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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:04 pm

What is it about Black conservatives that are attracted to me?
Just found out another one just became friends with me yesterday.
And she is hardcore Palin and the tea party.

Go figure?? :shock: :lol:

From my friend on another board. She just posted this:


"It's probably a good idea for me to let everyone know that I am very passionate about my political views, and for those who have visited my ________ via my husbands ______, there is no doubt a level of surprise that they experience when they discover that I promote my conservative views and ideology, unashamedly and boldly, here on FaceBook, on Twitter, on Team Sarah, on AACONS (African American Conservatives), Twitter, and on my Blogspot page.

While many of the folks who ask me to __________, no doubt expect me to discuss topics relating to music, my exciting life as the wife of a Living Legendary vocalist, or my own 40 year professional career in the business, those things will NOT be my focus in 2010.

Yes, its true that I was discovered by Donny Hathaway, while I was a freshman in college. Yes, it's true that I did background vocals with him on his early recordings, including 'Take A Love Song', and 'The Ghetto', and yes its true that I sang jingles and commercials with him, (Afro Sheen and Ultra Sheen) and even sang the duet 'The Closer I Get To You' with him in his last public concert, a week before he committed suicide, and yes, all of that is significant.

But for me, at this juncture in history, I find that promoting Conservatives and conservative values takes priority over my extensive music history. Why this year? Because this is an Election year, that's why.

At some point in the near future, I will write a couple of books. One will be a biography on Phil Perry, who I consider to be THE greatest singer on the planet, and the other will be about my own career in the music business. In many respects, my career began simply to lead me to ______, as I did not go to college with the intent to become a professional vocalist. It was GODS Providence that led me to this Destiny. But there is so much more to my own life that has nothing to do with music or performance. It's a life full of contrasts and variety, and history that is uncommon for most Americans, let alone for a little colored girl born in the mountains of Virginia. It's an American story...one that could have ONLY taken place in America, the country I love.

So for those of you who are liberals, statists, marxists, socialists, facists, anti-semites, Democrats, or any other category of Haters towards those , like myself, who are Conservative, Believers in the One True and Living God, Capitalists, Constitutionalists, Free Market Entrepenuers, Republicans, Bible/Torah Believers, Creationists, Young Earth theorists...you just might want to disconnect from my ______ today.

This year, besides managing my husbands career and seeing to the ways of the remaining three college offspring who still llive with us, teaching English to Spanish speakers in a low performing public school, tweeting, traveling, working out, keeping up with the news, and holding the present Obama Administrations feet to the fire... I'll be rolling my sleeves up and doing what I love to do - political activism through blogging, and social networking.

Last year, I sat at booths to help win a victory for traditional marriage in California. For three years, I served the people of California as a State Commissioner appointed by Governor Arnold Schwarzenneger after a rigorous vetting process, and I sat on the panel of union fueled elitist Commissioners who know nothing about the authentic classroom environment, but yet make policy for credentilaing teachers which has made no difference in scores or the quallity of public education in California.

Before that, I stood with this same Governor during his 2005 Special Election as a Teacher Surrogate, appearing throughout the State to advance Props 74-75-76-77, and receiving hate mail and death threats from the union I unknowingly defied as a result of standing for what I felt were excellent measures to improve our State (which has since fallen into bankruptcy and corruption).

Since that time, I have become an Fee Payer, who continues to pay dues to the union, but who opts out of the political portion of the dues year to year, because I don't want my money to pay for things I don't believe in, i.e., abortions, the gay marriage agenda, or fighting the Three Strikes Law, which all have nothing to do with education, but as a teacher is forced on me as a prerequisite for employment.

When I was 16 years old, I marched with my illustrious father, a Civil Rights activist, with Dr. King in Chicago, and later in college I protested the Kent State murders in 1970 by marching in protest in front of Ft. Sheridan in Illinois. At the age of 14, I endured hatred and racial slurs from local white residents who did not want to see a Chicago high school integrated, traveling by bus an hour both ways to and from the school and my home on the other side of town.

