Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:24 pm

I found 380 ammo online, though the places with the best prices were backordered.
I found boxes of practice ammo at a pawn shop here.
Some gun shops keep some to go with guns they sell.
It's around.
If you want corbon, order direct, not through a dealer.

If you're thinking seriously about a 380, order self defense ammo now.
If you go another way, easy enough to sell.
Same goes for any practice ammo under $40/100.
Maybe at any price these days.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:32 pm

With the half cock system, if you want to carry the gun chambered, it is a good idea to use a holster with a trigger shroud.
There is no issue with carrying it loose, without it being chambered.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:57 pm

gyre said, " The Beretta 32 weighs 14.5 ounces, or about the same as the keltec 9mm. The Beretta 22 and 25 come in at 11.5-11.8 ounces. "

My Beretta Tomcat .32 weighs exactly 1 pound fully loaded with hollow points. It is 11.5 ounces empty. Just weighed it on my ummmmm extremely accurate scale used for,,,, errrrrrr business.

I got all the hollow points the gun shop in Salt Lake had the last time I was there. Can't buy 'em in CA. In fact, they only allow you one box out the door. Balls and FMJ is all you can buy around here.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:58 pm

what about mail order?

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:04 pm

doncha have to go through a dealer to do that? and i know they want a piece of the pie.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:05 pm

Truth be told, I'm not entirely sure my hollow points are even legal in CA.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:11 pm

I thought you could order online.......shipped direct?
maybe something has changed, though.
I used to order several rounds.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:14 pm

I'm pretty sure there is at least around 57 Federal and State regulations against direct shipping of ammo these days. Honestly, I have never looked into it because I had the impression it was not an option.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:16 pm

I'd guess, you could go online, and order ammo.......if it's not ok, they'll say so. The vendors won't ship here if it's not ok.
That might be the quickest route to find out for sure.....
I just ordered and received blank ammo, for a project...........not sure if that counts, though.

Thecatman · Post by **Thecatman** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:20 pm

You do have to go through a dealer to purchse a gun over the internet or mail order. I belive the dealer would known as an FFL dealer.

As far as ammo goes, as long as you're 18+ you should be OK. Most internet ammo sales places have that posted somewhere on their site

If you're in doubt as far as your HPs being legal in the golden state, don't tell anybody
and hope like hell you don't have to use them

I've purchased and used .22 HP magnums in CA but that was 25+ years ago

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:21 pm

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/s ... x?a=408080
in the middle of the page, it says what counties within CA they can't ship to.
so, the other counties should be ok.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:26 pm

Wellll shit wouldn't ya know Ventura County is on that fuckin' list. Wonder if I could get someone in Santa Barbar Co. to take it for me,,,, hmmmmmmm.

But then again, my son in law in Salt Lake can stock up for me 'til next time I'm over that way.

Thanks for the info yg.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:03 am

I carry these.
Legal in california, last I heard.
http://www.dakotaammo.net/Self-Defense-DPX/200/200/dept

Mail order is legal in most of the country.
Receivers or assembled weapons must be shipped to an FFL dealer and picked up there.
You can usually find one that won't gouge you for this.
Prices here range from $25 to $100, $100 meaning they don't want your business.
Check smaller shops and towns.

Some ballistic info
http://www.mouseguns.com/deadmeat.htm

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:19 am

I found numerous accounts of the Ruger LCP failing to handle hollowpoint of any kind.
This may have been fixed in later versions.
Don't know.

The ruger doesn't use the same magazine as the keltec.
This sounds like a magazine/ramp issue.
Magazine quality really matters.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:44 am

Trishntek wrote:gyre said, " The Beretta 32 weighs 14.5 ounces, or about the same as the keltec 9mm. The Beretta 22 and 25 come in at 11.5-11.8 ounces. "

My Beretta Tomcat .32 weighs exactly 1 pound fully loaded with hollow points. It is 11.5 ounces empty. Just weighed it on my ummmmm extremely accurate scale used for,,,, errrrrrr business.

The weight came off a Beretta site, so maybe they were talking about a different model?
Maybe just an error?
http://www.berettausa.com/products/3032 ... ide-slide/

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:20 am

Someone commented that it wasn't worth shooting someone over a tv.
Too bad the thieves don't feel the same way.
The pizza parlor burglary near my house was about stealing a tv.
They shot at the owners and then the police.
There was a massive chase and even my corner here was blocked off by the police most of the night.
This was over a tv that, if you can't buy one for $500 now, you will be able to in five years.
One of the sentences is for 41 years.
For a tv.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... ab-wounds/
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... h-my-wife/
http://www.commercialappeal.com/videos/ ... zza-theif/
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... t-his-man/
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... as-stabbi/
http://m.commercialappeal.com/news/2009 ... zza-stabb/
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/te ... on_the_job

Someone also made a comment about Memphis being a war zone, which is pretty accurate sometimes.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... -war-zone/
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... -war-zone/

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:45 am

yeah, that discussion is interesting:

sure, it's not worth shooting someone over a tv.
Buy, as you say, if the criminal is willing to shoot you to get it, then, do you need to assume that, and, act first?
No, it's not worth dying over, but, if someone is willing to kill you, are you not within reason to act before they get a chance?
Once they pull the gun, and point it at you, it's to late to say "I didn't think they'd do it"........

tough call........

