israel, judaism, jews and zionism

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:56 pm

Well with as much as Israel is in the news these days of doing the most blatant things for everyone to see, there is no way anyone cant, say what Israel is doing is wrong.

Openly assassinating an "alleged" arms dealer. ( and mind you there is nothing illegal about selling arms) and bitch slapping V.P. Biden and the U.S. on the public stage.

Wonder what the people that thought Israel was one of the good guys has to say now about the consistency of Israels atrocities.

Plain and simple, Israel is fucked up.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:43 am

News from outside of the states.

Israel and the States dont look too good.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:58 pm

More proof, Israel has shot itself in the foot and is slowly dismantling itself despite wanting to build on stolen land:

Israelis Against Israeli Settlements

Anyone that still thinks Israel is in the right is just as naive as the Bush/Cheney supporters.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:06 am

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can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:08 am

The U.S. military is getting real tired of the continuing train of israeli spies that steal and then SELL it's secrets. It's not like the israelis are stealing military secrets to keep an eye on us. Nope, it's just for profit.
General Pertreaus has come out and said that israel is a big threat to the U.S. military.
http://america-hijacked.com/2010/03/17/ ... interests/

Now, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former director of studies at the US Army War College says that the military brass now know that israel did 9/11

Netanyahu seems to be saying that the West better destroy Iran or israel will destroy the West;
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/ ... troys-you/
There seem to be pretty credible reports that he threatened Putin IN the Kremlin and Putin tossed him out.
israel claims that it should act like a "mad dog" on the world stage. OK, so the world is afflicted with a theocracy that has hundreds of nukes and believes that it should act like a MAD DOG.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:56 am

Speaking of "MAD DOG", check this video out. In it, it speaks of the same thing

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can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:17 pm

There is a report that israerl will attack iran by November;
http://america-hijacked.com/2010/04/03/ ... an-by-nov/
The supposition is that they will fire tactical nukes from subs. Dunno. Seems like the missiles would be easy targets for all the tons of missiles already in Iran. Now, Russia plans to send more missiles.
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Russi ... t_999.html
The Russians are building a reactor at Bushehr. I doubt that they want to see it blow up.

I had NO idea of how many different missiles exist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missiles
Even a couple of "funny" ones,, "similar to North Korea's No Dong missile"
http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countri ... le2004.htm

Reportedly, the most deadly of all missiles is the "sunburn" The pentagon said that it would not build any more ships for the navy until they had some kind of defense for it.
http://www.rense.com/general59/theSunbu ... wesome.htm
There is NO defense for the Sunburn.

Apparently, obama doesn't want israel to attack; http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=12 ... =351020104
The U.S. may know that israel has NO chance of beating Iran,,, dunno. Iran is cozy with China and china has a rubber-covered submarine that we can't detect.
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kilo877/
If israel wants to prove that they are the "mad dog" of the world, an attack on Iran should do it.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:49 am

This is from Arutz Sheva. "Rabbis to US Ambassador: Time to 'Go Biblical' with Arabs"
Rabbi Gerlitzky replied: "You must switch the entire approach to the situation. We all believe in the Holy Bible and up until now we tried every formula except for that which is delineated in the Bible"
The old testament god was a god of genocide. It's spelled out over and over in the bible. The 350 rabbis are calling for a complete genocide of everyone in the area who are not co-religionists. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/135283
The sick, fucked up examples and teachings from the old testament have no place in a world of super weapons.
Ethnic cleansing is sick enough. The religious cleansing of a mad-dog theocracy guided by a bloodthirsty guidebook is sicker yet.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:53 am

The whole world including the israelis knows that the settlements are the big problem.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/1 ... 39380.html
Unfortunately, GOV has very little control of the situation. The king of Jordan has just warned that war with Hezbolla and Lebanon is imminent. It would appear that Hezbolla can't really win a war. The best [worst] that they can hope to do is to provoke israel to open a wider war by landing some of their newly acquired SCUDS in israel.
An attack on Lebanon might be induced to bring in Syria. I'm sure that Hezbolla would just love to drag in the iranian republican guard. Crazy fucks.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:52 pm

can't sit still wrote:This is from Arutz Sheva. "Rabbis to US Ambassador: Time to 'Go Biblical' with Arabs"
Rabbi Gerlitzky replied: "You must switch the entire approach to the situation. We all believe in the Holy Bible and up until now we tried every formula except for that which is delineated in the Bible"
The old testament god was a god of genocide. It's spelled out over and over in the bible. The 350 rabbis are calling for a complete genocide of everyone in the area who are not co-religionists. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/135283
The sick, fucked up examples and teachings from the old testament have no place in a world of super weapons.
Ethnic cleansing is sick enough. The religious cleansing of a mad-dog theocracy guided by a bloodthirsty guidebook is sicker yet.

