well... Dougly, seeing how it's SanFran, and Emperor, one really doesn't need quals, or endorsements. but I'd go for it. and Rots of Ruk.Ugly Dougly wrote:Butter bar? O-2 is as far as he got?
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Obama to sever ties between drilling cops and Big Oil
Christian Science Monitor - Patrik Jonsson - ‎37 minutes ago‎
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0511/ ... nd-Big-Oil
As oil continues to spew into the Gulf of Mexico, the Obama administration moves to break up the agency tasked with both collecting royalties and policing Big Oil.
Atlanta
Working hard to contain the political as well as the ecological damage of the Deepwater Horizon spill, the Obama administration on Tuesday vowed to shake up the Interior Department agency responsible for policing Big Oil's deepwater drilling operations along America's continental shelf.
As a number of Congressional probes into the April 20 Deepwater Horizon accident in the Gulf of Mexico got underway Tuesday, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar announced a proposal to split the Minerals Management Service (MMS) in half, separating its policing function from its royalty-collection arm. Critics say there's always been a conflict of interest in having the same agency that collects $13 billion in royalties a year be responsible for inspecting rigs, enforcing safety rules, and probing skullduggery.
"I think what is driving a lot of moves toward tighter regulations is our trust has been violated, and when trust is breached or lost, it's hard to get it back," says Duane Gill, an oil spill disaster expert at Oklahoma State University.
Three global corporations – BP, the explorer; Transocean, the driller; and Halliburton, the concrete contractor – have begun pointing fingers at each other as lawsuits pile up and congressional investigations into the cause of the Deepwater Horizon accident get underway.
What is known is that a methane bubble burst up through the 23,000-foot pipe, creating a geyser of gas that spread across the rig and finally ignited. Hydraulic shears inside a five-story-tall blowout preventer where the drill pipe exits the earth's crust are supposed to sever and plug the pipe in the case of a blowout. They didn't.
Eleven people lost their lives in the explosion, and the crumpled "riser" pipe a mile from the Gulf's surface is now spewing at least 5,000 barrels a day of oil into the Gulf, with a total of at least 4 million gallons already escaped.
But while BP is bearing the brunt of blame, MMS, which is populated largely by former industry executives, has been criticized for failing to react to studies that showed problems with the blow-out preventers, refusing to mandate back-up systems, and downplaying the extent of other accidents in the Gulf. At issue in Tuesday's US Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee hearing is safety testing of the shear. One former regulator testified that MMS needs more data on shear ram performance, but insisted all such rams were tested and certified every two weeks.
"Why is it that the testing always seems to pass and yet when it was needed it failed?" Sen. Robert Menendez (D) of New Jersey asked.
A long-term investigation led by Rep. Darrell Issa (R) of California into MMS has uncovered abuses dating back to the Clinton administration and which continued through the Bush and Obama White Houses. And Sen. Ben Nelson raised eyebrows this week when he brought up a series of 2008 revelations about sex and "pot parties" among MMS regulators and industry executives. Moreover, MMS collects $13 billion in lease royalties a year while amassing an increasingly spotty record on policing Big Oil on safety issues.
"While there are many outstanding questions surrounding what went wrong and what should have been done to avoid this disaster," Mr. Issa said Tuesday, "what we know for sure is that MMS is in need of a surgical overhaul and that a quick-fix, band-aid approach is wholly inadequate and will only serve to preserve a broken bureaucracy at the expense of the American people and their safety."
The Obama administration has fought back against comparisons of the Deepwater Horizon response to the hurricane Katrina disaster, where complacency that spanned local, state, and federal agencies combined to take a heavy human and political toll. But while Rep. Ed Markey (D) of Massachusetts on Tuesday pointed at lax regulation by the Bush administration, which had heavy ties to oil, it's also true that President Obama is the largest recipient of political donations from BP-associated PACs over the past 20 years.
And though the Obama administration has halted all new exploratory drilling in the Gulf, MMS has approved 26 environmental review exemptions for proposed drilling sites since the April 20 accident.
As part of the Obama administration's response to the Deepwater Horizon accident, Salazar said Tuesday he will seek an additional $29 million from Congress for stepped-up rig inspections and enforcement,
“The tragedy aboard the Deepwater Horizon and the massive spill for which BP is responsible has made the importance and urgency of our reform agenda even clearer,â€
Christian Science Monitor - Patrik Jonsson - ‎37 minutes ago‎
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0511/ ... nd-Big-Oil
As oil continues to spew into the Gulf of Mexico, the Obama administration moves to break up the agency tasked with both collecting royalties and policing Big Oil.
