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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:24 pm

dr.placebo wrote:I'm glad to see that Dr. Kaiser is not the author. Whoever originally posted this then was incorrect. If this attribution was deliberately incorrect then it is a lie, and I suspect that to be the case. Props to CSS for doing the Snopes lookup.

The way that the victorious allies treated the defeated is instructive. After WW1 the allies (without sufficient resistance from the US) imposed punitive reparation debt on Germany, which became one of the many levers that Hitler used to rise to power. After WW2 the allies, strongly lead by the US, gave assistance to West Germany and Japan, who then became strong partners for the US in both economic and military matters.

CSS said "Hitler did not appeal primarily to hate, he appealed to pride." I must respectfully disagree. Essentially all politicians appeal to national pride; they would not be politicians for long if they did not. What distinguished Hitler from the rest of the pack was his demonization of the less powerful, the people already in disfavor. Since Hitler so strongly linked hate and pride then assigning a fraction is most likely a matter of opinion, but he was a twisted genius at using hate and resentment.

Trishnek implied that the Obama administration is using class warfare. I also respectfully disagree here. My thesis is that class warfare is happening, the ultra-rich against every one else, and they have been winning. Also, portraying the government as being either the source of all problems or the solution for all problems is equally incorrect. I happen to like a balance of powers, and I don't like corruption. Right now we have too little balance, and too much corruption.

I also fault Obama for his handling of the banks, for lack of transparency, and for other reasons. But what worries me most these days is not that he's a tyrant, but that he's better than we deserve.


can't sit still wrote:Dr Placebo, I'm sure that you saw my post on cost over-runs. We already know what the prevailing opinion on the prescription drug plan is. What is your opinion on the feasibility of the health care bill being executed with it's projected funding?


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Post by dr.placebo » Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:24 pm

CSS, I'm not up on the details of the healthcare plan. What I will say that in general we are so tax-averse and program-greedy that essentially nothing has much chance of being revenue neutral. As a body politic we need to grow up and realize that we have to pay for what we get, and we should bitch about not getting what we pay for. As long as politicians (of both parties) are owned by the very rich then we will continue down a financially irresponsible road.

While not getting into exact levels where people should be paying more, my household is definitely in the more taxes category.

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Post by ygmir » Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:25 pm

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can't sit still wrote: Our unpayable debts are self-imposed not externally imposed like war debt.
There are other parts of the comparison that aren't applicable. I'm not going tor refrain from posting an article because it isn't 100 % accurate. You're all smart enough to have a backlog of info to compare to new info. The parallels are what is important.
Historically, when a country crashes like we are in the process of doing, It becomes autocratic or dictatorial.

As far as obummer reaching out and being inclusive,, that's quite true. By sending enormous amounts of money to the military and the banks, he has FUCKED ALL of us.
Ok, i agree with you about the "enormous amounts of money to the military and the banks, he has FUCKED ALL of us" but if you back track, this is left over bullshit from the previous admin.

This was already in place just before this admin got into office.

I posted about this in the last "politics thread".
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Post by Trishntek » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:53 pm

ygmir wrote:
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can't sit still wrote: Our unpayable debts are self-imposed not externally imposed like war debt.
There are other parts of the comparison that aren't applicable. I'm not going tor refrain from posting an article because it isn't 100 % accurate. You're all smart enough to have a backlog of info to compare to new info. The parallels are what is important.
Historically, when a country crashes like we are in the process of doing, It becomes autocratic or dictatorial.

As far as obummer reaching out and being inclusive,, that's quite true. By sending enormous amounts of money to the military and the banks, he has FUCKED ALL of us.
Ok, i agree with you about the "enormous amounts of money to the military and the banks, he has FUCKED ALL of us" but if you back track, this is left over bullshit from the previous admin.

This was already in place just before this admin got into office.