Oh wow! You saw this also.

I was gonna post this but hey, no one reads this thread.

Well except intelligent folks such as yourself and I.

FIGJAM · Post by **FIGJAM** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:25 pm

It seems that "by the book" in this case is a bad idea.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:28 pm

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:32 pm

I actually meant to post this here because this is really what this Israel/christian thing is all about.

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Real bunch of nut cases.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:35 pm

DVD, there are 30,000 views. I think that there are a lot of people who watch the situation but, don't speak out. If we can present something other than the whitewash of MSM,,, every bit helps. Did you hear the reaction from AIPAC when Berkeley decided to divest from companies that are profiting from the genocide?
http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... on_17.html
They're having a shit-fit. I'd say that some people in Berkeley read sources other than MSM. I'm actually surprised by the number of views of this thread. One would expect the topic to be of fairly limited interest. I hope that we can all keep the thread relevant and informative.
I prefer to post articles and quotes rather than accusations. The thread is less likely to collapse into flames. If a particular article is posted, that gives people with a differing opinion plenty of time to investigate and prepare a rebuttal.

The israelis are REAL quick to pull out the OLD testament. Even though the god of Abraham and Isaac was also the god of Paul, they have NO use for the new testament.
The old testament is very clear. Almost everyone is your enemy;
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/17/world ... ne.html?hp

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:27 pm

I too myself try to post nothing but Articles and facts but how can one not voice their opinion when Israel is doing what they are doing? Especially knowing the facts.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:40 pm

Seems that there was a bit of heat in California that was caused from israel.
"I never thought I'd hear a candidate talk about brutal occupation, lack of water, unnecessary continuous deaths and lack of democracy. Harman in response called Marcy an extremist who wants to get rid of Israel,"
http://mondoweiss.net/2010/04/israel-is ... -huff.html
"Harman stood up and said she did not go to the caucus to debate and strode out"
It's getting more difficult day by day to uphold the illusion that israeli leadership is anything but criminal.
Netanyahu had to cancel his appearance to a non-proliferation conference because Egypt and Turkey were going to confront him on isreal's nukes,,, that don't exist.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:23 pm

This paper on Pre-war Germany has some interesting statistics;
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/au ... eI.html#LD

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:48 am

South Africa likens Israeli restrictions to apartheid

April 26, 2010

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/04 ... -apartheid

CAPE TOWN (JTA) -- The South African government has compared new Israeli military restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank to apartheid laws.

The South African Department of International Relations and Cooperation issued a statement condemning the restrictions as "a gross violation of an individual's human rights," saying that the military order "further exacerbates the already fragile situation in Palestine," according to a report in the daily Cape Times.

Israel has said the newly updated military order, designed to prevent infiltrations into the West Bank by requiring that residents have proper identification, has been in effect for many years. The order was updated recently to require an immediate hearing before a judge if someone is accused of breaking the order.

Avichai Adrai, an Israeli army spokesman, said last week in a conference call with Palestinian journalists that the order actually will help legalize the presence of Gaza Palestinians who fled the coastal strip and now reside in the West Bank.

Americans for Peace now has charged that the updated order, which went into effect April 13, could lead to the arrest of an unknown number of Palestinian residents of the West Bank, as well as internationals living and working there.

"South Africa, because of its history, is particularly sensitive to the infringement of human rights that the carrying of a permit implies and the unilateral punishments that can be brought to bear on an individual by the state," the South African statement said. It also said that the provisions were unclear and seemed "to disregard the existence of the Palestinian Authority and the agreements Israel signed with it and the PLO."