Atlanta
Working hard to contain the political as well as the ecological damage of the Deepwater Horizon spill, the Obama administration on Tuesday vowed to shake up the Interior Department agency responsible for policing Big Oil's deepwater drilling operations along America's continental shelf.
As a number of Congressional probes into the April 20 Deepwater Horizon accident in the Gulf of Mexico got underway Tuesday, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar announced a proposal to split the Minerals Management Service (MMS) in half, separating its policing function from its royalty-collection arm. Critics say there's always been a conflict of interest in having the same agency that collects $13 billion in royalties a year be responsible for inspecting rigs, enforcing safety rules, and probing skullduggery.
"I think what is driving a lot of moves toward tighter regulations is our trust has been violated, and when trust is breached or lost, it's hard to get it back," says Duane Gill, an oil spill disaster expert at Oklahoma State University.
Three global corporations – BP, the explorer; Transocean, the driller; and Halliburton, the concrete contractor – have begun pointing fingers at each other as lawsuits pile up and congressional investigations into the cause of the Deepwater Horizon accident get underway.
What is known is that a methane bubble burst up through the 23,000-foot pipe, creating a geyser of gas that spread across the rig and finally ignited. Hydraulic shears inside a five-story-tall blowout preventer where the drill pipe exits the earth's crust are supposed to sever and plug the pipe in the case of a blowout. They didn't.
Eleven people lost their lives in the explosion, and the crumpled "riser" pipe a mile from the Gulf's surface is now spewing at least 5,000 barrels a day of oil into the Gulf, with a total of at least 4 million gallons already escaped.
But while BP is bearing the brunt of blame, MMS, which is populated largely by former industry executives, has been criticized for failing to react to studies that showed problems with the blow-out preventers, refusing to mandate back-up systems, and downplaying the extent of other accidents in the Gulf. At issue in Tuesday's US Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee hearing is safety testing of the shear. One former regulator testified that MMS needs more data on shear ram performance, but insisted all such rams were tested and certified every two weeks.
"Why is it that the testing always seems to pass and yet when it was needed it failed?" Sen. Robert Menendez (D) of New Jersey asked.
A long-term investigation led by Rep. Darrell Issa (R) of California into MMS has uncovered abuses dating back to the Clinton administration and which continued through the Bush and Obama White Houses. And Sen. Ben Nelson raised eyebrows this week when he brought up a series of 2008 revelations about sex and "pot parties" among MMS regulators and industry executives. Moreover, MMS collects $13 billion in lease royalties a year while amassing an increasingly spotty record on policing Big Oil on safety issues.
"While there are many outstanding questions surrounding what went wrong and what should have been done to avoid this disaster," Mr. Issa said Tuesday, "what we know for sure is that MMS is in need of a surgical overhaul and that a quick-fix, band-aid approach is wholly inadequate and will only serve to preserve a broken bureaucracy at the expense of the American people and their safety."
The Obama administration has fought back against comparisons of the Deepwater Horizon response to the hurricane Katrina disaster, where complacency that spanned local, state, and federal agencies combined to take a heavy human and political toll. But while Rep. Ed Markey (D) of Massachusetts on Tuesday pointed at lax regulation by the Bush administration, which had heavy ties to oil, it's also true that President Obama is the largest recipient of political donations from BP-associated PACs over the past 20 years.
And though the Obama administration has halted all new exploratory drilling in the Gulf, MMS has approved 26 environmental review exemptions for proposed drilling sites since the April 20 accident.
As part of the Obama administration's response to the Deepwater Horizon accident, Salazar said Tuesday he will seek an additional $29 million from Congress for stepped-up rig inspections and enforcement,
“The tragedy aboard the Deepwater Horizon and the massive spill for which BP is responsible has made the importance and urgency of our reform agenda even clearer,â€
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Lawmakers Introduce "Potty Parity Act"
Rep. Edolphus Towns (D-NY), the chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, has introduced a bipartisan bill called the Restroom Gender Parity in Federal Buildings Act -- aka the "Potty Parity Act."
The legislation is designed "to provide equal access to public restrooms for men and women" in federal buildings, according to a Towns release. It would require a one-to-one ratio for all toilets in women's and men's restrooms -- including urinals.