I posted about this in the last "politics thread".
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,,,and the junior senator from Illinois voted for TARP so the blame is evenly spread throughout DC. So he adds to the debt in one year the amount which took Bush 8 years (worst attack on American Soil and the worst natural disaster in U.S. history) to accomplish. Does that make it any better? And now the news is that by 2020 the U.S. Gubmint will be paying OneMillionMillion dollars per year in interest alone. That is about 2.7 Billion dollars per day just for interest!
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Post by can't sit still » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:01 am

"So he adds to the debt in one year the amount which took Bush 8 years "
Yup, sounds like leftovers to me :lol:
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Post by Trishntek » Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:24 am

dr.placebo wrote:CSS, I'm not up on the details of the healthcare plan. What I will say that in general we are so tax-averse and program-greedy that essentially nothing has much chance of being revenue neutral. As a body politic we need to grow up and realize that we have to pay for what we get, and we should bitch about not getting what we pay for. As long as politicians (of both parties) are owned by the very rich then we will continue down a financially irresponsible road.

While not getting into exact levels where people should be paying more, my household is definitely in the more taxes category.
Why does not anybody talk about cutting spending? Is there some kind of rule that says, "whatever the government wants to spend, the government should get."??? This mentality is beyond my feeble understanding.

Pay for what we get? Why on earth do we send local education money to D.C. just so they can take 20% off the top and send it back to our local schools? That makes no sense whatsoever! Again, there is nothing provided by a government which is not first taken away from someone else. Governments do not produce anything but more bureaucracy.

Government employees get better benefits and higher wages than the private sector. Why? Because they do not concern themselves with the bottom line. What the hell, just spend more to justify your existence in the budget process!
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Post by dr.placebo » Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:16 am

I do favor cutting spending where it makes sense. Given my choice, farm subsidies that benefit large (and very profitable) corporations would be one of my first targets. There is a lot of military spending that does not increase our security. And there are any number of ways to reduce bureaucratic inefficiency.

The biggest federal spending, though, is the "entitlement" segment of the budget, such as for Medicare and Social Security. These tend to be popular and underfunded (but not underspent!). That is where I think that we need to be honest about balancing the budget. If people want to have even lower taxes then we have to cut benefits. If people want the same or more benefits then we have to increase taxes. We simply cannot get any kind of fiscal responsibility without taking on the entitlement programs.

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Post by Trishntek » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:49 pm

Agreed Dr P. And that is what is so upsetting about adding ANOTHER entitlement program to those which are already drowning in red ink.
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ygmir wrote:
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can't sit still wrote: Our unpayable debts are self-imposed not externally imposed like war debt.
There are other parts of the comparison that aren't applicable. I'm not going tor refrain from posting an article because it isn't 100 % accurate. You're all smart enough to have a backlog of info to compare to new info. The parallels are what is important.
Historically, when a country crashes like we are in the process of doing, It becomes autocratic or dictatorial.

As far as obummer reaching out and being inclusive,, that's quite true. By sending enormous amounts of money to the military and the banks, he has FUCKED ALL of us.
Ok, i agree with you about the "enormous amounts of money to the military and the banks, he has FUCKED ALL of us" but if you back track, this is left over bullshit from the previous admin.

This was already in place just before this admin got into office.

I posted about this in the last "politics thread".
says the "Obama-pologist"


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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:24 pm

Iran 'strives' for nuke-free world


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The Tehran conference, dubbed "Nuclear Energy for All, Nuclear Weapons for None," opened on Saturday with the main aim of promoting global disarmament and non-proliferation.

The following is a transcript of a Press TV interview with Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast after the conference closed on Sunday:

Press TV: Can the 12 points raised by the Iranian foreign minister, Manouchehr Mottaki, at the end of the two-day conference really make a difference?

Mehmanparast: As you might know, the Tehran nuclear disarmament conference took the first steps toward creating a will in the international community to deal with the problem that we are facing today. We hope that the coverage of the issues that were discussed in the two-day conference will raise public awareness worldwide about two issues.

While the gathering was underway different matters were discussed within several panels, one of which was how one's access to nuclear know-how for economic purposes and economic development of their countries has been limited. We need to formulate a strategy to reverse that trend and make it possible for all countries to enjoy the benefits of the technology.

Alongside that, there was another issue that has turned into a predicament and that is the existence of nuclear weapon arsenals that threaten world security. None of the countries that possess these weapons have upheld article six of the [Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty] NPT, even after forty years since the treaty was signed.


Press TV: You are obviously referring to the United States and Russia, they have just signed a new START treaty; there is the Washington summit, there has been the new Nuclear Posture Review, despite all these, why was there so much criticism of the United States at the conference?

