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Post by Trishntek » Tue May 04, 2010 9:41 pm

can't sit still wrote:I've had latinos here in L.A. demand that I learn Spanish. If I suggest that they learn English, they get quite pissed off. When I inform them that I DO speak Spanish, they still see no reason to learn English.
All of our latino drivers here have been caught stealing. Some repeatedly. Many have been fired. One driver had to pay $ 100,000 restitution to a store. He paid right from his bank account. He wasn't at all poor. The store managers all say that they lose a fair percentage out the back door. The receiver is always arrested too.
It's amazing that they continually ignore the surveillance cameras. They get fired regularly but, don't seem to catch on.
The owners of the Vallarta store in Palmdale had the cops come in and arrest the manager a couple of weeks ago. They do it very publicly to try to alert others that they are watching.

But now this begs the question, is this immigration related? Or are these observations more about cultural decay? It used to be immigrants wanted to fully integrate into the U.S. culture. Now it seems the failing culture they fled is perpetuated with purpose.
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Post by can't sit still » Wed May 05, 2010 8:09 am

I know that this is going to P.O. somebody. I spent 10 years driving around Mexico. I saw a truck loaded with goats crash. The passers by stole all the goats and didn't think twice about the injured driver and passenger. When a freight truck crashes, the locals feel that they are entitled to the damaged cargo. It is their due.
I've watched latinos in the auto parts store shove stuff in the clothes of their kids and then send them out under the turnstile.
There is a big difference between educated people who want to come to the U.S. to expose themselves to "white collar" opportunities and poor people who sneak in here to find low-paying work.
I have a friend from Toulouse who came here to be a cinematographer. She pays every penny of her taxes even though she could avoid a big part. She learned English and stays out of trouble.
Mexico's history of revolution was generally against wealthy landowners;
http://www.anthropology.ac.uk/Era_Resou ... _1810.html
I see an attitude of; "the rich owe it to us". This is true at ALL levels. The Mexican GOV has regularly expropriated land from private individuals to distribute to the landless. The attitude permeates society that the well-off must share. The redistribution of land is generally a disaster. Many of the poor are poor because they lack motivation and / or education.
The majority of Latinos that come here are just looking for an opportunity to do honest work,,, just like my friend from France. They still harbor the idea that the rich owe them something that they didn't work for.
If you recall the "Rodney King" riots, there is extensive video of people looting like it was a big party. When the big storm hit the Yucatan peninsula a few years ago, it was the same thing. Everybody was looting like it was a big party.
Contrast that with storms in Florida where people hunker down and try to help each other.
Immigrants who have no interest, other than financial, in their adopted country have little interest in supporting integrity of society. Immigrants who desire to make their adopted country their HOME, are far more willing to support the structure of their adopted home. Since so many latinos have close proximity to their country of origin, they are far less likely to mentally leave-behind their country of birth.

You've probably heard about the incident at Montebello high;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montebello ... g_incident
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/mexicoflag.asp
if Montebello wasn't involved why didn't they call the cops?
The snopes account sounds pretty pathetic. Supposedly the Montebello students did not participate. By placing the Mexican flag above the upside-down American flag, they showed that Mexico was the country that they associated with. This isn't any different than the problem in GOV of having dual-citizenship israelis dictating American policy.
It's a question of divided loyalties.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed May 05, 2010 10:08 am

Los meztizos están destruyendo el mundo.

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Post by Trishntek » Wed May 05, 2010 10:25 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:Los meztizos están destruyendo el mundo.
no habla
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Post by can't sit still » Wed May 05, 2010 11:12 am

"The mixed bloods are destroying the world."
It doesn't matter if you're talking about mixed bloods, whiteys, blacks or whatever.
Is a group or person producing more than they are consuming? That is a big part of all our problems. Look at pension benefits. Someone has to produce a hell of a lot to pay them. Are immigrants, legal or otherwise a net gain or a net loss for society and the economy. Much of a person's or a groups contribution can't be defined in monetary terms. It's difficult to assign value to social credits and debits.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed May 05, 2010 1:34 pm

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Post by can't sit still » Wed May 05, 2010 3:54 pm

That movie has a lot of big names in it.
The Latinos in general and the Mexicans in particular have always been considered a "convenient" work force. Throw them out when you don't need them.
This happened in the 30s;
http://clubs.asua.arizona.edu/~mecha/pa ... logy.htmlI It happened after WW II when the GIs came home,,, called "Operation Wetback"
There are a lot of legitimate complaints;
http://theunapologeticmexican.org/elmac ... r-america/
The fact that Mexico is a relatively poor country coupled with their refusal to try to control their birthrate means that they will always be at a disadvantage.
GOV nationalized the oil industry. GOV siphoned off all the money from PEMEX, the national oil company. Mexico has just run out of oil. They have huge proven reserves in the golf. PEMEX has no money to bring these reserves to production.
Things are going to get a lot worse south of the border.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed May 05, 2010 4:05 pm

CSS, you're confusing the Repatriation of the 1930's with Operation Wetback which was in the 1950's. Or maybe you know that, but it's not clear.