During the Clinton years, I took the hate from people of color who called me names for not voting Democrat, and later in 2000 and 2004 enduring the insults and condescension for campaigning for G.W. Bush in both elections. Long before that, I experienced the disingenuous shock from those consdescending whites and enlightened non-voting black haters who could NOT believe that I was a Reagan Conservative.

As I reflect, I believe that I have received more Hate from black folks, than I ever could have received from any other ethnic group. There is no KKK klansman to compare with the Voter Discrimination I have been the target of from people of color. I'm surethat they would never believe that in spite of growing up on the SouthSide of Chicago, on the same block as the First Lady's father, I have never voted Democrat, in my entire life. It would probably surprise them that my father was a speech writer for the old Mayor Daley and Jane Byrne...and yet I voted as an Independent until I fell in love with the conservative ideas of Ronald Reagan.

I could go on and on...but in a nutshell, I have always been an independent thinker, voting character not color, voting conscience and values rather than voting as a slave/victim on Uncle Sams Plantation.

For most of my early life, living in Chicago under the Daley Machine politics, I spent a lot of my time trying to convince my Chicago friends, to vote AT ALL, having never missed an election since I was legally of age. The attitude of most was 'why bother? My vote doesn't count.' Yet, these same people were authorities on all things political, boldly displaying a lack of critical thinking skills, unable to explain why they held the views they held. Everything for them was black and white, while my views were multi-colored, shaped by a Biblical world view with GOD'S Word as my plumbline.

I watched in horror as liberal policies decimated communities of color across the country. I watched able bodied men and women languish on front steps of their public housing, waiting on welfare checks, while producing babies out of wedlock at warp speed, in order to qualify for government assistance. I watched gangs take over, while corrupt police turned their faces away, and opened up their palms for pay offs. I watched families dissolve, and single motherhood explode. I watched as drugs took the minds and spirits of a people once fired up with self-determination and entrepenurial creativity. Today I see the ruins of major urban communities, cities and states whose leadership is under several layers of liberalism.

I grew up under Jim Crow, both in Virginia and Chicago, but I have lived long enough to see things change. I am proud of America, for she is a self-correcting country. However, there are the Race Peddlers, both black and white men (primarily Democrats) who are the Dinosaurs of the once vital Civil Rights Movement, who are slowly making their way towards the burial grounds of extinction, but not without first making the final efforts at devouring those around them with a Victim Mentality which is all but obsolete, and so totally Sixties.

So this is where I am, and this is where I'll be. Not having previously filtered the Friends I have so far on FB, I am now in the process of becoming more discriminating. I don't debate or argue. I did my best to warn friends during the 2007 and 2008 election cycle, and now we find ourselves in a national crisis of over spending and government expansion. We have a White House full of inexperienced and inept idealogues who are intent on turning our country away from the ideals which made this Republic great. We find ourselves under the leadership of a narcissitic POTUS who is destroying his own party because of his inability to relate to the majority of Americans. Unlike President Clinton, he is unable to pivot back to the center, in order to save his own Presidency, let alone the upcoming elections of Democrats across the country. It is what it is...

So this is an invitation to those of you who may want to tangle with me because of my stance, to excuse yourselves away from my ______. If I only have _______ left, it will not bother me in the least bit, as I would rather have a few good friends, than hundreds of people who are only signing on to my page because I am somebody's wife.

There are times when people are on their death beds, holding on for dear life, that someone has to tell them to 'go on...let go...go on...we'll be fine...just go on...let go'.

So for those of you who disagree with me, or loathe me, or find me offensive, but who I personally consider to be on the 'death beds of Statist, Democrat, and Liberal thought'...I encourage you to 'go on...I'll be just fine...just go on...and let go.'

2010 is the Year of the Conservative - whether you like it or not. Maybe, just maybe, we can rescue America from its total economic demise! And maybe, ust maybe we can pump up our National Security Defense again, and America can become as safe for the next three years, as it had been since 2001 under the Bush Administration. Maybe, just maybe, we can resume the War on Terror, and take the fight to the enemy, instead of responding to the attacks from the enemy, and the loss of American lives.

