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thanks Zeus...you know Roosevelt of course was totally gung ho for war, Phillipines, and WWI until......his son was killed in it. Roosevelt stopped giving pro-war speeches and went into a deep funk from which he never really emerged.
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Soon the same will happen to Ashcroft.cowboyangel wrote:thanks Zeus...you know Roosevelt of course was totally gung ho for war, Phillipines, and WWI until......his son was killed in it. Roosevelt stopped giving pro-war speeches and went into a deep funk from which he never really emerged.
Grand Whopping Bastard.
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I nearly forgot myself today.
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June 10, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
D-Day in Iraq
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
There's been some good political news out of Iraq in recent days. The newly installed — and now U.N.-blessed — Iraqi government is made up of some really decent people. There is hope. But it will not be realized if the sort of incident that happened last weekend keeps being repeated. Two American and two Polish employees of Blackwater USA, a security contractor, were killed in an ambush on the main road from Baghdad airport to downtown Baghdad. Remember a year ago when Saddam's spokesman, the wacky "Baghdad Bob," claimed that U.S. forces didn't control the airport? We shouldn't have laughed. A year later, we still do not fully control the main road from Baghdad airport to Baghdad. You can't build anything under those conditions.
It is hard to know whether to laugh or cry when you hear President Bush comparing D-Day to the U.S. invasion of Iraq and the war on terrorism. If President Franklin Roosevelt had thrown the meager manpower resources into D-Day that George Bush threw into Iraq a year ago, France would be a German-speaking country today.
Alas, it is too late now to send a lot more U.S. troops, if we had them. Now that the interim Iraqi government is assuming sovereignty, it will be increasingly important for U.S. forces to assume a lower profile, to get out of the faces of Iraqis at checkpoints and eliminate any impression that Iraq is still under U.S. occupation or that the new Iraqi government is our puppet. The whole strategy of the bad guys in Iraq now is to wreak havoc and try to provoke a U.S. military reaction that might accidentally kill a lot of Iraqis — in the hope that this will embarrass and delegitimize the new Iraqi officials as ineffective U.S. flunkies.
We are up against some really evil, cynical forces: die-hard Baathists, Qaeda-inspired Islamists and criminals. They continue to kill large numbers of innocent Iraqis without ever spelling out a political demand. That's because their only interest is that America fail. They have no coherent vision for Iraq. Their only vision is that America must fail. Because if the U.S. succeeds in tilting Iraq onto a more progressive track, Baathism and Islamism will be diminished everywhere.
There is nothing more difficult to fight than an enemy whose only interest is that you fail and who has no interest in building a positive alternative. That kind of enemy can only be overwhelmed and crushed. But the D-Day solution for Iraq is not for America to throw all its troops into Iraq. As I said, it's too late for that. It is for America to throw all its resources into getting Iraqi soldiers trained and able to take on their own opposition. Only Iraqis will find out who their bad guys are and have the legitimacy to defeat them. As the Stanford University democracy specialist Larry Diamond, a former U.S. adviser in Baghdad, put it: "If you don't have security in Iraq, you don't have anything. We have to throw everything we have — everything — into getting the new Iraqi forces operating effectively."
How close are we to that? I called Lt. Gen. David Petraeus in Baghdad, the widely respected U.S. commander for rebuilding the Iraqi Army. He told me that contracts for more than $3 billion worth of equipment, uniforms, training facilities, weaponry, bases and communications gear for the new Iraqi Army are finally being signed and executed — so by the end of the summer, a lot of it should be getting to units. Moreover, he said, the first battalion of Iraqi internal security forces, trained for urban warfare, will be deployed in Baghdad. If the training stays on schedule, says General Petraeus, a critical mass of trained Iraqi Army, civil defense and police forces should be up and running by January, in time for elections.
"Early on, just after we got here, we talked a lot about how to win Iraqi hearts and minds, and get them to like us," General Petraeus said. "But we understand now that what we really need is for them to love the new Iraq. That is what needs to happen. . . . Bombs are going to go off every day, but what we need to do is somehow keep looking to the longer term and focus on building the new Iraq. . . . We just need to keep our heads down, be patient and keep driving on. This is really, really hard work."
That's what this D-Day looks like. It is not a single charge up a Normandy beach, but a long, hard slog to train an Iraqi Army to finish the war that we started. This is the Iraqis' real war of independence. If they beat back the bad guys and hold elections, they'll be free of us and the worst of their past. If they don't or can't, this will be our Waterloo, and theirs.
Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
June 10, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
D-Day in Iraq
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
There's been some good political news out of Iraq in recent days. The newly installed — and now U.N.-blessed — Iraqi government is made up of some really decent people. There is hope. But it will not be realized if the sort of incident that happened last weekend keeps being repeated. Two American and two Polish employees of Blackwater USA, a security contractor, were killed in an ambush on the main road from Baghdad airport to downtown Baghdad. Remember a year ago when Saddam's spokesman, the wacky "Baghdad Bob," claimed that U.S. forces didn't control the airport? We shouldn't have laughed. A year later, we still do not fully control the main road from Baghdad airport to Baghdad. You can't build anything under those conditions.
It is hard to know whether to laugh or cry when you hear President Bush comparing D-Day to the U.S. invasion of Iraq and the war on terrorism. If President Franklin Roosevelt had thrown the meager manpower resources into D-Day that George Bush threw into Iraq a year ago, France would be a German-speaking country today.
Alas, it is too late now to send a lot more U.S. troops, if we had them. Now that the interim Iraqi government is assuming sovereignty, it will be increasingly important for U.S. forces to assume a lower profile, to get out of the faces of Iraqis at checkpoints and eliminate any impression that Iraq is still under U.S. occupation or that the new Iraqi government is our puppet. The whole strategy of the bad guys in Iraq now is to wreak havoc and try to provoke a U.S. military reaction that might accidentally kill a lot of Iraqis — in the hope that this will embarrass and delegitimize the new Iraqi officials as ineffective U.S. flunkies.
We are up against some really evil, cynical forces: die-hard Baathists, Qaeda-inspired Islamists and criminals. They continue to kill large numbers of innocent Iraqis without ever spelling out a political demand. That's because their only interest is that America fail. They have no coherent vision for Iraq. Their only vision is that America must fail. Because if the U.S. succeeds in tilting Iraq onto a more progressive track, Baathism and Islamism will be diminished everywhere.
There is nothing more difficult to fight than an enemy whose only interest is that you fail and who has no interest in building a positive alternative. That kind of enemy can only be overwhelmed and crushed. But the D-Day solution for Iraq is not for America to throw all its troops into Iraq. As I said, it's too late for that. It is for America to throw all its resources into getting Iraqi soldiers trained and able to take on their own opposition. Only Iraqis will find out who their bad guys are and have the legitimacy to defeat them. As the Stanford University democracy specialist Larry Diamond, a former U.S. adviser in Baghdad, put it: "If you don't have security in Iraq, you don't have anything. We have to throw everything we have — everything — into getting the new Iraqi forces operating effectively."
How close are we to that? I called Lt. Gen. David Petraeus in Baghdad, the widely respected U.S. commander for rebuilding the Iraqi Army. He told me that contracts for more than $3 billion worth of equipment, uniforms, training facilities, weaponry, bases and communications gear for the new Iraqi Army are finally being signed and executed — so by the end of the summer, a lot of it should be getting to units. Moreover, he said, the first battalion of Iraqi internal security forces, trained for urban warfare, will be deployed in Baghdad. If the training stays on schedule, says General Petraeus, a critical mass of trained Iraqi Army, civil defense and police forces should be up and running by January, in time for elections.
"Early on, just after we got here, we talked a lot about how to win Iraqi hearts and minds, and get them to like us," General Petraeus said. "But we understand now that what we really need is for them to love the new Iraq. That is what needs to happen. . . . Bombs are going to go off every day, but what we need to do is somehow keep looking to the longer term and focus on building the new Iraq. . . . We just need to keep our heads down, be patient and keep driving on. This is really, really hard work."
That's what this D-Day looks like. It is not a single charge up a Normandy beach, but a long, hard slog to train an Iraqi Army to finish the war that we started. This is the Iraqis' real war of independence. If they beat back the bad guys and hold elections, they'll be free of us and the worst of their past. If they don't or can't, this will be our Waterloo, and theirs.
Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
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That's what this D-Day looks like. It is not a single charge up a Normandy beach, but a long, hard slog to train an Iraqi Army to finish the war that we started. This is the Iraqis' real war of independence. If they beat back the bad guys and hold elections, they'll be free of us and the worst of their past. If they don't or can't, this will be our Waterloo, and theirs.
would have been nice if the CIA hadn't set Saddam up in the first place or old dead Ronnie sending hime guns, and germs and Rumsfeld and stuff...
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I look at the person and the times they lived in.
Roosevelt was a bigoted, self stylized monarch, self righteous bull headed person. But then most of the leaders of that era was and he was the best of them all because of the progressive policies. He went to war because we had an the spanish empire right at our doors, an out of control monopolies sucking up independant businesses and buying up all the land. Politcal parties were much the same- we all heard of Tammany Hall in NY.
The Governments plan to divide up land in the homestead act was ending up in the railroad, mining and timber industry hands. He may have been the last great white hunter to shoot the last bison in N Dakota.
He changed how government did bidness and enacted most of the governmental changes that are still part of our daily government and lives.
He was a great man and would have understood the dynamics of the middle east more then any president of today. He would not have gone to war.
