Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night....II

[ygmir]

good diatribe.......I'd go with a lot of it.
thanks CSS.

How's the wind up there in OR?

[can't sit still]

It was interesting what he wrote about Medicare being passed just to take the high-risk [elderly] people out of the retail insurance pool and put them in the GOV pool. Now, the new bill would gut Medicare funding. It seems that GOV wants to dump it's legacy costs.

Actually, I'm in Van Nuys Ca,,, the "valley" The weather here has been great. Way more chemtrails than normal though. I was in western OR last week. It was cold and crappy around Hwy 5 but very nice in the Coquille river valley.

[ygmir]

yeah, I had not even considered, that, medicare took the highest cost customers out of the private insurance pool.......no wonder it got passed......plenty of bribes, I'm sure.

now, though.......what a mess.........

[DVD Burner]

Palin signs on as Fox News Channel commentator


The former Republican vice presidential nominee will appear regularly as a contributor and one of the hosts of a series on everyday Americans coping with challenges.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and- ... 4298.story


By Matea Gold and Mark Z. Barabak

January 12, 2010


Reporting from San Francisco and New York - When Sarah Palin abruptly stepped down as Alaska governor in July before the end of her first term, many questioned how she could maintain a national presence without the platform of elected office.

That hasn't proven a problem for the onetime Republican vice presidential nominee, who has kept herself at the center of political debate with a bestselling book, an appearance on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" and controversial Facebook postings. Now Palin has found another way to stay in the spotlight: by signing on as a contributor for the top-rated Fox News Channel.

Palin, who will make her debut tonight on "The O'Reilly Factor," will appear regularly as a commentator on the network. She'll also be one of the hosts of an occasional series called "Real American Stories," about how everyday Americans cope with challenges.

With her hiring, Fox News gets a high-profile figure whose pronouncements on issues such as healthcare reform have helped drive contentious partisan debate -- it was her Facebook post that first raised the term "death panels."

"She is one of the most talked about and politically polarizing figures in the country," said Bill Shine, the network's executive vice president of programming. "First off, we hope she brings that."

Palin, in turn, gets a large megaphone. Last year, Fox News drew a record prime-time audience of nearly 2.2 million viewers, more than CNN and MSNBC combined, according to Nielsen.

But whether Palin is able to use her perch at the network to enhance her stature for a possible 2012 presidential run remains to be seen.

"It will be hard for her to use this to broaden her political base," said Darrell M. West, a political analyst at the Brookings Institution and author of the book "Celebrity Politics." "It will strengthen her support among conservatives, but she already does well among that group."

Since exploding into public view as Sen. John McCain's running mate in 2008, Palin has drawn a mixture of adoration and indignation for her provocative statements, delivered in her trademark folksy manner.

While clearly comfortable with the camera, Palin nevertheless struggled in some television interviews during the race, particularly during an infamous series of sit-downs with CBS anchor Katie Couric, in which she rambled and appeared unprepared. The interviews inspired a widely disseminated spoof on “Saturday Night Live" and caused considerable angst within McCain's campaign.

During an interview with “60 Minutesâ€

[can't sit still]

Section 1. Council of Governors.
Functions. The Council shall meet at the call
of the Secretary of Defense
"integration of State and Federal
military activities in the United States"

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... _order.pdf
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 11, 2010.
Now why would the state governors want to meet with the sec of defense concerning military activities IN the United States?
signed yesterday,,,, something's really stinky
I thought that we had enough executive orders to cover EVERYTHING already.

[Oldguy]

Sounds like a normal sit-rep with the NG Generals to me, IMHO.

[gyre]

It surely can't be possible, but is this the Adrian Rogers of Memphis?
The welfare king?

[url = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Rogers] Adrian Pierce Rogers
(September 12, 1931 – November 15, 2005), was an American pastor, conservative, author, and a three-term president of the Southern Baptist Convention (1979-1980 and 1986-1988).

I can't get the link to work.
Sounds like the same guy.
Ran a megachurch based on the churches started by robber barons that taught that people are chosen by god to be rich, similar to the king argument.
Famous for asking for a free freeway exit when he moved his megachurch out of the city.
The state mulled it over, verified he had enough land and then sent them a bill for $13 million.

I hear they got part of what they wanted for free, but not a dedicated exit.

I know far too much about his personal life.
A well known scumbag to all but his congregation.

[gyre]

I just heard a great example of psychological ops.

Ever hear that carrots are good for your vision?

The british wanted to hide the fact that they had radar, and spread the myth.
The idea is that with better gardens british pilots could see the planes easier.

They hit more than one nerve.

I've said before that if you want to keep a secret, make people think they know the answer already.
Remember that when you hear military or classified news.