"Due to biological and social distinctions, women often need to allow for more time than men in restrooms, and limited restrooms impose undue hardship on women, especially those who are pregnant or suffer from other medical conditions," the release says.
Towns, who has introduced such legislation in the past, said "exasperating lines" at women's restrooms are "an inconvenience seen in almost every type of public building." He argued that the problem was rooted in part in the fact that many public buildings were constructed at a time when women were less likely to work outside the home.
"Our nation's history shows that the structure and accessibility of American public restrooms have served as manifestations of more deeply rooted problems of discrimination, among race, physical ability and gender," he said.
California Rep. Darrell Issa, the ranking republican on the committee, is a co-sponsor on the bill. It would also mandate that preference in federal leasing be given to buildings that meet the one-to-one ratio threshold.
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If shit was regulated, would it still happen?
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MMmmmmm MB you're makin' me HOT!!!!MisaBlue wrote:You can try...Trishntek wrote:If shit was regulated, would it still happen?
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City Council Initiates Arizona Boycott
US Airways and Arizona Diamondbacks are on the boycott list
By KATIE HONAN
Updated 11:15 AM EDT, Thu, May 13, 2010
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-be ... 81064.html
The City Council announced a resolution Wednesday calling for a boycott of the state of Arizona--a reaction to the recent law that allows police officers the right to ask residents to provide immigration documentation.
Two major potential targets for the boycott include U.S. Airways, which is based in Arizona, and Major League Baseball, which is holding its 2011 All-Star Game in Arizona.
The move was introduced by Councilmember Ydanis Rodriguez and co-sponsored by Council Members Margaret Chin, daniel Dromm, Robert Jackson, Melissa Mark-Viverito, Rosie Mendez, Jumaane Williams, and the Public Advocate Bill DeBlasio.
"Clearly, the state government of Arizona does not care about human or constitutional rights, the racial profiling that will ensue from this legislation, protecting the public safety of their residents in the state by preventing immigrants from going to the police for fear of deportation, or the ramifications that setting a precedent like this could have across the nation," said Council Member Ydanis Rodriguez.
"If they do not care about those things, the only way we can make them care is through the pocketbook.â€
US Airways and Arizona Diamondbacks are on the boycott list
By KATIE HONAN
Updated 11:15 AM EDT, Thu, May 13, 2010
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-be ... 81064.html
The City Council announced a resolution Wednesday calling for a boycott of the state of Arizona--a reaction to the recent law that allows police officers the right to ask residents to provide immigration documentation.
Two major potential targets for the boycott include U.S. Airways, which is based in Arizona, and Major League Baseball, which is holding its 2011 All-Star Game in Arizona.
The move was introduced by Councilmember Ydanis Rodriguez and co-sponsored by Council Members Margaret Chin, daniel Dromm, Robert Jackson, Melissa Mark-Viverito, Rosie Mendez, Jumaane Williams, and the Public Advocate Bill DeBlasio.
"Clearly, the state government of Arizona does not care about human or constitutional rights, the racial profiling that will ensue from this legislation, protecting the public safety of their residents in the state by preventing immigrants from going to the police for fear of deportation, or the ramifications that setting a precedent like this could have across the nation," said Council Member Ydanis Rodriguez.
"If they do not care about those things, the only way we can make them care is through the pocketbook.â€
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DVD Burner wrote:Well looks like Arizona and everyone that thinks like them are looking dumber and dumber everyday.
Talk about makin' a mountain out of a molehill.
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Arizona reports gang members departing en masse for california.
We'll see.
Maybe the law will work for them without even being used, once?
Eleven miles of the 700 mile fence complete?
Is that right?
One can't help wondering how much extra business arizona will get in support.
Losing 2% of L.A.s purchasing budget has probably crippled them.
Los Angeles being such a model city, their disapproval is certainly going to be psychologically devastating.
We'll see.
Maybe the law will work for them without even being used, once?
Eleven miles of the 700 mile fence complete?
Is that right?
One can't help wondering how much extra business arizona will get in support.
Losing 2% of L.A.s purchasing budget has probably crippled them.
Los Angeles being such a model city, their disapproval is certainly going to be psychologically devastating.
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Just wanted to share more stupidity of the day:
Why Did Arizona Pass An Ethnic Studies Bill?
