Burn Barrel question...

[TomServo]

Have used burn barrels at the ranch, and my former camp. Been looking online, but can't find the answer to my question....should the barrels be stripped of any paint, before use? Worried about paint chips mooping the playa. Don't mind the extra work, just curious if its necessary.

[ygmir]

or, burn it a time or two, at home, to remove the paint, maybe on a driveway or some thing, so, you can recover the ash?

[TomServo]

Cool, thanx!

[Sail Man]

or, burn it a time or two, at home, to remove the paint, maybe on a driveway or some thing, so, you can recover the ash?

[CLARKcon]

I was thinkin' about having a small burn barrel as well (possibly fabricated w/ arc design slots cut out near top). This is probably a 'no brainer' question, but does the barrel need to be raised (pedistal/tri-pod footing stand?) to keep it off the playa to prevent a heat scar

[Captain Goddammit]

Nah, if you scar the playa you can just brush some loose playa dirt over the area and pack it down with some greywater!

[dragonfly Jafe]

..if you do scar the Playa, slosh a goodly amount of PBR over the stain. This won't do a thing for repairing the scar, but later, when everyone normal leaves and it is just that scar covered with PBR and the DPW clean-up crew, some desperate lackey will gladly lick it all up, stain and all, since it will be the closest thing to alcohol that is left in that region for months.

That's why it is not a good idea to leave your un-used alcohol at the DPW pile on the way out - the Playa will ultimately suffer for it.

[epic_elite]

how much heat do you need to scar playa?

ive been to beach bon fires and burned what amounted to half trees.

in the morning the sand was pink...

kick brown sand over pink sand. no more scar.

[motskyroonmatick]

Elevate that burn barrel 6 or 8 inches off the ground with some legs and it should be good to go. Better yet... Weld those legs on to the barrel and make the feet so you can stake down each leg to hold the whole thing to the ground when the wind comes up. That way the load of ash does not get spilled everywhere when it tips over.

[epic_elite]

im with that guy ^^^

[Ugly Dougly]

Put your MOOP somewhere else.

[illy dilly]

I had an idea, that's real simple so I'm sure some one has tried it.
Take a any regular sorta 55 gallon drum, about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way up weld some sort of a grill inside. Then burn on top of the grill, and the ash will fall to the bottom, so it will already be contained for taking home. I don't think you could burn 24/7 like this, not even all night most nights. But for a some burning I think it might work.
Whats everyone's thoughts?

[ygmir]

short answer:
it'd work.

[TomServo]

I had an idea, that's real simple so I'm sure some one has tried it.
Take a any regular sorta 55 gallon drum, about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way up weld some sort of a grill inside. Then burn on top of the grill, and the ash will fall to the bottom, so it will already be contained for taking home. I don't think you could burn 24/7 like this, not even all night most nights. But for a some burning I think it might work.
Whats everyone's thoughts?

I've thought about doing something like that. Since the sides will be cut into whatever pattern I decide on...just dumping won't. Be an option...so I'm gutting a trap door, on the lower side ot the barrel, to clean the ash out.

[theCryptofishist]

how much heat do you need to scar playa?

ive been to beach bon fires and burned what amounted to half trees.

in the morning the sand was pink...

kick brown sand over pink sand. no more scar.

Don't play cute games with the rules. Even if you don't want to go back in '11, even if I don't want to go back in '11, people do. And I think that the permit is up for renegotiation, too. And a burn scar needs a bit more than "sand" kicked over it.

[Ugly Dougly]

The ocean has a way of cleaning beaches to some degree that is not possible in the desert.

[Kinetik V]

Burn barrel / trash incinerator info from the Alaska Division of Wildlife.

http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cf ... cinerators

Here in rural Nebraska we still use burn barrels and I was looking for a way to make one that's a lot less harsh on the environment along with one that cuts down on emissions. The electric burn barrels that the above link lists in their reference section is the way we're going to go. But they cover burn barrel basics which is why I posted the link. They offer some tips that would make an on-playa barrel work a heck of a lot better.

[Sail Man]

I had an idea, that's real simple so I'm sure some one has tried it.
Take a any regular sorta 55 gallon drum, about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way up weld some sort of a grill inside. Then burn on top of the grill, and the ash will fall to the bottom, so it will already be contained for taking home. I don't think you could burn 24/7 like this, not even all night most nights. But for a some burning I think it might work.
Whats everyone's thoughts?

