Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night....II

[DVD Burner]

Wait a minute, let me get this straight.

Jeb is the smart one in the family and is smarter than the tea baggers.

[Trishntek]

To thrive on division and derision is an existence based on destruction. The end of any society comes about via class warfare, political manipulation and a false economy. When the populace realize that being a member of a minority doesn't matter, being a member of a political party doesn't matter and being labeled a "class" based upon income doesn't matter, that will be the day the scales fall from our eyes and we realize the only thing dividing us is the gubmint.

[Elderberry]

Thanks Ygmir, but I merely picked up the torch from joel the ornery.

I actually agree that government should be as small as possible; but what that smaller budget should include is where we might differ.

I also don't believe that government programs, such as the government sponsored program Obama has in mind for creating jobs while improving infrastructure for example, and smaller government have to be mutually exclusive.

There's a lot of ways to trim waste while still providing beneficial services; and I'm trying hard to not let skepticism influence my optimism. I dint believe that Obama is one for preserving power in government as you state it.

If I see things are not as I am hoping, you'll see me post my change of attitude; but hopefully I won't have to and America will start looking a lot more like we'd all like it to be.

JK

Well JK, here it is over a year later. How's that workin' out for ya'?

Just fine, and thanks for asking. Which is why I no longer post regularly in this forum...I'm actually content with the administration and don't want the rest of you to rain on my parade.

As far as I'm concerned, the only two people in this thread with any form of cogent and sensible comments are Ygmir and dr.placebo.

[DVD Burner]

To thrive on division and derision is an existence based on destruction. The end of any society comes about via class warfare, political manipulation and a false economy. When the populace realize that being a member of a minority doesn't matter, being a member of a political party doesn't matter and being labeled a "class" based upon income doesn't matter, that will be the day the scales fall from our eyes and we realize the only thing dividing us is the gubmint.

What an ironic statement.

I know of a history of one group of people who were famous for separating groups of people and thriving on it for centuries.

Now it's not funny?

Oh the irony!

[dr.placebo]

To thrive on division and derision is an existence based on destruction. The end of any society comes about via class warfare, political manipulation and a false economy. When the populace realize that being a member of a minority doesn't matter, being a member of a political party doesn't matter and being labeled a "class" based upon income doesn't matter, that will be the day the scales fall from our eyes and we realize the only thing dividing us is the gubmint.

I started to agree with you, and ended up not agreeing with you.

Thriving on division and derision is, indeed, destructive. But since I'm one of those despised liberals, I think that it cuts both ways (I'm talkin' to you, Murdoch!)

Recognizing that class warfare is being practiced is not nearly the same thing as advocating class warfare. I'm not against rewarding those who are productive, far from it. But the flip side is that I don't like rewarding those who are destructive.

And finally, the government is quite simply not the enemy. Think of the society as a system, with many interlocking parts, and look at what government actually does. In my view the myth of the oppressive government is being used divisively, derisively, and destructively.

[Ugly Dougly]

Scene in the Ukrainian Parliament recently. Good to see that they are passionate about government.

[Trishntek]

Scene in the Ukrainian Parliament recently. Good to see that they are passionate about government.

Personally, I'd prefer seeing more of that in our houses of representin' at least we would know they really care and have some semblance of a spine.

DrP, I do not believe the general gubmint has purposefully set out to divide people. But anytime you set out to pursue "social justice" rather than the Equal Justice of the constitution, the end result it favoritism, ingratiation and finally, injustice for most.

[dr.placebo]

DrP, I do not believe the general gubmint has purposefully set out to divide people. But anytime you set out to pursue "social justice" rather than the Equal Justice of the constitution, the end result it favoritism, ingratiation and finally, injustice for most.

I suspect that we have a very different definition of social justice. The original constitution permitted slavery and denied women the vote. It is precisely because people fought for social justice that we have been able to improve the system. Can a desire for social justice lead to bad policies? Sure, but so can a desire for Equal Justice, or any other ideal. The cruelty of idealists can easily match the cruelty of those without ideals.