As far as the Friedman article, I don't agree with him on many of his topics. I think his view is one sided, caloused and blind sided. Some of those men in the new government are the same liars that got us into this war. It's a puppet middle eastern "Date Republic"- little play on Banana Republic, hehehe.
The Iraqis know that they have to play the US game and once we are out. These so called government men are going to throw the dice. Another civil war will break out. The Kurds are ready to succeed. Next it will be Shiits (that's mispelled but funny) Sunni's will control their territory and they still have the best trained forces in the area to do so.
I don't want to sound pestimistic but I have studied this area long before most of the envoys became involved.
Personally Bush fuck up a vital resource oil. We won't see a drop of it flowing for years and today or was it yesterday the major pipeline was bombed and oil futures are going even higher.
I want to Bush and his cronies in jail very soon even if its another country and I feel its going to happen right after he loses the election.
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Roosevelt was a bigoted, self stylized monarch, self righteous bull headed person. But then most of the leaders of that era was and he was the best of them all because of the progressive policies. He went to war because we had an the spanish empire right at our doors, an out of control monopolies sucking up independant businesses and buying up all the land. Politcal parties were much the same- we all heard of Tammany Hall in NY.
The Governments plan to divide up land in the homestead act was ending up in the railroad, mining and timber industry hands. He may have been the last great white hunter to shoot the last bison in N Dakota.
He changed how government did bidness and enacted most of the governmental changes that are still part of our daily government and lives.
He was a great man and would have understood the dynamics of the middle east more then any president of today. He would not have gone to war.
As far as the Friedman article, I don't agree with him on many of his topics. I think his view is one sided, caloused and blind sided. Some of those men in the new government are the same liars that got us into this war. It's a puppet middle eastern "Date Republic"- little play on Banana Republic, hehehe.
The Iraqis know that they have to play the US game and once we are out. These so called government men are going to throw the dice. Another civil war will break out. The Kurds are ready to succeed. Next it will be Shiits (that's mispelled but funny) Sunni's will control their territory and they still have the best trained forces in the area to do so.
I don't want to sound pestimistic but I have studied this area long before most of the envoys became involved.
Personally Bush fuck up a vital resource oil. We won't see a drop of it flowing for years and today or was it yesterday the major pipeline was bombed and oil futures are going even higher.
I want to Bush and his cronies in jail very soon even if its another country and I feel its going to happen right after he loses the election.
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If that had happened 50% of all Americans will fail based on IQ tests.Simply Joel wrote:Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power. -- P. J. O'Rourke
On Reagan;
Was Reagan rhetoric: "Government is not the answer, Government is the problem" give fodder to the anti-govenment groups, i.e. the Montana Freeman, the Oklahoma Bombers, Waco and other anti-gov militia groups even perhaps incidents such as columbine. They all seem to have formed during the Reagan era with exception to the columbine and school killings, but seem to be an extention of defying authoritative institutionalized entities.
On Chaney;
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/busines ... n-SEC.html
Looks like another I'm going back into my cave and out of public accessibility until the election are over- if he can!
If Bush wins and its a long shot, I'll be singing O'Cananda for sure!
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Please Give Me A Break From This Endless Reagan Shit
"If ever we have known a child of light, it was Ronald Reagan," Danforth said.
child of light??????pleeeeese give me a fuckin break...............
well I guess satan would refer to his children as "Kids O' light"
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all right all right I know this is the wrong thread but to the woman who complained about there being too many people at BRC....I say let it grow, let it expand, let it fill the earth, let it be everywhere, let it visit nations, let it rule the planet, forever and ever A-fuckin-men!
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SIMPLY MEGAFONE MAN!!!
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I exist to blather other people's ideas and be an unpaid ad
You stupid lefties.
When will you put down your bongs and realize the right is right about everything?
That's why they're called the right, duuuh!
When will you put down your bongs and realize the right is right about everything?
That's why they're called the right, duuuh!
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Megaphone...you're in the wrong universe.....go to http://www.foxnews.com
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Just in case you haven't tuned in for the next installment of "Repubican Survivor!"
http://www.dtriptv.com/Watch.aspx
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http://www.dtriptv.com/Watch.aspx
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Why is this a surprise to any of you?DVD Burner wrote:Shadow Government
By the way... this shadow government has existed on paper for a very long time through both democratic and republican leadership/presidencies.
In my humble world, it is commonly referred to as... Plan B.
and as 1SG Winterbauer said.... "Always have a Plan B."
Democrats... snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, daily!
slap my salmon, baby
slap my salmon, baby
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SIMPLY MEGAFONE MAN!!! wrote:Ok, please tell me I wasn't the only one upon reading the words "Trojan Horse" to immediately think that the obvious BM accessory would be the penismobile.
Dictus!
