Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night....II

[DVD Burner]

Did I also say I have no sympathy for Coal miners and oilers and that they have whatever comes to them when it comes to work because they are the dumbest suckers on earth?

Oh right, I just said that.

200 year old technology, if you wanna call it that, that is obsolete and for cavemen.

[ygmir]

[Trishntek]

Did I also say I have no sympathy for Coal miners and oilers and that they have whatever comes to them when it comes to work because they are the dumbest suckers on earth?

Oh right, I just said that.

200 year old technology, if you wanna call it that, that is obsolete and for cavemen.

So now you equate "minorities who do the jobs Americans won't do" to cavemen and the dumbest suckers on earth.

[gyre]

Minorities?

My friend that works on platforms is white, which is a minority these days.
Computer expert, though he may have crossed into robotics these days, which I gather is the main job now.

[dr.placebo]

Ahem,,,, as one who grew up in the Teapot Dome area of Wyoming and worked in the oil fields, the mines and the heavy equipment manufacturing industry, the fact is,,,, those are difficult, dirty, gritty motherfuckin' sonofabitchin' jobs. When the weather doesn't get you, gubmint does. Safety and training are industries of their own embedded within each facility and second to none anywhere in the world. Now I've seen people killed in the field. Run over by a D9, mud slides you would have to be there to appreciate,,,, sink holes, cave ins, and near misses that feel like your head's gonna explode. It is the most unappreciated industry and an easy target for all kinds of blame.

I mean no disrespect to the workers. Mostly they work hard at dangerous jobs so we can enjoy a life with less danger. Same goes for cops, the military, linemen, truckers, and anyone else who has a risky job. I respect them, and my desire is to reduce the risk.

I don't understand the part about the "When the weather doesn't get you, gubmint does." The recent oil and coal accidents took place, as far as I can tell, on sites that had numerous safety violations, and my beef with the government is that they let them slide. The government (local, state, and federal) failed to protect the workers, and that's where I get pissed off. But the government did not create the unsafe conditions. The upper management did that, cutting corners. The government just did not do their job.

Interesting article about safety in the oil fields: http://www.hcn.org/issues/343/16915.

[Trishntek]

Mineral industry is exposed the extremes of environments by nature. Extracting minerals, gas and oil is a continuous battle with nature. When the gubmint insists on 14 inches of topsoil be placed during reclamation where 6 inches existed "naturally", that puts an undue burden on the operation.

There is no question that these industries must be as environmentally sensitive as possible. The gubmint often places unrealistic requirements and contradictory regulations which are impossible to get 100 percent correct. My contention is that the individuals in the field are the ones that make the difference. All the paper pushers in the world with all their ideal situations do not implement the practical realities in the field.

There is nothing pretty about natural resource extraction. Doc you seem to believe the more gubmint intrudes the better. But it can also bring production to its knees when there is simply more regulation than can possibly make it profitable. the workers understand the risks. There are no guarantees in life no matter what the gubmint says or does. There is a saturation point where satisfying red tape is more important than producing anything. That scenario is unsustainable.

The thing about the current oil spill is they were in the process of placing the cut off valve at the time of the blow. The tooling was still in the hole and prevented the valve from closing. These valves and switches don't just appear in place without instalation,,,, please don't be offended,,,, this is not meant as condescending even though it sounds that way.

The idea that $500k is something BP would not spend to save money when they place a multi billion dollar operation at risk is difficult for me to accept from one source on MSLSD. That wouldn't even buy a set of tires for one haul truck or a decent size tender for a platform. Again I simply claim that there are inherent risks involved, the record of safety is top knotch, and the risk to benefit ratio is worth the risk to detriment ratio. More regulation will decrease benefit and increase detriment while doing nothing to change the risk.

As has been said,,,, it is not more regulation,,,, but simply enforce existing regulation. Sure there are inspecting engineers on the take. There are politicians on the dole with big corporations and the green movement. Some are even owned by one side or the other. It always goes both ways and middle ground is hard to find. Bigger gubmint is not the answe.

[gyre]

So out of touch with reality.

The employees say they were deceived about safety devices and industry admits this.
It was on the news.

