Temporary Autonomous Zone

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:57 am

I read the book years ago...it was basically an anarchist manifesto..of sort. Written by Hakim Bey.
Burning Man as an organized festival, is a lot like Disneyland. But deep down, I think we have collectively, created an autonomous zone. Even with all the law enforcement, what we are allowed to get away with in Nevada...kinda conservative..is amazing!
With idiot groups like the tea baggers popping up, I see more and more the relevance of our community.

fciron · Post by **fciron** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:12 pm

If I were the trouble-making, devil's advocate type I would argue that these tea party rallies are also TAZs...

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:06 pm

I guess, if you count freedom from rational thought a zone. I think the far right, in america, have lost their fucking minds. They've shut down, socially.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:53 am

I read this long before BM. I think it was published in the Loompanics catalog.

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:30 pm

It was. Found my copy on Haight St..I think.

bauhaus · Post by **bauhaus** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:10 pm

Aren't there a lot of libertarians at these "tea bagger" events? The tea party org is a good start, but its being hijacked by republicans.

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:32 pm

bauhaus wrote:Aren't there a lot of libertarians at these "tea bagger" events? The tea party org is a good start, but its being hijacked by republicans.

I like libertarians, and seriously doubt they have any part..they split years ago.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:37 am

wilson was basically an anarchist. even though the concept isnt entierely new - its a variation of certain naturally emergent social movements in the absence of a formalized authoritarian structure- but it was never as well voiced and explained until his work.

much of the early bay-area movements that gave rise to things like burningman also shared common platforms of beliefs, so its natural to make the association. underground party collectives and cacaphony, and survival research labs are a few others, but taz adoption was more spread than being a bay-area centered phenomenon.

Timezone LaFontaine · Post by **Timezone LaFontaine** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:22 pm

Not sure what Hakim Bey thinks about Burning Man specifically, but he has said that raves/freeparties share certain elements with his definition of TAZs. But he seems to draw a line at the use of electronic music as he considers it a form of mediation. Of course he also seems to periodically bring up his interest in pedophilia and incest, which has ultimately soured me to the rest of what he says.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:04 pm

Let's get on with it!

http://www.hermetic.com/bey/taz3.html#labelTAZ

Read or bleed.

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:11 pm

Timezone LaFontaine wrote:Not sure what Hakim Bey thinks about Burning Man specifically, but he has said that raves/freeparties share certain elements with his definition of TAZs. But he seems to draw a line at the use of electronic music as he considers it a form of mediation. Of course he also seems to periodically bring up his interest in pedophilia and incest, which has ultimately soured me to the rest of what he says.

Ted Kaczinsky soured me, by killing innocent civilians, but I had to agree with a lot of what he wrote. Ben Franklin was the most interesing of our "founding" fathers, but acknowledged the practicality of worshipping satan (not that I care, but someone else might)...he also wrote "Fart Proudly" hehe

Thanx for posting the TAZ UglyDougly!

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:16 pm

TomServo wrote: Ted Kaczinsky soured me, by killing innocent civilians...

Maybe that was his assignment. And you're welcome, Tom.

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:21 pm

Maybe..but I didn't see any good reasons in his manifesto. Maybe the New York Times edited that out.

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:39 pm

All my assignments had a well specified objective...

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:06 am

How does electronic music mediate? Can it help me wiht my divorce?

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:45 am

theCryptofishist wrote:How does electronic music mediate? Can it help me wiht my divorce?

I don't see where Hakim Bey mentions this in his manifesto.
Welcome to eplaya!

Timezone LaFontaine · Post by **Timezone LaFontaine** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:09 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:How does electronic music mediate? Can it help me wiht my divorce?

If I'm remembering it correctly, his concept of Immediatism is to remove all the mediating factors of connection between people. So, speaking face-to-face would be more immediate than speaking on a phone, or through a forum like this. In a similar sense, I think he regards electronic music as being less immediate than acoustic music, in that it is having to go through these mediating steps, relying on electricity, amplification, perhaps including samples of previously recorded music and so forth.

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:30 pm

Timezone LaFontaine wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:How does electronic music mediate? Can it help me wiht my divorce?

If I'm remembering it correctly, his concept of Immediatism is to remove all the mediating factors of connection between people. So, speaking face-to-face would be more immediate than speaking on a phone, or through a forum like this. In a similar sense, I think he regards electronic music as being less immediate than acoustic music, in that it is having to go through these mediating steps, relying on electricity, amplification, perhaps including samples of previously recorded music and so forth.

would you categorize into types of responsiveness?

a heightened responsiveness of mediums would seem to indicate
the cover-band phenomenon, adjunct, philo/

\Sophy

if the nature of what's amplified is of flux...

or then, acoustic, being mere mechanistic amplification

"what's the nature of games, and who's most potent to be self-fulfilled", quoth the boar

lonestoner916 · Post by **lonestoner916** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:53 pm

the fire elf wrote:
Timezone LaFontaine wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:How does electronic music mediate? Can it help me wiht my divorce?

If I'm remembering it correctly, his concept of Immediatism is to remove all the mediating factors of connection between people. So, speaking face-to-face would be more immediate than speaking on a phone, or through a forum like this. In a similar sense, I think he regards electronic music as being less immediate than acoustic music, in that it is having to go through these mediating steps, relying on electricity, amplification, perhaps including samples of previously recorded music and so forth.
would you categorize into types of responsiveness?

a heightened responsiveness of mediums would seem to indicate
the cover-band phenomenon, adjunct, philo/\Sophy

if the nature of what's amplified is of flux...

or then, acoustic, being mere mechanistic amplification

"what's the nature of games, and who's most potent to be self-fulfilled", quoth the boar

Fire Elf, it's good to see you posting somewhere besides in the "My mind begins to hum" thread! For someone of your obvious intelligence, the more the better! Please feel free to join us whenever you like!

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:19 am

don't know myself to be obvious... yet thanks for the validation/invitation

the mind seems like a fancy blue hole, if flesh were earth

sometimes a sparrow, sometimes the birdhawk, the awareness flits above

any novel advance in thought worth being reeks a bit of taz

concious and collective, the potency roils

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:01 pm

i'm working in a clubscene, which, when popular, has a different sort of
kinesis through the surface, but the underneath seems anchored in a
cloisteredness... small circles of trust

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:05 pm

... and that's when a giant adventure is flirting 'cross a small gap

elf's sword · Post by **elf's sword** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:51 pm

Psychometrics: all seeing, all knowing?

Formative assessments are diagnostic.

Summative assessments are evaluative.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:59 pm

Concrete assessments are infinitely preferable.

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:42 pm

and what would be done with them?

they can stand a mountain of shyte on a kernal of truth

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:53 pm

...book tells the story of Jonathan Livingston Seagull, a seagull who is
bored with the daily squabbles over food. Seized by a passion for flight,
he pushes himself, learning everything he can about flying, until finally his
unwillingness to conform results in his expulsion from his flock. An
outcast, he continues to learn, becoming increasingly pleased with his
abilities as he leads an idyllic life.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:25 pm

+ First Camp
1. Cafe
2. Dueling DJs
3. Friends of Larry
4. Straw bales
5. Chris Campbell's balls
6. Sacrificial Greeters
7. Lots of explosive stuff
8. Moat of kerosene

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:29 pm

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:04 pm

+TAZ
1. Demanding full attention (actively/passively)
2. Dissolution of precept applicability over time (non-absolute)
3. Pronounced mood shifts
4. Skill receptive
5. Largely affable
6. Extirpation of... whatever that was that weighs the mind

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:30 am

Finally a game that anyone can play.