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Post by DVD Burner » Thu May 06, 2010 8:14 am

ygmir wrote:now you're just teasin' me 'cause I have no college education.........

I wrote a diatribe, which, I then deleted.........


you add much to our board.

Certainly, evoke thought and emotion.

and, I appreciate you as a human.
Same to you.

I know I upset people most times when I post but I try to think hard before doing it.

I think it's important to at least, when I see there are folk that really dont understand something, get them to understand in ways they will remember forever if I can help it.

As far as politics goes, hey, politics and religion is for suckers.

All that's happening in the world these days is just bullshit to keep the masses happy and distracted so others can keep the fucked up shit going.

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Post by DVD Burner » Fri May 07, 2010 11:38 am

BP, Halliburton, Transocean Told to Keep Rig Evidence (Update1)


May 06, 2010, 4:54 PM EDT

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(Updates with share prices in final paragraph. For more on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, see {EXT4 <GO>}.)

By Justin Blum and Jim Polson

May 6 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Justice Department asked BP Plc, Halliburton Co. and Transocean Ltd. to preserve evidence from an April 20 oil-rig explosion and fire in the Gulf of Mexico, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The requests were made in letters to the three companies, according to the person, who wasn’t authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. Transocean, based in Geneva, said yesterday in a filing that it had received a request from the Justice Department.

Oil began leaking from a BP-owned well after Transocean’s Deepwater Horizon rig exploded and sank, resulting in the death of 11 crew members. The well is about 5,000 feet (1,524 meters) below the ocean’s surface. BP stopped one of three leaks at the site and may lower a steel containment structure over the largest leak today to help stanch the flow of oil.

“It’s the normal procedure for a company in a crisis response to keep documentation,â€
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Post by DVD Burner » Fri May 07, 2010 12:18 pm

Just a heads up on how this all will work: http://www.truthout.org/slick-operator- ... -well59178
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri May 07, 2010 12:35 pm

When they said "All is well", they really mean that they think of the whole world as an oil well. :D

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Post by DVD Burner » Fri May 07, 2010 2:19 pm

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Post by Trishntek » Fri May 07, 2010 3:49 pm

Yup those bad old oil companies are just trying to keep up with Mother Earth.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/bya6g7r7ceebanrl/

Just to remind everyone, Gubmint makes more money on oil than the companies do, but when it comes to the heavy lifting, the providers become the villians.
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Post by DVD Burner » Fri May 07, 2010 4:15 pm

Trishntek wrote:Yup those bad old oil companies are just trying to keep up with Mother Earth.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/bya6g7r7ceebanrl/

Just to remind everyone, Gubmint makes more money on oil than the companies do, but when it comes to the heavy lifting, the providers become the villians.

So I guess you see no difference between a natural occurrence and a man made disaster.

Dude you are proving to be one piece of work. By far not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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Post by Trishntek » Fri May 07, 2010 4:18 pm

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Trishntek wrote:Yup those bad old oil companies are just trying to keep up with Mother Earth.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/bya6g7r7ceebanrl/

Just to remind everyone, Gubmint makes more money on oil than the companies do, but when it comes to the heavy lifting, the providers become the villians.

So I guess you see no difference between a natural occurrence and a man made disaster.

Dude you are proving to be one piece of work. By far not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Well when the whole world is flawless you alone can take your bow!

PS: I get a chuckle out of the notion that man evolved from animals, but somehow mankind is not considered a part of nature. Now that is hypocritical on a grand scale!
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Post by gyre » Fri May 07, 2010 5:22 pm

Just a reminder that while man is part of nature, we are hardly essential.
More the novelty.

While life seems inevitable through the universe, sentience as a natural event is questionable.

Is it worse if the abyss doesn't stare back?

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Post by DVD Burner » Fri May 07, 2010 10:01 pm

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Post by DVD Burner » Fri May 07, 2010 11:54 pm

And exactly what do either of those have to do with Arizona's new law?

I'll save you the trouble.......

Not a fucking thing!


Looking dumber each and every time you post.

It's a fact dood.

What does that have to do with anything in politics?
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Post by DVD Burner » Fri May 07, 2010 11:57 pm

doesn't even have anything to do with racism.

oh wait....it actually does.

It shows you are making a race issue of it. Or even the fact that you are a racist.

Some black people with guns shooting and the such right?

Bet you cant even come up with the logic of your asinine post.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sat May 08, 2010 12:53 am

Anyhoo, since we are on the topic of racism just wanna post this last one of the evening: http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/ID=1488069629


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Post by DVD Burner » Sat May 08, 2010 10:47 am

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hey fig, I forgot about this.

This will work for you and anyone else that needs to edit pics online.

