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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:55 pm

I dont know about you guys but this Miner funeral to which I am being forced to watch has some absolutely awful singers.

I might add, I dont feel sorry for any of the dead Miners.

Shouldn't be mining in the first place. For coal anyway.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:35 pm

Hey Cowboy, got a question for ya.
How does it feel to be ahead of the curve and call it right on the banks for so many years?
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YOU WANT TO GET MAD? We had eight years of Bush and Cheney, but now you get mad! You didn’t get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President. You didn’t get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy. You didn’t get mad when a covert CIA operative got ousted. You didn’t get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.. You didn’t get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us. You didn’t get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war. You didn’t get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq. You didn’t get mad when you found out we were torturing people. You didn’t get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans. You didn’t get mad when we didn’t catch Bin Laden. You didn’t get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed. You didn’t get mad when we let a major US city drown. You didn’t get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich. You didn’t get mad when, using reconciliation; a trillion dollars of our tax dollars were redirected to insurance companies for Medicare Advantage which cost over 20 percent more for basically the same services that Medicare provides. You didn’t get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark, and our debt hit the thirteen trillion dollar mark. You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans… oh hell no. AND NOW YOU’RE MAD !
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:57 am

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These guys make the best comedies! :lol:
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:14 am

You know if we didn't abort all those babies, we would have more taxpayers. You gots to think things through, citizens.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:18 am

Oil Rig Explosion in the gulf. April 20
Coal Mine Explosion, April 5
Connection? No, that would be crazy.

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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:07 pm

Wow! Never really thought about a connection.
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Post by can't sit still » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:22 pm

This is an excellent article that talks about states rights and nullification. The article points out that the U.S. supreme court is the final arbiter of whether or not something is constitutional. Being part of the federal GOV, they can be expected to always rule that the Feds are right and withing the constitution.
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Post by dr.placebo » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:48 pm

My primary problem with the phrase "states rights and nullification" is that it has a particularly ugly past. It has been used to justify first slavery, then our own quaint version of apartheid after the civil war, and as a attempt to circumvent just about every progressive act of federal government (labor protections, health and safety, environmental regulations, and the list goes on). It is true that in some cases the states try to be more progressive than the feds, but that's not so common (medical marijuana comes to mind).

Another problem I have is that the 10th amendment reads
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
The process for deciding whether the states or the people possess certain rights is not specified, which is a significant flaw.

Further, the 14th amendment trumps the 10th, since it comes later (note that this is sound, otherwise one could not repeal an amendment, as with prohibition). The 10th amendment contains the equal protection clause that prevents states from favoring one group over another (typically, but not exclusively, due to race).

In brief, the history of appeals to the 10th amendment makes me suspect that those appealing to it don't understand the history or the consequences of acting alone. United We Stand, read a flag of the war for independence, and it still makes sense. Balkanization was bad for the Balkans, and the prospect of having a patchwork of 50 "sovereign" states makes me cringe.

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Post by ygmir » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:10 pm

but, as I interpret it, the whole idea was to have individual sovereign states, loosely connected by a central gov.
With the ability to govern themselves, in all things, except for a very few that it does really take a central gov. to handle.
and, for some of us, it's the ideal............not so much for communist leaning individuals, or those who want everything fair (lowest common denominator, Robin Hood complex).

I have no interest in being governed by someone in Indiana, or, influenced by their actions.

I note, some like to use "progressive" when referencing things they agree with............not so much if you don't. Fair enough, just a note.

Why do some dwell in guilt for past "wrongs"? They seem to think "we" should be punished for said transgressions, or, don't deserve the best, due to them, or, whatever........... a "complex" of sorts.....
Like, if they shine their countenance on the "less fortunate/oppressed" folks, they'll be admired for deeming them worthy........sort of the thing about wanting the people you help to adore and admire you, and, sing your praises, because, really, you are better than them and are just trying to help. Almost condescending, in a way. IMHO.

How about just getting out of the way and let people do what they can, with, what they have?
A simplistic proposal, I admit, but, to me, it has much merit.
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:21 am

ygmir wrote:but, as I interpret it, the whole idea was to have individual sovereign states, loosely connected by a central gov.
With the ability to govern themselves, in all things, except for a very few that it does really take a central gov. to handle.
and, for some of us, it's the ideal............not so much for communist leaning individuals, or those who want everything fair (lowest common denominator, Robin Hood complex).

