Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

[gyre]

Congratulations, Catman.
I hope you like it.

Remember that they recommend 200 rounds for break-in, so try to get some practice ammo as soon as you can.
You need experience with it anyway.

I suggest Powerball or DPX, and ordering as soon as you can, but there are a lot of good choices out there.

I carried my 380 today in pants that don't lend themselves to carry and the 380 only fits in a surface cargo pocket, yet it totally disappears carried that way.

I hope you get a good deal.

There is a knockoff of the keltec finger extension.
Copes used to have it.
I need some myself.
I can't remember the brand offhand.
Some good tweaks on here sometimes.
http://www.ktog.org/
RRarms has spare mags at a fair price now.

[gyre]

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Too cryptic for me there, Ygmir.

I know I only touched on a few random things.
The ballistics get so involved that they often have whole articles just on the history of a caliber.
The Rifleman is good for that sort of thing.

I did find the 300 Mag and it had about 550 more foot pounds.
Looks like a specialized match type round.
Some of these would be crazy, but if you're doing a custom rifle to begin with, exotic calibre is no issue, and neither is a rare round.

Those double rifles are interesting.
Better balance with no receiver.
Serious power with sizes like the Nitro Express too.
But those things start at $10,000, so I'm guessing ammo availability isn't really an issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.700_Nitro_Express

A related revolver- not low power.
http://www.pfeifer-waffen.at/cms/html/index.php
http://www.vincelewis.net/60magnum.html

[gyre]

Light 380s

Keltec P3AT
8.3 ounces
5.2" L 3.5" H .77" W
2.75" barrel

Ruger LCP (licensed copy or clone?)
9.4 ounces
5.16" L 3.6" H .82" W
2.75" barrel

Kahr P380 $758
9.97 ounces
4.9" L 3.9" H .75" W
2.5" barrel

Taurus TCP $336
10.2 ounces
5.2" L 3.47" H .88" W
3.3" barrel ?


Heavy 380s

Rohrbaugh R380 $1150
12.8 ounces
5.2" L 3.7" H .95" W
2.9" barrel
Looks like a superb gun.
The 9mm version of this gun is highly recommended and the only one close to the Keltec in weight, though it specifies no +P.

Magnum Research Micro Desert Eagle $535
14 ounces
4.52" L 3.71" H .90" W
2.22" barrel
Identical to the Czech Kevin
http://www.zvi.cz/en/products/9-mm-pistol-kevin.html
http://www.gunsandgames.com/html/test49.htm

Sig Sauer P238 $543
15.8 ounces
5.5" L 3.9" H 1.11" W
2.7" barrel, single action
A tiny 1911

Walther PK380 $425
19.4 ounces
6.5" L 5.2" H 1.2" W
3.66" barrel, DA, SA

NAA Guardian $449
19.72 ounces
4.75" L 3.53" H .93" W
2.49" barrel

[Thecatman]

Thank you gyre!
I'm gonna put $50 down tomorow (Saturday) and pay it off by mid May

[gyre]

Great!

I hope you don't get backordered.

If you want chrome, I have a contact with a shop.

[gyre]

Popular round. My mags are loaded with Cor-Bon. .40 cal.

Are you using the DPX, or something else?

[gyre]

On the variety of calibres, something often mentioned is that by shortening a round, you can use it in many shorter type actions without a redesign.
A new round might have higher pressure than an older one, and be shorter.
I think that was the rationale for the 308.

[gyre]

The Ruger LCP recall

http://www.ruger.com/LCPRecall/index.html


From the Ruger manual-

DO NOT USE +P AMMUNITION.

I don't know if they are being overly cautious or if it is a weaker gun.
Without +P, the choice of self defense ammunition is severely limited.
I would say it is equivalent to being a step down in calibre.

I found one reference to a Ruger shattering a barrel with +P ammo.
Not a desirable event.

The Keltec allows +P for limited use.
I think the only reason it won't handle sustained +P fire is slide wear.
It is very important to keep any aluminum slides well lubricated.
The difference in action is immediately apparent too.

I forget how many thousands of rounds the slide is supposed to last.
I think 10,000.
They are handling the eventual wear by replacing the parts, when it occurs.

[Thecatman]

Put $50 down this afternoon, and hope to have it payed by May,
kinda like a layaway plan.
The shop recieved a new one Thursday. They're gonna order another one
and hold it for me.

$279 plus taxes, plus $25 "background check" so roughly $325

[gyre]

They're charging you for the background check?
That doesn't seem right.
I've never paid for that, though it has cost me a lot in time and paperwork to resolve the errors that always crop up on the state's part.
Those "instant" background checks can take a year.

I'm sorry you couldn't get one from rrarms.
They got them in at my request, but not in time for me.
Still, not a bad price these days, if they hold one for you or have one in time.
Seems like they should be holding the one they have now for you.
I don't want to see you back ordered.

http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=GP3AT

[Thecatman]

yeah, $25 for a background .
Paid it when I got the Ruger late last year.
We went to the fall gun show last year at the Reno-Sparks convention center
and was told by a dealerits $25, so I'm guessing thats the norm.
I won't have to pay until I pay it off and take posession of it

[gyre]

A friend of mine found out that not only do they have his records confused with someone else with a similar name, but they have his fingerprints on the other guy's records.
He should have sued when they arrested him for the other person's warrant once.
Nothing is less reliable than state records.
The physical descriptions couldn't be more different.

