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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:54 am

Here is another good thing about the China deal:



Thank China: Google moves to make Gmail more secure by default
January 13, 2010 | Dean Takahashi



http://venturebeat.com/2010/01/13/thank ... y-default/


Google has decided to make its Gmail service more secure by using more expensive encryption technology, according to a blog post today.

You can probably thank China for that. Yesterday, Google threatened to pull out of China after witnessing a concerted effort to hack into the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists. Some of the attacks were successful. Now Google is making it harder to break into email accounts.

It is doing so with the secure service protocol that you may or may not be aware of, depending on how geeky you are. To date, the default protocol for Gmail was http, which is the beginning of the URL that you use when you sign on to Gmail. That protocol is not encrypted, so data passing between your web browser and Google’s services is not encrypted. The secure protocol uses https, which does encrypt the data to prevent snooping by third parties. If you’re in a public Wi-Fi location and you use http, then anyone with a little smarts can inspect the data, including your username and password (though not for Gmail), passing through the system. Clearly, this is not so cool if you’re a Chinese human rights activist.

Google previously left the choice of the default up to users, in no small part because https requires more computing power, making it more expensive for Google, and because it can slow the mail system, since encrypted data doesn’t flow through the web as quickly as unencrypted data. But over the last few months, Google has researched the security/speed tradeoff and decided that turning on https for everyone is “the right thing to do.â€
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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:55 am

Which btw, should have been secure to begin with.
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Post by rodiponer » Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:12 pm

Well, this article indicates that China broke into the back doors Google added for our government to read our email headers (from, to, subject, ip address, message length, names of file attachments, and etc).

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news ... ermath.ars

So it's OK for the US Government to suck all email into their surveillance system. Just not China, because they do it for evil reasons.

And you know, I half agree with that. It's too bad that our supreme court and congress have chosen to not regulate our intelligence communities wholesale wiretapping of our internet activity. Maybe they are chicken shits, and maybe they truly do not understand the technology.

To let you know about where we are at, an intelligence analyst was disciplined for reading Bill Clinton's email without a 'valid reason'. So now you don't need a warrant to read someone's email, just a good reason, as unilaterally determined and enforced by the same group of people who are doing it.

I feel that is a mistake, that it is not necessary to stomp on our civil liberties to this degree to fight terrorism. But I understand how institutions and people get caught up in a fight, become insular, and lose perspective. No one is evil, or trying to kill our democracy, or anything like that. They are just wrapped up in their own little world, surrounded by too many other people like them. The role of our three branches of government is to keep a group of people like that from going too far. And it's fuzzy, as real life is, but I think they are going too far.

I'd like to think that some of them would agree with me. So lets blame the Ivy League liberal arts education for the modern intellectual style that cannot process shades of truth. That breeds a sort of conceited self righteous thoughtlessness. Where the natural way to discuss something is to bend all the elements in a thought in the direction you are heading until you arrive at something that is completely black and white. Combine that with students coming to believe that they are the smartest people in the world, and I think you have can easily have an environment where people feel entitled break the rules at their discretion because they know what's right.

But I do think that what China would do with this information is more evil than what the US government would do with it. I do not think we have torture prisons for political dissidents or that this information is used to influence our democratic processes, as China does.

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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:28 pm

just wanna skip to here:
rodiponer wrote:
I'd like to think that some of them would agree with me. So lets blame the Ivy League liberal arts education for the modern intellectual style that cannot process shades of truth. That breeds a sort of conceited self righteous thoughtlessness. Where the natural way to discuss something is to bend all the elements in a thought in the direction you are heading until you arrive at something that is completely black and white. Combine that with students coming to believe that they are the smartest people in the world, and I think you have can easily have an environment where people feel entitled break the rules at their discretion because they know what's right.

Whoa whoa whoa! lets not get into the liberals and conservatives here. Even tho you may be right, stupid is as stupid does. They come in all shapes sizes, colors and shapes.
rodiponer wrote:But I do think that what China would do with this information is more evil than what the US government would do with it. I do not think we have torture prisons for political dissidents or that this information is used to influence our democratic processes, as China does.
Like I said,stupid is as stupid does. They come in all shapes sizes, colors and shapes. Bad, stupid evil people are everywhere. Hence my point: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/31/sc ... m-of-hell/



You do make some valid points tho.
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Post by rodiponer » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:21 pm

I don't mean liberal arts in a political sense. Just that style of thought, the way of thinking that is taught in a liberal arts education. It's not at all political. There are plenty of right-wing liberal arts educations available.