By: Madison Gray
(1 hour ago)
http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/05/14/why ... dies-bill/
In Arizona’s latest controversy, Gov. Jan Brewer signed a new bill on Wednesday that restricts what can be taught in ethnic studies classes in public schools there. But why?
The new law, which was pursued by state schools Superintendent Tom Horne for several years carries provisions that prohibit classes that promote the overthrow of the United States government; promote resentment toward a race or class of people; are designed primarily for a particular ethnic group; or advocate ethnic solidarity as opposed to individualism.
But the timing of the signage is almost uncanny because Arizona, which is 30% Latino, has already drawn criticism over the immigration law, resulting in convention boycotts andlosing business with Los Angeles, and a condemnation from the United Nations.
Horne, who is also a Republican running for state attorney general, targeted the Mexican-American Studies program in the Tuscon Unified School District, accusing it of “ethnic chauvinismâ€
Why Did Arizona Pass An Ethnic Studies Bill?
By: Madison Gray
(1 hour ago)
http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/05/14/why ... dies-bill/
In Arizona’s latest controversy, Gov. Jan Brewer signed a new bill on Wednesday that restricts what can be taught in ethnic studies classes in public schools there. But why?
The new law, which was pursued by state schools Superintendent Tom Horne for several years carries provisions that prohibit classes that promote the overthrow of the United States government; promote resentment toward a race or class of people; are designed primarily for a particular ethnic group; or advocate ethnic solidarity as opposed to individualism.
But the timing of the signage is almost uncanny because Arizona, which is 30% Latino, has already drawn criticism over the immigration law, resulting in convention boycotts andlosing business with Los Angeles, and a condemnation from the United Nations.
Horne, who is also a Republican running for state attorney general, targeted the Mexican-American Studies program in the Tuscon Unified School District, accusing it of “ethnic chauvinismâ€
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Hey, it's Friday and Fridays are usually big news days:
NRA Annual Meeting: No Guns Allowed
Josh Sugarmann
Executive director of the Violence Policy Center in Washington, DC
Posted: May 14, 2010 02:03 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-suga ... 76680.html
The National Rifle Association's annual meeting is this weekend and it's a galaxy of pro-gun stars!
Sarah Palin!
Glenn Beck!
Newt Gringrich!
Ollie North!
Oh, and no guns.
Yes, in this celebration of all things that go bang, each of these NRA-sanctioned speakers will be offering their address before a crowd of disarmed gun enthusiasts.
On its website, the NRA warns:
North Carolina State law prohibits the carrying of firearms in the Charlotte Convention Center, and the Time Warner Cable Arena. In addition, the Rules and Regulations of the Charlotte Convention Center prohibit the carrying of firearms in the Center. Pursuant to Time Warner Cable Arena policy, all individuals entering the Arena will be subject to a magnetometer security check.
To think that you'd have to suffer the indignity of going through a metal detector to hear someone proselytize about your right to carry your gun anywhere you want is easy irony.
So why is the NRA allowing their leadership, their membership, and their special guests--even NRA board member Ted Nugent, yes, even the Nuge!--to be forced to undergo the indignity of being stripped of their guns with little more than a whimper?
Well, because to do otherwise would frankly be nuts.
And despite complaints lodged on pro-gun message boards, the NRA knows this. And I'm willing to bet that the rationale offered by Ken at NRA headquarters isn't very satisfying to most concealed and open-carry fans:
Thank you for contacting us.
The Charlotte Convention Center does not allow the carrying of firearms, both open and concealed.
The large size of our event and the fact that many of the largest convention centers are in some of the most restrictive cities leaves us with relatively few convention centers large enough to accommodate the Annual Meetings. In an effort to provide all NRA members a better opportunity to attend the Annual Meetings, it is important that we move the event around the country as much as possible. While we will not consider bringing the Annual Meetings to a city with gun laws we feel are restrictive, we must however deal with convention centers that have restrictions simply because there are so few convention centers that both allow conceal carry and are large enough to host all of the events that comprise the Annual Meetings.
Thank you for your support!
Best Regards,
Ken
NRA Member Communications
The NRA could publicly gnash their teeth and caterwaul about mass disarmament resulting from the draconian rules imposed by the state of North Carolina and the dark overlords of the Time-Warner Cable Arena. Instead, they relegate the issue to a note on their website and a cheery e-mail from Ken. And that's because even the NRA is well aware that a heavily armed crowd numbering in the tens of thousands (as promised by the organization) is an invitation to mishap and even disaster.