I have no interest in being governed by someone in Indiana, or, influenced by their actions.

I note, some like to use "progressive" when referencing things they agree with............not so much if you don't. Fair enough, just a note.

Why do some dwell in guilt for past "wrongs"? They seem to think "we" should be punished for said transgressions, or, don't deserve the best, due to them, or, whatever........... a "complex" of sorts.....
Like, if they shine their countenance on the "less fortunate/oppressed" folks, they'll be admired for deeming them worthy........sort of the thing about wanting the people you help to adore and admire you, and, sing your praises, because, really, you are better than them and are just trying to help. Almost condescending, in a way. IMHO.

How about just getting out of the way and let people do what they can, with, what they have?
A simplistic proposal, I admit, but, to me, it has much merit.





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Next we'll hear something about one being socialist.
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Post by dr.placebo » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:25 am

The sovereign state idea is an artifact created by the formation of the colonies. It is a reaction against a monarchy and a tyranny. But it is neither sacred nor magic.

Some would paint the current federal government as a centralized tyranny. I disagree, and would point out that we have ample regional representation, perhaps even to a fault (rural areas are overrepresented).

But let me try to be more clear about what I do not advocate. I do not advocate the disappearance of states. I do not advocate a further diminution of individual liberties, either by the federal government, or the state governments, or local governments, or by corporations or associations.
Why do some dwell in guilt for past "wrongs"?
I don't feel guilty. I don't believe in racial superiority or racial guilt. I don't think that reparations based on group identity are a good idea at all. I don't want people to be protected from oppression so they will thank me (what an absurd idea!) I want people to be protected from oppression because I am a person, and I do not wish to be oppressed.

I think that a meritocracy is a good way to run things. Aside from moral issues the reason to promote fairness is to allow those with merit to rise because it maximizes the integrated benefit. But I don't think that it is just a governmental duty. Rather, it is a social duty, one that we all owe to each other and to ourselves.
How about just getting out of the way and let people do what they can, with, what they have?
I'll interpret this at a governmental level rather than a personal level, since I don't think that I personally present much of a barrier. There are a number of reasons that government exists, and I won't try to do Civics 101 here. The one thing that nearly all citizens agree on is that government has a legitimate duty for collective defense. What I would say is that this applies to foreign threats, crime by individuals, and oppression by corporations and associations. The first two are obvious, and are not really in dispute here (although it is difficult at times to get people to fund the police sufficiently).

It is that protection from the robber barons, from the financial master thieves, and from hate groups that some decry as interference. As an example, if a neighbor tries to solve his rubbish problem by dumping it in your yard the conflict is clear and you would (presumably) seek a legal remedy. But when this dumping of toxins happens in the next state, and causes your child's cancer, then only an entity larger than a state can step in.

Now in my opinion many of our current problems are due to the obscene way that the ultra rich are continuing to acquire and hoard the wealth of this country. The inequality of wealth is not just unfair, in many cases it is a criminal act (read some of the news about Goldman Sachs). I think that the government, be it state or federal, has not done their job. In part this is because at the middle and lower levels we allow ourselves to be pulled apart by irrelevant details and theories. Government should not get out of the way, it should represent the common good and bar the way.

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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:47 am

Wow Doc! Nice!


I especially like this part:



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It is that protection from the robber barons, from the financial master thieves, and from hate groups that some decry as interference. As an example, if a neighbor tries to solve his rubbish problem by dumping it in your yard the conflict is clear and you would (presumably) seek a legal remedy. But when this dumping of toxins happens in the next state, and causes your child's cancer, then only an entity larger than a state can step in.

Now in my opinion many of our current problems are due to the obscene way that the ultra rich are continuing to acquire and hoard the wealth of this country. The inequality of wealth is not just unfair, in many cases it is a criminal act (read some of the news about Goldman Sachs). I think that the government, be it state or federal, has not done their job. In part this is because at the middle and lower levels we allow ourselves to be pulled apart by irrelevant details and theories. Government should not get out of the way, it should represent the common good and bar the way.
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:54 am

Mind you, I would post what's on my mind but these days, and especially after posting as much as I have over the years on this board, which has pretty much amounted to going nowhere despite the fact, the end results have always been the same every time, which normally turns out to be I was right 4-5 years ago and it's just now coming to light.

