Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night....II

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[Trishntek]

A brief description of energy intensity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_intensity

Energy intensity by country, selected (2003):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _intensity

US 221.7
Germany 163.9
Japan 154.0
Israel 141.3
UK 141.1
Italy 122.8

Perhaps you should check again, geekster.

Doc, I would be curious if there is any consideration of energy sources with these numbers. I know France, for instance, has a considerable number of nuclear plants. It would seem to my feeble mind that energy sources would take part in the efficiency analysis.

I also wonder if there is any consideration of energy produced and exported versus energy consumed and imported. I guess I'm just seeking a common denominator rather than a common numerator. I realize export/import is considered in the GDP, but since we are talking energy efficiency, would the analysis be telling if it was GDP/millionBtu consumed/person compared with Btuproduced/millionBtu consumed/person.

[knowmad]

Did I mention that I am prejudice.
Prejudice against stupid people. Stupid people of all races, genders and classes.
I am sorry to be this way but I really see no reason for stupid people to live.

what a great idea, DVD! but who gets to decide which people are stupid? there are a few around here who would consider you among them ... and this post is rather proof.

Hear, Hear! When one Claims to be prejudice, what they claim is that they are pre-disposed to being judgmental. Basically being closed to the idea of examining the facts, etymologically speaking this is a closely related concept to the word Fucktard. And DVD you're right, Stupid people should not live, they are unfit to share our air, to ever share a happy experience with another human soul. the Very Ideas and articulated thoughts that flow from their mouths are aberrations and are an affront to enlightened thought. They should go down in the oubliette to become compost so that the rest can live. I have decided this because I too am prejudice, I Have decided I will not entertain the Ideas, thoughts, or request of my obvious Intellectual inferiors. And so having said; DVD I'd like to commend you on your obvious Depth of Thought, on your Iron Clad Logic. I do hereby nominate you for the Darwin award, a Title of Distinction, that you can trust indicates you as the pinnacle of human Evolution. Oh yes, The cream does rise to the top;as they say. Oh and would you like to come with me to The Playa's annual Mensa party? You're sure to be a smash hit.

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Did I mention that I am prejudice.
Prejudice against stupid people. Stupid people of all races, genders and classes.
I am sorry to be this way but I really see no reason for stupid people to live.

what a great idea, DVD! but who gets to decide which people are stupid? there are a few around here who would consider you among them ... and this post is rather proof.

Hear, Hear! When one Claims to be prejudice, what they claim is that they are pre-disposed to being judgmental. Basically being closed to the idea of examining the facts, etymologically speaking this is a closely related concept to the word Fucktard. And DVD you're right, Stupid people should not live, they are unfit to share our air, to ever share a happy experience with another human soul. the Very Ideas and articulated thoughts that flow from their mouths are aberrations and are an affront to enlightened thought. They should go down in the oubliette to become compost so that the rest can live. I have decided this because I too am prejudice, I Have decided I will not entertain the Ideas, thoughts, or request of my obvious Intellectual inferiors. And so having said; DVD I'd like to commend you on your obvious Depth of Thought, on your Iron Clad Logic. I do hereby nominate you for the Darwin award, a Title of Distinction, that you can trust indicates you as the pinnacle of human Evolution. Oh yes, The cream does rise to the top;as they say. Oh and would you like to come with me to The Playa's annual Mensa party? You're sure to be a smash hit.

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An example of what stupid is

I can give plenty of other examples.





REAL STUPID!






EXCEPTIONALLY STUPID!

[dr.placebo]

Doc, I would be curious if there is any consideration of energy sources with these numbers. I know France, for instance, has a considerable number of nuclear plants. It would seem to my feeble mind that energy sources would take part in the efficiency analysis.

I also wonder if there is any consideration of energy produced and exported versus energy consumed and imported. I guess I'm just seeking a common denominator rather than a common numerator. I realize export/import is considered in the GDP, but since we are talking energy efficiency, would the analysis be telling if it was GDP/millionBtu consumed/person compared with Btuproduced/millionBtu consumed/person.

Mostly what I was trying to do with the original post and my follow-up is to indicate that we should be attacking waste as well as generating more (and cleaner) energy. Attacking waste ought to be not so controversial, but then I suppose just about anything can be controversial (no it isn't! yes, it is!).