Mehmanparast: The fact that the United States and Russia signed an agreement to reduce their nuclear arms is a good thing. It is a positive step. But there are certain doubts in the minds of people. If they are really serious at this level, why should they have almost 10,000 nuclear warheads each targeted at certain positions? What guarantees are there that they will actually carry out these reductions? What mechanism is there to test the authenticity of the treaty?

At the Washington Nuclear Security Summit, concerns about terrorist groups acquiring such weapons were raised. This is the concern of all countries. We are also worried. We believe that everybody should be worried about this. But, the question is what strategy are we going to use? It is better if everyone disarms. If everyone is serious about scrapping these weapons and not using them then there will be no weapons for anyone to access.

Holding nuclear weapons also creates another threat. If terrorist groups obtain these weapons for the massacre of innocent civilians, they will definitely make use of them and then, what difference is there between the government of the United States of America and the illegitimate Zionist regime and some other powers that have these weapons and have announced that they are willing to use them against nations.

Apart from the outcome of the terrorist groups' activities or countries that threaten to use these weapons, is there any difference between these countries and those terrorist groups? The largest concern of the international community is that some countries seek to keep these weapons.

Press TV: You are talking about trust and mistrust . The West, the United States and also France have said that they are not going to get rid of their nuclear weapons because they need them as a deterrent. They say that is the exact reason they need nuclear weapons against countries like Iran and the threats that they pose. So because of the threat that Iran poses they can't afford to get rid of nuclear weapons.

Mehmanparast: Nuclear weapons can never bring security for any country. If they had, they would have prevented the collapse of the former Soviet Union. There is no use for nuclear weapons. If you want to use such weapons for the destruction of the whole world, other countries will do the same. These countries bring up accusations against countries such as Iran to justify their possession of nuclear weapons. Iran's nuclear activities are peaceful and under the supervision of the IAEA and its inspectors.

Press TV: It has been discussed a lot in the last two days that Israel has not declared its nuclear arsenal. It is widely believed that it has the only arsenal in the Middle East. Iran and Egypt over 30 years ago expressed the idea of the region without nuclear weapons after the Islamic Revolution. The Israeli issue is still very dominant. How did Iran address this in the conference in getting a practical solution, given the obvious constraints?

Mehmanparast: If all of the countries seriously take measures toward the disarmament and if we go after this big target to see a world free of weapons of mass destruction, all areas in the world, including the strategic region of Middle East will be on the agenda.

We really believe a Middle East without nuclear weapons can bring about peace and stability and the measure by some Western countries to keep and arm the Israeli regime with these [nuclear weapons] is really threatening and will bring chaos and instability in the region. We recommend all Islamic countries, the OIC and all independent countries and the members of the Non-Aligned Movement [NAM] start a major move.

Press TV: We have the NAM, with over a hundred members and they have for years backed Iran's nuclear program, the political weight doesn't equal the P5+1. It's a reality. Can conferences like this, which bring Islamic countries together, make any step forward?

Mehmanparast: We think western countries specially these few superior states, in terms of technical know-how, and the P5+1 think if they make a move they have imposed as the will of the international community. But the Non-Aligned Movements itself includes 118 countries; there are also 57 countries in the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC). The international community calls for all countries' access to peaceful nuclear energy and strongly opposes the use of nuclear weapons for any purposes. We need to tell this to the P5+1 and countries that feel they can justify the possession of nuclear weapons. They need to understand that the will of the international community is disarmament in real terms. They need to come to terms with this if they want peace and security in the world. The use of nuclear weapons is a violation of human rights and the UN Charter. We all should strive for a world free of nuclear weapons.
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:27 pm

I am almost absolutely positive this is Pissing Israel off and will send them to doing a preemptive strike sometime soon.
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Post by can't sit still » Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:23 pm

This is a very good vid on false-flag attacks. It mentions Oklahoma city among others.
http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... t-fly.html
There is a lot that isn't explained about OK city. Why would Mcveigh do a thing with a truck when their were high-quality bombs already inside? There doesn't seem to be ANY question of this;
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Post by FIGJAM » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:08 pm

If that interests you, watch zeitgiest and the sequal. during the attack on the liberty there where planes deploid from an american carrier ten minutes away then then recalled on orders from the pentagon. Great documentery that starts at the very begining of history.
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Post by FIGJAM » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:18 pm

CSS. theres alot of info on false flag ops in the first movie and the second has alot about the economy. It said something about the federal reserve printing money and then the bank could make loans on ten times that figure. Its been awhile since i watch, but it sure is an eye opener. Hope you check them out. I would value your opinion.
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Post by dr.placebo » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:55 pm

The Arizona legislature has recently taken two actions that demonstrate that the majority of Arizona state reps are idiots.