I'm suiting up, clinging to my Bible and my weapons of warfare...and as a woman of mixed American heritage, I'm ready to rumble. I've never been as ready in all of my 60 years, as I am now!

Let's get it on!"




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I just asked her if she has ever heard of Dale Robertson? She said no. I guess I have a rather Diverse set of friends eh? :P
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:19 pm

Israeli conservatives attack U.S.-based philanthropy as unpatriotic

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Nationalist groups accuse the New Israel Fund of seeking to undermine Israel, alleging that rights groups it has sponsored provided most of the testimony to a U.N. panel on the Gaza war.

By Edmund Sanders

February 7, 2010 | 2:38 p.m.

Reporting from Jerusalem - A U.S.-based philanthropy that funds human rights groups in Israel is under fire amid accusations that its recipients provided the bulk of evidence to a U.N. commission that issued a report highly critical of Israel's Gaza Strip offensive a year ago.

Leaders of the Washington-based New Israel Fund, whose recipients include several organizations that promote Palestinian rights, said Sunday that they are being unfairly targeted by conservatives in Israel seeking to silence opposing viewpoints.

"It's an attempt to stifle dissent," said Daniel Sokatch, chief executive of the fund, which donates about $15 million annually to human rights and civil society groups in Israel.

The group's donations were the focus of a Jan. 29 report by Im Tirtzu, a self-described centrist Zionist group that alleged 92% of the material collected inside Israel by the United Nations' Goldstone Commission originated with New Israel Fund grantees.

Last fall, the U.N. panel, headed by South African jurist Richard Goldstone, accused Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas of committing war crimes during Israel's 22-day assault in Gaza, which has been under an Israeli blockade since 2007. The Israeli offensive, launched in response to rocket fire by Hamas and other groups into Israel, killed about 1,400 Palestinians. Thirteen Israelis died during the assault.

The Israeli military has condemned the findings as biased and inaccurate. The Goldstone report accuses the military of using disproportionate force and deliberately targeting civilians. Many Israelis have expressed concerns that the report has tarnished their nation's reputation.

Im Tirtzu leaders say the New Israel Fund and its recipients were instrumental in assisting the U.N with its inquiry, with which Israel refused to cooperate. Im Tirtzu founder Erez Tadmor accused the fund of financing a "propagandist campaign" aimed at "de-legitimizing Israel, negating its right to exist and its right to self-defense."

In a media and advertising campaign, Im Tirtzu and its supporters labeled the New Israel Fund and the groups its supports as unpatriotic. An Israeli member of parliament is calling for an investigation into the fund's activities.

"In the end," one leading newspaper columnist wrote, "they serve the agenda of Iran and Hamas."

Fund President Naomi Chazan, a former lawmaker, was depicted in newspaper ads with a horn sprouting from her forehead. The Jerusalem Post newspaper canceled her regular column.

"This atmosphere is bordering on McCarthyism," said Melanie Takefman, spokeswoman for the Assn. for Civil Rights in Israel. "There is increasing nationalism and a feeling that more and more things have become taboo."

In the aftermath of the Goldstone report, some critics have accused the Israeli government of attempting to crack down on foreign aid workers, journalists and charities working in the Palestinian territories or perceived as supporting Palestinian causes.

New Israel Fund officials acknowledge that some recipients cooperated with the Goldstone investigation, but they estimated that the materials provided accounted for 14% of the total evidence collected, according to fund spokeswoman Naomi Paiss. She said human rights groups were just doing their jobs.

"This is what human rights group do," she said, noting that the fund did not necessarily endorse their positions. "They are supposed to monitor and report."

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Batsheva Sobelman in The Times' Jerusalem Bureau contributed to this report.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:24 pm

So I guess New Israel Fund is racist also?

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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:01 pm

just posting a link here real quick. Dont have time to do it my normal way.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainme ... 2831.story

Get back to it later.

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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:01 pm

Ok, I dont know how many of you will get a kick out of this one, but I just found out my black Republican friend does not like black people.

This just gets weirder and weirder. :shock:
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Post by ygmir » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:24 pm

egad..........is this true?