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:19 pm

This is something that I've known about for a while;
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 693911.ece
I tried to "construct" this thread so that it wouldn't fall into a morass of opinions, flames and hurt feelings. We did have one visit where the girl said that we should put all this ugly stuff behind us and concentrate on healing in Palestine. Pretty weak effort.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:10 am

Just wanted to post this before I forgot and went to sleep:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8645970.stm

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:13 pm

More bulldozers in the news.
"roughly half the village was annexed by Israel and included in the Jerusalem municipal area. The village's residents, however did not receive Israeli residency or citizenship, and are considered illegal in their own homes."
http://www.popularstruggle.org/content/ ... l-alwalaja

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:46 pm

man, you would figure with all this damning evidence we post, at least some one on this board would come up with some kind of defense for Israel. You know, like the Palestinians did something first to cause all of this.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:01 pm

DVD, the best defense is a good offense. Several years ago, I had a tiny bit of friction in an exchange of posts with "SED" When I met him at the burn, he gave me a live round from a highpowered hunting rifle,,, with my name on it. Good defense

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:11 pm

SED has always been somewhat less than intelligent.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:44 pm

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Hilarious!

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:05 pm

DVD Burner wrote:man, you would figure with all this damning evidence we post, at least some one on this board would come up with some kind of defense for Israel. You know, like the Palestinians did something first to cause all of this.

There really isn't ANY defense for israel's actions. They would rather just shut up anyone that disagrees with them;
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1165910.html

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:56 pm

The poll says that more than half of israelis oppose the rights groups. The good part is that there are many who approve of the actions of the rights groups.
Apparently, a group of important Europeans have gone to Gaza to see for themselves;
http://www.rense.com/general90/eurpp.htm
Maybe this will help. The problem with the settlers is that they answer to no one. Only violence will stop them.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun May 02, 2010 4:03 pm

This is some good news from Berkeley. I haven't verified it yet but, it sounds reasonable.

UC Berkeley vote: a small loss, an enormous win
" I have been an activist since I was a teenager, and yet, the night of April 28 in the Pauley Ballroom of UC Berkeley will surely stand out as one of the most remarkable activist achievements I have ever witnessed.

And I am grateful that you were there, represented by thousand of green stickers: each with a name, a place, an identity.

While the senate at UC San Diego sent a similar proposal to a committee for further study, divestment proponents at Berkeley failed by just one vote to reverse a presidential veto of their original overwhelming vote to divest. The members of Berkeley's Students for Justice in Palestine wanted UC to divest from 2 companies that profit from killing and harming of civilians as part of Israel's occupation. Yes, companies that make money from death. From control. From destruction. They needed 14 votes out of 20 to overturn the veto. Despite truly heroic efforts on the part of countless students, including such impressive student senators, in the end they had 13 votes. The 14th abstained.

And yet, if you ask the question, after weeks of multiple hearings and votes, Who really won here?, the numbers speak for themselves:
Nearly 30 hours of hearings and testimony with standing room only audiences and in some cases, people flying in from other parts of the country to testify, others sending video or being Skyped in from Palestine and Gaza.
The support of some 100 professors, over 40 student groups, 5 Nobel Laureates, 9 Israeli peace groups, 263 community Jews in one ad plus 40 pages and growing of notable Jewish endorsements, some 8,000 JVP supporters like you from around the globe who in just 5 days created a sea of visible support.

At this last and final hearing alone, there were 500 people, standing room only.
A speaker asked the supporters of divestment to stand up: nearly 80% stood.
A senator announced that 62% of that night's registered speakers were pro-divest, while 38% were against.
After everything, 13 of 20 senators at one of the United States' leading academic institutions stood clearly on the side of divestment.

And that's why so many left with a feeling of both anger and jubilation. But more than anything, determination.

If the theme of the all-night hearing in mid April-at which a final vote was tabled- was that there was every bit as much, if not more Jewish support for divestment as against it on the UC campus, the narrative running through April 28th's all-night session was that this is about the Palestinian story, Palestinian resilience, Palestinian humanity and one day, in their quest for justice and full equality, Palestinian victory.

Imagine hours and hours of testimony from Palestinian and Arab student after student, each standing in front of a microphone and hundreds to tell their story- stories of broken bones, destroyed homes, arbitrary imprisonment and torture. Stories of bombs through living room windows, and strips searches at checkpoints. Stories of not being able to learn because schools are closed down for years at a time. Stories that until now seemed to have been banished from the public square because the mere fact of their telling, and in so doing asserting the full beauty and humanity of the teller, has been taken as a threat."

MSM is controlled by jews. Evidently, this hearing gave voice and venue for individuals and groups who felt that they had to speak up.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed May 05, 2010 5:34 pm

This is a very interesting writeup. I won't quote,,, just read it;
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/not-muc ... -atzm.html

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri May 07, 2010 2:48 am

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