[DVD Burner]

Obama staffer wants ‘cognitive infiltration’ of 9/11 conspiracy groups

By Daniel Tencer
Wednesday, January 13th, 2010 -- 10:48 pm

http://rawstory.com/2010/01/obama-staff ... 11-groups/

In a 2008 academic paper, President Barack Obama's appointee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs advocated "cognitive infiltration" of groups that advocate "conspiracy theories" like the ones surrounding 9/11.

Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor, co-wrote an academic article entitled "Conspiracy Theories: Causes and Cures," in which he argued that the government should stealthily infiltrate groups that pose alternative theories on historical events via "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine" those groups.

As head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Sunstein is in charge of "overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs," according to the White House Web site.

Sunstein's article, published in the Journal of Political Philosphy in 2008 and recently uncovered by blogger Marc Estrin, states that "our primary claim is that conspiracy theories typically stem not from irrationality or mental illness of any kind but from a 'crippled epistemology,' in the form of a sharply limited number of (relevant) informational sources."

By "crippled epistemology" Sunstein means that people who believe in conspiracy theories have a limited number of sources of information that they trust. Therefore, Sunstein argued in the article, it would not work to simply refute the conspiracy theories in public -- the very sources that conspiracy theorists believe would have to be infiltrated.
Sunstein, whose article focuses largely on the 9/11 conspiracy theories, suggests that the government "enlist nongovernmental officials in the effort to rebut the theories. It might ensure that credible independent experts offer the rebuttal, rather than government officials themselves. There is a tradeoff between credibility and control, however. The price of credibility is that government cannot be seen to control the independent experts."

Download a PDF of the article here.

Sunstein argued that "government might undertake (legal) tactics for breaking up the tight cognitive clusters of extremist theories." He suggested that "government agents (and their allies) might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."

"We expect such tactics from undercover cops, or FBI," Estrin writes at the Rag Blog, expressing surprise that "a high-level presidential advisor" would support such a strategy.

Estrin notes that Sunstein advocates in his article for the infiltration of "extremist" groups so that it undermines the groups' confidence to the extent that "new recruits will be suspect and participants in the group’s virtual networks will doubt each other’s bona fides."

Sunstein has been the target of numerous "conspiracy theories" himself, mostly from the right wing political echo chamber, with conservative talking heads claiming he favors enacting "a second Bill of Rights" that would do away with the Second Amendment. Sunstein's recent book, On Rumors: How Falsehoods Spread, Why We Believe Them, What Can Be Done, was criticized by some on the right as "a blueprint for online censorship."

Sunstein "wants to hold blogs and web hosting services accountable for the remarks of commenters on websites while altering libel laws to make it easier to sue for spreading 'rumors,'" wrote Ed Lasky at American Thinker.

[Ugly Dougly]

Section 1. Council of Governors.
Functions. The Council shall meet at the call
of the Secretary of Defense
"integration of State and Federal
military activities in the United States"

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... _order.pdf
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 11, 2010.
Now why would the state governors want to meet with the sec of defense concerning military activities IN the United States?
signed yesterday,,,, something's really stinky
I thought that we had enough executive orders to cover EVERYTHING already.

The states waste huge amounts of our resources for functions such as national defense that are none of the state's business.

[DVD Burner]

Lady BlahBlah


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/16/opinion/16blow.html


By CHARLES M. BLOW
Published: January 15, 2010

I have often accused Sarah Palin of having more fight than strategy in her. But I must concede that her decision to become a contributor to Fox News is a shrewd one. Touché, Barracuda.

Here’s why:

1. She’s made for television.

She’s telegenic. She’s never speechless. She has a gift for talking a lot while saying nothing. And, she has one of the best poker faces in the game — smiling and winking while bobbing and weaving, spouting all manner of nonsense to conceal when she’s nonplussed.

2. There’s no better fit than Fox.

It’s a friendly forum in which to hone her sound bites, learn to parry tough questions and answer easy ones, and to bone up on, well, pretty much everything. Sure, she’ll flub some facts, and she’ll take a drubbing for it. But beating up on her often backfires. The more she takes a punch and cheerfully recovers, the stronger she appears.

And, if she decides to seek the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, and all indications are that she will, this perch will give her another leg up on her Republican rivals. She continues to command the spotlight while they dance in the dark.

3. The timing is impeccable.

There is now a bubbling discontent on the right and, in particular, among whites, which is aimed at President Obama.

According to an analysis of New York Times and CBS News polls, Obama has the lowest approval rating among whites at the end of his first year in office than any president in the 30 years that The Times and CBS News have collected such data. And the gap between Obama and the others is significant, ranging from 10 to 36 percentage points.

