art cars are stupid

nipples · Post by **nipples** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:55 pm

kidding there i think
prefer skinny small breasted
boyish figured girl

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:18 pm

A man indeed does Badger be.

nipples · Post by **nipples** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:28 pm

trying not to fuck
gagged thus to intercourse
sex irrelevant

nipples · Post by **nipples** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:30 pm

Talking ART CARS here, folks.

Keep it out of my pants, thank you very much.
(you freaking perves!)

nipples · Post by **nipples** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:34 pm

Are there others upon thy lake?

May a craft float handsomely, without ill effect?

Raheer · Post by **Raheer** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:43 pm

nipples wrote:Talking ART CARS here, folks.

In reference to the topic title, "Art Cars are Stupid", I would say, "Well, of course they are! Not ONE of them could score higher than a 100 on an IQ test!"

Raheer

Kinetic II · Post by **Kinetic II** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:10 am

Unjun, I will certainly vouch for Badger being a buck having had the pleasure of meeting him several times on the playa. I happen to be a fan of the Rangers but Tiara and Badger stand out as my two personal favorites. Anyway they are good people to know...if your by Ranger HQ usually on the late night shift you can usually find him there. If he's not swamped with crap to handle it's worth the time to stop and introduce yourself.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:59 am

You will have to admitt I gave that rabbit a run for it's money. Ole NIps didn't know where to go after I threw in the ? buck.

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:49 am

Stop me before I haiku again.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 6:33 am

all cars: burnable
no motors but one-bangers
shut the DMV

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:25 am

Hey Chai Guy (or is that Teabag Fag)
Chai is stupid.
Bet I sound abrasive when I label your "art" like that.
You sure do.

Alchemy · Post by **Alchemy** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:40 pm

Dust kickin,half ass decorated with abstact(generous concept) lighting designs,all exceeding the 5 mph speed limit.Too many motor vehicles my friends. Limit them to the first so many and then do it as a first come first serve thing.Respect should be maybe handed out for long time attendees..cap on the number of years you can return with the same car or vehichleto say 5 and then you might be challanged to create a new one and retire the old one for three years or so.

The less motor traffic we have ,the less dust monsterswe experiance blowing in from the south west. I like to see the art so many have cooked themselves and gone broke to make.I love the art cars too,and perhaps it might make meeting art car people and getting a ride a little more like something special then the average day at BM.

Bikes.... lots of bikes.....ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

PS.. Scooters SUCK!!! theyre so cheap and they are fuckin noisy and Last year it seemed that too many people dicked out for the scooter. nobody was goin 5 mph buddy nooooooooooo body!!cough! hack!wheeeeeeeeze.
By friday night it was hell.

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:09 am

You guys don't hate art cars. You hate the half-ass schlocky low-effort things that are running around passing themselves as art cars, and driven by people with no regard for the rules.
Most of the shit being proposed here (limit it to 20 vehicles, ban them completely, etc,) fucks with the people who scratch-build real mutant vehicles and operate them responsibly and slowly as much as it does with the crap-can jockeys.
The BRC DMV has taken steps to weed out the riffraff.
And of course we all know that without art cars there would be no dust in Black Rock City. You sound like a sailboater that complains about the slightest wake from a powerboat. Natural waves don't bother them...
Art cars, or more appropriately Mutant Vehicles, should be something really cool to look at, something you're glad you got to see, something that helps make BRC a cool place.
We just need to clamp down on the ones that don't do that. And the ones operated irresponsibly. And that is happening.

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Wed May 19, 2004 2:40 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote:half-ass schlocky low-effort

H A S L E (as in "they're a hassle")

Instead of denegrating true mutant vehicles, I nominate "HASLE vehicle" as the term for the vehicles everyone hates.

HASLE vehicles are stupid and a danger to our community.

MUTANT vehicles are a joy to behold and glorious to interact with.

Just say NO! to HASLE's at Burningman

regards, Jafe

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed May 19, 2004 4:49 pm

the shark was not half assed or schlocky, it was cool lookin.

it sure as hell was a danger though, or the people driving it were. I don't want to get into a gunsdontkillpeoplepeoplekillpeople argument though

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Wed May 19, 2004 10:30 pm

stuart wrote: I don't want to get into a gunsdontkillpeoplepeoplekillpeople argument though

Guns don't kill people... burning couches kill people!

