Survival

[Ugly Dougly]

Chinese Coincidence?
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I'm not really concerned about swine flu. Here's my concern. 3 years ago, Chinese calendar, year of the cow..... Mad Cow disease. 2 years ago, Chinese calendar, year of the bird..... Avian flu. This year, Chinese calendar, year of the pig.... Swine flu. Next year is the year of the cock...... Anybody else worried?

Cute.

Actually 2010 is Year of the Tiger. Not as funny misfortunately.

[unjonharley]

Thread drift:

What is the "calk" used to store water 2000 years ago??

the water was collected from the roof and stored in clay jars, calk was added.

OPPs "CHALK"

[ygmir]

Thread drift:

What is the "calk" used to store water 2000 years ago??

the water was collected from the roof and stored in clay jars, calk was added.

OPPs "CHALK"

caulk?

[unjonharley]

Thread drift:

What is the "calk" used to store water 2000 years ago??

the water was collected from the roof and stored in clay jars, calk was added.

OPPs "CHALK"

caulk?

chalk, as in the white cliffs of dover..it has a high water retention..rock sedement?

My interest is in water storage..

[ygmir]

OPPs "CHALK"

caulk?

chalk, as in the white cliffs of dover..it has a high water retention..rock sedement?

My interest is in water storage..

I'm told a small amount of colloidal silver will sterilize said water, as long as it's stored in non concuctive, non static materail.........

How much water are you wanting to store?
Does it need to be mobile?

[can't sit still]

Token, the CO2 gas will work just fine. Sulfur is also used..
Chalk seems "funny" If it absorbed your water,,,, how do you get it back out? Now, if you want calk, it was probably tree pitch or beeswax.

[unjonharley]

caulk?

chalk, as in the white cliffs of dover..it has a high water retention..rock sedement?

My interest is in water storage..

I'm told a small amount of colloidal silver will sterilize said water, as long as it's stored in non concuctive, non static materail.........

How much water are you wanting to store?
Does it need to be mobile?

Looking at five down spout barrels. It would be used to keep the coy pond up. Or home use if needbe.. I think clloidal product is in this calk stuff. I'll check some more..

Looking for low tech food, water production and storage..

[ygmir]

considering where you live, since, finding water is not such a problem, I might suggest developing a "treatment" for water you collect.........
those backpack filters are really good, take out most any pathogen or poison.......are cheap, and, last a long time.......and, you just carry the filter with you...............find a puddle, get a drink...........
so, if you put water in a barrrel, the fish won't care, and, if you need to drink it. filter, or boil, if you're only concern is germs......

[unjonharley]

considering where you live, since, finding water is not such a problem, I might suggest developing a "treatment" for water you collect.........
those backpack filters are really good, take out most any pathogen or poison.......are cheap, and, last a long time.......and, you just carry the filter with you...............find a puddle, get a drink...........
so, if you put water in a barrrel, the fish won't care, and, if you need to drink it. filter, or boil, if you're only concern is germs......

I'm working on sustainability for my great grand kids..

Have located a retreat area.. Plans at this time is to plant edible wild foods in spots.

[can't sit still]

" Plans at this time is to plant edible wild foods in spots."
The deer will love you. I have to buy all kinds of fence wire to keep them out.

[unjonharley]

" Plans at this time is to plant edible wild foods in spots."
The deer will love you. I have to buy all kinds of fence wire to keep them out.

Deer do not care or potatoes, tomatoes, onion, garlic, dandelion or a bunch of other edible weeds.. Some bug and animal control is possible with wild flowers..

[littleflower]

i have a brother who lives in a deer grazing zone .... he planted a bunch of stuff - flowers, not food - that deer supposedly won't eat ... they ate it. he keeps herbs and tomatoes in big pots on the deck, but most of his front yard is bare. they don't eat rosemary or poison oak ...

I watched the Madoff exposé again the other day and the lack of response even after he was exposed remains stunning.

gyre ... it isn't so easy to regulate in a way that prevents people like madoff without harming everyone else ... and thieves are thieves. laws and regulations do not prevent them from stealing. never have, never will.

i know some investment professionals. they do not know what is going to happen ... there are too many different factors, and too many opinions on what all of the data means. they have their favorite experts, but nobody worth taking seriously "knows" what will happen, they are simply weighing factors and comparing them to historical models. in the end, some will be right and some will be wrong. but, at this point, nobody knows. and to think otherwise is just silly... there are too many things that *could* happen that have not been figured into things.

and why on earth would you trust a bunch of politicians to regulate anything anyhow? they need to be regulated themselves.