C.O.G.
is well explained in "Against All Enemies" by Richard Clark!
But our government is still too centralized.
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Plan 9
Bella Lugosi......Plan9 From Outerspace
now I'm on this Jimi Hendriks kick..........
http://www.anitasplace.com/music/p_haze.midIn my humble world, it is commonly referred to as... Plan B.
now I'm on this Jimi Hendriks kick..........
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Old news
Monday, 13 May, 2002 Reuters © MMIII BBC News
Afghanistan hopes to strike a deal later this month to build a $2bn pipeline through the country to take gas from energy-rich Turkmenistan to Pakistan and India.
Afghan interim ruler Hamid Karzai is to hold talks with his Pakistani and Turkmenistan counterparts later this month on Afghanistan's biggest foreign investment project, said Mohammad Alim Razim, minister for Mines and Industries told Reuters.
"The work on the project will start after an agreement is expected to be struck at the coming summit," Mr Razim said.
The construction of the 850-kilometre pipeline had been previously discussed between Afghanistan's former Taliban regime, US oil company Unocal and Bridas of Argentina.
The project was abandoned after the US launched missile attacks on Afghanistan in 1999.
US company preferred
Mr Razim said US energy company Unocal was the "lead company" among those that would build the pipeline, which would bring 30bn cubic meters of Turkmen gas to market annually.
Unocal - which led a consortium of companies from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Japan and South Korea - has maintained the project is both economically and technically feasible once Afghan stability was secured.
"Unocal is not involved in any projects (including pipelines) in Afghanistan, nor do we have any plans to become involved, nor are we discussing any such projects," a spokesman told BBC News Online.
The US company formally withdrew from the consortium in 1998.
"The Afghan side assures all sides about the security of the pipeline and will take all responsibilities for it," Mr Razim said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1984459.stm
And the interim President gave a speech to congress this morning. Maybe news at 11. (have'nt found any info on the net yet. hmmmm.)
Monday, 13 May, 2002 Reuters © MMIII BBC News
Afghanistan hopes to strike a deal later this month to build a $2bn pipeline through the country to take gas from energy-rich Turkmenistan to Pakistan and India.
Afghan interim ruler Hamid Karzai is to hold talks with his Pakistani and Turkmenistan counterparts later this month on Afghanistan's biggest foreign investment project, said Mohammad Alim Razim, minister for Mines and Industries told Reuters.
"The work on the project will start after an agreement is expected to be struck at the coming summit," Mr Razim said.
The construction of the 850-kilometre pipeline had been previously discussed between Afghanistan's former Taliban regime, US oil company Unocal and Bridas of Argentina.
The project was abandoned after the US launched missile attacks on Afghanistan in 1999.
US company preferred
Mr Razim said US energy company Unocal was the "lead company" among those that would build the pipeline, which would bring 30bn cubic meters of Turkmen gas to market annually.
Unocal - which led a consortium of companies from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Japan and South Korea - has maintained the project is both economically and technically feasible once Afghan stability was secured.
"Unocal is not involved in any projects (including pipelines) in Afghanistan, nor do we have any plans to become involved, nor are we discussing any such projects," a spokesman told BBC News Online.
The US company formally withdrew from the consortium in 1998.
"The Afghan side assures all sides about the security of the pipeline and will take all responsibilities for it," Mr Razim said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1984459.stm
And the interim President gave a speech to congress this morning. Maybe news at 11. (have'nt found any info on the net yet. hmmmm.)
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80's Metal Hair Farmers for Kerry
For some reason I find this terribly amusing. First Howard Stern, now this. Who's next? Sylvester Stallone?
Bon Jovi hosts $1 million fundraiser for Kerry
June 15, 2004 | MIDDLETOWN, N.J. (AP) --
Musician Jon Bon Jovi says criticism and intimidation won't stop him from speaking out in support of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, who raised $1 million at the singer's home Monday night.
‘‘I've received hate mail at my house. I've had people drive by my home and shout things out," Bon Jovi told guests gathered outside his home along the Navesink River. ‘‘And I think that they question my patriotism because I decided to stand up and have a voice. And I stood up to have a voice because I think that's the most American thing that you can do."
Anyway, good for JBJ.
Bon Jovi hosts $1 million fundraiser for Kerry
June 15, 2004 | MIDDLETOWN, N.J. (AP) --
Musician Jon Bon Jovi says criticism and intimidation won't stop him from speaking out in support of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, who raised $1 million at the singer's home Monday night.
‘‘I've received hate mail at my house. I've had people drive by my home and shout things out," Bon Jovi told guests gathered outside his home along the Navesink River. ‘‘And I think that they question my patriotism because I decided to stand up and have a voice. And I stood up to have a voice because I think that's the most American thing that you can do."
Anyway, good for JBJ.
"Of what use is a philosopher who doesn't hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes
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