I refer you to the frontline on industry safety.
Same old song about profits.
Cheaper to kill.
The fines and willingness to use them so nonexistent, only osha brought one of the worst killers operating in the usa under control....for the moment.

The show contrasts the breakaway company that was founded on the premise that you could operate heavy industry ethically (quite a radical concept at the time).
The original company still operates on the 18th century model, like most companies in the world.

A terrific example of unrestrained capitalism.
And lots of pictures of people pulled into the machinery, if you get bored.

[DVD Burner]

Did I also say I have no sympathy for Coal miners and oilers and that they have whatever comes to them when it comes to work because they are the dumbest suckers on earth?

Oh right, I just said that.

200 year old technology, if you wanna call it that, that is obsolete and for cavemen.

So now you equate "minorities who do the jobs Americans won't do" to cavemen and the dumbest suckers on earth.

You are incapable of knowing the definition of minorities.

And fuckin aye right I consider any neanderthal that works for lairs idiots:

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[ygmir]

Did I also say I have no sympathy for Coal miners and oilers and that they have whatever comes to them when it comes to work because they are the dumbest suckers on earth?

Oh right, I just said that.

200 year old technology, if you wanna call it that, that is obsolete and for cavemen.

So now you equate "minorities who do the jobs Americans won't do" to cavemen and the dumbest suckers on earth.

You are incapable of knowing the definition of minorities.

And fuckin aye right I consider any neanderthal that works for lairs idiots:

that's rich.............

[DVD Burner]

Gap in Rules on Oil Spills From Wells
By KATE GALBRAITH
Published: May 16, 2010

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/17/busin ... ?src=busln


The catastrophic Deepwater Horizon oil spill began off the coast of Louisiana — hundreds of miles from Mexico and far from any other country.

But many oil spills, almost by definition, become international events. Oil slicks can easily be carried to distant shores by the sea currents. A huge Australian oil spill last year in the Timor Sea caused angst in Indonesia and East Timor.

There has even been concern that the crude gushing into the Gulf of Mexico could make its way to the Atlantic Ocean, tugged along by powerful currents.

In the event of a spill that affects multiple countries, a number of global conventions devised through the International Maritime Organization govern prevention and clean-up efforts. There are also regional agreements — the United States, for example, maintains agreements with Canada, Mexico, Panama, Russia and the British Virgin Islands, according to the State Department.

But experts say there are large gaps in what the international agreements cover.

“There is a tremendous body of international law addressing oil pollution, dealing with matters including construction and seaworthiness of ships, safety of navigation, pollution response, and liability,â€

[DVD Burner]

So now you equate "minorities who do the jobs Americans won't do" to cavemen and the dumbest suckers on earth.

You are incapable of knowing the definition of minorities.

And fuckin aye right I consider any neanderthal that works for lairs idiots:

that's rich.............

Ok, I'll be lenient, if one knows they are working for a liar they are neanderthal.


I dont work for liars. Especially if I know they are one.

[DVD Burner]

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This just in!


What a bunch of idiots!

[can't sit still]

Well, here's something that should be less controversial than oil spills. I got this in mail. It's an article from a writer in Detroit lamenting the results of liberal policies. He has a lot of valid points.