1. The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state’s ballot when he runs for reelection. The House voted 31-22 to add the provision to a separate bill. The measure still faces a formal vote.

2. If you look like an immigrant you will be forced to carry your legal papers in the State of Arizona. McCain weighs in with
In an interview with Bill O’Reilly on Fox News on Monday, Mr. McCain said: "The state of Arizona is acting and doing what it feels it needs to do in light of the fact that the federal government is not fulfilling its fundamental responsibility — to secure our borders."

He added that it would be regrettable if the legislation, which still needs Gov. Jane Brewer’s signature, led to racial profiling. But he said it was aimed at protecting "people whose homes and property are being violated, drivers of cars with illegals in them that are intentionally causing accidents on the freeways."
Regrettable, perhaps, but predictable for sure.

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Post by FIGJAM » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:29 pm

10 or so years ago they pased a law that said if you were in phx. without a coat or sweater and it was below 50 degrees you are guilty of a felony. Oh my acking ass.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:20 am

Report: Google Hackers Stole Source Code of Global Password System

* By Kim Zetter Email Author
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The hackers who breached Google’s network last year were able to nab the source code for the company’s global password system, according to The New York Times.

The single sign-on password system, which Google referred to internally as “Gaia,â€
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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:46 am

Yeah, I read about this earlier today. I think I posted it on my wall.
Anyhoo, this is not an uncommon thing.

In fact, from the way this was hacked, this is a style of someone I have been in contact with in L.A..

A real asswipe and is really good at doing this sort of thing.

I've seen him do it many times.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:26 pm

Pat Tillman film a haunting blindside

Journalists gave the story of soldier Pat Tillman’s death six years ago the hero’s treatment. What it deserved was real journalism.
By Bill Dwyre

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-042 ... ?track=rss

April 24, 2010


I have never quite gotten the Pat Tillman story out of my system. Only now am I understanding why.

It has been six years and two days since he died, his head blown off amid a pile of rocks on the side of a hill in Afghanistan, murdered by guys on his own team, other U.S. soldiers. After lying about it, the military eventually called it friendly fire and treated it as a mistake. Horrible, yes, they said. But a mistake.

He was a football hero, a star safety for the Arizona Cardinals. Before that, he was a free spirit linebacker at Arizona State, whose hair flowed out of his helmet and whose tackles left physical and mental imprints.

When he walked away from a fat pro contract to become a soldier, fighting in the front lines of Iraq and Afghanistan, we all swooned. What a guy, what a hero, what a story.

We are so used to pro athletes being incapable of gazing beyond their own navels, unable to fathom anything of importance beyond their next contract and ensuing trip to the jewelry store, that we couldn't get enough of Tillman. Journalism celebrates the unusual, and this sure was.

Like other writers in the West, I had a head start. I had been face to face with Tillman, had met him, had a feel for him. Once, after an otherwise unmemorable UCLA-Arizona State game, my postgame question, as we walked along, brought him to a stop. I had danced around something controversial and he did what no other athlete, before or since, has done. He called me on it.

"That's not what you really want to know," he said. "Ask it again."

I did, this time straight to the point. He answered the same way. I was now a Pat Tillman fan. Veteran scribe learns from long-haired linebacker.

I laughed when he was taken near the end of the NFL draft and the babblers at ESPN assured all that he was too small to make it. They had likely never talked to him, certainly never been hit by him.

I loved the stories about him riding his bike to training camp and, when he drove, parking his junky old car next to the Beemers and Mercedes in the team lot.

When he died, when the tragedy dripped from the front pages and wept from the TV screens, I fell right in line. It was a story of heroics, the red, white and blue kind. It was more apple pie and Chevrolet than Don McLean, more American than John Wayne.

He wasn't just a hero. He was our hero.