So I just let everyone else post.

Works out better for me and I dont waste any more time or brain power.

Plus everyone is doing such a better job than I at explaining things in a way the average person can understand.

Seems I'm not very good at that.

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Post by Trishntek » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:47 am

DVD Burner wrote:Wow Doc! Nice!


I especially like this part:



dr.placebo wrote:
It is that protection from the robber barons, from the financial master thieves, and from hate groups that some decry as interference. As an example, if a neighbor tries to solve his rubbish problem by dumping it in your yard the conflict is clear and you would (presumably) seek a legal remedy. But when this dumping of toxins happens in the next state, and causes your child's cancer, then only an entity larger than a state can step in.

Now in my opinion many of our current problems are due to the obscene way that the ultra rich are continuing to acquire and hoard the wealth of this country. The inequality of wealth is not just unfair, in many cases it is a criminal act (read some of the news about Goldman Sachs). I think that the government, be it state or federal, has not done their job. In part this is because at the middle and lower levels we allow ourselves to be pulled apart by irrelevant details and theories. Government should not get out of the way, it should represent the common good and bar the way.
The problem we have though is the gubmint. Yeah GS did some unsavory things, but were they legal? Yup they sure were!

What gets my goat is, why is not Fannie May and Freddie Mac held accountable for their bundling of toxic assets? Why they are gubmint managed, of course and can do nothing wrong! Right?

In the course of seeking to even the playing field for all, the Equal Housing Act basically forced the money changers to loan money that didn't exist to people unable to pay their debt. This was above and beyond the non existent funds they were already loaning. But at least it was loaned to individuals qualified to make their payments. So out of the "good intentions" of a benevolent gubmint the hard earned cash we are coerced to donate gets wasted on super-inflated housing prices which came about by the ease of obtaining a mortgage. It is basic economics really. If money (or the promise of funding) is easy to come by, it becomes less valuable. Money SHOULD represent time and effort. Nowadays money is nothing but empty promises on a pretty piece of paper.

Gubmint created an environment of false economy which invites "creative" ways of securing a profit on what GS and others knew was bad paper. Pardon me for expressing the obvious, but that is what they are in business to do,,,,, make money for their stockholders.

It is also interesting that the gubmint chose Goldman Sachs to bail out and let Lehman Brothers, et al fail. Is it no coincidence that most members of the Federal Reserve Board and Executive Branch Treasury are former GS staff? While you're at it, look into who is involved in the Chicago Carbon Exchange. They are the leading group involved in the Cap and Trade movement. No,,,, don't tell me,,,, Goldman Sachs owns a 10% share? If you think it is bad to make money on bad paper, wait until they start making money on invisible gas!
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:57 am

Trishntek wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Wow Doc! Nice!


I especially like this part:



dr.placebo wrote:
It is that protection from the robber barons, from the financial master thieves, and from hate groups that some decry as interference. As an example, if a neighbor tries to solve his rubbish problem by dumping it in your yard the conflict is clear and you would (presumably) seek a legal remedy. But when this dumping of toxins happens in the next state, and causes your child's cancer, then only an entity larger than a state can step in.

Now in my opinion many of our current problems are due to the obscene way that the ultra rich are continuing to acquire and hoard the wealth of this country. The inequality of wealth is not just unfair, in many cases it is a criminal act (read some of the news about Goldman Sachs). I think that the government, be it state or federal, has not done their job. In part this is because at the middle and lower levels we allow ourselves to be pulled apart by irrelevant details and theories. Government should not get out of the way, it should represent the common good and bar the way.
The problem we have though is the gubmint. Yeah GS did some unsavory things, but were they legal? Yup they sure were!

What gets my goat is, why is not Fannie May and Freddie Mac held accountable for their bundling of toxic assets? Why they are gubmint managed, of course and can do nothing wrong! Right?

In the course of seeking to even the playing field for all, the Equal Housing Act basically forced the money changers to loan money that didn't exist to people unable to pay their debt. This was above and beyond the non existent funds they were already loaning. But at least it was loaned to individuals qualified to make their payments. So out of the "good intentions" of a benevolent gubmint the hard earned cash we are coerced to donate gets wasted on super-inflated housing prices which came about by the ease of obtaining a mortgage. It is basic economics really. If money (or the promise of funding) is easy to come by, it becomes less valuable. Money SHOULD represent time and effort. Nowadays money is nothing but empty promises on a pretty piece of paper.