In the 1930's many American citizens of Latino heritage (with some estimates as high as 60% of the total deportees) were sent to Mexico. These families may date back to before California became a state.

Have you noticed how many street signs in California are in Spanish!? They've even changed the names of our cities!! :lol:

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Post by can't sit still » Wed May 05, 2010 4:28 pm

Dougly, I'm well aware that they were 2 separate actions. I just neglect to state it clearly. Sorry. I had earlier posted a link to "Operation Wetback".
The Latinos claim that they are being exploited,,, which is true. They are being exploited for 10---15 times the wages that they would receive in their home country.
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Post by Trishntek » Wed May 05, 2010 4:31 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:CSS, you're confusing the Repatriation of the 1930's with Operation Wetback which was in the 1950's. Or maybe you know that, but it's not clear.

In the 1930's many American citizens of Latino heritage (with some estimates as high as 60% of the total deportees) were sent to Mexico. These families may date back to before California became a state.

Have you noticed how many street signs in California are in Spanish!? They've even changed the names of our cities!! :lol:
I'm sorry Dougly, I'm not understanding your hangup about the names of cities and streets. Hell I live in Ventura, i.e. the City of San Buenaventura. We fully understand that historically this was part of Mexico when it was part of Spain. But what does that have to do with immigration and cultural decay?

Where I grew up in Wyoming, everything is named after, dare I say, "Indians", pioneers and explorers. That does not mean everyone lives in Teepees, rides a horse and traps beavers. And they certainly do not speak Arapaho, Shoshone or Sioux.
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Post by can't sit still » Wed May 05, 2010 5:16 pm

I found it somewhat strange that the octagonal red traffic signs in Spain read "STOP" while the same signs in Mexico read "ALTO"
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu May 06, 2010 9:46 am

Cinco de Mayo isn't even a holiday in Mexico.
Today is International Day of WTF? :)

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Post by Thecatman » Thu May 06, 2010 8:32 pm

This country has made cinco de mayo aholiday

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Post by Trishntek » Thu May 06, 2010 8:47 pm

Thecatman wrote:This country has made cinco de mayo aholiday
I'm thinkin' Jose Cuervo probably had sumpin' to do with it.
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Post by gaminwench » Thu May 06, 2010 8:59 pm

it's an alcoholiday...

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri May 07, 2010 10:15 am

En America, las corporaciones hacen las reglas.

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Post by Thecatman » Fri May 07, 2010 1:44 pm

can't sit still wrote:I've watched latinos in the auto parts store shove stuff in the clothes of their kids and then send them out under the turnstile.
The same happens here at Walmart, and I'm sure everywhere else, but based on the name of the parents, it sounds like they're like regular Americans

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sat May 08, 2010 11:19 am

FUCK YOU, GRINGOS!


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Post by DVD Burner » Sat May 08, 2010 4:55 pm

scenario for you guys.

suppose someone like these guys:

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That are driving drunk and are pulled over and do not have their license.

Of course they are going to be arrested and be sent to jail.

yet they can not produce their birth certificate.

Do you think they should be sent to "where they came from"?

Do you think it is racist if so has been done?

Just askin.

What say you?

P.S. yes I have chosen these folk for a reason.

Lets see who has the balls to get this wrong and acknowledge it.

bet know one has the balls to admit anything even if they are wrong for fear of being called on it and being proven to be wrong.

Even if they are true to their convictions, they wont own up to what is right "I bet cha".

I know this to be true because I have a room mate that is the same way. I deal with him every day and it is still all cool. He knows I wont beat the shit out of him because he knows I am one that can win him over with the facts.

Anyone here up to the challenge?

I'd really be surprised.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sat May 08, 2010 5:47 pm

Thing about this all is, I know no one here is gonna say anything about this because they know I am right about not saying anything about what I say.

There are those that are spineless that have not the guts to say what is going on in Arizona is "RACIST" and just out and out "WRONG" and that there are all kinds of people that are totally cool in BM that do not judge people by the color of their skin or accent.

