonatal circumcisions, even warranting its own Cochrane review.[4,46] While conclusively demonstrated to decrease the pain of lumbar punctures (LP) in older children,[47] EMLA is the only topical anesthetic studied shown to decrease pain in newborn LPs. Kaur and colleagues[48] showed decreased pain when compared with placebo, using physiologic parameters and a videotaped coded behavioral scale. EMLA decreases immunization pain, with no change in antibody response.[49,50] For open wounds, EMLA's efficacy is 40% compared with 74% for LET.[51]
As far as any evil conspiracy theory ideas that circs were designed to reduce masturbation, etc... that's mostly bullshit except for 19th century:
"Background
Circumcision of males involves removing the fold of skin that normally covers the glans penis.
Although no consensus exists among scholars regarding the origins of circumcision, some have suggested that this procedure likely originated in Egypt some 15,000 years ago and that its practice later spread throughout the world during prehistoric human migrations. Egyptian mummies and wall carvings discovered in the 19th century offer some of the earliest records of circumcision dating this procedure to at least 6000 years BC. However, other authors believe that circumcision developed independently in different cultures. For example, on his arrival to the New World, Columbus found that many of the natives were already circumcised.
Many cultures have historically used circumcision for hygienic reasons, for instance, as a rite of passage to manhood, as a mark of cultural identity (similar to a tattoo), or as a ceremonial offering to the gods. Ritual circumcisions in Middle Eastern cultures have been practiced for at least 3000 years. Late in the 19th century, this ancient ritual evolved into routine medical practice influenced by reports that associated it with miraculous cures for hernias, paralysis, epilepsy, insanity, masturbation, headache, strabismus, rectal prolapse hydrocephalus, clubfoot, asthma, enuresis, and gout."
hope that helps...
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That's exactly what it is.rodiponer wrote: So, to me, circumcision is culturally sanctioned genital mutilation. I hesitate to use strong words like that because it makes me sound like an extremist, but, well, that's what I feel it is.
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It's not him, it's a new spammer thing.Isotopia wrote:Oh fuck. Guess who's off their meds again?
Make a "legit" looking post, spam in the sig line. This one has done it to a few threads.
It's been reported.
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This explains the weird, nonsense comment about a horse in the Disneyland vs BM thread!Eric wrote:It's not him, it's a new spammer thing.Isotopia wrote:Oh fuck. Guess who's off their meds again?
Make a "legit" looking post, spam in the sig line. This one has done it to a few threads.
It's been reported.
I'm the MAN in a truck, burner who is stuck, you're in luck! I'll whip out my BIG tow chain and not charge you, not even one lousy buck!
Yea, we ain't buyin' their BS!AntiM wrote:Yes, if there is spam in the sig-line, or spam links in the body, don't reply, just report, Thanks. They don't give a crap what eplayans think. Not that many of us do, but they really don't.
Funny but I don't think I saw sig line or spam links in the Disneyland thread. Nevertheless, Eric pointed it out and Iso does not make nonsense comments.
I read years ago that eplaya was overun with trolls and spam...screw that!
I'll get better at finding them and reporting them, we all like it here...myself included!
Let this be a burning public service announcement! Buzz off
Thanks for your hard work and catch ya' later AntiM!
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Since I was circumcised at age fourteen I remember the experience of both circumcised and non-circumcised and I can know personally I like being circumcised a lot more.
It was at least kind of my parents to not force it on me as a baby and to let me make a decision about it. My brother still has his foreskin.
It was at least kind of my parents to not force it on me as a baby and to let me make a decision about it. My brother still has his foreskin.
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Re: Nazi's to force Circumcision on all boys born in US
The Nazis want everybody to be circumcised? Do they want everybody to keep kosher, too?Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Your Public Health Official want to cut the tip of your dick off resulting in smaller penises!
Damn. The Third Reich sure isn't what it used to be.
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