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Wed May 19, 2004 11:36 pm

dragonfly Jafe wrote:
Captain Goddammit wrote:half-ass schlocky low-effort
H A S L E (as in "they're a hassle")

Instead of denegrating true mutant vehicles, I nominate "HASLE vehicle" as the term for the vehicles everyone hates.

HASLE vehicles are stupid and a danger to our community.

MUTANT vehicles are a joy to behold and glorious to interact with.

Just say NO! to HASLE's at Burningman

regards, Jafe

I am SO forwarding this on to the DMV list...I love it.

Post by **AntiM** » Thu May 20, 2004 6:32 am

Yes, less hasle, more mutant. I love the "oh wow" factor of art cars, hate the "ah, look, a party barge" aspect.

As a less-than-able-bodied burner, I can hobble long distances, but riding a standard bike, or a low-slung recumbent, puts me in excrutiating pain. I can't be the only person in this situation. It would seem that a golf cart would be ideal, but no, money and lack of time to make it into good art ruled out motorized transport. Instead, we found a four-wheel, two person bike with boat seats, not bike seats. Great fun, good for giving rides and hauling lots of ice. There are drawbacks to this vehicle, but overall, it has enhanced my ability to explore the city and the playa. I love trying to dress it up each year, more ambitious every time. Oh, and it will go over 20 mph if the folks pedaling are motivated and have a slight downhill roll. Otherwise, 5 mph is a nice steady pedal.

Lots of inventive stuff all around, I just found this site:

http://www.geocities.com/rcgilmore3/index.html

Anyone else familiar with "unusual human powered vehicles"? I think the conference bike would be amazing on the playa.

Not bringing the Amish Buggy Bondage Bar in 2004, maybe in 2005; powered by enslaved, er, volunteer, humans .... and only seats 2, so the point is not transportation, more like, "We have this Amish buggy, what can we do with it?" It will be at Synorgy 2004, pictures later.

Anti M
specializing in non-motorized ramblings and amblings

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Thu May 20, 2004 7:05 am

Cool Site AnyiM - Unless I am missing something, that 32 person bus bike wouldn't have to be DMV registered, wouldn't be burdened by the new BLM open container laws (except of course the "operator" couldn't drink or be under the influence as always), and wouldn't garner the apparently undying scorn of burners who hate mutant vehicles. And it would be free to go anywhere in the city (even center camp), and drive on the esplanade. It's a bike after all!

regards, Jafe

Ranger Genius · Post by **Ranger Genius** » Thu May 20, 2004 8:06 am

As long as it's not self-propelled (electric or internal-combustion powered) the liquor laws don't apply. You can ride your bike drunk and not get DUI or anything, but you are technically publically intoxicated; though I doubt you'd get a citation for it unless you were making a menace of yourself (in which case the LE would be less of a concern for you than I would).

Desi Arnaz · Post by **Desi Arnaz** » Thu May 20, 2004 10:56 am

Wow...the DMV application is 24 pages long. That alone should limit the number of mutant vehicles on the playa this year.

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Thu May 20, 2004 11:08 am

AntiM wrote:As a less-than-able-bodied burner, I can hobble long distances, but riding a standard bike, or a low-slung recumbent, puts me in excrutiating pain. I can't be the only person in this situation. It would seem that a golf cart would be ideal, but no, money and lack of time to make it into good art ruled out motorized transport.

That is a self-imposed restriction, yes? DMV policy is as follows:

http://www.burningman.com/on_the_playa/playa_vehicles/no_driving.html wrote:Handicapped Licenses
Handicapped licenses are issued by the DMV to participants with physical disabilities. There is no pre-registration process for these licenses. In order to get a handicapped license, participants must bring their state-issued placards to the DMV.

Yes, it's fabulous if you put at least some effort into spiffing up your cart, scooter, or whatever, and many people do, but we realize that extreme modification can frequently run up against mobility limitations.