THIS BLACK WRITER SAYS MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
HAD A DREAM, BUT BLACKS NOW FACE A NIGHTMARE
By Chris W. Bell, Detroit freelance writer, February 18, 2010
When was the last time you heard anyone express outrage over the fact
that up to half of the black kids in major cities are high school
dropouts?
Black America is in a state of crisis, and not only are we being
ignored by those for whom we vote, but we are also being ignored by the
press and the "civil rights movement".
For the last seventy years, liberals have asked blacks to elect and
empower them so that they could defend us from racist conservatives who
were trying to keep us down. They said that without them, we would be
relegated to an inferior education, lower-paying jobs, and the sorrow of
institutional racism. (And it has happened, but with a different cause.)
But after all this time in power, how has liberalism benefited us? It
seems incredible that in the 21st century, we could be backsliding, but
the facts don't lie.
The black unemployment rate is 89% higher than the white rate (8.7%
versus 16.5%). This is after nearly seventy years of the solid black
vote for liberals. At each election, liberals say that blacks need
protection from conservatives, but there are no conservatives anywhere
near us. The only thing that all of the people who set the policies that
affect us have in common is that they are all liberal. Our cities have
been under liberal control for decades, and they are also where the black
economic and social indicators are the worst; and the mainstream civil
rights movement that claims to represent us never questions whether or
not liberalism is partially to blame.
The high black unemployment rate is partially explained by the fact
that the high school dropout rate in major cities is close to 50%, with
some as high 75%. What employment prospects can we expect for a
generation of men without high school diplomas? Liberals run the school
systems, but their philosophy is not held liable for the tragic
circumstances we find ourselves in. They lower standards in the name of
fairness to the underachievers, and then they fight vouchers that would
allow us to take our scholastic business elsewhere. The result is kids
who are less prepared for college than those they must compete with.
It's incredible and saddening that in the 21st century, amid all of
the marvelous technology that we live with, there is a whole class of
people who do not have the education required to take advantage of our
new high-tech workplaces; they have 1950 skills. It is even more
saddening that the policymakers whom we have entrusted our votes to still
receive our solid and unwavering support even though their actions have
made our situation worse.
Look at the state of the black family; the black illegitimacy rate is
near 70%. Coupled with high divorce rates, it's a pretty good bet that
any given young black lives with his mother. Beginning in the 1960s,
liberals told us that we didn't need marriage to enjoy our sexuality.
They said that marriage was cramping our style and that a woman needn't
be "dependent" on a man to help with the family. They said she could do
it all. Liberals encouraged us not to consider being married a
prerequisite for having kids -- so we didn't, and look what it has
caused: millions of single women trying to earn a living while raising
kids and running a household alone, while burdened with the crushing
weight of disciplining our young men and instilling virtue in our young
women.
Our cities are infested with crime. Blacks make up 49% of all
homicide victims and 35% of state and federal prisoners. The liberal
solution to crime is to look for racial discrimination in law enforcement
and criminal sentencing.
Welfare is a good example of a liberal policy that has devastated us.
The last generation grew up with unrestricted welfare, and its effects
are still being felt. Unrestricted welfare meant that anyone could
receive welfare at any time and would never be kicked off. I can recall
men in my neighborhood in their thirties who were dropouts and had never
held a job. Yet with all of that spending, liberals could never find the
money to lower lower crime, increase business, and lower costs.
In fact, every time they run low on cash, liberals do an early
release from the prisons -- releasing those hoodlums right back into our
community. Liberals don't have to live alongside the thugs they let
loose in our neighborhoods.
And through it all, nearly 90% of blacks loyally vote for liberal
candidates. This has got to stop before we are a permanent underclass.
Blacks must abandon their blind support of liberals and support
candidates who will focus on lowering crime, improving schools, and
encouraging commerce. These priorities are mostly found with
conservative candidates. It's ironic that now that we have the freedom
to vote for whomever we like, almost all of us vote for one type of
candidate -- the kind that's the worst for us.
WHY DO BLACKS VOTE FOR OPPRESSIVE LIBERALS
It's time for black voters to elect candidates who will reverse the
ambition-numbing effects of seventy years of liberals. If we did nothing
else other than vote against liberals, we would be far better off. We
would see immediate and incredible advances toward the society that
Martin Luther King, Jr. dreamed of instead of this hellish nightmare that
keeps getting worse.
Our very first step must be an end to all support for liberal
candidates in the same way we shunned segregationists in the '60s. When
we were faced with segregation, we rallied to remove those who approved
of it from power. We did this even when faced with water cannons,
attack-dogs, and worse.
Whether it is through discrimination, as it was, or lack of
education, as it is now, the result is the same: a large percentage of
blacks are not able to live the American dream. But if we don't fight,
who will? No one will take this struggle more seriously than we do.
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[DVD Burner]

Well here are the facts, this would not have been a problem if there were not specific events of the past that created these problems in the first place.

How these problems as is what is happening today with the oil spill was not for seen is beyond comprehension.

[Trishntek]

Well here are the facts, this would not have been a problem if there were not specific events of the past that created these problems in the first place.

How these problems as is what is happening today with the oil spill was not for seen is beyond comprehension.