Adobe put out the free Photoshop online for cell phones earlier this year.

it's pretty cool: http://www.photoshop.com/
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Post by DVD Burner » Sat May 08, 2010 12:41 pm

Gates seeks big cuts in military spending


The Defense secretary invokes Dwight Eisenhower as he calls for spending reductions in military healthcare and the command structure. He wants to cut $10 billion to $15 billion from a $547-billion Pentagon base budget.


By Julian E. Barnes, Tribune Washington Bureau

May 8, 2010 | 11:40 a.m.


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Defense secretary targets expenditures on armed forces healthcare and departmental overhead as part of an effort to tame runaway Pentagon spending.

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said Saturday that he wants to sharply cut the military bureaucracy and rein in expenditures on armed forces healthcare and departmental overhead as part of an effort to tame runaway Pentagon spending.


Speaking at the Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library, Gates presented a roadmap for what might be his last months in office and his final major Pentagon reform push. Gates said his priority is to flatten a hierarchical military command structure and eliminate military offices and agencies that have little direct role in fighting the nation's wars.

Outlining the case for sharp cuts in the number of admirals and generals, Gates repeatedly invoked former President Eisenhower's admonishment to spend what it takes to defend America's interests, "and not one penny more."

"The private sector has flattened and streamlined the middle and upper echelons of its organization charts, yet the Defense Department continues to maintain a top-heavy hierarchy that more reflects 20th century headquarters superstructure than 21st century realities," Gates said.

Gates is seeking between $10 billion and $15 billion in savings from the $547-billion Pentagon base budget. Such a cut, Gates said, would allow the Pentagon to fund military modernization but still keep spending levels under control.

In a roundtable with reporters before the speech, Gates also said pressure on the Pentagon budget from the economic downturn and a desire to trim deficits would lead the government to be more selective in future overseas military operations.

"I think the Congress and the president will look hard at another military operation that would cost us $100 billion a year," Gates said.

Gates said if a real threat emerged, the government would "spend what it takes" to protect America. But he hedged about whether Iran posed such a danger.

"I don't know," he said. "I think it depends on developments over the next year or two."

Gates said he is ordering the military services and other major commands to take "a hard, unsparing look" at how they operate and to come up with proposals for sharp cuts.

"It is not a great mystery what needs to change," Gates said. "What it takes is the political will and willingness, as Eisenhower possessed, to make hard choices – choices that will displease powerful people both inside the Pentagon and out."

The choice of the Eisenhower Library for his remarks was not accidental. Saturday was the 65th anniversary of V-E Day. And as president, Eisenhower oversaw extensive shifts in military spending, pushing for cuts to offset new spending. As he was leaving office, Eisenhower issued his now-famous warning about the national clout of the "military-industrial complex."

"When it came to defense matters, under Eisenhower real choices were made, priorities set and limits enforced," Gates said in his speech.

But Gates said that he is hardly the first Defense secretary to try to trim the bureaucracy or curb runaway health costs. He even admiringly cited the efforts of his predecessor, Donald H. Rumsfeld, a Pentagon leader Gates has never sought to emulate.

After the Sept. 11 attacks, Gates noted a "gusher" of defense spending nearly doubled the budget — not counting spending on Iraq and Afghanistan. But that era is over.

"The gusher has been turned off, and will stay off for a good period of time," Gates said.

Gates said he hoped to find savings in the 2010-2011 budget now being debated by Congress. But the bulk of his proposed cuts likely would come in the next budget, for 2011-2012, which will be written beginning this summer and unveiled publicly in February.

Gates may not be around when Congress begins debating that spending plan. Originally appointed by former President George W. Bush, Gates was kept on by President Obama. Last year, he committed to remain in office through the end of 2010. Some defense officials have said they expect him to leave at the end of the year.

But some aides insist they do not know how long Gates will stay. And in the roundtable before the speech, Gates sounded like he was in no hurry to leave, instead appearing invigorated by the prospect of finding a way to both cut wasteful spending and reshape the Pentagon into a more efficient organization.

And despite the failures of many of his predecessors to tame military spending, Gates said he was confident he would push through his reforms.

"When I devote a lot of my time to it, these things tend to get done," Gates said.

Gates has a track record of following through on his policy speeches. Over 3 1/2 years, Gates has revamped military planning and eliminated weapons programs. By his own count, Gates has cut 30 different weapons programs that stood to have cost taxpayers $330 billion.

Although individual services could resist a push to downgrade some positions to lower ranks, many of the trims under consideration by Gates and his advisors would not likely face strong opposition in either the Pentagon or Congress.

Gates did not offer details on military agencies he would seek to combine, or billets he favors downgrading, but said military services and combat commands are already beginning to look for savings.

Perhaps the toughest cuts will be those made to the military healthcare system. Gates said care for soldiers and veterans wounded in Iraq or Afghanistan would not be cut.

Past Pentagon attempts to curb health costs, by raising premiums or co-pays, have been rejected by Congress.