The cites I gave don't directly give the energy percentages produced by various sources, but this Wiki article does:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_ener ... onsumption
I notice that the major oil producers tend to have lousy efficiencies, although there are some exceptions. Also, although France generates 3/4 of its electricity by nuclear power, it is slightly worse than Germany, which use much less nuclear power. So, the correlation with energy source is open to more examination.

What is not examined by any of the material I've cited is the cost of energy by country or by source. The information is probably out there, but I don't have time for a thorough analysis.

The whole issue of import/export gets murky when examined on a country by country basis. For example, the US has a big import/export ratio relative to China. This means that the US effectively exports energy consumption (and pollution) to China (which they voluntarily accept for the $$$). In spite of this, the US energy efficiency is below that of China.

[littleflower]

The whole issue of import/export gets murky when examined on a country by country basis. For example, the US has a big import/export ratio relative to China. This means that the US effectively exports energy consumption (and pollution) to China (which they voluntarily accept for the $$$). In spite of this, the US energy efficiency is below that of China.

i'm not sure it makes sense to compare the energy consumption of china (or any other third world country) with US energy consumption. i am close to someone from china ... i know it has changed much in the 11 years since she came to the US, but she lived in an apartment with no hot water, for instance. as their wealth increases, their energy use will increase as well.

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The whole issue of import/export gets murky when examined on a country by country basis. For example, the US has a big import/export ratio relative to China. This means that the US effectively exports energy consumption (and pollution) to China (which they voluntarily accept for the $$$). In spite of this, the US energy efficiency is below that of China.

i'm not sure it makes sense to compare the energy consumption of china (or any other third world country) with US energy consumption. i am close to someone from china ... i know it has changed much in the 11 years since she came to the US, but she lived in an apartment with no hot water, for instance. as their wealth increases, their energy use will increase as well.

China a third world country?

That's just RICH!

[dr.placebo]

China is a transitional economy; it's hard to apply traditional categories to something changing so fast. But it's quite industrialized, it's been a nuclear power for years, and it can build some very sophisticated electronics (and weapons). It is also making a bid to be the solar and wind power builder of choice, and is likely to outspend us in moving to a green(er) economy. And it still has a vast underdeveloped rural population and economy.

What I was trying to bring up is that our economy is exporting jobs, manufacturing, and energy consumption. For the level of material goods that we consume we have a somewhat rosier national energy picture than we strictly deserve, in that our energy consumption as a percentage of world consumption is artificially lowered by the trade imbalance. I'm not trying to bash the US, I'm just trying to come up with a better understanding of what we need to do to get some kind of economic and environmental health.

[littleflower]

doc, i see your point, and of course you're right ... and the situation in china is changing, as you said. my point is that as their people grow in wealth, they will grow in energy consumption .... china will change, becoming far less efficient, while the US will likely become more efficient. that vast underdeveloped rural population has a very long way to go to meet our standard of living.

when my friend last live in china, everyone rode bikes and used public transportation. now there are cars everywhere, and some of the worst pollution on the planet. people want what they want, and environmental concerns are usually not a high priority. of course, the chinese government has control in a way we can not really comprehend, and could control the environment, but their track record is terrible. they want to manufacture green technology to make money, not to improve the environment.

[dr.placebo]

One way to look at China's economic (rather than political) development is to see it as going through very rapid industrialization, with a likely rapid post-industrialization. In recent years China's leadership has become quite aware of the danger of being trapped in a 19th century industrial policy while the developed world goes into the 21st century. They are not just investing in solar and wind equipment production, they are investing in renewable power generation as well. Their leadership is terrified by what happens when rising economic expectations in China collide with peak oil in 5, 10, or even 20 years. And they ought to be.

Referring back to the graph, China currently has a very low GDP per capita, but would like to have much higher. They currently have an economic efficiency similar to Japan. I think that it is an open question as to whether they will be able to move up in GDP per capita without backsliding in efficiency. I don't know why they can't, but it won't be easy.

[littleflower]

is green technology improving at a rate comparable to china's increased oil consumption? i wouldn't think so..... also, i don't know that the chinese are terribly innovative, technologically .... don't they generally piggyback off japan and the west ...?

another factor might be government stability .... the more prosperous the population becomes, the more freedom they will likely demand. the chinese government has an interest in keeping its people down.

it's an interesting situation, for sure.