Gubmint created an environment of false economy which invites "creative" ways of securing a profit on what GS and others knew was bad paper. Pardon me for expressing the obvious, but that is what they are in business to do,,,,, make money for their stockholders.

It is also interesting that the gubmint chose Goldman Sachs to bail out and let Lehman Brothers, et al fail. Is it no coincidence that most members of the Federal Reserve Board and Executive Branch Treasury are former GS staff? While you're at it, look into who is involved in the Chicago Carbon Exchange. They are the leading group involved in the Cap and Trade movement. No,,,, don't tell me,,,, Goldman Sachs owns a 10% share?


Ok, here's the thing people like you have a hard time understanding and I am sure the Doc can explain it better than I.

You have to look ahead and plan for the unforeseeable and fix the obvious that are going to cause problems.

Sometimes there are mistakes in the process, but unlike the last administration, you can not make the same mistakes over and over and over again and expect the mistake to just correct itself. the government lacked it's responsibility because of MAINLY the last administrations lack of foresight and continued irresponsibility.

Your blaming Fannie May and Freddie Mac is the same lame excuse used and created by the lies the media such as Fox news was feeding to you about ACORN, which turned out in the end to be A HUGE LIE.


I know you think it is a fashionable thing to blame all of what is going on right now on this administration, but it's time you stop blaming all of the fuckups of the last administrations on the current administration.


In fact, there is a facebook fan page that millions are joining you might be able to learn something from called "How about we stop blaming Barack Obama for everything George Bush did."
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Post by Trishntek » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:11 pm

jkisha wrote:Thanks Ygmir, but I merely picked up the torch from joel the ornery.

I actually agree that government should be as small as possible; but what that smaller budget should include is where we might differ.

I also don't believe that government programs, such as the government sponsored program Obama has in mind for creating jobs while improving infrastructure for example, and smaller government have to be mutually exclusive.

There's a lot of ways to trim waste while still providing beneficial services; and I'm trying hard to not let skepticism influence my optimism. I dint believe that Obama is one for preserving power in government as you state it.

If I see things are not as I am hoping, you'll see me post my change of attitude; but hopefully I won't have to and America will start looking a lot more like we'd all like it to be.

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And note, Joel is not over here because, hey, he cant hang with intelligent answers when it comes to politics.

Just about everything he posted for 8 years was wrong.

Same will happen with you and jkisha.

You guys think exactly like these guys:

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and use the same exact arguments.

Bet you wont even look at the video and will come up with some excuse to change the topic.
You guys are too predictable. :lol:

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Post by Trishntek » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:18 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
Trishntek wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Wow Doc! Nice!


I especially like this part:



The problem we have though is the gubmint. Yeah GS did some unsavory things, but were they legal? Yup they sure were!

What gets my goat is, why is not Fannie May and Freddie Mac held accountable for their bundling of toxic assets? Why they are gubmint managed, of course and can do nothing wrong! Right?

In the course of seeking to even the playing field for all, the Equal Housing Act basically forced the money changers to loan money that didn't exist to people unable to pay their debt. This was above and beyond the non existent funds they were already loaning. But at least it was loaned to individuals qualified to make their payments. So out of the "good intentions" of a benevolent gubmint the hard earned cash we are coerced to donate gets wasted on super-inflated housing prices which came about by the ease of obtaining a mortgage. It is basic economics really. If money (or the promise of funding) is easy to come by, it becomes less valuable. Money SHOULD represent time and effort. Nowadays money is nothing but empty promises on a pretty piece of paper.

Gubmint created an environment of false economy which invites "creative" ways of securing a profit on what GS and others knew was bad paper. Pardon me for expressing the obvious, but that is what they are in business to do,,,,, make money for their stockholders.

It is also interesting that the gubmint chose Goldman Sachs to bail out and let Lehman Brothers, et al fail. Is it no coincidence that most members of the Federal Reserve Board and Executive Branch Treasury are former GS staff? While you're at it, look into who is involved in the Chicago Carbon Exchange. They are the leading group involved in the Cap and Trade movement. No,,,, don't tell me,,,, Goldman Sachs owns a 10% share?