Think Government Is Corrupt? You May Face 10 Years In Jail
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South Carolina forces "subversives" to register with the authorities or do hard time

Subversives who think government is corrupt and should be controlled by the people face 10 years in prison and a $25,000 dollar fine if they fail to register with authorities in South Carolina, in another chilling example of how free speech and dissent is being criminalized in America.

The state's "Subversive Activities Registration Act" is now officially on the books and mandates that "Every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States ... shall register with the Secretary of State."

Of course, the right to overthrow a government that has become corrupt, abusive and completely unrepresentative of its electorate is enshrined in the Declaration of Independence - that's how America came to be a Republic in the first place - advocating or teaching that the people should "control" the government via their elected representatives is a basic function of a democratic society, but this law effectively makes it a terrorist offense.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness," states the Declaration of Independence.

Under the sweeping terms of the law, members of tax protest organizations, the Tea Party movement and the States' Rights movement based in South Carolina are all domestic terrorists if they fail to register their dissent with the authorities.

It is important to stress that the notion this law somehow only applies to "Islamic terrorists" is completely at odds with the fact that federal and state authorities now consider the main terror threat to be from informed American citizens exercising their constitutional rights in opposition to the big government agenda they are being subjected to.

As we saw with the MIAC report and a plethora of similar training manuals which were leaked over the last decade, police are being trained that libertarians, gun owners, Ron Paul supporters and anyone who is mildly political is a domestic extremist and a potential terrorist - these people are the real target of the subversives list in South Carolina.

The infamous Phoenix Federal Bureau of Investigation manual (page one, page two) produced in association with the Joint Terrorism Task Force listed "defenders of the U.S. constitution" and "lone individuals" as terrorists. Will anyone in South Carolina who defends the Constitution, the very bedrock of what America stands for, have to register with the authorities unless they want to be locked up for a decade?
Of course, since nobody is going to register as a "subversive" with South Carolina authorities, their failure to "comply" with the regulation will later be used against them as a means of eliciting criminal charges, in what represents a clear end run around the First Amendment.

The government isn't going to just come out all guns blazing and ban free speech, they are simply going to make anyone who refuses to register for permission a criminal for failing to adhere to a separate mandate.
Just like people in places such as New York and Chicago were told that they had to get a license to purchase a gun - at first the process was a mere inconvenience but now the licensing process means they have to jump through 200 flaming hoops and the second amendment has effectively been outlawed in these cities.
They won't hesitate to pull the same tricks with the First Amendment, and it's already happening with calls to license Internet users and force them to get government permission to run a website.

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Post by can't sit still » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:52 pm

" or an organization subject to foreign control"
No problem, I'm sure that the members of AIPAC will be first in line to register.
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Post by dr.placebo » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:11 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Ok, I dont know how many of you will get a kick out of this one, but I just found out my black Republican friend does not like black people.

This just gets weirder and weirder. :shock:
Her essay was a bit bizarre, to say the least. It reminds of the Stockholm Syndrome.

But IMHO it's not the race of the writer that governs her thought, it is the literalist belief in a narrow biblical interpretation that makes her identify with the religious right and its political aims. She described herself as "clinging to my Bible" and I see no reason to doubt it.

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dr.placebo wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Ok, I dont know how many of you will get a kick out of this one, but I just found out my black Republican friend does not like black people.

This just gets weirder and weirder. :shock:
Her essay was a bit bizarre, to say the least. It reminds of the Stockholm Syndrome.

But IMHO it's not the race of the writer that governs her thought, it is the literalist belief in a narrow biblical interpretation that makes her identify with the religious right and its political aims. She described herself as "clinging to my Bible" and I see no reason to doubt it.
yeah I know. I still have yet to show her the pic of Dale Robertson yet. Just sent her the bio the tea party has of him being the founder. She did not know who he was. Imagine that! :lol:

I want to just ease it on her. :lol:
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ygmir wrote:egad..........is this true?