And, to be fair, from my limited education, I think a classical liberal arts education is valuable. But that the way it is understood by most people, and institutions, is degenerate. I feel they envied the precise and authoritative answers that science can provide, fundamentally misunderstood what scientific thought is, and went on to adopt it in a cargo cult way. I feel they now think they have precision and authority, which they do, but with no accuracy and an ultimately less effective intellectual style than they had before.

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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:21 pm

IE Exploit Used to Launch Chinese Attacks on Google

By Tony Bradley

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/a ... oogle.html

Early speculation focused on the Abobe Reader zero-day exploit as the source of the Chinese attacks on Google and other corporations earlier this week, but Adobe may be off the hook--or at least share the blame. Microsoft has determined that an unknown flaw in Internet Explorer was one of the holes used to launch the attacks which have led to Google threatening to shut down its Chinese operations.

Microsoft Security Response Center director Mike Reavey said in an e-mailed statement "This afternoon, Microsoft issued Security Advisory 979352 to help customers mitigate a Remote Code Execution (RCE) vulnerability in Internet Explorer. The company has determined that Internet Explorer was one of the vectors used in targeted and sophisticated attacks targeted against Google and other corporate networks."

Reavey continued "Microsoft continues to work with Google, other industry partners and authorities to actively investigate this issue. To date, Microsoft has not seen widespread customer impact, rather only targeted and limited attacks exploiting IE 6."

The revelation of the zero-day bug in Internet Explorer, and the release of the security advisory from Microsoft, comes just two days after Microsoft's regularly scheduled Patch Tuesday for the month of January. Coincidentally, Adobe also issued a security update this past Tuesday which addresses the zero-day flaw in Adobe Reader that has been exploited in-the-wild since at least mid-December.

Microsoft is continuing to investigate the issue, and no patch or update has yet been issued, but the security advisory from Microsoft does contain some mitigating factors you can focus on to protect your PC's from this flaw in the meantime:

• Protected Mode in IE7 on Windows Vista limits the impact of the vulnerability.

• In a Web-based attack scenario, an attacker could host a webpage that is used to exploit this vulnerability or do so via a webpage that accepts or hosts user-provided content or advertisements. In all cases, however, an attacker would have no way to force users to visit these websites and would have to convince them to do so, which is typically achieved via an e-mail or instant message.

• By default, Internet Explorer on Windows Server 2003 and Windows Server 2008 runs in a restricted mode that is known as Enhanced Security Configuration. This mode sets the security level for the Internet zone to High and so is a mitigating factor for websites that you have not added to the Internet Explorer Trusted sites zone.

• An attacker who successfully exploited this vulnerability could gain the same user rights as the local user. Users whose accounts are configured to have fewer user rights on the system could be less affected than users who operate with administrative user rights.

• By default, all supported versions of Outlook, Outlook Express, and Windows Mail open HTML e-mail messages in the Restricted sites zone, which should mitigate attacks trying to exploit this vulnerability by preventing Active Scripting and ActiveX controls from being used. However, if a user clicks a link in an e-mail message, the user could still be vulnerable to exploitation of this vulnerability through the Web-based attack scenario.

"It could also be possible to display specially crafted Web content using banner advertisements or other methods to deliver Web content to affected systems. The Microsoft investigation concluded that setting the Internet zone security setting to "high" will protect users from the vulnerability addressed in this advisory," added Reavey.

There is no indication from Microsoft yet about whether we should expect an out-of-band patch to address this issue before the next regularly-scheduled Patch Tuesday, but I wouldn't be surprised. Take a look at the security advisory and take the appropriate steps to protect your PC's from the Internet Explorer vulnerability. You should also apply the Adobe security update to protect your systems from the Adobe Reader zero-day exploit.

For more details on this issue, you can visit the Microsoft Security Research Center (MSRC) blog and The Microsoft blog. Microsoft has committed to actively monitor the situation and will post updates and additional guidance as more details are uncovered.


