Playa Lung ??!!??!!!???

Boijoy · Post by **Boijoy** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:57 pm

Me's thinkin' Emergen snuck into Burning Man & didn't have an opportunity to read the back of the ticket. Or proir to the event....perchance didn't think to himself.. ""hu.. camping on a dried up desert surface.. I wonder what all that dust consists of?? hummm... ponder...."""

emergenttech · Post by **emergenttech** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:00 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:
Too late for me. I went this year, had I known the risks *properly* than I would not have come. But I did not find any problems until afterwards by chance.

duh.

Well Simon, taking a risk is fine, if you know what those risks are. And I am precisely stating that we do not know those risks. I fully took the risk if I got run over by an art car or something like that I read the website, but there was no guidance given about the playa dust composition....why? And with the fineness of the dust the guidance to use some fabric is just plain wrong.

Seems reckless to me!

@fish Is that how you really want to communicate with me when I am trying to get at the bottom of things. Not trying to be awkward but get to the truth of the matter.

emergenttech · Post by **emergenttech** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:03 pm

Boijoy wrote:Me's thinkin' Emergen snuck into Burning Man & didn't have an opportunity to read the back of the ticket. Or proir to the event....perchance didn't think to himself.. ""hu.. camping on a dried up desert surface.. I wonder what all that dust consists of?? hummm... ponder...."""

Not all lake beds are the same. Take a dried lake bed in say England or Salt lake city. Am I supposed to know the composition of all of these lakes before hand researching for hours on end?

Every post you disable the BBC code, and Html? stop.

emergenttech · Post by **emergenttech** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:08 pm

Lets face it - it just not sand is it. I've been through the Sahara and camped on that - no problems. Sand storm no worries - particles are pretty big. No lung damage.

Boijoy · Post by **Boijoy** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:09 pm

Well.. um.. YES ! because you've done the research NOW after the event.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:13 pm

before i go all guernica on you, i'll spell it out to you simply, politely and mercifully.

you are responsible for you.

you have to be radically self reliant...do the research yourself, then make a decision.

dont blame BM llc or other burners or anyone else but YOU.

if you went to thailand, do you think they would advertise tsunami as a potential bad vacation?

there is dangerous stuff EVERYWHERE, how YOU choose to deal with it is up to YOU.

i wonder if Beijing has a disclaimer at their "Air" port?

BMORG did nothing to obfuscate anything from you, and i smell one of the worst OCD's, Hypochondriac, looking for the answer to their own potentially psychosomatic symptoms.

do your complaining elsewhere, you'll find very few sympathetic ears to your supposed plight around here i'm afraid.

emergenttech · Post by **emergenttech** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:16 pm

[quote="Boijoy"]Well.. um.. YES ! because you've done the research NOW after the event.[/quote]

That's my damn point. I had to experience to know and understand the risks after attending - not before. There is no choice. Only after talking to fellow concerned people have we investigated the situation...

If people ARE adequately prepared then they can make an informed choice and not wander round without full face respirators.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:19 pm

If people ARE adequately prepared then they can make an informed choice and not wander round without full face respirators.

you have got to be fucking kidding me...

i have been out there since 96 and i do huge bong hits of the shit.

i NEVER wear a mask, i walk straight thru the deepest heaviest storm (i can get witnesses and affidavits if you need) and guess what, i'm fine...

anecdotal evidence is an oxymoron.

you are just a moron.

emergenttech · Post by **emergenttech** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:22 pm

So is that useful? Ignorance is bliss? Anything goes cos the responsibility is down to the participant when their safety could easily be improved. I might be saying things you don't like - but they need to be said.

Are most burners occupational hygenists/chemists/scientists and doctors? There is a limit to most peoples knowledge and stating obvious facts about the hazards of the surface should be a given. Why not put it on the site..its not there!!!

Simon of the Playa wrote:before i go all guernica on you, i'll spell it out to you simply, politely and mercifully.

you are responsible for you.

you have to be radically self reliant...do the research yourself, then make a decision.

dont blame BM llc or other burners or anyone else but YOU.

if you went to thailand, do you think they would advertise tsunami as a potential bad vacation?

there is dangerous stuff EVERYWHERE, how YOU choose to deal with it is up to YOU.

i wonder if Beijing has a disclaimer at their "Air" port?

BMORG did nothing to obfuscate anything from you, and i smell one of the worst OCD's, Hypochondriac, looking for the answer to their own potentially psychosomatic symptoms.

do your complaining elsewhere, you'll find very few sympathetic ears to your supposed plight around here i'm afraid.

MOD NOTE: STOP DISABLING THE HTML, AND BBC. IT WORKS QUITE WELL IF YOU LEAVE THEM ALONE.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:23 pm

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emergenttech · Post by **emergenttech** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:26 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:

i NEVER wear a mask, i walk straight thru the deepest heaviest storm (i can get witnesses and affidavits if you need) and guess what, i'm fine...