Think Government Is Corrupt? You May Face 10 Years In Jail
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South Carolina forces "subversives" to register with the authorities or do hard time

It's South Carolina for cyin out loud. What else would you expect? :lol:
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Post by dr.placebo » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:51 pm

DVD Burner wrote:I want to just ease it on her. :lol:
You could try a simple graph...
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Post by ygmir » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:52 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
ygmir wrote:egad..........is this true?









Think Government Is Corrupt? You May Face 10 Years In Jail
Paul Joseph Watson

South Carolina forces "subversives" to register with the authorities or do hard time

It's South Carolina for cyin out loud. What else would you expect? :lol:
why does it matter where it is?
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Post by magicmarty » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:26 am

I guess location is significant because South Carolina is one of the most conservative states in the US.

I wonder how many of those railing against health care reform have refused their Medicare participation (or even know that Medicare is a government run health insurance program) and how many of the legislators who have stopped health care reform have given up their government run healthcare benefits. Just wondering

As for me, having Medicare has literally saved my life. My Dad died at age 59 when there was no Medicare, from the same types of heart and related illnesses that I have survived to age 78 (in April). Gonna rock at the Burn again in 2010! Ain't ideology swell!

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Post by magicmarty » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:35 am

Kind of makes me think of the old joke ..... Support mental health or I'll kill you!

Doc Placebo has DVD's friend pegged correctly as does DVD

She has civil rights due to past battles of others and can't see why people like my two gay daughters and their wives and children should not have those same benefits. Hey, I got mine, now pull up the drawbridge.
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Post by ygmir » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:49 am

magicmarty wrote:I guess location is significant because South Carolina is one of the most conservative states in the US.

I wonder how many of those railing against health care reform have refused their Medicare participation (or even know that Medicare is a government run health insurance program) and how many of the legislators who have stopped health care reform have given up their government run healthcare benefits. Just wondering

As for me, having Medicare has literally saved my life. My Dad died at age 59 when there was no Medicare, from the same types of heart and related illnesses that I have survived to age 78 (in April). Gonna rock at the Burn again in 2010! Ain't ideology swell!

Democracy is messy and inefficient. Got a better idea?
I still don't see, how, where it is diminishes it's very negative connotations, well, negative to me, anyway.

I think, a lot of those "railing against healthcare reform", are saying they don't like what was proposed.......
What "they" came up, with, to many, was a farcical, vague attempt, or, purely misleading.......

I think a lot would rather take a lot of time, do it right, do it once.
Tort reform is always left out by the dems........and, to many, that is one of the lynch pins of high healthcare costs.
The trial lawyers are deep in the dems pockets on that one.
But, this drives a huge cost for insurance, and, that, along with insurance company greed, seems a problem.
But, if not faced with huge, often unreasonable lawsuits, the insurance industry would not have that to hide behind........


nope, nothing better than what we have......at least, that's workable with a country as large as ours, and, as diverse, IMHO.
Democracy (well, IIRC, representative republic), is still the only way we can do it.

Of course, I'm a 10th amendment/states rights person, and, would rather see far less fed. gov. and, more like envisioned:
separate, autonomous, state/countries, loosely associated by a central gov. for the FEW things a central gov. can do better.
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Post by magicmarty » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:38 am

I agree that dimininshing free speech is not good. In this case, if it is to be believed, the free speech is allegedly being diminished in a very conservative state, where freedom is presumably valued more than it might be in a more blue state. That is the irony

With respect to health care, we have only been working on it for about 50 years or so. Many of the critics have even said "keep the government's hands off our Medicare" The subject is VERY complex and there have been enormous mountains of misinformation heaped upon it that have distorted what is really in the proposed legislation. Tort reform would have a very statistically minor effect on the cost of the system. However, it should be included without hindering a patient's right to redress in the case of a real damaging effect of malpractice. Far more costly is the insertion of the additional 14% cost of the private insurance Medicare Advantage policies.

This has not been rushed through. In my mind, it is long overdue. Our medical costs in the US are about double those in almost every other industrial nation, and our outcomes are far from the best in almost every catagory Imagine, a prescription drug plan, where the government is not permitted to negotiate prices with the drug companies. That would not have needed more time to figure out. It would have simply needed a less beholden administration and congress to say bull shit to that and say if you want to participate and get all of these new customers, you gotta negotiate with us so we can get the tax payers the best deal.