Furthermore, a Quinnipiac University poll, released on Wednesday, found that most whites think that Obama’s first year as president has been mainly a failure. A plurality of whites even said that Obama has been a worse president than George W. Bush.

If indeed being Negro-lite made Obama palatable to white voters, as Senator Harry Reid was spanked for saying, that charm has worn off. Whites are now fuming at him.

Palin’s chipper visage, baseless certitude, utter obliviousness and unwavering belief in her own destiny make her an ideal vessel for this mounting white discontent. It’s perfect: blind faith meets blinding frustration. For an image of what this looks like, simply recall her rallies from the previous election.

(For the record, according to the Nielsen Company, more than 95 percent of the viewers of the Fox News Channel are white.)

This move could put Palin in a much better position to become the Republican nominee. The race for the nomination may not be given to the slick or to the strong, but to this fame monster who seems to have the stamina to endure until the end. (Sigh.)

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[ygmir]

re: #3
(I understand you did not write this, and, can't take credit for content, my thoughts below relate to your posting of this, and, other, articles)

do you think the dis-content has to do with the color of peoples skin, or, the fact that most of the middle and upper economic class is white, and, seeing how they're getting tromped on, are pissed?
Has discontent been broken down among other people of other "colors"?

Conversely, do you think "all" blacks support the prez, just because he's closer to their color? Or, for policy reasons?

So much of what you post is couched in racism, DVD........
Which, I support your right to be racist, I just call it what it is.......

[DVD Burner]

How is it racist?

Plus, I never said I was for Obama.

In addition, what I was pointing out with the article was about Sarah Palin.

It's not my fault what's surrounding her is looked at by race.

Just thought it was an interesting article about her.

I was looking at the point of how she is not that bright and how so many are following her.

[ygmir]

IIMHO:

it's racist, since, it only focuses on white's related to discontent, and, it follows the pattern you set with most of what you post.

Again, I'm not dissing you for your attitudes, just putting light on them.

And, are you stating you've never voiced support of Obama? Are you saying you don't ?

I understand, and so stated, you are not responsible for what is in the article.
I'm pointing out, you always find those sorts of articles to post.

As to her being bright......I'd say, since (I'm guessing) you don't know her personally, you are judging a person by what the media makes of them......seems a shaky position.
You could state that some of what she says seems not so bright, but, to say she's not, seems, well, provocative.
We all know how media slant what they want, when they want.
Look at how they make Al Sharpton appear? I'm sure he's not dumb......

again,
I'm not attacking you personally, just trying to clarify,(in my little mind), what's behind some of this.
Only, for my personal edification.

[cowboyangel]

T.E. Braniff, founder of Braniff Airlines and friend to George H.W.Bush, was a member of the Knights Templar, an ancient Catholic anti-Islamic order, birthed during the Medieval Crusades. Young Eric Prince worked in Bush elder's White House. His connections to the administration under which 9-11 happened, go back far and long and deep.

Russ Baker russbaker.com/ has been writing fearlessly about connections like this one in "Family of Secrets". Now, Michael Carmichael, has revealed more, in an article titled, "From Blackwater to Xe, the Templar Crusade Mercenary soldiers and security personnel for the US government".
www.globalresearch.ca/index.php

from the article:

"Erik Prince, the founder and owner of the now infamous US corporation, Blackwater, hails from Holland, Michigan where his family was both powerful and prominent in two institutions - (1) the Republican Party and (2) the evangelical Christian Church. After scandals hit his large and lucrative firm, Prince ordered a curious rebranding that changed its name to Xe.

X is an archaic form of abbreviation for Christ and/or Christian that was derived from the cross and the Greek Alphabet. X or Chi is the Greek letter that is the initial of "Christos" - X - which at the same time served as a symbol for the cross. Sometimes written Chi-Rho, (Xp) is another abbreviation for Christos and his followers, the Christians. From the perspective of medieval Christian symbology, 'Xe' is a combination of the Christic cross and the Greek letter, Epsilon, the first letter in the Greek word, Evangelion, glad tidings or gospel. From the perspective of a modern member of the Knights Templar, Xe is immediately recognizable as it symbolizes Christian Evangelism."

A thorough diagnosis of secrecy, and well established secret societies, like Skull and Bones, is needed to understand how a small group of well funded and highly connected individuals could function with deadly resolve, within the highest levels of the US government.

[ygmir]

yeah, it's interesting how, probably a handful of families, or organizations, really do run the world.....it's almost like "planetary chess"......A big game, to "them"........

[littleflower]

obama is one of them too, no doubt.

the first link on that website discusses whether humanitarian aid to haiti is actually an invasion....

yeah, yeah, yeah....