In June 2006, I flew to San Jose to see Alex Garwood, Tillman's brother-in-law, who had been acting as a family spokesman in the absence of much speaking of any kind by the rest of the family. Garwood was cooperative, friendly and clearly a person who knew lots more than he was saying. By then, the story of Tillman being killed by the enemy had changed to friendly fire. Still, I didn't press Garwood much. I was looking for tears, when I should have been looking for facts.

My column ran on the Fourth of July. I blathered on about barbecues and water skiing with the family, about cherishing the freedoms we have because of heroes such as Tillman. All I missed were some rockets red glare. I was so pleased with myself. Heroes are a columnist's best friend.

Thursday night, on the sixth year anniversary of Tillman's death, I went to a screening of "The Tillman Story." It is a documentary about the quest of Tillman's mother, Mary (Dannie) Tillman, to get the real facts of what happened on that hillside. Halfway through, I was mortified. I realized why the Tillman story has stayed in my gut.

Dannie Tillman did what a nation full of high-paid, overblown journalists should have done. She went after the real story while the beautiful people on TV and the nerds with notepads broadcast and wrote morality plays. She got in the military's face, in the government's face. She didn't let up. She was doing journalism while journalists were doing what we mostly do now — chase Web hits and take short cuts to higher profits.

A housewife got the real story, or as much of it as anybody probably will. Professionals trained to do so gathered moss and wrote slop.

The youngest of the three Tillman boys, Richard, said of his mother, "She hit the ball out of the park, but the government kept moving the fences back."

The documentary won't be out until August. It won't be in many theaters, and it won't be around for long. You need to watch for it. It will make you angry and ashamed. Like I am.

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Post by cowboyangel » Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:57 am

Tillman was "fragged" to borrow a phrase from Viet Nam days.

The coward bastards that did it know who they are and they are still out there....officers and enlisted in the employ of ultra hate wing of US governance, steeped in wretched pseudo-christian anti-Islamic hate nonsense. Fuck em, you rotten coward anti-democratic gangrene brained slime.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:04 am

I want to see this movie when it comes out.
Bet it wont be in the theaters long either nor be in many theaters. If I miss it, I'll definitely get the DVD.
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Pelosi Death Threats Linked to Fox News


April 08, 2010 11:28 am ET


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Media Matters' Burns: There are "real consequences" to network's history of violent rhetoric

Washington, DC - Today, after the mother of Gregory Giusti -- the man arrested for allegedly threatening Speaker Nancy Pelosi's life over health care reform -- stated that Fox News was a factor in her son's alleged actions, Media Matters for America released the following statement:

"The violent language and scare tactics we see on Fox News every day have real consequences," said Eric Burns, President of Media Matters. "This is a network that ran a 14-month campaign against health care reform, which left their viewers confused and angry. The question is, now that one of those viewers has allegedly threatened Speaker Pelosi's life over health care reform, is Fox News going to do anything about it?"

BACKGROUND

On April 7, the Los Angeles Times reported that "everal federal officials say the man [Giusti] made dozens of calls to Pelosi's homes in California and Washington, D.C., and to her husband's business office. The suspect allegedly recited her home address and said that if she wanted to see it again, she should not support the healthcare overhaul bill that was recently signed." The same day, Giusti's mother, Eleanor Giusti, made the following comments to ABC's San Francisco affiliate, KGO-TV:

ELEANOR GIUSTI: Greg has -- frequently gets in with a group of people that have really radical ideas and that are not consistent with myself or the rest of the family and -- which gets him into problems. And apparently I would say this must be another one that somehow he's gotten onto either by -- I'd say Fox News or all of those that are really radical, and he -- that's where he comes from.

As Media Matters has noted, Fox News hosts and guests have repeatedly used violent rhetoric and apocalyptic language to describe health care reform and other issues. Additionally, a number of network personalities have a history of issuing inflammatory remarks about Pelosi. Most notably, Glenn Beck discussed "put[ting] poison" in Pelosi's wine:

INFLAMMATORY REMARKS ABOUT PELOSI

* Beck talks about "put[ting] poison" in Pelosi's wine. Glenn Beck stated:

BECK: So, Speaker Pelosi, I just wanted to -- you gonna drink your wine? Are you blind? Do those eyes not work? There you -- I want you to drink it now. Drink it. Drink it. Drink it.