It is really too bad that the debate on this subject can't be honest and without the enormous influence of the Insurance and Drug industries. The Dems have tried to cobble together a plan in the midst of all of the forgoing influences. The Reps have really just said no, for both political and Insurance and Drug company influences as well and now we have zip. The uninsured cost us all far too much. It is like auto insurance Spread the risk You gotta have it

As for more localized government, good thought, but from personal experience as a supplier to both Medicare and MediCal, I can catagorically state that the state run MediCal is far more difficult to deal with than is Medicare. As a business trying to serve all of Medicaid, you need to have 50 different billing systems and adhere to 50 different sets of rules and regulations. A bloody nightmare that very few companies are prepared or are equipped to do.

Our legisltators should be sitting around a warm fire talking about these issues, separating fact from fiction and stop trying to make brownie points and political "gotchas" away from the influence of the Drug and Insurance industries to solve these problems. Does anyone think that is going to happen. I really don't think so. So, it is back to democracy being messy and inefficient and we have to try to get the best possible piece of sausage out of this messy process.

Way too long, but healthcare pushes my buttons and it is something that I have been very involved in as both a provider and as a recipient.
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Post by ygmir » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:53 am

not at all to long, and, Marty, well said and with clarity.
I value your opinions.
I disagree with placing all the smoke and mirrors on the reps, though.
It's all about money and power, IMHO.......I am totally cynical towards Washington, Inc.
It's just a question of who's getting what.

Part of my cynicism, is pointed to, in your response:
If, tort reform is such a small thing, then, why won't the dems include it?
Perhaps, their lobbyists have influence there?.......
Just sayin, they've all got folks in their pockets. (a polite way of putting it).

It probably comes down to a basic change in human nature and thought, related to peoples heath, IMHO:

to get the greed and corruption, read: costs, under control, you gotta convince everyone, that, their neighbors health is important, that their neighbors are important, and, we should do what's in their best interest, because, it's in our own.
Do docs need to make 6 figures? nurses? pharmaceutical execs.? Pharmacists? Insurance workers?

on and on?

Everyone wants as much as they can get. sure.

Somewhere, though, it has to be either the generosity of providers, or, a truly free market that would put costs where they should be.

and, what is your health/life worth?
Would you spend all you have to stay alive?
Should you?
Should society care if you leave assets for family, if you die?

tough questions, but, I think, relevant.
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Post by magicmarty » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:08 am

Oftentimes it is not "if you would spend all you have to stay alive", but rather is what you have enough to cover the cost to stay alive. Roughly 60% of all medical costs are devoted to the last six months of people's lives. I for one, do not want those "heroic" and very costly measures taken to extend my life for a few days and months. And yet, there were false red flags raised about "death panels" in the current proposed legislation. Yet, insurance companies unofficially do the death panel thing now in deciding what medical measures are patient appropriate. My urologist told me that there is no sense in seeing me since it was far more likely that I would die of something other than prostate cancer which I do not have. Very sensible, I thought. Saves the system a little money. My last angioplasty was well over $40,000. Thank heaven for Medicare.

Yes, very definitely, we must all understand that the health of our neighbors is vital to the health of us all and it is a moral issue and not one that should be dominated by the power of insurance and drug interests. Right now, many doctors are no longer taking medicare patients because the reimbursement is too low. And they are right. Yet, the Insurance and drug companies are rolling in the dough. Not fair and very damaging in my opinion.



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Post by ygmir » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:28 am

yes, and then, I have yet to see a doctor who is middle class, let alone poor, related to finances........
ultimately, using your example, can not the doctor and others perform an angioplasty, and, not charge? or, charge based on ability to pay?
Is that generosity not available, or possible?
It takes everyone......
could we not sue unreasonably, or agree, and, cut the insurance companies out?
Could not a competing manufacturer, make affordable drugs, and, we, as the ultimate power (as a jury), refuse to convict them for patent violation?


