WAR! What is it good for?

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:50 pm

Joel, and others I suppose, I would like you to take this test...

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

i found it kinda fun and fascinating. I would be interested in your results.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:28 pm

stuart wrote:Joel, and others I suppose, I would like you to take this test...

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

i found it kinda fun and fascinating. I would be interested in your results.

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26

Well shit. Time to go out and get some fucking tofu, I suppose.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:34 pm

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77

ask and ye shall receive...

please note, i did not agree with the all or nothing requirement of this survey... some of the wording disagrees with me

go figure.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:37 pm

[quote Joel]So, whoever or whatever your position, make up your own mind, that is our right, yet respect my position because that is your responsibility... and leave me the f*ck alone if you please.[/quote]

Jeesh touchy guy! This is a public forum for the exchange of ideas, and you seem to be upset because someone ( with a lengthy list of activist credentials I might add) has challenged just some of your assertions...lighten up Joel

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:52 pm

thanks for the survey Stuart. I'm in great company with the Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela econ -7.38 soc -7.79

I am so fuckin proud to be so fuckin left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:23 pm

yeah, I am not a big fan of surveys that force a discreet answer to a question that requires nuance, but hey, whaddayagonnado?

Did anyone check out the plotting of Presidential candidates? Interesting that they put Kerry dead center.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:43 pm

Poor little Bushie. It seems that ashcroft is trying to protect him that he had forehand knowledge about the torturing practises.

should we impeach him before the international court gets him or after?

A II Z

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:05 am

stuart wrote:yeah, I am not a big fan of surveys that force a discreet answer to a question that requires nuance, but hey, whaddayagonnado?

Did anyone check out the plotting of Presidential candidates? Interesting that they put Kerry dead center.

fence sitting?

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:52 am

So Stuart, what were your results?

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:35 am

Dali and Gandi can't hold a candle next to me!

-7.62-6.21

I guess i'm just a social-political-economic slut

A II Z

PS= But I do think the questions were simplistic, though every poll is.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:44 am

"If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations."

A pretty big "if" from my perspective, and...

Are the interests of humanity and trans-national corporations mutually exclusive as the question infers?

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:46 am

"I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."

Yet, what if you didn't... and you were forced to leave?

It hasn't happened to many U.S.A citizens, but where would you go, if you were asked to leave?

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:49 am

"No one chooses their country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it."

So, this means I can't be proud of our successes, maybe even one's I participated in?

The choices were: agree, stongly agree, disagree, strongly disagree.

"Our race has many superior qualities, compared to other races."

Define superior... in what context?

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:20 pm

I took the test a few weeks ago, I scored in the lower left, big surprise. I think I was more lefty than gandhi. I attribute this to the fact that,as an individual and not the leader of millions of people I can afford to be less pragrmatic.

Joel:

"Our race has many superior qualities, compared to other races"

this is a 'white people are better than black people' type of question. Do we not all strongly disagree?

"I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."

Yet, what if you didn't... and you were forced to leave?

It hasn't happened to many U.S.A citizens, but where would you go, if you were asked to leave?

Vancouver or Aukland

"If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations."

A pretty big "if" from my perspective, and...

Are the interests of humanity and trans-national corporations mutually exclusive as the question infers?

i don't find it to be that big of an if. The WTO is already eroding the sovereignty of nations. As far as corps vs peeps, I think in our current legal context, it's very clear that big corps don't have our interests near and dear to their hearts. Certainly the history of the past few years underscores this. Does this mean they have to be mutually exclusive? No. The question is simply asking you for your priorities, economic growth/profit or people?

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:01 pm

for more on the semantics, reasoning behind, new light shed on the topic of polls see Paul H. Ray PH.D's book "The Cultural Creatives" good food for burners, because we "are" cultural creative burners.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:20 pm

stuart wrote:The question is simply asking you for your priorities, economic growth/profit or people?

I don't believe any of the questions were "simply asking for your priorities."

I believe, as with most surveys, the questions are designed to elicit the responses the surveryor wants, not what the surveyee thinks...

of course, in my humble opinion.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:28 pm

I took the test, but the little stick turned blue...

What does that mean?

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:08 pm

In a rare moment of harmony I could actually agree with Joel on this

I believe, as with most surveys, the questions are designed to elicit the responses the surveryor wants, not what the surveyee thinks...

I got called the other day by a pollster asking weighted questions against Palestine re: Israeli settler rights etc......I argued with the guy about the wording of the questions to no effect, yes, polls can be skewered to receive expected answers, that being said...on Stuart's poll, I think the wording afforded both Lefties and Righties all the catch word stuff they need to set off synapse burns in the brain to satisfy both parties...again.....check out George Lakoff http://www.brightpathvideo.com at my site or ask me nicely and I'll send you a mp3 or cd of one of his recent talks about the language of politics, to delve into the causes, underlying assumptions and effects of language in this discourse..

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:10 am

"The Middle Eastern states aren't nations; they're quarrels with borders."
-- P. J. O'Rourke

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:22 am

interestin.......

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:49 am

War is a great asshole magnet.
O'Rourke, P.J.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:17 pm

you're on a roll Joel
just what happens when you run out of
O'Rourke?

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:56 pm

"We make war that we may live in peace." Aristotle

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:38 pm

"If there is a World War Three, the one following it will be fought with sticks and stones" - Einstein

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:32 pm

Extremists Using Web to Spread Terror

Sun Jun 13, 1:35 PM ET

SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press Writer

MANAMA, Bahrain - Web sites featuring videos of the beheading of Americans or captives pleading for their lives have become part of an electronic war of incitement, humiliation and terrorist outreach, experts say, providing a window into the minds of militant Muslims who hate the West.

The latest dramatic Web posting came Saturday, a short video that showed no faces but included a voice yelling in English: "No, no, please!"

wow and I thought this was about http://www.foxnews.com ?#*!?

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:34 pm

"We make war that we may live in peace." Aristotle

Aristotle thought the earth was the center of the universe too

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:34 am

cowboyangel wrote:
"We make war that we may live in peace." Aristotle
Aristotle thought the earth was the center of the universe too

in a manner of speaking, it is...

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:21 am

tell that to the Klingons ole Joel ole boy!

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:15 am

cowboyangel wrote:tell that to the Klingons ole Joel ole boy!

fictional characters?

tell it to fictional characters?

sheesh

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:28 am

BM is proof enough for me that there is life on other planets

the house of deceitful cards keeps crumbling...when will it get to the top?

By JILL LAWLESS, Associated Press Writer

LONDON - The American general who was in charge of Iraq (news - web sites)'s Abu Ghraib prison claimed she was being made a scapegoat for the abuse of detainees, and said her successor once told her that prisoners should be treated "like dogs." A spokesman for Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, accused of making the "like dogs" remark, categorically denied the charge.

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Slideshow: Iraq Prisoner Abuse Investigation

In an interview with British Broadcasting Corp. radio broadcast Tuesday, Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski said Miller told her last autumn that prisoners "are like dogs, and if you allow them to believe at any point that they are more than a dog then you've lost control of them."

Miller was in charge of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp and now oversees U.S. prisons in Iraq.

Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, a spokesman for detention operations in Iraq, said Karpinski's allegations were "categorically false."

WAR! What is it good for?

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Question 3 and 4

We'll try a little Aristotle

Extremists Using Web to Spread Terror