I've thought about doing something like that. Since the sides will be cut into whatever pattern I decide on...just dumping won't. Be an option...so I'm gutting a trap door, on the lower side ot the barrel, to clean the ash out.

Ahh, yes, an Ash Hole

[TomServo]

I had an idea, that's real simple so I'm sure some one has tried it.
Take a any regular sorta 55 gallon drum, about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way up weld some sort of a grill inside. Then burn on top of the grill, and the ash will fall to the bottom, so it will already be contained for taking home. I don't think you could burn 24/7 like this, not even all night most nights. But for a some burning I think it might work.
Whats everyone's thoughts?

I've thought about doing something like that. Since the sides will be cut into whatever pattern I decide on...just dumping won't. Be an option...so I'm gutting a trap door, on the lower side ot the barrel, to clean the ash out.

Ahh, yes, an Ash Hole :lol:

Funny! Ash Hole!

[gyre]

They make paints that will withstand these temperatures.
Most come in liquid only and the best rustoleum requires 450+ to cure.
A really difficult issue is parts that may be hot, but not over 450.
X-60 Primer and 50% HD Aluminum will take 350, but cure at normal temps.
An even better coating may be the header ceramic coatings.

[ygmir]

They make paints that will withstand these temperatures.
Most come in liquid only and the best rustoleum requires 450+ to cure.
A really difficult issue is parts that may be hot, but not over 450.
X-60 Primer and 50% HD Aluminum will take 350, but cure at normal temps.
An even better coating may be the header ceramic coatings.

*scratching head*

is there other than liquid paint?..............

[capjbadger]

They make paints that will withstand these temperatures.
Most come in liquid only and the best rustoleum requires 450+ to cure.
A really difficult issue is parts that may be hot, but not over 450.
X-60 Primer and 50% HD Aluminum will take 350, but cure at normal temps.
An even better coating may be the header ceramic coatings.

*scratching head*

is there other than liquid paint?..............

Powder paint applied by electrostatic charge.

-Badger

[ygmir]

They make paints that will withstand these temperatures.
Most come in liquid only and the best rustoleum requires 450+ to cure.
A really difficult issue is parts that may be hot, but not over 450.
X-60 Primer and 50% HD Aluminum will take 350, but cure at normal temps.
An even better coating may be the header ceramic coatings.

*scratching head*

is there other than liquid paint?..............

Powder paint applied by electrostatic charge.

-Badger

yeah, but, is that "paint"?......or, is it "coating".......
I was more thinking of stuff us laymen use.....

[gyre]

Most people have only seen aerosol high temp paint.
Most aerosol header paint is crap.

[ygmir]

oh, did you mean aerosol vs non aerosol?

I thought you meant liquid vs "not".

Since, aerosol paint is still liquid, just sprayed.


Sorry, I guess I didn't understand.


Who paints burn barrels?.......

[Ugly Dougly]

Let's go shopping!

http://www.rustoleum.com/

HIGH HEAT ULTRA is a superior rust-preventive enamel that provides deep color, rich sheen and the best protection for high heat surfaces. This durable semi-gloss finish gives metal surfaces a premium look along with excellent gloss and color retention after repeated heating. It withstands temperatures of up to 1200 degrees (648C). Ideal for barbeque grills, wood stoves, radiators, firepits, burn barrels, fireplace screens, automotive parts and more.

[Ugly Dougly]

How do you cut up a 55-gal barrel without a welding rig?

[Fire_Moose]

use a can opener.



Do you use chalk to draw out the design?

[motskyroonmatick]

How do you cut up a 55-gal barrel without a welding rig?

Grinder with a cutting wheel on it.
Plasma cutter is best.
Cutting torch works very well and seems to not leave sharp edges.

For all those contemplating burn barrels I suggest getting a food grade barrel with a removable top. That way you are virtually assured the contents residue is not extremely flammable and you can open one end to inspect/preclean the barrel if necessary. The top could also come in handy to make a heat shield to protect the ground or on off playa conditions to protect the contents of a burn barrel from rain.

[ygmir]

How do you cut up a 55-gal barrel without a welding rig?

although, I have a plasma torch, and regular torch, you can use a sawzall or jig saw with metal cutting blades, as well.
I've found barrels chew up cutting wheels......