I"m not judging worth, but, referencing that to the dropping medicare/cal patients because the payments are to low, or slow......
Part of it, IMHO, is on the professionals, too.
I agree with you, that it is complicated.........ergo my feeling it's more of a change of mindset/values than anything else, that, would, ultimately, bring about substantive change

If, people would take seriously the power we have, especially regarding juries, we could stop many things.
Imagine, a company making affordable medications, and, when the "big guy" sues, the jury won't grant an award?
The other side, is, it takes a ton of money to develope drugs, much of the time.
Where does that come from?
I would abhor a new tax for funding......so, it would mean, that, companies have to make some profit for that, as well.........

Capitalism is messy and unfair,
Communism is repressive and unfair.......

but, then again, from whence doth the promise of fairness in life, emanate?
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Post by magicmarty » Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:46 am

To answer your last Possibly from the spirit of Burning Man .. possibly from the words of Jesus .... possibly from the human heart ... do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Also, I would not relish the idea of an amatuer performing an angioplasty on me or you, dear buddy. Medicare gives me the choice of MDs. Not so with Medicare Advantage the private insurance Medicare supported alternative. There you must use an MD in their system.

Taxes are the price of a civilized society

Next time we are together, which I hope will be soon, we can have a good talk about all of this over a cup of coffee, around the fire. Right now, I gotta run so I can make some money to pay for my eating habit.

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Post by ygmir » Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:00 am

Perfect........I'll look forward to that.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:40 pm

Snow Storm Shuts Down the Nation's Capitol

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I don't know what we're going to do.... :(

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Post by dr.placebo » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:21 pm

HEAVY-METAL MUSIC, OTHER SOUNDS AIMED AT BEETLE PESTS
A novel approach to controlling tree-destroying beetles uses piped-in rock music and backward recordings of Rush Limbaugh.
Richard Hofstetter, an entomology professor at Northern Arizona University who worked on the project, told Discovery News that "the most annoying sound" his colleague, Reagan McGuire, "could think of was Rush Limbaugh or rock music."

McGuire started to pump the sounds of Limbaugh into portions of infested tree trunks brought into their lab, but Hofstetter said McGuire "could not bear listening to Limbaugh, so he ended up playing Rush backwards, which still kept the voice and intonation the same, but the words were meaningless."
It's meaningless in either direction, actually.

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Post by ygmir » Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:10 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:Snow Storm Shuts Down the Nation's Capitol

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I don't know what we're going to do.... :(
to bad it doesn't stay closed......We're safest when they do nothing.........
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Post by can't sit still » Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:49 pm

Fascinating paper on Technocracy and carbon currencies. It sheds a lot of light on things like Kyoto and carbon credits.
http://www.augustreview.com/issues/tech ... 100125155/
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Post by gyre » Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:10 am

Don't fall for THE VERY BIG LIE of tort reform.
It's a scam.

The tort system was designed by and for people like doctors and hospitals and big companies.
It is all a lie.

Tort reform is called for, but not the way the con men describe it.

It needs to be dramatically tougher on the medical profession.
The practice of deny and lie is still the standard for the medical profession.

I campaign actively against the latest tort reform scam.
I speak for tort reform to their design, with the addition of the criminal penalties that are currently stripped out.
They expose their real agenda quickly after that.
Usually they want to drop the matter when real tort reform comes up.
Their examples don't even pass the stink test.

The worse thing in play currently is the ability to buy sealed court records when danger to others is part of the case.
They love that.

All they are asking for now is a free ride.
Back to the days of 100,000 industrial deaths a year and no regrets!

Don't fall for it.

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Worth watching and backs my point of politics is for suckers. Enjoy!
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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:57 pm

ygmir wrote:
Ugly Dougly wrote:Snow Storm Shuts Down the Nation's Capitol

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I don't know what we're going to do.... :(
to bad it doesn't stay closed......We're safest when they do nothing.........


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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:27 pm

I'm just gonna post this link here like this.

It's on the FBI closing the anthrax letters case.

Does anyone else here think this sounds really kinda strange?

I just found out that the main suspect was to have killed himself last year?

Something smells really funny about this.
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