I really just wanted to thank you for having me over here to wine country. You know, to be invited, I thought I had to be a major Democratic donor or a longtime friend of yours, which I'm not.

By the way, I put poison in your -- no, I -- I look forward to all the policy discussions that we're supposed to have -- you know, on health care, energy reform, and the economy. [Glenn Beck, 8/6/09]

* Cal Thomas: Pelosi's "deliberately provocative" walk across Capitol was like "the march through Skokie, Illinois, by the Nazis." Columnist Cal Thomas said, "When Nancy Pelosi went through those tea partiers, it was like -- what should we analogize this to? -- the march through Skokie, Illinois, by the Nazis. It was deliberately provocative. They wanted a reaction." [Fox News Watch, 3/27/10]

* Fox & Friends re-enacts pro-life heckler who told Pelosi to "burn in hell." Co-host Steve Doocy played a heckler who shouted, "Nancy Pelosi, you'll burn in hell!" during a Pelosi speech while co-host Alisyn Camerota imitated Pelosi. After they re-enacted the events, co-host Peter Johnson Jr. laughed. [Fox & Friends, 10/30/09]

* Beck asks if Pelosi was "inciting" tea partiers with House gavel -- "a big hammer." Beck asked, "If [Pelosi] was really worried about violence and she thought these people were violent, why would you grab a big hammer and walk into a sea of these people?" He later asked, "Did anyone say to Nancy Pelosi, 'You're inciting these people. You're slapping them across the face'?" [Glenn Beck, 3/25/10]

* O'Reilly says Pelosi is pushing "Fidel Castro stuff." Bill O'Reilly stated that "Nancy Pelosi and her far-left crew want to raise the top tax rate to 45 percent. That's not capitalism, that's Fidel Castro stuff, confiscating wages that people honestly earn. [The O'Reilly Factor, 11/4/2009]

* Beck lists Pelosi among California's "really dangerous people" that include communists, eco-terrorists, Black Panthers. Beck stated that "California has become quite a hotbed for all kinds of radicals -- communists, socialists, all in the 1960s, but they were here before -- progressives. Now, eco-terrorists, they're here. You have the Panthers formed here. Nancy Pelosi is here. A lot of really dangerous people in a state as volatile as this one, and it is on the edge." [Glenn Beck, 2/9/10]

* O'Reilly hosts tea party activist who says it "would have been more symbolic had [Pelosi] had a whip." On The O'Reilly Factor, tea party activist Kevin Jackson characterized the walk to the Capitol by Pelosi and other members of Congress on the day the House voted for health care reform as "this very wealthy white lady leading a group of black, you know, men up to the thing with her gavel in her hand. It would have been more symbolic had she had a whip." [The O'Reilly Factor, 3/31/10]

* Miller: Pelosi has a "sub-reptilian intellect." On The O'Reilly Factor, radio host Dennis Miller claimed that voters "did not want to turn $1.2 million over to a sub-reptilian intellect like Nancy Pelosi." After O'Reilly compared Pelosi's comments following the November 2009 elections to "George Custer at the Little Big Horn, before the arrow went through his throat," Miller added, "This woman could lose a game of Tic-Tac-Toe to an amoeba, for God's sakes. It will show you the holes in the system we have that this is the most powerful woman in the United States of America. Look at her -- she's sub-reptilian. ... Empty, vapid, nobody's home." [The O'Reilly Factor, 11/4/09]

* Miller: "If you go in with her and the long knives ... you better be ready to play hard." Dennis Miller said of Pelosi: "There's blood in the water on her, and I hope they bring in Cousteau's kid to document it because this is going to be a beautiful demise. ... It's going to get ugly, and if you go in with her and the long knives, I would warn you -- and you're not a plastic surgeon, you better be ready to play hard, because you will get the speaker's gavel from her when you pry it from her cold, dead hand, as they say in the trade." [The O'Reilly Factor, 5/19/09]

* Doocy thought O'Reilly asking if Pelosi is a "kook" was a "great question." On Fox & Friends, Doocy played a clip of O'Reilly asking Sarah Palin, "Do you think that [Pelosi's] a kook? ... Do you think she's actually crazy?" Doocy added, "What a great question: 'Is she a kook?' " [Fox & Friends, 1/13/10]

VIOLENT, APOCALYPIC RHETORIC

* Palin: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Palin posted a list of House Democrats who voted for health care reform with crosshairs aimed at their locations. In a March 23 tweet about her map, Palin wrote: " 'Don't Retreat, Instead -- RELOAD!' " Palin's list was criticized by conservative Elizabeth Hasselbeck, who introduced and endorsed Palin during the 2008 campaign, as helping foster a climate of violent rhetoric. Hasselbeck added that the list is "purely despicable" and "insane."

