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[Rob the Wop]

And that is not "our concern" Our concern is far broader, the data to deal with that is currently being assembled for dissemination to the proper authorities..

You are forgetting the evil scientist laughter and the wringing of your hands toghether for the proper effect. Make sure to mention your hordes of evil minions. I'm sure your data will be more effective than the massive influx of money, you can even taze a couple politicians while you're at it if you like.

We'll make sure to wave at the hills while we dance our naked, gay, immoral, drugged up, satanic asses around the man.

[Ranger Genius]

And the dramatic lightning flashes accenting the "They all said I was mad! MAD! I'll show them who's mad! Mwah ha ha!"

[theCryptofishist]

. . . Somebody who claims to make money off of esentially selling access to thier and our land going postal because we are going to that land to. Must want a cut.

[Maia]

Crypto, that made no sense at all! Buttresses my prior statement.

Alpha: upon reflection, I should feel shame because I might have problems with buggery!? You stood 3,000 years of judeo christian ethics on its head.. A very arab point of view you have..

I think of the generations of young British men who went to Arabia for easy access to acceptable buggery...

Lawrence comes to mind...

Except when the nasty Turks forced themselves upon him..

[Maia]

How is disemination similar to defenestration... ?

[KellY]

Well, since this thread has been completely derailed, I think I'll throw in a couple of points:

From what I know about Bruno, he'd gladly put up with some blowjobs in his parking lot in return for all the business the event has brought him.

Living in San Francisco, I know hardly any queers (and I use that word in a friendly way) who are actually from here. Lots and lots come from conservative rural areas like backwoods Nevada so they can live their lives in relative peace and openness. So what's wrong with our sending some freaks back to the sticks for a visit?

Come to think of it, what's wrong with blowjobs in the parking lot? Aside from gravel on your knees, that is.

[Silver 2]

Crypto, that made no sense at all! Buttresses my prior statement.

Alpha: upon reflection, I should feel shame because I might have problems with buggery!? You stood 3,000 years of judeo christian ethics on its head.. A very arab point of view you have..

I think of the generations of young British men who went to Arabia for easy access to acceptable buggery...

This is too good to pass up.

You all are have trouble keeping your stories straight. Crypofish's comment was how BRR kept stating that he was a hunting guide, in one story he starts from his place and leads people off into the country. He is making money from granting access to his property. Some place or another he talks about leading people to someplace that is on public land, he is making money from guiding people on OUR land.

As far as the supersitions of various and sundry people go; from my experience, I will take a decent but godless bugger over 90% of the truly "christian"/deeply religious people I know. As far as the Brits go, I would not be surprised that they considered themselves good christians.

Further, from what I have read, a large percentage of hetros in this country engage in sodomy of one sort or another on a fairly regular basis. I can see the complaint about a public BJ in Gerlach, some people don't like that sort of thing. On the other hand if people do what they do somewhere that you don't accidently see it, why do you care?

[Maia]

"Somebody who claims to make money off of esentially selling access to thier and our land going postal because we are going to that land to. Must want a cut."

This is the quote, we sell no access to our land, why? whatever for? Duh. We spend our money to prevent yo yo's from accessing our land.

I think the second part after "thier" whatever that is,, states inconjunction with the first part that we sell access to public land?? This too makes no sense, in what way would we control access to public land?........ , after all we are not larry harvey.. Neither part of the sentence makes a bit of sense.

As for the rest of it, ya'll still rise to the lure,, We could give a shit what ya'll do,, just do it elsewhere...

[cowboyangel]

and the winner is.........Gort from
The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951)

[BAS]

and the winner is.........Gort from
The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951)

I'm sticking with Joshua Norton! We need him now more than ever!

[samtzu]

Joshua Norton... Amen, Brother... He brought Peace and financial stability to a troubled land...

[cowboyangel]

Norton's ok but I'll stick with the death ray eyes of Gort
my ex-wife was good at that

[Captain Goddammit]

This too makes no sense, in what way would we control access to public land?........
We could give a shit what ya'll do,, just do it elsewhere...

Look up the word "contradiction".

[RingO'Fire]

and the winner is.........Gort from
The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951)

Gort! Klaatu barada nikto!

[robotland]

...and, perhaps, "Baaaa Raaaaam Ewwwwwe".....

[theCryptofishist]

Good to know that it's all about getting a rise and not about convincing anyone of the merit of thier position. Yeah sure, I will rise to the bait. I hate bullies and I'll go after them like a yappy little terrier dog. I'd love to be an elegant Irish Wolfhound tearing out throats with my clear cool logic, but even as an ankle biter I've drawn blood a time or two.