[Elorrum]

Adult deer know what tastes bad, and they do avoid those plants. (this from my aunt who has a great fenced, covered, gated vegetable garden) Young deer will try everything, and so some of the "deer proof" plants can get eaten. She says it varies, and the plants that sometimes don't get eaten, some years do get eaten. She blames the young deer.

[ygmir]

yeah, but, you don't need to worry about filtering or sterilizing water barrels for gardening........I don't think........just keep the "really good" filter for drinking water.......I've seen adds where they "claim" you can practically filter sewage and drink it..........

some googling may help.

[ygmir]

deer are goats.
Goats eat anything, if, they get hungry.
don't expect much of anything to be safe.
I've lived in "deer country" my whole life. I've even seen em ruin azaleas and rhododendrons.........and, it only takes one night........

[gyre]

I watched the Madoff exposé again the other day and the lack of response even after he was exposed remains stunning.

gyre ... it isn't so easy to regulate in a way that prevents people like madoff without harming everyone else ... and thieves are thieves. laws and regulations do not prevent them from stealing. never have, never will.

i know some investment professionals. they do not know what is going to happen ... there are too many different factors, and too many opinions on what all of the data means. they have their favorite experts, but nobody worth taking seriously "knows" what will happen, they are simply weighing factors and comparing them to historical models. in the end, some will be right and some will be wrong. but, at this point, nobody knows. and to think otherwise is just silly... there are too many things that *could* happen that have not been figured into things.

and why on earth would you trust a bunch of politicians to regulate anything anyhow? they need to be regulated themselves.

Madoff was not a symptom of the massive real estate fraud perpetrated by the banking industry, just of the lack of due diligence.
Everything Madoff did was illegal and still regulated.

He was exposed to the sec more than once and they still didn't catch him!!
They shouldn't have needed whistleblowers, but that wasn't enough.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/madoff/view/


The rest of the economic collapse is a different issue and even more shameful.
Looking at the post mortems makes it clear that anyone with knowledge of how mortgages were being made and packaged, knew it was a house of cards.
Not every investment adviser should have been aware of this, but enough of them should have been with the money involved.

I don't know if the people I am referring to were unusually prescient or just did due diligence, but they were right and for the reasons they gave too.
They made a big effort to warn many of us, starting years ago.

But a bad result was inevitable and the problem is not fixed and will be much worse next time.
My financial background amounts to common sense and maybe a semester of financial american history.
De-regulation was easy to read.
Last time we operated without the regulations reagan removed, the world economy collapsed due to fraud.
Simple.

It isn't close to being fixed.
Some issues are much more subtle.
A four year old with the right knowledge could have read the real estate/banking problem.
That may not be true next time and things will be beyond hope when the walls go down.

How many ghost investments are still on the books?
How well do you understand derivatives?

[ygmir]

yes, comrade Gyre..........we hear your pleas.........note your dissatisfaction, and, will again, attempt to re-create a "workers paradise" for you.

*in the ghostly voice of Karl Marx*

[littleflower]

gyre, madoff was caught. he should have been caught earlier, perhaps ... but eventually he was caught, and now he is in jail. my point stands - a thief is a thief, and laws will not prevent a thief from stealing. i don't care if it's blue collar crime, or white collar crime. over-regulation can cause harm to the non-criminals ... and someone who is clever can find his way around any regulation. balance is necessary here.

as for the real estate mess ... i saw it coming, and i am no expert. but i am close to a real estate investment guy who did NOT see it coming ... not because he's stupid, or clueless, or whatever .... he was simply looking at the real estate market at a much deeper level, and not paying attention to the obvious. when it all went down, he was kicking himself in the head for missing it.

hindsight is always 20-20.