NRA Annual Meeting: No Guns Allowed
Josh Sugarmann
Executive director of the Violence Policy Center in Washington, DC
Posted: May 14, 2010 02:03 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-suga ... 76680.html
The National Rifle Association's annual meeting is this weekend and it's a galaxy of pro-gun stars!
Sarah Palin!
Glenn Beck!
Newt Gringrich!
Ollie North!
Oh, and no guns.
Yes, in this celebration of all things that go bang, each of these NRA-sanctioned speakers will be offering their address before a crowd of disarmed gun enthusiasts.
On its website, the NRA warns:
North Carolina State law prohibits the carrying of firearms in the Charlotte Convention Center, and the Time Warner Cable Arena. In addition, the Rules and Regulations of the Charlotte Convention Center prohibit the carrying of firearms in the Center. Pursuant to Time Warner Cable Arena policy, all individuals entering the Arena will be subject to a magnetometer security check.
To think that you'd have to suffer the indignity of going through a metal detector to hear someone proselytize about your right to carry your gun anywhere you want is easy irony.
So why is the NRA allowing their leadership, their membership, and their special guests--even NRA board member Ted Nugent, yes, even the Nuge!--to be forced to undergo the indignity of being stripped of their guns with little more than a whimper?
Well, because to do otherwise would frankly be nuts.
And despite complaints lodged on pro-gun message boards, the NRA knows this. And I'm willing to bet that the rationale offered by Ken at NRA headquarters isn't very satisfying to most concealed and open-carry fans:
Thank you for contacting us.
The Charlotte Convention Center does not allow the carrying of firearms, both open and concealed.
The large size of our event and the fact that many of the largest convention centers are in some of the most restrictive cities leaves us with relatively few convention centers large enough to accommodate the Annual Meetings. In an effort to provide all NRA members a better opportunity to attend the Annual Meetings, it is important that we move the event around the country as much as possible. While we will not consider bringing the Annual Meetings to a city with gun laws we feel are restrictive, we must however deal with convention centers that have restrictions simply because there are so few convention centers that both allow conceal carry and are large enough to host all of the events that comprise the Annual Meetings.
Thank you for your support!
Best Regards,
Ken
NRA Member Communications
The NRA could publicly gnash their teeth and caterwaul about mass disarmament resulting from the draconian rules imposed by the state of North Carolina and the dark overlords of the Time-Warner Cable Arena. Instead, they relegate the issue to a note on their website and a cheery e-mail from Ken. And that's because even the NRA is well aware that a heavily armed crowd numbering in the tens of thousands (as promised by the organization) is an invitation to mishap and even disaster.
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Nonsense.
Crowds get large enough and everyone goes crazy?
How's that?
NRA has been toning down the insane rhetoric they used to have in the magazine, so that looks promising.
But if they're still tying themselves tp folks of the palin beck ilk, they still don't understand the audience that makes things happen.
On a related note, I called the governor here, who has expressed his displeasure at the latest self defense bill.
I told them,
"I'm a yellow dog democrat, and I want this bill passed."
And I told them why.
They really hate that.
Knowing the bill is supported by his own party puts things in perspective.
A rabid nra conspiracy nut wouldn't faze him at all.
But a democrat telling him he's wrong?
They were quite grumpy about it.
If he vetoes it, I think it will be over ridden anyway.
The campaign against the bill always consists of "Everybody knows" etc
So everyone can tell they're full of shit.
Crowds get large enough and everyone goes crazy?
How's that?
NRA has been toning down the insane rhetoric they used to have in the magazine, so that looks promising.
But if they're still tying themselves tp folks of the palin beck ilk, they still don't understand the audience that makes things happen.
On a related note, I called the governor here, who has expressed his displeasure at the latest self defense bill.
I told them,
"I'm a yellow dog democrat, and I want this bill passed."
And I told them why.
They really hate that.
Knowing the bill is supported by his own party puts things in perspective.
A rabid nra conspiracy nut wouldn't faze him at all.
But a democrat telling him he's wrong?
They were quite grumpy about it.
If he vetoes it, I think it will be over ridden anyway.
The campaign against the bill always consists of "Everybody knows" etc
So everyone can tell they're full of shit.