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Post by Trishntek » Sat May 08, 2010 8:22 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Anyhoo, since we are on the topic of racism just wanna post this last one of the evening: http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/ID=1488069629


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Post by knowmad » Sun May 09, 2010 10:16 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Gates seeks big cuts in military spending ....
Perhaps the toughest cuts will be those made to the military healthcare system. Gates said care for soldiers and veterans wounded in Iraq or Afghanistan would not be cut.

Past Pentagon attempts to curb health costs, by raising premiums or co-pays, have been rejected by Congress.

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun May 09, 2010 10:57 pm

OOOOOOO KAAAAAAAAAAAAY YYYYYYYY!

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Mon May 10, 2010 3:29 pm

Butter bar? O-2 is as far as he got?
I guess I qualify to be Emperor of San Francisco then!

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Post by gyre » Tue May 11, 2010 12:55 am

Not much data there.
But the criticism posted is weaker than the original methodology.

Doesn't seem he's working with much information.

We do know some highly criminally active gang memebers have been deliberaltely seeded in the usa, many as sleepers.
They would be a minority, but of extraordinary risk, like russian gangs.
Mexican gangs, or paramilitary army members (which they effectively are at this point) usually hide all planned murders they don't want known.
Traditionally murders are commmited with the body sectioned into parts, even when left on display.
We don't know whether such patterns will change by location or be changed on purpose.
Secret murders are notoriously difficult to collect data on, including the existing but ignored pattern in the usa now.
Homicide rates in all us cities are many times higher than the official "murder rate"'.
This is easily documented.

I would think that most deaths caused by illegals occur in traffic accidents.
Lack of incarceration is no great shock.

I'm not sure the number is absurd, but I see no adequate information one way or the other now.
Seems high, but not impossible.
Info is needed.

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Post by DVD Burner » Tue May 11, 2010 9:50 am

Uuummmm, gyre, you must be kidding.

They give you 10 statistics from several different companies.

As far as the " Hidden Murderers" Just a tad of paranoia dont you think?
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue May 11, 2010 10:16 am

U.N. experts join criticism of Arizona immigration law

(Reuters) - United Nations human rights experts added their voices to criticism of a new immigration law in Arizona, saying it may lead to police targeting people on the basis of ethnic origin, a violation of international law.

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In a joint statement, five independent U.N. experts expressed concern that Hispanics could be subject to discriminatory treatment in the border state.

"The law may lead to detaining and subjecting to interrogation persons primarily on the basis of their perceived ethnic characteristics," they said.

"In Arizona, persons who appear to be of Mexican, Latin American or indigenous origin are especially at risk of being targeted under the law."

The U.N. experts decried a "disturbing pattern of legislative activity hostile to ethnic minorities and immigrants" in Arizona, which passed the United States' toughest immigration law last month.

The Arizona law requires police to determine if people are in the country illegally, previously a function carried out by U.S. federal immigration police and some local forces.

Critics of the law argue it is unconstitutional and a mandate for racial profiling, and fear it will destroy trust between Hispanic communities and law enforcement in Arizona.

Supporters say the law is needed to curb crime in the state, home to 460,000 illegal immigrants and a major corridor for drug and migrant smugglers from Mexico.

The U.N. experts voiced concern at the "vague standards and sweeping language" of Arizona's law, saying it raised "serious doubts about the law's compatibility with relevant international human rights treaties to which the United States is a party."

"States are required to respect and ensure the human rights of all persons subject to their jurisdiction, without discrimination," they said.

They urged authorities in Arizona and the federal government to "take all measures necessary to ensure that the immigration law is in line with international human rights standards."

They cited the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD), a 1966 treaty ratified by the United States under the Clinton administration.

President Barack Obama said last week he wanted to begin work on immigration reform this year and that U.S. officials would monitor the Arizona law for civil rights implications.

The U.N. experts report to the U.N. Human Rights Council, a Geneva forum whose 47 members include the United States. Their mandates cover human rights of migrants, indigenous people, minorities, contemporary forms of racism and cultural rights.

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Post by gyre » Tue May 11, 2010 10:27 am

Not sure what you're referring to.
If it's homicide, I have verified this.
The rate always seemed absurdly low for a large city to me, and the solution rates defy credulity.
The discovery of serial killers with more realistic numbers for rural areas (in S America and India) helps to verify the long held beliefs about secrecy and isolation.

In forensics, it works like shark victims.
If you are eaten by a shark and they don't find your body, you drowned or disappeared.
Better for tourism.
Same for homicide.
If they don't discover a cause of death, you aren't a homicide.

I am in a city surrounded by rural land and the most massive river in the world.
Not that hard.

I have a friend in the coroner's office.
He has verified my belief.