Ok, here's the thing people like you have a hard time understanding and I am sure the Doc can explain it better than I.

You have to look ahead and plan for the unforeseeable and fix the obvious that are going to cause problems.

Sometimes there are mistakes in the process, but unlike the last administration, you can not make the same mistakes over and over and over again and expect the mistake to just correct itself. the government lacked it's responsibility because of MAINLY the last administrations lack of foresight and continued irresponsibility.

Your blaming Fannie May and Freddie Mac is the same lame excuse used and created by the lies the media such as Fox news was feeding to you about ACORN, which turned out in the end to be A HUGE LIE.


I know you think it is a fashionable thing to blame all of what is going on right now on this administration, but it's time you stop blaming all of the fuckups of the last administrations on the current administration.


In fact, there is a facebook fan page that millions are joining you might be able to learn something from called "How about we stop blaming Barack Obama for everything George Bush did."
Pssssst DVD ,,,,, where did I say anything about the Obama administration? I'm talking about Gubmint all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt. Don't be so fucking defensive man! You might lead me to believe you work for ACORN yourself! By the way, speaking of which,,,, why did they diversify into a grand multitude of organizations?
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Trishntek wrote: Pssssst DVD ,,,,, where did I say anything about the Obama administration? I'm talking about Gubmint all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt. Don't be so fucking defensive man! You might lead me to believe you work for ACORN yourself! By the way, speaking of which,,,, why did they diversify into a grand multitude of organizations?

And I quote myself again:

DVD Burner wrote:And note, Joel is not over here because, hey, he cant hang with intelligent answers when it comes to politics.

Just about everything he posted for 8 years was wrong.

Same will happen with you and jkisha.

You guys think exactly like these guys:

[youtube][/youtube]

and use the same exact arguments.

Bet you wont even look at the video and will come up with some excuse to change the topic.
You guys are too predictable. :lol:

Pretty sad actually.
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Post by Trishntek » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:26 pm

DVD Burner wrote:I am leaving you folks to be hypocrites here.

Dont let me stop you.
DVD you said this over a year ago! You aren't stopping us,,,, but how's that hypocrisy things working out for ya?
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:28 pm

Trishntek wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:I am leaving you folks to be hypocrites here.

Dont let me stop you.
DVD you said this over a year ago! You aren't stopping us,,,, but how's that hypocrisy things working out for ya?
Pretty damn good. In fact, so good you did exactly as I said you would .
You didn't watch the video and you changed the topic.

Too predictable and I'm having a blast on you.

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Post by Trishntek » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:41 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
Trishntek wrote: Pssssst DVD ,,,,, where did I say anything about the Obama administration? I'm talking about Gubmint all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt. Don't be so fucking defensive man! You might lead me to believe you work for ACORN yourself! By the way, speaking of which,,,, why did they diversify into a grand multitude of organizations?

And I quote myself again:

DVD Burner wrote:And note, Joel is not over here because, hey, he cant hang with intelligent answers when it comes to politics.

Just about everything he posted for 8 years was wrong.

Same will happen with you and jkisha.

You guys think exactly like these guys:

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and use the same exact arguments.

Bet you wont even look at the video and will come up with some excuse to change the topic.
You guys are too predictable. :lol:

Pretty sad actually.
And the "New Left Media" has no agenda, I'm sure.
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Post by Trishntek » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:44 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
Trishntek wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:I am leaving you folks to be hypocrites here.

Dont let me stop you.
DVD you said this over a year ago! You aren't stopping us,,,, but how's that hypocrisy things working out for ya?
Pretty damn good. In fact, so good you did exactly as I said you would .
You didn't watch the video and you changed the topic.

Too predictable and I'm having a blast on you.

:lol:
And I'm sure you watch Glenn Beck religiously to know what lies he tells? Frankly, it's none of your business what I do with your cherry picked vid.
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:45 pm

Trishntek wrote:
And the "New Left Media" has no agenda, I'm sure.

Oh ya bet they do have an agenda.

To be quiet and let the hypocrites and idiots talk.

It's much funnier that way.

:lol:

Still didn't watch that video all the way through huh?

