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Post by Elderberry » Sun May 02, 2010 9:28 am

Trishntek wrote:My understanding is the primary engagement must be based upon suspicion of transgressing of other laws. The LEO"S are not primarily seeking illegals, it only comes into play during other enforcement activities.
Ya, right.

Mexico has released a travel advisory for it's citizens warning them about travel to Arizona, USA. First time ever in world history has any country had to issue a travel advisory for the United States.

Shame on Arizona.

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Post by FIGJAM » Sun May 02, 2010 9:36 am

and a few years ago mexico was handing out comic books to their citizens on how to beat the boarder.
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Post by Trishntek » Sun May 02, 2010 10:04 am

jkisha wrote:
Trishntek wrote:My understanding is the primary engagement must be based upon suspicion of transgressing of other laws. The LEO"S are not primarily seeking illegals, it only comes into play during other enforcement activities.
Ya, right.

Mexico has released a travel advisory for it's citizens warning them about travel to Arizona, USA. First time ever in world history has any country had to issue a travel advisory for the United States.

Shame on Arizona.

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"HAD TO issue a travel advisory,,,,?" who forced them to do that?

Did Canada do it? Guatemala? Panama? Ecuador? Honduras? Phillipines? China?

It is ridiculous to think by AZ passing a law instructing LEO's to enforce an existing law would generate what the hyperbole claims. When was the last time you were stopped solely for not wearing your seat belt? Or solely for using your cell phone while you drive? Or how about loud pipes on a bike? They don't even enforce those laws, unless there is some other reason for probable cause. It's all much ado about nothing.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun May 02, 2010 11:09 am

Trishntek wrote: "HAD TO issue a travel advisory,,,,?" who forced them to do that?

Did Canada do it? Guatemala? Panama? Ecuador? Honduras? Phillipines? China?

It is ridiculous to think by AZ passing a law instructing LEO's to enforce an existing law would generate what the hyperbole claims. When was the last time you were stopped solely for not wearing your seat belt? Or solely for using your cell phone while you drive? Or how about loud pipes on a bike? They don't even enforce those laws, unless there is some other reason for probable cause. It's all much ado about nothing.

It's obvious you dont get it because you are a racist and dont know it.

Must be sad to be as dumb as you are.

Even jkisha is smart enough to understand what's wrong with Arizona.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun May 02, 2010 12:42 pm

Napolitano Criticizes Immigration Law

By ALICIA MUNDY

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MAY 2, 2010, 2:39 P.M. ET

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WASHINGTON — Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano on Sunday said Arizona's new immigration law was unnecessary because illegal immigration is decreasing in that state.

Ms. Napolitano, who was previously governor of Arizona, told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday that there have been "more boots on the ground" and more drug seizures over the past 15 months. "The border's more under control than ever before,"
she said.

"This is the kind of law I used to veto when I was governor," she said, because of its emphasis on putting the burden back on local law enforcement.

Ms. Napolitano sent a similar message during an appearance on ABC News's "This Week," saying the reduction in illegal immigrants in Arizona undermined the premise for enacting new legislation. But she added, "There's still a lot of frustration out there," which shows the need for a general immigration-law overhaul.

Arizona last month enacted a law that makes it a crime to be present in the state without legal immigration status, and authorizes police to question people suspected to be illegal immigrants about their status.

The law has become a lightning rod for immigration advocates, who rallied in cities across the country on Saturday, urging Congress to pass legislation overhauling immigration policy.

Democrats in Congress have just unveiled the outlines of a new immigration bill that would strengthen efforts at border security and also include a pathway to citizenship for many illegal immigrants now in the country. But no Republicans have signed on, and the measure's prospects remain cloudy.

Marco Rubio, a Republican who is running for the Senate in Florida, also criticized the Arizona law on CNN. He said Arizona's leaders saw the immigration problem "as a law enforcement emergency" and had acted on that basis, but added that he thought the law was too extreme.

According to a recent Gallup poll, more than three-quarters of Americans have heard about Arizona's new immigration law, and of these, 51% say they favor it and 39% oppose it. Even those who haven't heard or read much about the law said they favored it, 41% to 31%, Gallup said.

"Most Americans have heard about Arizona's tough new immigration law, and they generally support it," the polling agency wrote in a summary of its findings. The survey of more than 1,000 adults was conducted April 27-28 and had a margin of error of four percentage points.

Immigration was the focus of a couple of pointed jokes at the White House Correspondents' Association annual dinner on Saturday evening. President Barack Obama caused the 2,300-person crowd to gasp and then erupt in laughter when he noted that Sen. John McCain, the Arizona Republican, didn't make it to the event.