And I had a friend who found a dead person sitting in a car at a light at 3 am.
He thought the guy fell asleep, went to wake him up and...dead.
When he called the cops at home and they went back, the car was still there, running...empty.
He thought he was in trouble, but the cops weren't even surprised.
For months they called him in to identify bodies discovered that matched the date of his body.
Bear in mind that they only called him for the newly discovered bodies of the same age, and it happened often.
So there were many more routinely found that didn't match.
And they had to match general desription and gender to call him in.
So a fairly large number of remains are found here on a regular basis.
Some natural causes, overdoses etc.
Many unknown causes.

When we were out painting over gang graffiti, we found remains on a wall.
We reported it, but no body has been found.

When my friend had people rush in and beat their house guest to death with a baseball bat, they started to leave him and then took him with them.
When the police showed up at their other location, they were still torturing him.
The felt confident no one would call the police.
The were sure they had time to dispose of the body.
They had probably done this before.
Police response is usually lackadaisical.
They had good reason to relax.
But this time they were caught in the act.
One of the people already had a homicide conviction.
Last I heard, weak or no penalties for what was called death by torture.

It isn't like the CSI fantasy.

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Post by DVD Burner » Tue May 11, 2010 10:53 am

gyre wrote:Not sure what you're referring to.
If it's homicide, I have verified this.
The rate always seemed absurdly low for a large city to me, and the solution rates defy credulity.
The discovery of serial killers with more realistic numbers for rural areas (in S America and India) helps to verify the long held beliefs about secrecy and isolation.

In forensics, it works like shark victims.
If you are eaten by a shark and they don't find your body, you drowned or disappeared.
Better for tourism.
Same for homicide.
If they don't discover a cause of death, you aren't a homicide.

I am in a city surrounded by rural land and the most massive river in the world.
Not that hard.

I have a friend in the coroner's office.
He has verified my belief.

And I had a friend who found a dead person sitting in a car at a light at 3 am.
He thought the guy fell asleep, went to wake him up and...dead.
When he called the cops at home and they went back, the car was still there, running...empty.
He thought he was in trouble, but the cops weren't even surprised.
For months they called him in to identify bodies discovered that matched the date of his body.
Bear in mind that they only called him for the newly discovered bodies of the same age, and it happened often.
So there were many more routinely found that didn't match.
And they had to match general desription and gender to call him in.
So a fairly large number of remains are found here on a regular basis.
Some natural causes, overdoses etc.
Many unknown causes.

When we were out painting over gang graffiti, we found remains on a wall.
We reported it, but no body has been found.

When my friend had people rush in and beat their house guest to death with a baseball bat, they started to leave him and then took him with them.
When the police showed up at their other location, they were still torturing him.
The felt confident no one would call the police.
The were sure they had time to dispose of the body.
They had probably done this before.
Police response is usually lackadaisical.
They had good reason to relax.
But this time they were caught in the act.
One of the people already had a homicide conviction.
Last I heard, weak or no penalties for what was called death by torture.

It isn't like the CSI fantasy.
"Heard", "If it's homicide, I have verified this.", can you at least post some links? the more I re-read this......... :shock:


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Post by gyre » Tue May 11, 2010 11:42 am

I researched this off the record.
Talk to someone in forensics.
Look at the official figures and weigh them against our population.
See if it adds up to you.
The official stats and info on serial killers is easily found on the interweb.
Consider how easily and how many people on the fringes disappear every year.
No one is even looking for them.

I don't know how much research is being done in this area, but it is mostly long after the fact.
Some recent anthropology has raised the estimated rate of infanticide by a factor of ten, the most easily hidden type of death.
A recent burial site changes the rate to 1500 a year in Philadelphia in "the good old days" when birth control was illegal.

It is known that the current rate has risen drastically as terrorism has limited abortion choices successfully.
We have the highest recorded rate in the country here already, though Florida is thought to be worse.

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Post by gyre » Tue May 11, 2010 12:39 pm

I'm unable to pull up the story of the "Death by Torture" murder.
It was Philip Godman in October 2006.
Perhaps it says a lot about the city that headlines like that fade away.
There have been no stories of trials either.
It says something about journalism.

I suggested the story about the real murder rate here to the city desk.
But they barely function now, so few people.
It isn't hard to discover stories they miss.
I've done it before.


While searching, I found this story, famous now.
Started as a robbery.
They handed over their money.
Ended with kidnapping, rape and torture.
Then they went after the wife.
This is the kind of event that typically ends with a secret burial.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... he-region/
http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S= ... av=menu7_2
Motivation to conceal a crime?

In this code enforcement case, truck found, no body ever.
Convicted using civil rights dirty tricks.
Double jeopardy.
As abusive a case as you'll find.
First deal obtained by pressure with no evidence.
That was used for the second conviction.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... ahoo_feeds
I don't think he's dead.
The city doesn't either.
I think he took off for another country to avoid prosecution for bribes and graft as a code enforcement officer.
The chosen profession for sociopaths.

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