[Thecatman]

I checked that rram site and they're about $40 cheaper. If a firearm is purchased over the internet for mail order for pick-up at a dealer, won't the dealer charge a fee?
A year for an instant check does'nt sound to instant. When I picked up my Ruger the employee, the owners wife, picked up the telephone, made a call to somebody somewhere and the gun was mine.
Three minutes top
At the gun shows I've heard it can take up to two hours

[gyre]

Yes, they always charge something.

[gyre]

The knockoff finger extensions are made by Scherer.
I found one made by Pearce, which may be factory.

[Thecatman]

The first accesory I plan on is an Armalaser.

I'm getting kind of hyped up on getting it.
This past week in Sparks some ahole broke into a house, beat and
raped the woman at home, then made off the usual, money and jewelry.
He put it in a pillow case he took of the bed. She was able to give the police a detail description

[cowboyangel]

At least with a laser if you run out of ammo, you can blind the guy.

[gyre]

There's a very clever green laser out, that's actually a red laser with a frequency doubler.
Very cheap, but I don't know if it's suitable for a weapon.
It is larger.
Very powerful though.

[cowboyangel]

I've got a powerful green laser. FAA says do not point that at aircraft. What about UFO's? What about at Badger in a UFO?

[ygmir]

I bought a 20 mw green laser, cheap, and, it works pretty darn good. I'm fairly sure it wouldn't measure a full 20mw, but, it's much brighter than a 5 mw.

[gyre]

Maybe it's one of those with the doubler?

[ygmir]

nope, straight up.....single lens.
it even warped a black plastic garbage bag..........not sure if it would have melted a hole or not.........but, the material did move.

pen size, very compact.

[ygmir]

[gyre]

I don't know how you tell without taking them apart.
I only know about it because an importer showed the trick to a friend of mine.

The base laser is infra-red, converted to green.
Fairly clever.

[gyre]

45 GAP (Glock auto pistol)

A 45 cartridge shortened to run in a 9mm length action.

In the case of the Corbon JHP, the weight is 200 grains.
950 fps and 401 flbs.
So the power of a 9mm in theory, but almost with the weight of a 45 auto round.
The 200 grain JHP in 45 acp is 490 flbs, tested in a longer barrel than the GAP though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_GAP
http://home.comcast.net/~petej/main.poi ... 45gap.html
http://home.comcast.net/~petej/45gap.defend.htm

[can't sit still]

pretty cool;

[cowboyangel]

Were these mailboxes some kind of warning to postal workers?

[can't sit still]

Dunno. You DO know what kind of grips it has??????????????














Pachyderm

[cowboyangel]

Hey Gang, let's go to Arizona!

PHOENIX – The Arizona House voted Thursday to make the state the third in the nation to allow people to carry concealed weapons without a permit, sending the governor a bill that would allow Arizonans to forego background checks and classes that are now required.

The legislation, approved by the House 36-19 without discussion, would make it legal for most U.S. citizens 21 or older to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona without the permit now required. Currently, carrying a hidden firearm without a permit is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.

Sen. Russell Pearce, a Mesa Republican who sponsored the measure, said last week that he added changes requested by Gov. Jan Brewer's office, an indication that she is likely to sign it. The governor can sign or veto the measure, or allow it to become law without action.

If the legislation is enacted, Arizona would join Alaska and Vermont in not requiring permits to carry concealed weapons. Forty-five other states require permits for hidden guns, and two states — Illinois and Wisconsin — prohibit them altogether.

Supporters say gun restrictions only affect people who want to follow the rules because criminals will carry hidden guns regardless of the law. Nearly all adults can carry a weapon openly in Arizona, and they shouldn't face additional restrictions when they want to hide the weapon, supporters argue.

"What's dangerous is when they're in criminals' hands, not citizens' hands," said Rep. David Gowan, R-Sierra Vista, a bill sponsor.

Opponents argue legalizing concealed weapons will make it easier for criminals to carry them, endangering police. They also worry the bill would lead to more accidental gun discharges by people not adequately trained in firearm safety.

"We wouldn't give people driver's licenses without requiring training or testing. Why would we give people the ability to carry a concealed weapon anywhere?" said Rep. Steve Farley, D-Tucson.

There are more than 154,000 active concealed weapon permits in Arizona.

Under the measure, Arizonans would still be subject to the background checks federal law requires when buying firearms from a store. People carrying a concealed weapon would be required to tell a police officer if asked, and the officer could temporarily take the weapon while communicating with the gun carrier.

Under the legislation, permits still could be obtained on an optional basis so Arizonans could carry concealed weapons in states with reciprocity agreements. Permits also would be required to carry weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.

With the elevation of Brewer to the governor's office, Arizona gun-rights advocates have had a wave of success over the past two years.

The state in 2009 loosened its gun laws to lift a ban on guns in establishments that serve alcohol, although gun-bearers still cannot drink alcohol and establishments can ban firearms.

Brewer, a Republican who took office in January 2009, signed that measure into law. Her predecessor, Democrat Janet Napolitano, vetoed several measures pushed by gun-rights supporters before resigning to run the U.S. Homeland Security Department.

On Monday, Brewer signed two bills loosening gun restrictions. One bill broadened the state's current restrictions on local governments' ability to regulate or tax guns and ammunition.

The other bill declares that guns manufactured entirely in Arizona are exempt from federal oversight and are not subject to federal laws restricting the sale of firearms or requiring them to be registered.

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Associated Press writer Paul Davenport contributed to this report.

[Thecatman]

Now maybe the good people of Arizona can legally shoot illegals as they cross the border illegally
Give the minutemen some support