* Beck: "Grab a torch." Asserting that politicians are addicted to spending, Beck stated: "When do we ever run those who are bankrupting our country and literally stealing our children's future out of town? Grab a torch." [Glenn Beck, 1/6/10]

* Huckabee: Members of Congress "should be tarred and feathered as the original tea partiers would have done." As RightWingWatch.org noted, Fox News host Mike Huckabee said of members of Congress in January:

HUCKABEE: Every member of Congress knows in his gut what's in the people's interest and what's in K Street's interest. If you think your real boss is some smug guy in a corner office with his Gucci loafers up on a mahogany deck and not the folks back home, those folks who voted for you, who gave you 25 or 50 hard-earned bucks, who put up yard signs and made calls for you, you deserve to lose. Shame on you, you shouldn't just be fired, you should be tarred and feathered as the original tea partiers would have done. That's my view and I welcome yours. [Fox News' Huckabee, 1/25/10]

* Stossel said he has "Barney Frank in effigy" hanging above his sofa. In a February 3 interview with New York magazine, when Fox Business host John Stossel was asked, "What's hanging above your sofa?" he responded: "Barney Frank in effigy." [New York, 2/3/10]

* Morris: "Those crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a case." During a long conspiracy theory about a "super-national authority" that will oversee U.S. financial institutions, Fox News contributor Dick Morris asserted that because President Obama's policies are "internationalist ... [t]hose crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a case." [Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto, 3/31/09]

* Beck portrays Obama, Democrats as vampires, suggests "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers." Beck aired a graphic portraying Obama and Democrats as vampires and said, "The government is full of vampires, and they are trying to suck the lifeblood out of the economy." Beck then suggested "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers." [Glenn Beck, 3/30/09]

* Beck: "To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter." Telling his listeners that they "are going to learn so much on Friday," Beck compared himself to "Israeli Nazi hunters" and commented, "I'm going to find these big progressives and, to the day I die, I'm going to be a progressive hunter." He added:

BECK: I'm going to find these people that have done this to our -- you know, to our country, and expose them. I don't care where -- I don't care if they're in nursing homes. I'm going to expose what they have done and make sure that the people understand, because our Constitution, our republic -- if it survives -- it will only survive because the people are waking up and through the grace of God, because we are that close to losing our republic. [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 1/20/10]

* Beck: "This is the end of prosperity in America forever ... the end of America as you know it." Telling his audience, "You must not allow this to pass," Beck stated in November 2009 that "they're going to get passed that 60-vote barrier. And they'll get there by people like [Sen.] Joe Lieberman, who's a reasonable guy and has good intent. You'll get passed it by people like that, who say, you know what? Look, we got to be reasonable; we have to have a debate. And then Harry Reid will go for the 51 count and he'll pass this thing. And it will be a nail in the coffin of America." Beck added: "You must -- must get on the phone in your districts. You must wake everybody up you know. This is the end of prosperity in America forever if this bill passes. This is the end of America as you know it." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 11/19/09]

* Beck: "[T]he fundamental transformation of America is complete." Beck also said: "Not only are they doing health care, but they are doing education in this same bill. Education and health care." He added: "It is overwhelming the system. And I'm telling you, if this bill passes -- health care and education all in one bill -- if this passes, the fundamental transformation of America is complete. There's no going back from this point. It must not pass." [The Glenn Beck Program, 3/15/10]

* Beck: "If you can be deemed someone who maybe shouldn't have a baby, they can have their people come in." Beck said on his Fox News show: "You know and I know in this 2,300-page bill that includes education, the control that this government has is endless. They will -- if this passes, they will control every aspect of your life." Beck further said: "They will be able to -- there is places in here that if you can be deemed someone who maybe shouldn't have a baby, they can have their people come in. The government is in our homes on this." [Glenn Beck, 3/16/10]