It is hard to imagine a more passionate legislative body than our Congress shortly before the civil war. Yet this passion did nothing to avert the war.

[DVD Burner]

Sen. Lindsey Graham: Arizona immigration bill may be unconstitutional

[can't sit still]

Quite simply, the GOV IS the enemy. They drag us into one war after another. What did we prove in Viet Nam? What did we prove in Korea? Can you think of ANY reason that is important to the majority of Americans, NOT israelis to be fighting in Afghanistan with no particular aim?
Europe had / has a 6000 year history of war. What would Europe look like if the U.S. hadn't staged Pearl Harbor to drag us into the war? People would be dead and things would have shifted around,, that's all.
If we hadn't been dragged into WW II, we wouldn't have had the cold war. We would have lost some markets in Europe for a while. That's about all.
GOV is now doing its best to get rid of habeas corpus, freedom of speech, the right to bear arms and a few other important things. GOV IS the enemy. I don't need to enumerate all the killing and destruction done in our name by our GOV.

There was never any possibility that America would have been invaded by a land army. There was never any excuse to go to war. The bankers wanted the profit from war and that was the only reason.
Churchill? said that WW II could have been avoided if 100 bankers had been shot.

Now, our enemy [GOV] is pushing hard to invade Iran. That puts us at risk for WW III. Tell me again that GOV isn't the enemy.

[DVD Burner]

hey you know something?

This thread really is gettin kinda good after all.

[Ugly Dougly]

Sen. Lindsey Graham: Arizona immigration bill may be unconstitutional

South Carolina senator. That's the "Dixie flag on the Capitol, Ten Commandments in the Courthouse" South Carolina, isn't it?

Arizona's "neat idea" won't be practical until and unless we all have Citizenship Cards and cannot travel from state to state without one. Are your papers in order?

Creeping totalitarianism always sneaks in using such tactics.

[ygmir]

you want inspiration, to go out and change?
you want to be motivated?


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[dr.placebo]

Tell me again that GOV isn't the enemy.

Government is not the enemy.

Pogo (Walt Kelly) said "We have met the enemy and he is us." That is the quintessential systems statement.

I hate war. Just sticking with the US alone, most of its armed conflicts could, and should, have been avoided. But I think that painting all wars involving the US as being the result of government conspiracies is counterfactual. In particular, thinking that we could have avoided WW2 (and that Pearl Harbor was staged) is unfounded.

You start out by blaming the government, then the bankers, for WW2. Are these the same?

If we hadn't been dragged into WW II, we wouldn't have had the cold war. We would have lost some markets in Europe for a while. That's about all.
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People would be dead and things would have shifted around,, that's all.

That's what you have to offer? The domination of Eurasia by militant madmen rates a "that's all?" And a nuclear Nazi Germany (let's face it, they could have done it, even if it took an extra 10 years) does not raise even a slight quiver?

[can't sit still]

Ygmir, I found a "funny" statement about WW II;
"The Japanese knew the US secret war plan, because it had been uncovered and published by the Chicago Tribune " Lets hear it for independent journalism !!

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 806AAwNawx

Dr Placebo, for th first time, your post doesn't merit any comment or rebuttal.

[dr.placebo]

Dr Placebo, for th first time, your post doesn't merit any comment or rebuttal.

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[FIGJAM]

Every law enforcement agency in mexico, local and fed, are abligated to arrest illegal alians in their country. First offence is like 5 years in prison, second is 10. Citizens of mexico also are required to place illegals under citizens arrest. They rutinely torture and kill illegals on their southern boarder. No noncitizen is aloud to protest or make any political statments by law. But nobody wants to address those issues. When i was a little FIGJAM i spent alot of time in southern AZ. on my uncles ranch and we rutinely hide our workers from the border patrole. My how times have changed.