Sen. McCain, Mr. Obama said, claimed this year that "he had never identified himself as a maverick."

He paused. "We all know what happens in Arizona when you don't have ID... Adios, amigos."

Comedian Jay Leno, the evening's entertainer, said that going through security checkpoints into the dinner, "I got stuck behind the Arizona congressional delegation. Luckily all their papers were in order so it wasn't too much of a problem."

Former Arizona Republican Rep. J.D. Hayworth and Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D., Ill.) squared off over the Arizona immigration law on CBS's "Face the Nation" on Sunday.

"The law is discriminatory," said Mr. Gutierrez, who was arrested in front of the White House during a Saturday protest against the new Arizona bill. "What about all that garlic and grapes and onions we pick?" he asked. He added that immigrants, through jobs as nannies and daycare providers, are raising a lot of little children for Americans.

Mr. Hayworth, who is running for Senate against incumbent Sen. John McCain in the Arizona Republican primary, decried what he termed a "massive disinformation campaign" by opponents of the Arizona law, saying it wasn't racist.

To come to this country without authorization "is to break our law," he said.

Mr. Hayworth is trailing Mr. McCain in a Public Policy Polling survey by 11 points, 46% to 35%. However, he leads Mr. McCain, 46% to 38%, among Arizona conservatives who comprise two-thirds of the primary electorate, according to the poll.

Mr. Gutierrez quoted the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, as saying crime was down, making the argument that immigrants are behind many crimes "a red herring."

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yeah......... :roll: :roll:
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue May 04, 2010 9:22 am

Arizona Ethnic Studies Classes Banned, Teachers With Accents Can No Longer Teach English

First Posted: 04-30-10 12:38 PM | Updated: 04-30-10 01:45 PM

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Arizona's new immigration law is just about crime, its supporters say, but given that the state's new education policy equates ethnic studies programs with high treason, they may not be using the commonly accepted definition of "crime."

Under the ban, sent to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer by the state legislature Thursday, schools will lose state funding if they offer any courses that "promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, promote resentment of a particular race or class of people, are designed primarily for students of a particular ethnic group or advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals."

As ThinkProgress notes, the Tucson Unified School District's popular Mexican-American studies department is the target here. The state superintendent charges that the program exhibits "ethnic chauvinism."

Meanwhile, in a move that was more covert until the Wall Street Journal uncovered it, the Arizona Department of Education has told schools that teachers with "heavy" or "ungrammatical" accents are no longer allowed to teach English classes.

As outlined by the Journal, Arizona's recent pattern of discriminatory education policies is ironic -- and is likely a function of No Child Left Behind funding requirements -- given that the state spent a decade recruiting teachers for whom English was a second language.

In the 1990s, Arizona hired hundreds of teachers whose first language was Spanish as part of a broad bilingual-education program. Many were recruited from Latin America.

Then in 2000, voters passed a ballot measure stipulating that instruction be offered only in English. Bilingual teachers who had been instructing in Spanish switched to English.

Teachers who don't meet the new fluency standards have the option of taking classes to improve their English, the Journal reports, but if they fail to reach the state's targets would be fired or reassigned.
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Post by gyre » Tue May 04, 2010 12:54 pm

I can't help thinking that big maps on world news of oil valdezing the entire southern coast, are not what the oil industry would like to see.


I bet they're one group happy about the latest 'bombing'.

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Post by DVD Burner » Tue May 04, 2010 4:15 pm

Phoenix will 'honor our Latino community' with 'Los Suns' jerseys


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In a response to Arizona's controversial new illegal immigrant law, the Phoenix Suns will wear their "Los Suns" jerseys for Wednesday's Game 2 of the Western Conference semifinals against San Antonio, Suns owner Robert Sarver said.

Sarver said the jerseys, which will be worn on the Cinco de Mayo holiday, are meant "to honor our Latino community and the diversity of our league, the state of Arizona, and our nation."

In a statement, Sarver blamed the federal government's failure to deal with the issue of illegal immigration for the passing of Arizona's "flawed state law" and added that the law challenges "our basic principles of equal rights and protection under the law."

The law has become an issue in Major League Baseball, with calls for the league's 2011 All-Star game to be moved out of Phoenix in protest and a coalition of immigrant-rights groups in Arizona has called for protests and boycotts wherever the Diamondbacks play. The baseball players' union has also called for the law to be "repealed or modified promptly."

(The law, as it relates to Major League Baseball, is also a hot topic of discussion among Tribune Co. reporters and readers today.)