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here are the facts; Gang members are all over the world. Cripps and Bloods go from here all the way to Toronto.gyre wrote:Arizona reports gang members departing en masse for california.
We'll see.
Maybe the law will work for them without even being used, once?
Eleven miles of the 700 mile fence complete?
Is that right?
One can't help wondering how much extra business arizona will get in support.
Losing 2% of L.A.s purchasing budget has probably crippled them.
Los Angeles being such a model city, their disapproval is certainly going to be psychologically devastating.
There is no law that can prevent that from happening. To say that one can make a bill that will work is a naive idiot and excuse the redundancy.
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For all you George Bush Dick Cheney folks out there. Dont you think it's rather ironic that WE ALL are still cleaning up the FUCKED UP BUSH CHENEY FUCK UPS?
I mean really. Aren't YOU ALL just a little bit FURIOUS?
after all, the facts are the facts!
For all you George Bush Dick Cheney folks out there. Dont you think it's rather ironic that WE ALL are still cleaning up the FUCKED UP BUSH CHENEY FUCK UPS?
I mean really. Aren't YOU ALL just a little bit FURIOUS?
after all, the facts are the facts!
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Big Oil Keeps Its Bailout -- For Now
Carl Pope
Fmr. Chairman, Sierra Club
Posted: May 13, 2010 03:40 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-pope ... 75442.html
Washington, D.C. -- Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski moved today to guarantee a bailout of BP and other parties responsible for the Deepwater Horizon oil catastrophe. Senator Robert Menendez had introduced legislation, (The Big Oil Bailout Prevention Act) that would have ensured BP can't hide behind the $75 million liability cap that the oil industry had previously lobbied and obtained from Congress for damages from an oil spill.
But Murkowski, once again using the Senate's "Polish rules" by which a single senator can prevent the majority from legislating in a crisis, blocked consideration of the bill. By objecting to proceeding with the Big Oil Bailout Prevention Act, Murkowski did a huge favor for her allies and financial supporters in the oil industry. That's because Menendez's bill not only would have protected fishermen and communities in the Gulf of Mexico from being stuck with the bill for Big Oil's recklessness at Deepwater Horizon -- it would also have ensured that, as the oil industry moves into even more-dangerous Arctic waters of the Chukchi and Beaufort Seas, it would be held accountable for future catastrophes.
BP itself had earlier promised not to hide behind the $75 million liability shield, and claimed that it would pay any legitimate claims.
In cosponsoring Menendez's bill, Florida Senator Bill Nelson expressed his disbelief of this promise:
"BP says it'll pay for this mess. Baloney. They're not going to want to pay any more than what the law says they have to, which is why we can't let them off the hook."
And sure enough, just a few hours before Murkowski bailed out Big Oil, Transocean, BP's partner in Deepwater Horizon, filed a motion in federal court not only to hide behind the $75 million liability limit, but to use an antiquated 1851 maritime law to limit its liability to only $27 million. Maritime law was the basis for Exxon's dodging most of its liability for the Valdez oil spill, and now Transocean plans to use the same standards -- written for merchant ships but now being applied to enormous oil platforms on the reasoning that, if it floats, it must be a "vessel."
Murkowski's Polish veto won't be the end of this battle. Menendez will try to attach his bill to other energy legislation as it comes to the Senate floor. But her action today makes it clear that she is not just the Senior Senator from Alaska -- she's also the Senator from Big Oil.
Carl Pope
Fmr. Chairman, Sierra Club
Posted: May 13, 2010 03:40 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-pope ... 75442.html
Washington, D.C. -- Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski moved today to guarantee a bailout of BP and other parties responsible for the Deepwater Horizon oil catastrophe. Senator Robert Menendez had introduced legislation, (The Big Oil Bailout Prevention Act) that would have ensured BP can't hide behind the $75 million liability cap that the oil industry had previously lobbied and obtained from Congress for damages from an oil spill.
But Murkowski, once again using the Senate's "Polish rules" by which a single senator can prevent the majority from legislating in a crisis, blocked consideration of the bill. By objecting to proceeding with the Big Oil Bailout Prevention Act, Murkowski did a huge favor for her allies and financial supporters in the oil industry. That's because Menendez's bill not only would have protected fishermen and communities in the Gulf of Mexico from being stuck with the bill for Big Oil's recklessness at Deepwater Horizon -- it would also have ensured that, as the oil industry moves into even more-dangerous Arctic waters of the Chukchi and Beaufort Seas, it would be held accountable for future catastrophes.