Hit too close to home?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:49 pm

Trishntek wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:
Trishntek wrote: DVD you said this over a year ago! You aren't stopping us,,,, but how's that hypocrisy things working out for ya?
Pretty damn good. In fact, so good you did exactly as I said you would .
You didn't watch the video and you changed the topic.

Too predictable and I'm having a blast on you.

:lol:
And I'm sure you watch Glenn Beck religiously to know what lies he tells? Frankly, it's none of your business what I do with your cherry picked vid.

nope, dont spend a lot of time watching all of Beck. Stopped watching him full time years ago when CNN gave him the boot.

I leave the watching of Beck to The Young Turks. After all, they are on the same page as I and have several levels of intelligence I admire and respect to be credible and accurate.

Saves me so much more time. In fact sometimes it gives me just enough time ti sit here and chat wit you and read your occasional drivel. :lol:


Oh and hey, "it's none of my business"? RICH!


I guess the video offended you huh?

What in the video offended you?
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Post by Trishntek » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:54 pm

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Trishntek wrote:
And the "New Left Media" has no agenda, I'm sure.

Oh ya bet they do have an agenda.

To be quiet and let the hypocrites and idiots talk.

It's much funnier that way.

:lol:

Still didn't watch that video all the way through huh?

Hit too close to home?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
If I didn't watch it, how would I know who made it? And no, I did not get the tax credit. And all I see are common folks gathered together because they can see past 5 minutes and realize this country is going to the poor house on the express lane. Simply put, tax credits or taxing 100% of all our income is not going to get us out of the hole the U.S. GUBMINT has been digging since the founding of the Federal Reserve. It has nothing to do with His Heinous, W, Slick Willy or Jimmy! It has everything to do with us not holding our representative gubmint accountable. It has everything to do with absolute power corrupting the system absolutely!

You want to be a gubmint dependent? Fine! I do not want to be a gubmint dependent. The only reason "social justice" exists is to make sure the standard of living is leveled to the lowest common denominator. While the elite live above the minions as has happened throughout the history of mankind. There is nothing new here,,,, just new for we who cherish the fragile, special society formerly known as the United States of America.
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Post by dr.placebo » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:54 pm

The problem we have though is the gubmint. Yeah GS did some unsavory things, but were they legal? Yup they sure were!
I am not a lawyer, but from my mildly educated lay perspective the emails so far from Goldman Sachs give ample evidence of fraud and insider trading.

But again, the more important thing to note is that this is a sick system. The government is at fault because it is colluding with those who are acquiring the wealth. The super rich are at fault because they are too greedy to see that they are poisoning the well. And the rest of us are at fault for not raising more of a stink about it. Saying the the government is the problem avoids facing the systemic nature of the problem.

One can blame the Equal Housing Act, but that does not explain the speculators, it does not explain the deliberate misleading of those who were clearly not going to pay back the loans, it does not explain the "securitization" of opaque bundles backed by weak mortgages, and it does not explain the "big short" taken by certain firms who sold shit while betting it would stink.

Please note that I'm not defending the government, but making it the big enemy is inaccurate. My earlier point still stands, the government's least controversial role is collective defense, and in my view we are being attacked.

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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:59 pm

Trishntek wrote:
If I didn't watch it, how would I know who made it?



RICH!

It's labeled on the video as such. BWWAAAA HA HA HA HA!
Trishntek wrote:And no, I did not get the tax credit. And all I see are common folks gathered together because they can see past 5 minutes and realize this country is going to the poor house on the express lane. Simply put, tax credits or taxing 100% of all our income is not going to get us out of the hole the U.S. GUBMINT has been digging since the founding of the Federal Reserve. It has nothing to do with His Heinous, W, Slick Willy or Jimmy! It has everything to do with us not holding our representative gubmint accountable. It has everything to do with absolute power corrupting the system absolutely!

You want to be a gubmint dependent? Fine! I do not want to be a gubmint dependent. The only reason "social justice" exists is to make sure the standard of living is leveled to the lowest common denominator. While the elite live above the minions as has happened throughout the history of mankind. There is nothing new here,,,, just new for we who cherish the fragile, special society formerly known as the United States of America.


AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! This is tooo funny!


YOU ARE A TEA PARTYER!


Ha ha ha ha ha!

You quoted EXACTLY word for word what everyone in the video said.

I bet you watch Fox news also.

LOL!
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