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue May 04, 2010 4:26 pm

Go all the way and call them Los Sols. ;)

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Post by DVD Burner » Tue May 04, 2010 8:57 pm

I say go even further and wear the jerseys all year long.
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Post by littleflower » Tue May 04, 2010 8:59 pm

i say, forget the jerseys and play in the nude.

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Post by Trishntek » Tue May 04, 2010 9:31 pm

littleflower wrote:i say, forget the jerseys and play in the nude.
Amen
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue May 04, 2010 10:37 pm

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looks like this administration is moving pretty fast to do something that may work.

after all, what did that last administration do?
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"On the day after Hurricane Katrina was declared to be not as bad as originally feared, it became clear that the effects of the storm had been, after all, beyond devastation," a New York Times Op-Ed announced August 31, 2005. "But this seems like the wrong moment to dwell on fault-finding, or even to point out that it took what may become the worst natural disaster in American history to pry President Bush out of his vacation."

"George Bush stayed on vacation. He didn't get back to work. When the worst natural disaster in our nation's history attacked us, George Bush STAYED ON VACATION. Why did the federal government stumble so badly on Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday? Because on Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday, George Bush stayed on vacation in Crawford, Texas. On Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday and Thursday and Friday, vice president Dick Cheney STAYED ON VACATION in Jackson, Wyoming. On Tuesday and Wednesday and Thursday, Sec. of State Condi Rice WENT ON VACATION in New York City and went to a splashy Broadway musical and bought obscenely expensive shoes. She went shopping," Michael Giltz of AMERICAblog wrote September 5, 2005.

"No need to explain why the President was golfing on Tuesday, playing guitar with country singers on a Tuesday while New Orleans died. Which would be fine if not for the inconvenient fact that the levees were breached on Monday, discovered on Monday, and confirmed on Monday. Monday was the day the levees broke," Izzy wrote September 3, 2005, in the blog Unbossed.

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Post by Trishntek » Wed May 05, 2010 11:11 am

We do feel comforted by the fact that the President's peers have job security.

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Post by DVD Burner » Wed May 05, 2010 11:11 am

BP Oil Spill, NYC Terror Plot: Limbaugh & Co. Go Nuts


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Remember during the George W. Bush administration when a former Clinton official appeared on "Hardball," stated that President Bush had allowed 9/11 to happen for political gain, and Chris Matthews nodded along in agreement? Of course, you don't. Because that never happened. But this week former (and disgraced) FEMA chief Michael Brown on Fox News Channel asserted that President Obama had permitted the BP oil leak to continue for days in order to justify reversing course on expanding offshore drilling to "pander to the environmentalists." And Fox host Neil Cavuto nodded.

Just when you though the conspiratorial wacky right couldn't become more detached from reality -- see Glenn Beck -- it has. With the oil spill and the New York City terror plot, prominent conservative pundits have jumped the rails. I often ignore the cranks and blowhards of the right. Life is too short -- and too real. But the past few days have served up too many examples of extreme conservative nuttiness. Sorry if that sounds uncivil. But there's no other way to describe it in polite company.

Michael "Heckuva Job" Brown was not the only clown on the oil spill conspiracy bus. Rush Limbaugh was at the front. On his radio show, he suggested that environmentalists might have created this disaster to sabotage pending legislation in the Senate that would allow for more offshore drilling and nuclear plants: "What better way to head off more drilling and nuclear plants then by blowing up a rig? I'm just, I'm just noting the timing here." Former Bush White House press secretary Dana Perino -- on Fox, of course -- declared, "I'm not trying to introduce a conspiracy theory, but was this deliberate? You have to wonder . . . if there was sabotage involved." (The explosion that created this spill occurred a mile beneath the surface of the Gulf of Mexico. How many wild enviros have their own underwater vehicles?) Eric Bolling, a host on the -- what else? -- Fox Business Network, hinted that the Obama White House "let this thing leak" so the administration could dump its proposal for expanding offshore drilling.


But I'm confused. Which is it? Did the Obama administration allow a catastrophe to proceed unchecked? Or did green meanies in a submarine (a yellow submarine?) pick one of the hardest wells to reach and blow it up to show people how environmentally dangerous an oil spill can be? Hey, maybe it's both. How ingenious of all those environmentalists, secret socialists, and covert Muslims. I bet they worked this out years ago during a meeting in Kenya.

