Mister Jellyfish Mister wrote:Thank you, Kvon. Like Jafe, I am also very curious about your new power technology. Once again, I understand the need for secrecy in this crucial time in which your organization is seeking patents. Your idea of installing the sub-surface equipment over a brief period of a couple days is a sound one, but if you have a German equivalent of "Murphy's Law" in which anything that can go wrong will go wrong, multiply that by a factor of five when you arrive on the playa. You see, there are no hardware stores or equipment facilities for at least a two hour drive, and the access to heavy equipment through Burning Man's Department of Public Works has limited access and an unpredictable time table.
Does your sub-surface boring equipment allow for tunnels of small diameters to run power cables? I imagine little robots dragging a run of Romex cable underground. Anything larger might be an issue for the "Leave No Trace" ethos as they collapse and leave subsequent creases in the playa surface.
Good luck with the security issues. If it's any help, I had a U.S. Government confidential clearance from when I worked at Hughes Aircraft some years ago though I have since been debriefed.
dewnorth wrote:Could Kvon's project be covered in some way to keep out onlookers and keep it's contents secret?
If the covering was designed to look like it was part of the Ein Hammer installation, it could blend in beautifully, while being protected from spying eyes.
What I suggest might not be possible because of the size of your project. Or there might be other reasons why a cover might not work. There are large domes, tents and other structures in Black Rock City. But I do not know details retarding structure sizes used.
A covering could also increase the complexity of the project.
Please disregard if this idea is "all wet" (a bad idea).
have convinced them I have divulged nothing of import related to proprietary information, and, none of the information I've shared, could, endanger their patent applications.
theCryptofishist wrote:All the boring companies I"ve worked for have been aboveground.
ygmir wrote:...and, isn't all trussed up, being flogged and brutalized............his "mentor" sounds delicious...........
ygmir wrote:a light in the middle of nowhere would be very cool indeed.
I'm hoping Kvon has gotten himself out of the hot water he said he was in.
and, isn't all trussed up, being flogged and brutalized............his "mentor" sounds delicious...........
your thoughts and ideas regarding power stations and, public displays of generation and synchronization, have been proposed to the "site committee" for their perusal. They have preliminarily accepted your proposals, in theory, and, owing to what seems your high standing among the hierarchy of the event, feel they will prefer to deal with you exclusively regarding this. If, you can not participate, they will consider anyone you may appoint, in your stead.
illy dilly wrote:I don't want to be a party pooper, but I feel that we should discuss possible safety hazards with testing an alternative power source running the entire out side of the city.
In my industry we only use looped power sources for a few minimal things, but also have to be very careful of the possible dangers that can come from looped power, and risks of looping continuous conductive material. I honestly don't know a ton about this stuff, just what we have to worry about at work, so if someone could explain to me how its totally safe I'd appreciate it. I hate to say it, but with out knowing anything about what he's doing, I'm not sure we should all just jump on board.
Creating a ring of conductive materials makes an antenna. It is by far one of the most useful and simple electric phenomenon. If an antenna isn't controlled it can start to conduct, mostly not hazardous but to electronics and radio waves, but in the wrong circumstance (high electrostatic that is often present in dry climate, and during lighting storms) it can be deadly. Even if the antenna is grounded at each end, it can still carry voltage along its path to the ground, if anything connects with the antenna along that path it can get fried. If not lethal it may just cause that uncomfortable, hair standing up, feeling.
Also, creating a continuous horizontal ring, Omnidirectional Antenna, can really mess up electronics and radio waves that pass by it, if the antenna isn't tuned properly. I'm a little worried that while all the emergency personnel sit inside this huge antenna it ends up jamming their radios and communication is lost. I also don't know how one would tune a possible antenna that's never been built before and that may not be constant considering its a test of a new energy (I'm sure their are people that do know how).
My last concern is with magnetic fields. We install looped wires, run very low levels of power through them and create magnetic fields that are sensitive to metals a meter away. The rings cut into roads at stop lights, electric gates, and even on the high way are pretty basic magnets used as metal detectors but aren't strong enough to present a noticeable force. I know that when a metal object drives over one of these rings, it changes the magnetic fields with in the wring, tripping a sensor at the control box. We've never installed one, but there are systems that are so touchy that even a human bodies nervous system trips the sensor. I'm concerned what will happen to all the metal on the playa if we create a huge magnetic ring?
I'd love to have power on the playa. I'd love for Burning Man to be a place were a new alternate power source is further developed. I just think there are some possible problems.
Plus they're German, for all we know their trying to invade! (just kidding)
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