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Another proven idiot!



Ann Coulter unknowingly posing next to a book that says "I think they're using Ann Coulter's Pap smears as anti-venom" ON THE COVER! And author Paul Provenza looking understandably thrilled. ....By the way, this is a REAL PHOTO. I know people claim vampires don't show up in photos, but that is REALLY HER.




Need more proof just how stupid she is?


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[dr.placebo]

is green technology improving at a rate comparable to china's increased oil consumption? i wouldn't think so..... also, i don't know that the chinese are terribly innovative, technologically .... don't they generally piggyback off japan and the west ...?

another factor might be government stability .... the more prosperous the population becomes, the more freedom they will likely demand. the chinese government has an interest in keeping its people down.

it's an interesting situation, for sure.

Here's a Wikipedia link, although there's a lot more info out there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China

China is making a major investment in renewable energy. They are being quite aggressive about it, partly because renewable energy manufacturing is a growth market, and partly because anything else dooms them to unreliable oil imports and toxic coal burning. They may be able to make the transition without catastrophe, but it will be painful (their record on hydro is pretty dismal from an ecological perspective).

My guess is that China will continue to lag in innovation for a while, but that they have a lot of really smart people, so their strength will be in engineering and production. Not as good a position as to lead in science, but they should not be taken lightly.

The government is into control (even worse than Steve Jobs), but they have proven to be pragmatic to an extent that the old Soviet system was not. How long the people will be kept controlled is anyone's guess.

[Trishntek]

The whole issue of import/export gets murky when examined on a country by country basis. For example, the US has a big import/export ratio relative to China. This means that the US effectively exports energy consumption (and pollution) to China (which they voluntarily accept for the $$$). In spite of this, the US energy efficiency is below that of China.

i'm not sure it makes sense to compare the energy consumption of china (or any other third world country) with US energy consumption. i am close to someone from china ... i know it has changed much in the 11 years since she came to the US, but she lived in an apartment with no hot water, for instance. as their wealth increases, their energy use will increase as well.

China a third world country?

That's just RICH!

So when are you going to start expressing an opinion of your own instead of treading on everyone else?

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GOP candidate slams Apple for rejecting attack app

[knowmad]

is green technology improving at a rate comparable to china's increased oil consumption? i wouldn't think so..... also, i don't know that the chinese are terribly innovative, technologically .... don't they generally piggyback off japan and the west ...?

another factor might be government stability .... the more prosperous the population becomes, the more freedom they will likely demand. the chinese government has an interest in keeping its people down.

it's an interesting situation, for sure.

Yes ,it is a bit interesting, where does China go from here? A friend recently returned from a trip to China and he said that while the Cittys are obnoxiously dirty, and unhealthy, rural life is quite comfortable. They are in an odd place. Largest producer of consumer goods. worlds largest hydro-power source/tapped. and having signed; Antarctic-Environmental Protocol, Antarctic Treaty, Biodiversity, Climate Change, Climate Change-Kyoto Protocol, Desertification, Endangered Species, Environmental Modification, Hazardous Wastes, Law of the Sea, Marine Dumping, Ozone Layer Protection, Ship Pollution, Tropical Timber 83, Tropical Timber 94, Wetlands, Whaling (CIA.gov) Some of which The US has refused to sign.In my opinion their reliance on oil, and the positioning for future markets indicate that they will, begin a period of Reducing Trade, by demanding more Oil, and turning more inward to protect their own interest. just as the USA was attempting to do (And for the same reasons) Prior to WWII. And the repression Issue well, thats something all Goverments are into these days. How many days must the cannon balls fly?.....

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So when are you going to start expressing an opinion of your own instead of treading on everyone else?

Facts are a lot more fun. You dont care about my opinion. You care about the facts I post and it gets under your skin just as this PSA does.

Dont you wish you were this right instead of the other right?

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Here is more info about stupid people for you as shown on your favorite news station FOX. Enjoy!