[DVD Burner]

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[DVD Burner]

Every law enforcement agency in mexico, local and fed, are abligated to arrest illegal alians in their country. First offence is like 5 years in prison, second is 10. Citizens of mexico also are required to place illegals under citizens arrest. They rutinely torture and kill illegals on their southern boarder. No noncitizen is aloud to protest or make any political statments by law. But nobody wants to address those issues. When i was a little FIGJAM i spent alot of time in southern AZ. on my uncles ranch and we rutinely hide our workers from the border patrole. My how times have changed.

and there you have it.

[can't sit still]

There's a lot of horse shit floating around concerning the new law. It isn't a new law. It just instructs LEOs to enforce existing federal law. The Pima county sheriff has his head up his ass. His fear of lawsuits is legitimate if his guys Don't follow guidelines. He needs to train them. I seriously doubt that obots in D.C. will be able to fault Az for following existing federal law.
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf

[Trishntek]

There's a lot of horse shit floating around concerning the new law. It isn't a new law. It just instructs LEOs to enforce existing federal law. The Pima county sheriff has his head up his ass. His fear of lawsuits is legitimate if his guys Don't follow guidelines. He needs to train them. I seriously doubt that obots in D.C. will be able to fault Az for following existing federal law.
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf

and there you have it state side

[DVD Burner]

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this is a really short piece that does not get as much play as the others that totally applies to what is going on today that is just HILARIOUS!

[DVD Burner]

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Oil Rig Explosion in the gulf. April 20
Coal Mine Explosion, April 5
Connection? No, that would be crazy.

[Trishntek]

DrP, I do not believe the general gubmint has purposefully set out to divide people. But anytime you set out to pursue "social justice" rather than the Equal Justice of the constitution, the end result it favoritism, ingratiation and finally, injustice for most.

I suspect that we have a very different definition of social justice. The original constitution permitted slavery and denied women the vote. It is precisely because people fought for social justice that we have been able to improve the system. Can a desire for social justice lead to bad policies? Sure, but so can a desire for Equal Justice, or any other ideal. The cruelty of idealists can easily match the cruelty of those without ideals.

It is hard to imagine a more passionate legislative body than our Congress shortly before the civil war. Yet this passion did nothing to avert the war.

My understanding of Social Justice was pertaining to "Fairness". This requires categorizing people into groups of society. Where Equal Justice considers the Individual Rights. I believe the latter is more fundamental than the former.

You speak of slavery and women's rights. That was the beauty of the system as it matured and separated itself from the old world. Slavery abolition matured into individual rights in the 1960's. Women's rights were grossly for a gender. But if it were not for the Equal Justice statute, we would indeed be judged by the color of our skin or our gender instead of the character of our being.

Equality in justice means everyone is equal under the law. Every individual is neither "too big to fail" or too small to have an equal opportunity. A tax cheat is not qualified to run the treasury dept. Anyone of us would be fucked without the pleasure of intercourse.

Ahhhh shit i'm too fucked up,,,, gnite all,,,,,,,z,zzzzzzz

[DVD Burner]

I cant see what's wrong with Brown calling one a "Bigot" if one is a "Bigot".


What is the big deal?

[Ugly Dougly]

He is running for office. Or was.

[DVD Burner]

So you are telling me that people are not interested in voting for someone who is honest in calling out bigots?

[Trishntek]

I cant see what's wrong with Brown calling one a "Bigot" if one is a "Bigot".


What is the big deal?

I'm sure no more a big deal than Cheney telling a U.S. Senator to go fuck himself.

[DVD Burner]

I cant see what's wrong with Brown calling one a "Bigot" if one is a "Bigot".


What is the big deal?

I'm sure no more a big deal than Cheney telling a U.S. Senator to go fuck himself.

Apples and oranges.

Brown is being honest. Cheney is being disingenuous and evasive.

That should be obvious to the average intelligent human.

[DVD Burner]

Any thoughts on THE PROTESTS ON WALL STREET right now?

By the looks of it, they seem to be bigger than the Tea Party. LOL!