Brilliance in action

[DVD Burner]

Well here are the facts, this would not have been a problem if there were not specific events of the past that created these problems in the first place.

How these problems as is what is happening today with the oil spill was not for seen is beyond comprehension.

Brilliance in action

Not brilliance, Genius. By far to much for you to comprehend.

[Trishntek]

The high black unemployment rate is partially explained by the fact
that the high school dropout rate in major cities is close to 50%, with
some as high 75%. What employment prospects can we expect for a
generation of men without high school diplomas? Liberals run the school
systems, but their philosophy is not held liable for the tragic
circumstances we find ourselves in. They lower standards in the name of
fairness to the underachievers, and then they fight vouchers that would
allow us to take our scholastic business elsewhere. The result is kids
who are less prepared for college than those they must compete with.
It's incredible and saddening that in the 21st century, amid all of
the marvelous technology that we live with, there is a whole class of
people who do not have the education required to take advantage of our
new high-tech workplaces; they have 1950 skills. It is even more
saddening that the policymakers whom we have entrusted our votes to still
receive our solid and unwavering support even though their actions have
made our situation worse.
Look at the state of the black family; the black illegitimacy rate is
near 70%. Coupled with high divorce rates, it's a pretty good bet that
any given young black lives with his mother. Beginning in the 1960s,
liberals told us that we didn't need marriage to enjoy our sexuality.
They said that marriage was cramping our style and that a woman needn't
be "dependent" on a man to help with the family. They said she could do
it all. Liberals encouraged us not to consider being married a
prerequisite for having kids -- so we didn't, and look what it has
caused: millions of single women trying to earn a living while raising
kids and running a household alone, while burdened with the crushing
weight of disciplining our young men and instilling virtue in our young
women.

The party of slavery and "representing" oppressed groups must maintain the integrity of the problems in order to justify its own existence.

[can't sit still]

"single women trying to earn a living while raising
kids and running a household alone, while burdened with the crushing
weight of disciplining our young men"
THIS is the central problem. Discipline. If a person never learns discipline, they never learn self-discipline. Dr. Spock said "no need for discipline" Many years later, he recanted.
Without self-discipline, one abandons any task that becomes distasteful of difficult,,, or boring,,, or not-fun. It's damn near impossible for a single mother to maintain control with a teenage boy. He wants to fuck, he wants to party, he wants to rumble. Mom is just an anchor.
Self-discipline and achievement are almost one and the same. I had an acquaintance who never learned self-discipline. He was a holy terror. After he beat up some cops, he got a few years to learn discipline from the prison bulls.Many of them were former cops. They went out of their way to make sure that he learned his lessons well.
Self discipline.

[DVD Burner]

Speaking of black people and parties, my black lady republican tea party friend on face book just now got back to me to ask who Dale Robertson is.

I sent her this:



Dale Robertson is the original creator of the tea party.


BWWWWAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA!

[DVD Burner]

Iran throws ball into West's court


Mon, 17 May 2010 09:34:06 GMT


http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=12 ... =351020104


Iran's atomic energy chief says the nuclear fuel swap deal with Turkey and Brazil leaves no excuse for world powers to impose pressure on Tehran.

Senior officials from Iran, Turkey, and Brazil signed a landmark nuclear agreement in Tehran on Monday that may finally bring closure to the dispute between Iran and the West.

The deal will see Iran ship around 12 hundred kilograms of its low-grade fuel to Turkey as part of an earlier plan to exchange it with higher enrichment uranium for use at the Tehran research reactor, which produces medicine.

Commenting on the deal, the Head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran Ali-Akbar Salehi said he hoped this time, the US and its allies would act “with wisdomâ€

[Trishntek]

So when are we gonna revitalize our own nuclear program here in the United States?

[gyre]

It would be more cost effective to reduce consumption first, just as is recommended for solar homes as a first step. (But not profitable for the power industry.)
Most homes are wildly inefficient.

[Trishntek]

It would be more cost effective to reduce consumption first, just as is recommended for solar homes as a first step. (But not profitable for the power industry.)
Most homes are wildly inefficient.

Caves are amazingly efficient,,,, windproof and a consistent ambient temperature which is cool in the summer and requires very little to heat it in the winter.