On the other hand, I'm also a good third of the way towards being a burner dissenter. I've never said this on the board, but in the aggregate I didn't have very much fun at BM either time I went. In fact, I'm here on the board in order to make more connections which I hope will pay off on playa. I also wonder about the larger effects of the event. And, admirer of Patrick Califia I may be, but I don't really wish to stumble across blow-jobs in just-about-public-spaces in my neighborhood. Well, it's a little more complicated than that, but I am one of those old grumps who mutters "Get a room" at every too touchy feely cute young het couple I see. And with all these little feet in the "other" camp, no one has yet given me a good reason to turn my back on the event. Or even to try and intiate some reform. NOt the multitudinous Grinches, not rexanon, not wspr, not LarryHarvey'sHat. In fact, in contrast, the burners have shown much more variety and much more openness to the reality of my experience than the dissenters, who really come across as ax-grinding trolls with no pertinent data. Pathetic. If I were a sheep, I would run to the burners and never question again, but I remain the goat or mule or terrrier or whatever I am, trying to honor my experiences both good and bad, and the experiences of others, at least those others who have earned my respect instead of judging me right off. I suppose I will keep rising to the bait, but at least I won't fool myself. I know why I'm on this board. I know that people will judge me by what I post here, and that those who read more posts may get a better idea of who I am. I know that I have not made any close friends, but I may have made a few small connections that could grow into more. I know that I am myself here and on playa and in the default world. And I know that if someone ever actually posted a coherent, principled discussion of BM negatives, I'd listen. I may rise to the bait of bullies, but that doesn't mean that I'm blind to reason.[/b]

[cowboyangel]

[Gort! Klaatu barada nikto!]
ringofire

we need to say this to georgie boy too[/quote]

[Maia]

After reading Cowboy Angels posts I understand what Stuart meant about the modern hips, not smoking dope but rather using meth or crank.

Crypto,, you might try loading the pickup and driving way back beyond the Playa, and camping alone a bit, then do a comparison/contrast.

I was out the other night, got snowed upon. The Wild horses came down to try to lure Robinson Jeffers away,, I have to tie him securely as he is likely to rejoin them..

[BAS]

By the way, Maia, who is your role model

[DVD Burner]

By the way, Maia, who is your role model

Burningman!

[mopsy]

I was out the other night, got snowed upon. The Wild horses came down to try to lure Robinson Jeffers away,, I have to tie him securely as he is likely to rejoin them..[/quote]

A horse is a horse of course of course.....

Hey brr, don't worry dude, nothing last forever, including burning man. Soon enough you'll have your desert back to yourself.

As for this year I thought it would be cool if we could all come up to your place and have a bbq or sometthing. You know, meet the kids, horses, wife, etc. You have piqued my curiosity about your bucolic life.

[cowboyangel]

woah woah thar partner meth and crank????? Jezz, modern hip?
how about pyschospirituallyactivesupporting cannabispranainsteadamen

[Maia]

I mentioned some of my role models, I think,, Abbey,, Muir, John Coulter, Josh Chamberlain,

All thirty thousand of you want to come to my house for a BBQ? Not sure ya'll would fit on the grill..

I do Q' the best ribs in the world, Santa Maria style, but better than Jocko's, I have to go to California for red oak.

Cowboy,,, when you crash, you will be asleep for a week..

[samtzu]

Maia wrote

As for the rest of it, ya'll still rise to the lure,, We could give a shit what ya'll do,, just do it elsewhere...

Actually, lures don't do it for me like they used to, and the only bait I rise for these days is under eighteen...

(Bad-dump-sheesh!!!)

Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week.

[BAS]

I mentioned some of my role models, I think,, Abbey,, Muir, John Coulter, Josh Chamberlain,

All thirty thousand of you want to come to my house for a BBQ? Not sure ya'll would fit on the grill..

I do Q' the best ribs in the world, Santa Maria style, but better than Jocko's, I have to go to California for red oak.

Cowboy,,, when you crash, you will be asleep for a week..

Hmm. Must have missed the post about your role models. Sorry. I haven't actually made it to Burning Man, yet, but part of the idea is to leave no trace after the event, so I don't know as Abbey would have had much of a problem with it. (Hey, there is no emoticon for a shrug!) Can't say about the others.