Cool people are cool people and as an "Original BURNER", this is what was the way it was FROM THE BEGINNING!

Yes, that's right......it was very cool back in the day when we all were about love no matter what.............

This thread is a good one because it puts BM on the edge AND ON THE SPOT of what is what the real deal is.

Is BM communal or is it a separatist?

That's the real question about this thread.

I love the intentions of CSS.

Lets get this out in the open FOR REAL and get it over with.


There is a thread .....if there are those of you that can handle reality.....and are willing to look it up............not the kind of the default world tho......

..........that is titled, "why is BM so white?".


Look it up and bump it up to the top.

It's a very funny thread and you will see the stars of eplay in/on it.

BM is a way of life. Where it is going is another story, but when I was at it's birth, well that is another story....where it is going now??????

Who knows.

I love BM and the inner circle.........But it is soooo big now.......I have no idea what the deal is.....and then again............. :?

So far from it's roots I tell ya!


I just dont know.

fill me in or not. :cry: :?
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Post by DVD Burner » Sat May 08, 2010 6:01 pm

Damit, totally forgot about Rupaul.

we have no idea what Rupaul is:

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Post by ygmir » Sat May 08, 2010 6:23 pm

gaminwench wrote:it's an alcoholiday...
that's one of the things I love about "us"........we can make a drinking holiday out of anything, or, from anyone........
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Post by DVD Burner » Sat May 08, 2010 6:56 pm

ygmir wrote:
gaminwench wrote:it's an alcoholiday...
that's one of the things I love about "us"........we can make a drinking holiday out of anything, or, from anyone........
The BM way?

Cheers anyway.
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Post by Kinetik V » Sat May 08, 2010 7:46 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Damit, totally forgot about Rupaul.

we have no idea what Rupaul is:

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Post by Trishntek » Sat May 08, 2010 8:15 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Thing about this all is, I know no one here is gonna say anything about this because they know I am right about not saying anything about what I say.

There are those that are spineless that have not the guts to say what is going on in Arizona is "RACIST" and just out and out "WRONG" and that there are all kinds of people that are totally cool in BM that do not judge people by the color of their skin or accent.

Cool people are cool people and as an "Original BURNER", this is what was the way it was FROM THE BEGINNING!

Yes, that's right......it was very cool back in the day when we all were about love no matter what.............

This thread is a good one because it puts BM on the edge AND ON THE SPOT of what is what the real deal is.

Is BM communal or is it a separatist?

That's the real question about this thread.

I love the intentions of CSS.

Lets get this out in the open FOR REAL and get it over with.


There is a thread .....if there are those of you that can handle reality.....and are willing to look it up............not the kind of the default world tho......

..........that is titled, "why is BM so white?".


Look it up and bump it up to the top.

It's a very funny thread and you will see the stars of eplay in/on it.

BM is a way of life. Where it is going is another story, but when I was at it's birth, well that is another story....where it is going now??????

Who knows.

I love BM and the inner circle.........But it is soooo big now.......I have no idea what the deal is.....and then again............. :?

So far from it's roots I tell ya!


I just dont know.

fill me in or not. :cry: :?
again,,, it's like reading Catcher in the Rye is it not?
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Post by ygmir » Sat May 08, 2010 9:29 pm

I've not read "Catcher in the Rye"............
but, I'd chase her about anywhere, so, where I catch her matters not.........to me...........

rumor has it, that, some of the most prolific posters on eplaya, have never been, or, only long, long ago............once.
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Post by Trishntek » Sat May 08, 2010 10:30 pm

J.D. Salinger just died not long ago. He authored the book back in the late 1940's. It is basically the rantings of a lunatic as he takes the reader on a ride through what he believes is his reality.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sat May 08, 2010 10:51 pm

im with dvd one hundred percent on this one.
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Post by Trishntek » Sat May 08, 2010 11:44 pm

Like everything else in society, the boundaries are constantly expanding. BM could be considered "elitist" by some. Perverted by others. Whatever it is now is due to the growing hunger for cultural experiments. But what does "white" have to do with it?

CSS, me and few others have simply stated facts on the ground. It is unfortunate to identify a group of people along racial/nativity/nationality lines. But it is indeed the subject of this thread and nigh impossible to disregard the "things" which identify the commonality of a group of people. I guess we could say they were mostly catholic. But that alone does not define the issue.

The basic analysis is one group of people is different than another group of people. One group has what the other wants. The first group does not like what the other group has to offer. Rules are made; lines are drawn; rules are broken; lines are crossed.

Now please get beyond the purported racial bullshit and address the subject at hand.
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