[dr.placebo]

At this moment conservation is the fastest economical way to improve the energy budget. The US expends about twice as much energy per capita as western Europe or Japan with very little difference in living standard. Further, the payback at the consumer level for conservation is a better and safer return than banks, stocks, or real estate.

Maybe the lesson is starting to sink in (I hope). The US energy-related carbon emissions are down by about 10% from 2005 levels, with only about a third of that decrease due to the recession. See:

http://climateprogress.org/2010/05/05/e ... mate-bill/

And, although it might sound bizarre, I agree with Trishntek about caves. But rather than live in them I'd suggest that we improve our use of the relatively constant underground temps for heating and cooling using heat pumps. See:

http://www.energysavers.gov/your_home/s ... opic=12640

Conservation is not a full solution, but we waste so much that it ought to be highly rated as a first step.

[littleflower]

waste is a problem ... i suspect, though, that a lot of the recent drop has to do with more efficient light bulbs or something. how can energy efficiency improve long term when all of the new houses are so huge? some people want lights on in all of the rooms, too. and heat. it's ridiculous. it seems that nobody likes small houses any more .... small means "condo" to developers, as far as i can tell. they keep building huge houses with no gardens, and they sell. this really bugs me.

[FIGJAM]

where the house takes up more space than the yard does?

[DVD Burner]

waste is a problem ... i suspect, though, that a lot of the recent drop has to do with more efficient light bulbs or something. how can energy efficiency improve long term when all of the new houses are so huge? some people want lights on in all of the rooms, too. and heat. it's ridiculous. it seems that nobody likes small houses any more .... small means "condo" to developers, as far as i can tell. they keep building huge houses with no gardens, and they sell. this really bugs me.

Simple. Time to use hemp instead of oil for by products.

Here is a list of all the things that are made with petroleum:

http://www.ranken-energy.com/Products%2 ... roleum.htm

all if not most can be done with hemp and other bio technologies that can work things out like Algal plastics. That's if the big oil doesn't fuck up everything.

fact is, oil has been obsolete for several years now. It's not cost effective nor all that profitable nor efficient.

[Trishntek]

waste is a problem ... i suspect, though, that a lot of the recent drop has to do with more efficient light bulbs or something. how can energy efficiency improve long term when all of the new houses are so huge? some people want lights on in all of the rooms, too. and heat. it's ridiculous. it seems that nobody likes small houses any more .... small means "condo" to developers, as far as i can tell. they keep building huge houses with no gardens, and they sell. this really bugs me.

Agree whole-heartedly with the big house observation. I have witnessed less traffic through downtown L.A. for the past year or so. What used to be 3 hour commute is more like 2:15 on a regular basis nowadays.

Knew a guy back in the 80's built his place into a berm facing south. Had triple pane glass to the sun. It was a modest 1800 square feet. He could heat the whole place in a Wyoming winter with one of those little "Jotul" wood/coal stove. Extremely quiet place too. Probably not up to CA code though. It was just cinder blocks on the outside with 4in. insulation and drywall inside. With 3 sides of the house buried it was pretty near a cave.

[geekster]

"The US expends about twice as much energy per capita as western Europe or Japan with very little difference in living standard."

That is pretty much absolute bull. You have to look at it in energy consumption per unit of economic output. In terms of BTU of energy consumed per unit of GDP, the US is, the last time I checked, the most energy efficient economy on the planet.

For example. Say you produce apples. Say you want to double production. That will result in a greater expenditure of energy. You need to ship twice as many loads of apples to market and, in turn, twice as many apples are shipped to the ultimate consumer. That does not take into account the energy consumed in maintaining an orchard twice the size and the picking of the apples.

It bugs me when I hear ninnies who know nothing about basic economics hold forth as if they are some kind of authority. The US is one of the most energy efficient economies on the planet.

And we would be even more efficient if we had more nuclear power.

[dr.placebo]

A brief description of energy intensity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_intensity

Energy intensity by country, selected (2003):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _intensity

US 221.7
Germany 163.9
Japan 154.0
Israel 141.3
UK 141.1
Italy 122.8

Perhaps you should check again, geekster.