BP itself had earlier promised not to hide behind the $75 million liability shield, and claimed that it would pay any legitimate claims.
In cosponsoring Menendez's bill, Florida Senator Bill Nelson expressed his disbelief of this promise:
"BP says it'll pay for this mess. Baloney. They're not going to want to pay any more than what the law says they have to, which is why we can't let them off the hook."
And sure enough, just a few hours before Murkowski bailed out Big Oil, Transocean, BP's partner in Deepwater Horizon, filed a motion in federal court not only to hide behind the $75 million liability limit, but to use an antiquated 1851 maritime law to limit its liability to only $27 million. Maritime law was the basis for Exxon's dodging most of its liability for the Valdez oil spill, and now Transocean plans to use the same standards -- written for merchant ships but now being applied to enormous oil platforms on the reasoning that, if it floats, it must be a "vessel."
Murkowski's Polish veto won't be the end of this battle. Menendez will try to attach his bill to other energy legislation as it comes to the Senate floor. But her action today makes it clear that she is not just the Senior Senator from Alaska -- she's also the Senator from Big Oil.
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To even think that an oil company does not do everything possible to prevent a disaster like this is naive. They are in the business of bringing oil to the market. To think they would not do everything possible to assure delivery of product is ridiculous.
That would be like saying a semi-truck accident purposely delays your arrival at a destination because he "made" you late. Like he's not doing everything he can to get to his destination! A decent grasp of reality, logistics and basic purpose make it obvious.
Passing moral judgments on companies and other entities for making a mistake or an unexplained incident is also playing into the hands of those who wish to dismantle society as we know it. If it were not for big oil, we would still be toting buckets on foot and horseback and Burning Man would not even exist.
That would be like saying a semi-truck accident purposely delays your arrival at a destination because he "made" you late. Like he's not doing everything he can to get to his destination! A decent grasp of reality, logistics and basic purpose make it obvious.
Passing moral judgments on companies and other entities for making a mistake or an unexplained incident is also playing into the hands of those who wish to dismantle society as we know it. If it were not for big oil, we would still be toting buckets on foot and horseback and Burning Man would not even exist.
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For all you George Bush Dick Cheney folks out there. Dont you think it's rather ironic that WE ALL are still cleaning up the FUCKED UP BUSH CHENEY FUCK UPS?
I mean really. Aren't YOU ALL just a little bit FURIOUS?
after all, the facts are the facts!
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[quote="DVD Burner"]Just wanted to share more stupidity of the day:
Why Did Arizona Pass An Ethnic Studies Bill?
By: Madison Gray
(1 hour ago)
http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/05/14/why ... dies-bill/
In Arizona’s latest controversy, Gov. Jan Brewer signed a new bill on Wednesday that restricts what can be taught in ethnic studies classes in public schools there. But why?
The new law, which was pursued by state schools Superintendent Tom Horne for several years carries provisions that prohibit classes that promote the overthrow of the United States government; promote resentment toward a race or class of people; are designed primarily for a particular ethnic group; or advocate ethnic solidarity as opposed to individualism.
But the timing of the signage is almost uncanny because Arizona, which is 30% Latino, has already drawn criticism over the immigration law, resulting in convention boycotts andlosing business with Los Angeles, and a condemnation from the United Nations.
Horne, who is also a Republican running for state attorney general, targeted the Mexican-American Studies program in the Tuscon Unified School District, accusing it of “ethnic chauvinismâ€
Why Did Arizona Pass An Ethnic Studies Bill?
By: Madison Gray
(1 hour ago)
http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/05/14/why ... dies-bill/
In Arizona’s latest controversy, Gov. Jan Brewer signed a new bill on Wednesday that restricts what can be taught in ethnic studies classes in public schools there. But why?
The new law, which was pursued by state schools Superintendent Tom Horne for several years carries provisions that prohibit classes that promote the overthrow of the United States government; promote resentment toward a race or class of people; are designed primarily for a particular ethnic group; or advocate ethnic solidarity as opposed to individualism.
But the timing of the signage is almost uncanny because Arizona, which is 30% Latino, has already drawn criticism over the immigration law, resulting in convention boycotts andlosing business with Los Angeles, and a condemnation from the United Nations.