Meanwhile, Limbaugh and other right-wingers also went cuckoo over the failed car-bombing in New York City. "I wonder if [the] SUV had an Obama sticker on it?" Limbaugh said. "Notice how quickly they got it out of Times Square before anybody could hop and maybe see an Obama 2012 bumper sticker on the damn car." Referring to suspect Faisal Shahzad, he added, "Of course, he's a Democrat. Who knows how many times he voted and where." Anything to tie the president to terrorists, right? And before Shahzad's arrest was announced, several conservative bloggers suggested the NYC plot was the work of leftists looking for a big May Day blast, with one writing, "So, we have the suspicious explosion of an oil rig in the gulf that happened the day before Lenin's birthday (Earth Day) and now we have an attempted attack on May Day, another day celebrated by left wing communists." What a busy week for the left: destroying the Gulf and attacking New York City.

Should we laugh or cry at all this nonsense? After all, who cares about a few no-name bloggers? But Limbaugh and Fox do have millions of followers -- even if most of them live in a bizarro alternative world. Does this toxic sludge, like an oil spill, spread, and then poison the national discourse?

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs seems to believe so. At Tuesday's daily briefing, he lit into Fox News correspondent Wendell Goler about the Michael Brown interview. When Goler asked the already-clichéd question -- is the spill "Obama's Katrina"? -- Gibbs noted it was essentially pointless to answer a Fox News query:

I'm not entirely sure that a factual answer that I might give to any one of your questions is going to change the notion that your network put out the former FEMA director to make an accusation that the well had been purposely set off in order to change an offshore drilling decision.

Gibbs also told Goler that he and Major Garrett, another Fox correspondent who covers the White House, ought to "get on a conference call and maybe do some work."

Gibbs was right to be ticked off. With both the oil spill and the failed Times Square attack, there are serious matters to ponder. What are the implications of the oil spill for future drilling plans? Did the Obama administration make a mistake in accepting BP's early statements that this leak was not so calamitous? Did the federal agency that oversees offshore drilling screw up? (Short answer: yes, big time.) How can we best protect the people and ecosystems in harm's way? As for the near-bombing, how could Shahzad get so close to committing such an attack? Why did he almost get away on that flight to Dubai? How can an open society prevent someone from stuffing an SUV with explosives and detonating it in the middle of one of the great cities of the world? This is all dead-serious stuff.

Yet Limbaugh, Brown and Co., when their country needs informed discussion, seem to be most concerned with setting new records in bogus political exploitation. They are not patriots. They are sound-bite scoundrels.

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Post by DVD Burner » Wed May 05, 2010 11:14 am

Trishntek wrote:We do feel comforted by the fact that the President's peers have job security.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/05/01/191 ... t-for.html

GOOD!

Bout time to ween off oil and get renewable energy going full speed and knock off the bullshit..
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It's amazing the lies American T.V. can get away with.

This is the real reason Pakistanis are upset with the U.S.:


Xe 'admits' presence in Pakistan

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Director of notorious American security firm Xe Services LLC, formerly known as Blackwater, has reportedly admitted that his firm is operating in Pakistan.

An investigative journalist working for the Democracy Now Foundation, Jeremy Scahill, says he has obtained an audio recording of a private speech delivered by Blackwater chief Erik Prince.

Prince can be heard talking about his firm's operations on Pakistani territory, according to the report by Scahill. On the tape, he also insults Afghans, Iraqis and Pakistanis who oppose the United States.

On the tape, the Blackwater chief goes on to describe them as barbarians who crawl out of the sewer, the report added. The speech also includes other details about Blackwater's previously undisclosed activities.

Democracy Now says Prince has attempted to keep the audio recording from the public.

Meanwhile, officials in Islamabad say the security contractor has no presence in Pakistan.




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Post by DVD Burner » Wed May 05, 2010 10:43 pm

I'm taking bets on whether or not the new "dome" they just made to stop the Gulf of Mexico oil leak will actually work. Any takers?
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Post by DVD Burner » Wed May 05, 2010 11:23 pm

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Dinero and everyone in this is makin all kinds of money off this dumb Arizona shit.

Cant wait for this one if it's real.


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Post by DVD Burner » Thu May 06, 2010 6:56 am

It always cracks me up when people have a hard time with what I post when it's so right and in your face, because they usually post something like this:
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I guess picturerail had issues with Figjams claiming what I post not being factual.

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It always cracks me up that you guys always get the off the wall way to do/think about things instead of going about things the right way.

My stuff always stays up/lasts for years if not forever.

What up wit dat? could it be I do/go about things the right way?

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Post by DVD Burner » Thu May 06, 2010 7:40 am

Actually ygmir I think it's pretty neat that you still have your MIT account.

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Post by ygmir » Thu May 06, 2010 8:05 am

now you're just teasin' me 'cause I have no college education.........

I wrote a diatribe, which, I then deleted.........


you add much to our board.

Certainly, evoke thought and emotion.

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