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:53 am

gyre wrote:
Trishntek wrote:gyre said, " The Beretta 32 weighs 14.5 ounces, or about the same as the keltec 9mm. The Beretta 22 and 25 come in at 11.5-11.8 ounces. "

My Beretta Tomcat .32 weighs exactly 1 pound fully loaded with hollow points. It is 11.5 ounces empty. Just weighed it on my ummmmm extremely accurate scale used for,,,, errrrrrr business.
The weight came off a Beretta site, so maybe they were talking about a different model?
Maybe just an error?
http://www.berettausa.com/products/3032 ... ide-slide/

Maybe it was something to do with converting metric to SAE? Hell, maybe I live in a gravitational vortex idunno.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:03 am

It's worth noting that neither of these guys wanted to flee until they were confronted with force.
Thieves assume there will be physical risk- ours.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:06 am

Trishntek wrote: Maybe it was something to do with converting metric to SAE? Hell, maybe I live in a gravitational vortex idunno.

They closed the end of my road over a metric conversion issue, to my annoyance.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:10 am

Corbon ships all products to all locations in california.
Restrictions such as the bay area were repealed or never made it into law.
Many shippers leave it up to customers to know legality or won't ship to the state at all, due to constantly changing rules all over california.
The only state they don't ship to is massachusetts.
A card is required for illinois.

The copper/lead issue is by location and primarily has to do with hunting.
Check the state site for regulations.

380 availability is starting to ease up at corbon.
9mm is still in short supply.
Military demand is part of the problem.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:55 am

Some revolvers
http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G162810
http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G163810
http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G2651129

Lightweights
http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G163808
http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G2850129ULT
http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G2850029ULMG

I wouldn't discount Taurus without making up your own mind.
Some people think they are superior to the competition.

geospyder · Post by **geospyder** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:01 am

Popular round. My mags are loaded with Cor-Bon. .40 cal.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:08 am

not to change the subject.........

I note how many cartridge/caliber choices there are..
rifle and pistol.

and, I also note, every year, "new/improved" ones come out.

other than the novelty of something "new and improved", WTF?

there is some thing that will shoot anything, at any distance, now........

I just get a chuckle, from folks that buy a ".308 magnum (?)" when, a ".300 Win Mag" already exists.

or, a .360 Weatherby, when a .375 H&H is there.......

2" drop difference, at 500 yds, is far less than most peoples ability to shoot, and, the other effects, ie: wind, humidity, temp.......

Thecatman · Post by **Thecatman** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:07 pm

Just to name a few:
.38 super, .38 special, .38 special+P, .357 mag, .357sig, .45LC, .45ACP?
.45GAP, (Glock makes a 45ACP and 45GAP) Are they the same or different.

ygmir wrote:"new/improved"

kinda like cat food

Rabbi Dali Rick · Post by **Rabbi Dali Rick** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:32 pm

the rebbi

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:03 am

The real world, how it works.
A few stories....

You can search by state or whatever.
http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/Default.aspx

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:16 pm

Thecatman wrote:Just to name a few:
.38 super, .38 special, .38 special+P, .357 mag, .357sig, .45LC, .45ACP?
.45GAP, (Glock makes a 45ACP and 45GAP) Are they the same or different.
ygmir wrote:"new/improved"
kinda like cat food

+P is a power rating, not a calibre change.
357mag is a revolver round, 357sig is an automatic round for magazines.

Saami specs tell the story on some of this.
Why are the 45auto and the 7.62x39 low pressure rounds?
Because they are.
There is always a story, but pressure ratings get fixed.
Some rounds are different so they can have different pressure ratings.
Some are extremely specialized and not relevant to most people.

Most snipers still use a 308.
The simultaneous triple shot used with the somali pirates was likely two 308s and possibly something else up to a 50, used to penetrate the plexiglas.

Look at the specs for the 30.06 and the huge number of rounds in that range of power.
Check out rounds in the 2000flbs range.
You have the 30.30 and the 7.62x39 and not that much else, by comparison.

A lot of calibres are just obsolete, too heavy, low power, inefficient, but some people will still use them, even if only in older weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_A ... _Institute

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:15 pm

gyre wrote:
Thecatman wrote:Just to name a few:
.38 super, .38 special, .38 special+P, .357 mag, .357sig, .45LC, .45ACP?
.45GAP, (Glock makes a 45ACP and 45GAP) Are they the same or different.
ygmir wrote:"new/improved"
kinda like cat food
+P is a power rating, not a calibre change.
357mag is a revolver round, 357sig is an automatic round for magazines.

Saami specs tell the story on some of this.
Why are the 45auto and the 7.62x39 low pressure rounds?
Because they are.
There is always a story, but pressure ratings get fixed.
Some rounds are different so they can have different pressure ratings.
Some are extremely specialized and not relevant to most people.

Most snipers still use a 308.
The simultaneous triple shot used with the somali pirates was likely two 308s and possibly something else up to a 50, used to penetrate the plexiglas.

Look at the specs for the 30.06 and the huge number of rounds in that range of power.
Check out rounds in the 2000flbs range.
You have the 30.30 and the 7.62x39 and not that much else, by comparison.

A lot of calibres are just obsolete, too heavy, low power, inefficient, but some people will still use them, even if only in older weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_A ... _Institute

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Thecatman · Post by **Thecatman** » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:25 pm

gyre wrote:+P is a power rating, not a calibre change.

yeah, that I knew,
but did'nt know that about the .357
note to gyre:
Last Tuesday when I was off I went to the gun store as I said I would and loked at a used KelTec P3AT, fit my hand good, really lite like you said.
When I get payed on Friday I'm gonna put a deposit down for a new one.
The employee said they "uaually" have .380 ammo available.

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