Horne, who is also a Republican running for state attorney general, targeted the Mexican-American Studies program in the Tuscon Unified School District, accusing it of “ethnic chauvinismâ€
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It's not quite that simple. The oil companies (and most other companies) are driven by profit. They get the profit by extracting, processing, and delivering oil at a cost that is less than what they can charge. Avoiding using a $500,000 safety device, for example, goes directly to the bottom line. And, since blowouts are uncommon enough, and the consequential costs are never fully passed on to the oil companies, short term decisions favor getting away with as little safety equipment as possible.Trishntek wrote:To even think that an oil company does not do everything possible to prevent a disaster like this is naive. They are in the business of bringing oil to the market. To think they would not do everything possible to assure delivery of product is ridiculous.
Supposedly regulators are there to protect those with interests that might be harmed by the extraction process. But when the regulators are in bed (sometimes literally) with the regulated then we open the door to having the risks and costs passed on to us in a fairly dramatic fashion.
Many of the extraction companies follow the same model. In most cases where the cost of failure is not born by the company then risks will be taken in order to increase profits. They do not do everything possible to ensure delivery of the product, or the safety of the workers, or the health of the environment. They tend to maximize profit, often maximizing short-term profit over their own long-term interests.
I'm not some raving socialist. I could easily point out where a paternalistic (or authoritarian) government model fails. But especially if you like the benefits of capitalism you have to recognize where it fails.
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what a great idea, DVD! but who gets to decide which people are stupid? there are a few around here who would consider you among them ... and this post is rather proof.DVD Burner wrote:Did I mention that I am prejudice.
Prejudice against stupid people. Stupid people of all races, genders and classes.
I am sorry to be this way but I really see no reason for stupid people to live.
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If it weren't for stupid people, how would we know how brilliant you really are?DVD Burner wrote:Did I mention that I am prejudice.
Prejudice against stupid people. Stupid people of all races, genders and classes.
I am sorry to be this way but I really see no reason for stupid people to live.
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Ahem,,,, as one who grew up in the Teapot Dome area of Wyoming and worked in the oil fields, the mines and the heavy equipment manufacturing industry, the fact is,,,, those are difficult, dirty, gritty motherfuckin' sonofabitchin' jobs. When the weather doesn't get you, gubmint does. Safety and training are industries of their own embedded within each facility and second to none anywhere in the world. Now I've seen people killed in the field. Run over by a D9, mud slides you would have to be there to appreciate,,,, sink holes, cave ins, and near misses that feel like your head's gonna explode. It is the most unappreciated industry and an easy target for all kinds of blame.dr.placebo wrote:It's not quite that simple. The oil companies (and most other companies) are driven by profit. They get the profit by extracting, processing, and delivering oil at a cost that is less than what they can charge. Avoiding using a $500,000 safety device, for example, goes directly to the bottom line. And, since blowouts are uncommon enough, and the consequential costs are never fully passed on to the oil companies, short term decisions favor getting away with as little safety equipment as possible.Trishntek wrote:To even think that an oil company does not do everything possible to prevent a disaster like this is naive. They are in the business of bringing oil to the market. To think they would not do everything possible to assure delivery of product is ridiculous.
Supposedly regulators are there to protect those with interests that might be harmed by the extraction process. But when the regulators are in bed (sometimes literally) with the regulated then we open the door to having the risks and costs passed on to us in a fairly dramatic fashion.
Many of the extraction companies follow the same model. In most cases where the cost of failure is not born by the company then risks will be taken in order to increase profits. They do not do everything possible to ensure delivery of the product, or the safety of the workers, or the health of the environment. They tend to maximize profit, often maximizing short-term profit over their own long-term interests.
I'm not some raving socialist. I could easily point out where a paternalistic (or authoritarian) government model fails. But especially if you like the benefits of capitalism you have to recognize where it fails.
The capitalism is what makes it worthwhile. It can easily become slavery,,, which it was in times past. Sure, corporate energy is big business,,,, supply must meet demand,,,, you cannot legislate that,,, or do it without a profit. It is extremely high risk. The odds are always against you when you are dealing with gravitational issues few people can possibly appreciate. Chances of failure can be minimized but never totally discounted. Accidents happen, people die, a service offered and demand is high. In your assessment, when shit happens on an offshore oil rig 50 miles across water, working a mile below the water's surface is not high risk? The odds of an accident can be reduced but never eliminated.
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