And this is why I do not use IE and have been telling everyone here for years the same.
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Post by gyre » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:35 am

"For saying no to network monitoring, Google well done!"
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8458462.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8460129.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8460819.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8458150.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8456950.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8118055.stm

Harry Wu, who spent 19 years in China's "laogai" labor camp system, brushed off Google's announcement with a blunt assessment of the company's role in China.

"Google doesn't really care about human rights," Wu said Thursday. It cares, he said, about the money to be made from China's 300 million Internet users.
http://www.ndtv.com/news/world/google_s ... nclear.php
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 247S77.DTL

Microsoft pledges to stay in China despite Google's threat to leave
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/g ... leave.html
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20100115/t ... 4ea94.html

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:44 pm

[url=http://www.thestar.com/news/world/artic ... na-pageant]Beijing police shut down “Mr. Gay Chinaâ€

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Post by gyre » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:50 pm

France joins Germany warning against Internet Explorer

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8465038.stm


German government warns against using MS Explorer

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8463516.stm

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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:22 pm

Uuummmm, I think like I already posted that.
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Post by Grazelda » Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:57 am

Let's see... Google works directly with the Chinese government to identify dissidents so they can be arrested, jailed and/or "disappeared". Google gives the Chinese (always known as a bastion of copyright protection, right?) open access to their engine nomenclature so the Chinese can better hunt, arrest and jail those who speak out. Google facilitates all this in their never-ending quest for more and more, and more, and more money. Google works hand-in-hand with the Chinese government to ensure that no one in China (or anyone else in the world) mistakenly thinks they have ANY fundamental right to privacy or the free exchange of ideas.

And you think the people of China now morn Google's (completely bogus) stamping of its adolescent feet in a silly fake techno-tantrum? Google's current round of bullshit is another lame PR maneuver to offer the perception that they have the balls to stand up against all that money which the Chinese marketplace represents. All Google wants is unfettered profit - regardless the lives they ruin in their laissez faire quest to deny free speech.

Google is a contemporary example of irresponsible capitalism run amuck. They will NEVER leave China - and that much money - behind. They will woof, offer fake rants, and then cash the checks just like always; while turning a blind eye and ear to the screams of those whose deaths they intentionally facilitate for profit. If a USA private investigative firm was found to help track and facilitate the arrest of dissidents in China people would call them slime for doing so. Google does it, makes a massive profit in the process, and is heralded as some sort of sick hero AND PLACES THE BLAME ON INTERNET EXPLORER!?!?!?!?

Fuck Google. Hope they get hacked like my grannies panties. They deserve it!

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Post by gyre » Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:50 pm

I still hope for the best, but you could be right.

Youtube censorship is so atrocious to me that I may post the videos I'm working on elsewhere.
If they keep it up, they will become the MTV® of video sites- totally fucking meaningless.

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Google commonly censors search results to comply with Digital Millennium Copyright Act-related legal complaints.[2]

In 2002 Google was found to have censored websites that provided information critical of Scientology, in compliance with the United States' DMCA legislation.[3][4] Google replaced the banned results with links to the DMCA complaint that caused the site to be removed. The DMCA complaint contains the site to be removed, and the organizations that requested the removal. The publicity stemming from this incident was the impetus for Google's making public of the DMCA notices on the Chilling Effects archive, which archives legal threats made against Internet users and Internet sites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_Google
http://sethf.com/anticensorware/general ... orship.php
http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2007-03-02-n19.html
http://www.google.cn/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10265123-2.html

Internet censorship is modern Berlin Wall, claims Clinton
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... l?ITO=1490

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Post by gyre » Fri May 21, 2010 3:57 pm

Playable pacman on the logo this weekend.

http://www.google.com/

I googled google and my machine had a stroke.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri May 21, 2010 4:18 pm

A googolplex is the number 10googol, which can also be written as the number 1 followed by a googol zeros (i.e., 10100 zeros).

In 1938, Edward Kasner's nine-year-old nephew Milton Sirotta coined the term googol; Milton then proposed the further term googolplex to be "one, followed by writing zeroes until you get tired". Kasner decided to adopt a more formal definition "because different people get tired at different times and it would never do to have Carnera be a better mathematician than Dr. Einstein, simply because he had more endurance and could write for longer". It thus became standardized to 10googol.

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