Ranger Genius · Post by **Ranger Genius** » Thu May 20, 2004 11:09 am

Hope Springs eternal, Ricky.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu May 20, 2004 11:54 am

AntiM wrote: As a less-than-able-bodied burner, I can hobble long distances, but riding a standard bike, or a low-slung recumbent, puts me in excrutiating pain. I can't be the only person in this situation. It would seem that a golf cart would be ideal, but no, money and lack of time to make it into good art ruled out motorized transport. Instead, we found a four-wheel, two person bike with boat seats, not bike seats. Great fun, good for giving rides and hauling lots of ice. There are drawbacks to this vehicle, but overall, it has enhanced my ability to explore the city and the playa. I love trying to dress it up each year, more ambitious every time. Oh, and it will go over 20 mph if the folks pedaling are motivated and have a slight downhill roll. Otherwise, 5 mph is a nice steady pedal.

AntiM
I've basically ended up as the disablity advocate (and perhaps "over-politicizer") on this board. (It may be my politicization that made me jump in when I noticed the lack. . .) If you ever have anything to say about Black Rock City from your viewpoint as a person with a disability, I'd be interested in hearing it.

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Thu May 20, 2004 12:01 pm

[quote="PurpleKooshThat is a self-imposed restriction, yes? DMV policy is as follows:

http://www.burningman.com/on_the_playa/playa_vehicles/no_driving.html wrote:Handicapped Licenses
Handicapped licenses are issued by the DMV to participants with physical disabilities. There is no pre-registration process for these licenses. In order to get a handicapped license, participants must bring their state-issued placards to the DMV.

Sure, but many of us are in a gray area - not "disabled" enough to get a state liscence, but to run-down to walk or bike very far. Last year my vehicle blew-up getting there, so I had no transport (no bike unfortunately). I saw very little of the city or the Art, except when a kind Mutant Vehicle would give me a lift or I borrowed a bike from a campmate. Even the biking caused me pain, so I could only bike for ~1 hour at a time. This may improve after my hip surgery, or it may get worse (at least if it gets worse I'll be able to apply for the state liscence!)

regards, Jafe

Sure it's a pedestrian city, but not all of us are pedestrians.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu May 20, 2004 12:12 pm

dragonfly Jafe wrote: Sure it's a pedestrian city, but not all of us are pedestrians.

Agreed, Jafe. My physical limitations aren't my disability (well they could concievably be a result, but lets not play chicken n eggs) but I'm in poorer shape then I like to admit and the altitude and heat take a toll on me. As I said before (probably in the guise of my former self--BlueBirdPoof) it's not actually a pedestrian city. If it were it would be something like a half mile square with much shorter distances between things. I don't think it's gonna change; my guess is the designers of the city like it as it is--including that big "dead space" hole in the middle of the city. I'm certainly NOT advocating an ADA accessability challange either. But some sensitivity to the fact that the sheer size of the city can render it beyond the reach of a significant percentage of the population is perhaps warrented. Letting state issued placards be honored is a start. But there are "grey areas" as you note. I have no ready answer.

bigpurple · Post by **bigpurple** » Thu May 20, 2004 1:31 pm

HASLE cars only bother me a little bit, what really steams my veggies are speeders. I'm going to make a couple speed bumps and see who complains more the Rangers or the Speeders.

Ranger Genius · Post by **Ranger Genius** » Thu May 20, 2004 2:04 pm

I think you'll find that most of the genuine artcar drivers (like Capt. Goddammit) are also the ones who obey the speed limits. The speeders are often the same people as the HASLErs.

Here's a suggestion for how to make the speed bumps:

one speeding HASLE car driver
One roll of duct tape
one ball gag.

Mix all together and lay in the sun to dry. Ready to serve when a satisfying "Thunkrunch" noise is heard.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Thu May 20, 2004 3:36 pm

most of the genuine artcar drivers (like Capt. Goddammit) are also the ones who obey the speed limits

like la contessa?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu May 20, 2004 3:39 pm

perhaps La Contessa was too dirivative to be "genuine" art.

art cars are stupid

It aint the Art cars that suck ..its the scooters

DMV

portable speed bumps !