[ygmir]

something to ponder:

IF, there is global conspiracy, to over run certain nations, by other nations, (nations=groups=organizations, for this)

then, is it not better to be on the winning side?

[gyre]

Politicians control their appearances in the media, so it's more of an advantage than a disadvantage.

We have amateur politicians everywhere looking smarter in the press, so if her job is to look acceptable (low bar after all) she is stupid for taking a job she can't do, or just too stupid to do it.
If you define smart by taking a lot of the public's money and doing nothing, she and Sharpton are genius, though as amoral as ferrets.

The only supporters of Palin I meet are older black men, hate Obama, love Palin.

[ygmir]

Politicians control their appearances in the media, so it's more of an advantage than a disadvantage.

hardly, IMHO......I'd say the media controls their appearance.

We have amateur politicians everywhere looking smarter in the press, so if her job is to look acceptable (low bar after all) she is stupid for taking a job she can't do, or just too stupid to do it.
If you define smart by taking a lot of the public's money and doing nothing, she and Sharpton are genius, though as amoral as ferrets.

yeah, apply that to 95% of politicians

The only supporters of Palin I meet are older black men, hate Obama, love Palin

no response warranted......

[gyre]

While your remarks get heavily edited, usually in a predictable fashion, and it is annoying, politicians are aware of this and that is why they tend to talk in sound bites except in longer interviews.
Everyone knows not to talk when you don't want to be quoted.
Everyone knows not to say anything they don't want on tv.

They do give courses on this.
I took one.
Palin had handlers and consultants worth millions of dollars and couldn't pull it off.

She was being offered as vice-president and future president.
If she can't fake her way through an interview, how smart can she be?
It's not like she ran on her own, with no help.

[DVD Burner]

IIMHO:

it's racist, since, it only focuses on white's related to discontent, and, it follows the pattern you set with most of what you post.

Again, I'm not dissing you for your attitudes, just putting light on them.

And, are you stating you've never voiced support of Obama? Are you saying you don't ?

I understand, and so stated, you are not responsible for what is in the article.
I'm pointing out, you always find those sorts of articles to post.

HUH? LOL! You have got to be kidding me. You are going to have to post some links of mine.
And please dont post from the Israeli thread cause that is not racist tho I am sure there are plenty of folk that want to believe it is.

As to her being bright......I'd say, since (I'm guessing) you don't know her personally, you are judging a person by what the media makes of them......seems a shaky position.

LMFAO! Uh no! She really does well enough on her own when it comes to her ignorance. It's what comes out of her mouth that makes her dumb.

You could state that some of what she says seems not so bright, but, to say she's not, seems, well, provocative.
We all know how media slant what they want, when they want.
Look at how they make Al Sharpton appear? I'm sure he's not dumb......

Al Sharpton? I have no idea how he got into the conversation but hey, I dont find him to be all that bright either.
Entertaining? yes!
actually, She makes Bush seem like a saint.
And yes, the world knows how dumb Bush is.

again,
I'm not attacking you personally, just trying to clarify,(in my little mind), what's behind some of this.
Only, for my personal edification.

Trust me, there is no racism involved. just plenty of dumb people I'm pointing out.
Just as I did many years ago on this board when I said Bush would never find WMD's and that he, Colin Powell, Rice, Rummy, Wolfowitz and Cheney were big time liars.

No colors. There is equal opportunity when it comes to these dumb dumbs. Just as Nixon, they will always be known for the lies they have owned up to.

It's not my fault it just so happens to be the majority of one kind of people over another that have been doing some of these awful things.

[DVD Burner]

Politicians control their appearances in the media, so it's more of an advantage than a disadvantage.

We have amateur politicians everywhere looking smarter in the press, so if her job is to look acceptable (low bar after all) she is stupid for taking a job she can't do, or just too stupid to do it.
If you define smart by taking a lot of the public's money and doing nothing, she and Sharpton are genius, though as amoral as ferrets.

The only supporters of Palin I meet are older black men, hate Obama, love Palin.

LMFAO!

You really cant be serious?

This is about the most delusional thing I have ever seen you post.



Older black men love Palin and hate Obama?

Bwwwaaaa ha ha ha ha ha! That is funny tho.

[gyre]

I've met more than one.
Can't explain it.

[DVD Burner]

that's too funny. I have never ever heard that before. lol

[DVD Burner]

hey, question, is anyone here a tea party member?

[ygmir]

I'm not........

[DVD Burner]

I know Rick Derringer is one. He and I talked about it before.

As Shocking as it was.

[ygmir]

yeah, and, how dull would it be if we all agreed.........

[DVD Burner]

not dull at all.