* Beck: We lose "the Democratic Party to the socialists." On his March 19 Fox News program, Beck stated: "If this passes, I think it makes the election of people like Lindsey Graham, who are the compromise with big government, darn near impossible, because you can't tone this one down. You've got to pull this back by strong constitutionalists. Don't we -- if this passes, don't we lose, really, the Democratic Party to the socialists? And the Republican Party either has to be, you know, real federalists, real people that understand controlled power, or you are going to have a third party?" [Glenn Beck, 3/19/10]

* Moore: "This is a dark day for America if we pass this bill." Discussing the market reaction to passing the health bill, The Wall Street Journal's Stephen Moore said on Fox News: "I think personally -- I think that the markets have always thought for the last year and a half that eventually this day would come. And I think, by the way, this is a dark day for America if we pass this bill." [America's News HQ, 3/21/10]

* Cal Thomas claimed health reform "is an outrage" and "a sham"; "[e]uthanasia is coming." On Fox News' America's News HQ, Thomas said the health bill is "a triumph of the humanistic, atheistic philosophy. Instead of being endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights, those rights are going to be taken away by bureaucrats who will decide whether you get a hip replacement or a heart bypass, based on your age and your ability to pay more taxes." He continued:

THOMAS: It is an outrage. It is a sham. Euthanasia is coming. You can call them death panels. That's exactly what they're going to be. We are going to really be sorry for this, but, unfortunately, when the guy in the white robe comes to give us our little pill, as President Obama told ABC, the 100-year-old woman who wants to live must get in order to make it equal for everybody and not to spend so much, it will be too late. [America's News HQ, 11/21/09]

* Hannity: "If we get nationalized health care, it's over; this is socialism." In November 2009, Sean Hannity said, "When you look at the extreme czars, and you look at Barack Obama, and you look at the Barack Obama that portrayed himself one year ago as a very different candidate, you know, why -- I feel like I have been vindicated. I was excoriated for saying he is far more radical than people know. You know, what do you see about him? Do you think he is far -- do you think he's a socialist? Do you think he's -- because I think this is -- if we get nationalized health care, it's over. This is socialism, and that's a kind word." [Fox News' Hannity, 11/2/09]
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Post by Trishntek » Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:11 am

And???

Why do you think the battle for votes was among the Democratic party? They did not need one single Republican vote to pass the bill. The battle was among the Democrats!

I guess you probably realize that more bureaucracy was created with this single bill than Roosevelt did with the entire New Deal?

I do not recall such outrage when Bush was burned in effigy or called a liar. I do not recall anyone making a big deal when Gingrich's life was threatened. In fact, when Tony Snow was dying of cancer, there were celebrations! And if you would actually watch Glenn Beck, you would see that he actually promotes non violence. It would probably be a good idea to get your information from original sources rather than a George Soros controlled website.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:22 am

Trishntek wrote:And???

Why do you think the battle for votes was among the Democratic party? They did not need one single Republican vote to pass the bill. The battle was among the Democrats!

I guess you probably realize that more bureaucracy was created with this single bill than Roosevelt did with the entire New Deal?

I do not recall such outrage when Bush was burned in effigy or called a liar. I do not recall anyone making a big deal when Gingrich's life was threatened. In fact, when Tony Snow was dying of cancer, there were celebrations! And if you would actually watch Glenn Beck, you would see that he actually promotes non violence. It would probably be a good idea to get your information from original sources rather than a George Soros controlled website.

Wanna know what the difference is? Bush is a liar, Snow was a Racist and the only good racist is a dead racist, Glen Beck is a proven fucking MORON.

You have just proven yourself on this board to be an idiot.

Oh and to add, the Democrats have not an ounce of fucking balls, but at least they are doing less harm than this Fox News and so called conservative, tebagger nutcase idiots. Hey they had 8 years to get shit done. Everyone else has to clean their mess in a short amount of time.
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Post by Trishntek » Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:25 am

Idiocracy RULES!
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:27 am

Yea, idiots have ruled, now it's time for the intelligent to take over for awhile.

Stupidity is just not fashionable anymore these days.
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:46 pm

Ummm, what if the intelligent are too smart to take the job?
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:48 pm

I'm pretty positive we have a pretty smart one in there now. Definitely smarter than the ones that were in there the past 8 years and definitely smarter than Palin.
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