Maybe you are fine now...but who know what you might have predisposed yourself to?

Mod Note - you dont have to do anything to the bbc code or html. Leave those boxes empty.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:30 pm

alright....fine...

here come the ugly big guns.

you, my friend, are metaphysically retarded.

now run along kid, you bother me.

gaminwench · Post by **gaminwench** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:31 pm

ET, you're a worrywart...

emergenttech · Post by **emergenttech** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:32 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:alright....fine...

here come the ugly big guns.

you, my friend, are metaphysically retarded.

now run along kid, you bother me.

Interesting "insult", but I'd rather keep to facts.

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Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:35 pm

by all means, please use some.

Boijoy · Post by **Boijoy** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:46 pm

did anyone else notice that the playa dust kind of tasted like dry powdery salty bacon & flat PBR?? do you really think we are "leaving no trace"?

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:49 pm

from the dust we came, and to the dust we shall all return.

deal with it.

Deb Prothero · Post by **Deb Prothero** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:50 pm

emergenttech

OK I'm freaking out even more now. Holy cow - is there no end to the torment?

no end in sight.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:18 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:
If people ARE adequately prepared then they can make an informed choice and not wander round without full face respirators.

you have got to be fucking kidding me...

i have been out there since 96 and i do huge bong hits of the shit.

i NEVER wear a mask, i walk straight thru the deepest heaviest storm (i can get witnesses and affidavits if you need) and guess what, i'm fine...

anecdotal evidence is an oxymoron.

you are just a moron.

I'm just not sure why he ever left the comfort of his bubble.

Deb Prothero · Post by **Deb Prothero** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:28 pm

I was beginning to wonder if it was a sock.

Deb Prothero · Post by **Deb Prothero** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:29 pm

yeah, might be a sock. Joined yesterday and has 28 posts - probably all of them here.

taking bets.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:37 pm

I fall for socks each and every time.

Deb Prothero · Post by **Deb Prothero** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:42 pm

We can probably rule out Simon - he's been busy at decomp. Actually no, that was Saturday. Simon, are you f**king with us.

Post by **mdmf007** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:53 pm

emergenttech wrote:As much as I'd love to take that reassurance Phil, the Silica were are talking about is crystalline silica (on the plya) and the stuff that your link points to...

"Unlike exposure to
crystalline silica, synthetic
amorphous silica does not
induce irreversible or progressive
lung injury. Chronic
inhalation of crystalline silica
can produce lung tumors in
rats, whereas this has not been
shown for amorphous silica."

Crystalline Silica therefore is *A RISK*

Then your fucked - dont go. I on the other hand will go until i die of old age, or the playa dust rots my lungs out.

Deb Prothero · Post by **Deb Prothero** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:11 pm

ah shucks, mdmf007; When I saw your name beside the thread I thought you were going to say who the sock is.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:41 pm

no, i think this may be a real life, actual, dyed in the wool idiot.

my socks are smarter than that and you know all of them anyway.

Post by **mdmf007** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:23 pm

Boijoy wrote:did anyone else notice that the playa dust kind of tasted like dry powdery salty bacon & flat PBR?? do you really think we are "leaving no trace"?

I NEVER wear a mask, the dust doesnt bother me, I fight fires and that shit bothers me. You should have done the research beforehand emergentech, due dillignece is your problem.

your NOT going to find a sympathetic crowd here, now you come across as a hypochondriac thats beating a drum. Whats wrong with wearing a mask out there if the shit bothers you?

Deb - Emergentech appears to not be a sock. 1 IP / no cross posting.

Deb Prothero · Post by **Deb Prothero** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:26 pm

Yes, Simon you have very smart socks. I was razzin'.

Well, 007 thanks for clearing that up.

no, i think this may be a real life, actual, dyed in the wool idiot.

I think Simon has said all there needs to said.

magicmarty · Post by **magicmarty** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:32 pm

Life is full of risks and we all concioulsly or unconsicoulsy make risk reward decisions. I wear a mask when needed and have positively concluded that the risk is DEFINITELY worth the reward.

Get over it and enjoy

emergenttech · Post by **emergenttech** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:33 am

Can anybody here, not understand my fears with regard to the dust? Frankly the more one knows about this dust the better we can protect ourselves.

How many people signed up for a death sentence when they came to BM? Irreversible lung damage and anxiety for years to come. Quite frankly that is what I got. I know how to take risks, I can fly, have driven through remote parts of the world, been shot at etc. But these are risks that one elects to take. I did not elect for lung damage as risk.

As much as I had a good time at BM...I really don't need the agony of the potential health problems.