As far a blow jobs (and other sex acts) in town, I'd assume that there are local ordinaces against that. Out on the playa is one thing, in Gerlach..., well, you could call the local law enforcement (or take other steps to get them to take it back out on the playa).

I am not at all certain that trying to get BM moved is a good idea-- what you might end up with is simply getting the organization behind the event removed, but people still showing up on their own with no one to keep them in line or to clean up afterwards. IMHO, I think you would be better off working with the organization than trying to oppose it.

What are Santa Maria ribs? I'm just some broke guy stuck up here in the Great Lakes region who can't afford to go out to eat....

[technopatra]

Given the nature of Maia/BRR's history of disinformation on the eplaya, I seriously doubt he or anyone else actually saw a BJ in Bruno's parking lot.

[BAS]

Given the nature of Maia/BRR's history of disinformation on the eplaya, I seriously doubt he or anyone else actually saw a BJ in Bruno's parking lot.

I was just trying to give the benefit of doubt, plus trying to point out that, if it did indeed occur, there are already mechanisms in place to deal with it-- and that such an occurance would not indicate that the system is broken, and that, since it isn't broken, trying to fix it could create more problems that it would solve.

(Or maybe I am just talking out of my, er, lower extremity! )

[Maia]

Santa Maria style barbecue comes out of the nineteenth century Vaquero tradition. California was settled by Spanish settlers who had huge ranches, when they had roundups neighbors came from miles around and were fed steers barbecued on open fires, since the dominant wood on the coast is live oak, or red oak depending whose nomenclature you want to use. As it came down to us today , the barbecue is spare ribs, chicken or steak, tri tip came from my father and his barbecuing friends (although I suppose cynical technopatra will raise her eyebrows in disbelief,, she is likely a veggie anyway).. No sauce is used just salt and pepper ( I cheat and use a secret spice, makes mine pretty good) Chicken gets a baste of beer, butter, and rosemary. My daughters sneak and put sauce on their ribs when I am not looking, if you look at most sauces they are basically candy.. Most restuarants steam or bake their ribs then paint them with sauce.. uuk..

With that you serve Pinquito beans,, (only grown on the central coast) sourdough bread, and salad..

The meat has to be barbecued over red oak. I use a copy of the brick barbecue my grandfather built in 1924 on our home ranch. My father also built a copy during the time when I was very young when we lived in town.

I grew up farming, ranching, barbecuing, never got that red meat out of my blood.

Santa Maria is basically a hick town, the only art form to come out of it is Santa Maria style barbeque,, The best resturant left to try it is Jockos in Nipomo.

Regarding the BJ in Bruno's parking lot, I stopped to eat, but the tables were filled with law officers, BLM, Washoe and Pershing Sheriffs etc.. Plenty of law about,, not worth bothering them.. So I just tazered the couple and went on my way... Like that Nicole?

[Maia]

To follow up on your second part,, as I say too often, the Black Rock Desert is a place of surreal beauty, solitude and silence. Burning man was ok when it was a few thousand, the ripple effects of todays events are a desecration. I know that the BM PR is that it is "leave no trace", but that is far from correct.

The event should be moved out of the Black Rock Desert. Nevada is the dumping ground for the nation, nuclear waste, nuclear testing. The garbage from the Bay Area and Sacramento comes to Nevada, burning man is just another colonial outpost of California imposed on a state without the political clout to block it.

Here is something to think about, Yucca Mountain is scheduled to be the nations nuclear waste repository.. Yet, the continent is splitting apart due to cellular convection underneath Yucca Mountain, Nevada is unzipping. It is the third most Tectonicly active state after Alaska and California. It does not take a rocket scientist to see that placing radioactive waste with a half life of 10,000 years in Nevada is foolish.. Far better to place it in Michigan on the giant craton that can't have an earth quake...

But, Michigan has population,, congressmen, clout. No chance of doing the right thing and burying the stuff there. It will come to cloutless Nevada, same with burning man. It is in the Black Rock 'cause California won't have it and has the clout to prevent it.

When you combine that with the social issues, rural Nevadans are extremely conservative, the burning man attendees are by rural Nevada standards extremely wierd (my opinion is a bit different, I see them as weak, soft pale indoors types,, certainly not the sort you want to spend a week in the desert with, but then remember, it isn't really the desert any more, for that week the population density of black rock city is identical to Detroit Michigan 7,500 per sq mile), You find that for the most part only those who make money off burning man like having it appear,, like a cold sore every year..

[Lothos]

:evil: My role models,the entire Chupacabra Policia clan.Lothos