[ygmir]

gyre, madoff was caught. he should have been caught earlier, perhaps ... but eventually he was caught, and now he is in jail. my point stands - a thief is a thief, and laws will not prevent a thief from stealing. i don't care if it's blue collar crime, or white collar crime. over-regulation can cause harm to the non-criminals ... and someone who is clever can find his way around any regulation. balance is necessary here.

as for the real estate mess ... i saw it coming, and i am no expert. but i am close to a real estate investment guy who did NOT see it coming ... not because he's stupid, or clueless, or whatever .... he was simply looking at the real estate market at a much deeper level, and not paying attention to the obvious. when it all went down, he was kicking himself in the head for missing it.

hindsight is always 20-20.

that, is a great point......

anyone can sit and say:
"I saw this"
"I told you so"

especially, when, they predict so many, varying results.....one will have to be correct......

[gyre]

yes, comrade Gyre..........we hear your pleas.........note your dissatisfaction, and, will again, attempt to re-create a "workers paradise" for you.

*in the ghostly voice of Karl Marx*

I'm thinking massive economic collapse might lead to a worker's paradise few are happy with.
What's wrong with avoiding that?

[gyre]

gyre, madoff was caught. he should have been caught earlier, perhaps ... but eventually he was caught, and now he is in jail. my point stands - a thief is a thief, and laws will not prevent a thief from stealing. i don't care if it's blue collar crime, or white collar crime. over-regulation can cause harm to the non-criminals ... and someone who is clever can find his way around any regulation. balance is necessary here.

as for the real estate mess ... i saw it coming, and i am no expert. but i am close to a real estate investment guy who did NOT see it coming ... not because he's stupid, or clueless, or whatever .... he was simply looking at the real estate market at a much deeper level, and not paying attention to the obvious. when it all went down, he was kicking himself in the head for missing it.

hindsight is always 20-20.

Madoff was caught...rapidly, as the mechanism should.
And let go.

Caught again by individuals doing due diligence, not doomsayers.
And let go again.

And so on.

If there wasn't such rampant stupidity involved, one would be convinced of corruption.
I'm still not convinced.

[gyre]

I'm still predicting and I'm not alone or early with the same expectations.

Allowing fraud is to guarantee failure.
An oversimplification, but I think it covers most of it.

Here's hoping we fix it or outlive it.

[gyre]

yes, comrade Gyre..........we hear your pleas.........note your dissatisfaction, and, will again, attempt to re-create a "workers paradise" for you.

*in the ghostly voice of Karl Marx*

Don't forget to include Warren Buffet and many other bastions of anti-capitalism in your condemnation.
Some of my sources are deeply enough involved in investments that I can't identify them.
Enough people with vast and intimate understanding of the mechanisms are concerned, for me to be concerned.

[can't sit still]

Before you'all are getting your food storage figured out, you should watch this vid;

[ygmir]

most of my storage is in a sealed military container, purged and pressurized to 5 psi with Argon........raw steel and portland cement containers within, as well.

[gyre]

That sounds very thorough.
How does the steel and concrete work?

[ygmir]

raw steel is an oxygen attractant, and, it will lock it up in iron oxide, removing it permanently from the contained atmosphere. The cement is highly hygroscopic, so, any latent moisture will be locked into it.

Spun or chipped aluminum won't work because it oxidizes to quick, in just minutes, thereby creating a coating that seals it. Iron or steel work better.

[can't sit still]

Modern astrophysicists are quickly having the idea of an electric universe rammed down their collective throats. As the importance of plasma streams and electric currents are better understood, the electric nature of the sun is found to be of increasing significance to the earth. Science is starting to develop new ideas of just what effects can be expected from the 2012 confluence. This is a short article talking about the effects on our weather. The whole global warming/cooling argument is a crock of crap for those who don't give credence to the electric universe idea. Y'all better change your thinking;
http://www.realufos.net/2009/04/nasa-th ... on-of.html

[ygmir]

*checking for supply of tin foil hats*......

a multi-purpose device..........

[can't sit still]

ygmir, this paper represents the latest discoveries concerning the HUGE flaws recently discovered in our planetary protection. When the earth gets hit by CMEs, [/u]you won't need a tinfoil hat. Our power grid, however, will blow all to hell. The same will be true for ALL our communications except for the fiber-optic stuff and the hardened military stuff. A direct hit from a powerful CME could conceivably cause as much damage as an EMP blast. Then, every semiconductor would be fried. That would shut down every vehicle made after about 1968.
You should read up on what happened to Quebec in 1968 when it got hit by a CME.
http://www.solarstorms.org/SWChapter1.html
Every indication is that we WILL get hit by CMEs in a couple of years. Our magnetosphere is failing. Imagine a world without 20th century technology.