[ygmir]

an open question:

would it hurt, to be civil, and respectful, even of opposing opinions?
Do insults help?
Is someone stupid, if, they don't agree with you?
Is there no possibility of an opposing viewpoint, that, is valid?
Can not the same objectives be reached, using differing methods?
In any sense, is it "ok" to wish death on someone you disagree with?
To push those who don't agree, to the fringes?
Does this not smack of exclusivity and prejudice?


just wonderin'.................

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More stupid people:

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Corexit is a product line of solvents produced by Nalco Holding Company.

One variant was used in the 1989 Exxon Valdez disaster in Alaska. In 2010, Corexit EC9500A and Corexit EC9527A were used in large quantities in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.[1] On May 19, 2010 the EPA gave BP 24 hours to choose less toxic alternatives to Corexit, selected from the list of EPA-approved dispersants on the National Contingency Plan Product Schedule, and begin applying them within 72 hours of EPA approval of their choices.[2] BP has used Corexit 9500A and Corexit 9527A thus far, applying 600,000 US gallons (2,300,000 l) on the surface and 55,000 US gallons (210,000 l) underwater.[3]



Toxicity

A version of Corexit was widely used after the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill and, according to a literature review performed by the group the Alaska Community Action on Toxics, was later linked with health impacts in people including respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders. But the Academy report makes clear that the dispersants used today are less toxic than those used a decade ago.“[5]

According to the EPA, Corexit is more toxic than dispersants made by several competitors and less effective in handling southern Louisiana crude.[9]

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an open question:

would it hurt, to be civil, and respectful, even of opposing opinions?
Do insults help?
Is someone stupid, if, they don't agree with you?
Is there no possibility of an opposing viewpoint, that, is valid?
Can not the same objectives be reached, using differing methods?
In any sense, is it "ok" to wish death on someone you disagree with?
To push those who don't agree, to the fringes?
Does this not smack of exclusivity and prejudice?


just wonderin'.................

Sorry. just answering the question. "who gets to decide which people are stupid? ".

Seems there are those that have a hard time identifying who and what is stupid and what and who is not. Just doing my share in helping identify what and who is stupid. It is necessary and someone needs to do it.
After all, it's really time in this world to put stupid people in their place. They have been making too much money and gaining too much power suckering other stupid and less than stupid people everyday these days and are fucking things up for EVERYBODY!

So yeah, excuse me for calling stupid things what they are, STUPID!
And no, you cant be civil with a stupid person. They do too many stupid things consistently. And no to your other question, one is not stupid if they don't agree with me, which makes the other questions of yours after that kinda MOOT. Smart people make mistakes and learn from their mistakes. Stupid people do stupid things constantly and dont learn shit.


Just sayin..........

[ygmir]

an open question:

would it hurt, to be civil, and respectful, even of opposing opinions?
Do insults help?
Is someone stupid, if, they don't agree with you?
Is there no possibility of an opposing viewpoint, that, is valid?
Can not the same objectives be reached, using differing methods?
In any sense, is it "ok" to wish death on someone you disagree with?
To push those who don't agree, to the fringes?
Does this not smack of exclusivity and prejudice?


just wonderin'.................

Sorry. just answering the question. "who gets to decide which people are stupid? ".

Seems there are those that have a hard time identifying who and what is stupid and what and who is not. Just doing my share in helping identify what and who is stupid. It is necessary and someone needs to do it.
After all, it's really time in this world to put stupid people in their place. They have been making too much money and gaining too much power suckering other stupid and less than stupid people everyday these days and are fucking things up for EVERYBODY!

So yeah, excuse me for calling stupid things what they are, STUPID!

I guess what I'm getting at, is, it's so subjective..........

making a blanket statement (who's stupid, what's stupid, etc), creates the impression, that, it is a "universal truth", IMHO.
And, I'd think, fair to say, there are those of good will and acceptable intellect, that, would disagree with you on various points.

And, it's not as desirable, to, enter a conversation, (especially when one disagrees), with a person who calls names and demeans opposing opinions, as opposed to refuting the opposition, and substantiating their own side.

It also seem intellectually disingenuous to use derogatory terms when confronting someone with opposing viewpoints.

This is all just my opinion, in the interest of having constructive discussion and, making points, in a civil discourse.

As stated, I enjoy some of what you post, and, know you are of high intellect and well informed.

so,







fuck off...............hahahahaa, just kiddin'.

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an open question:

would it hurt, to be civil, and respectful, even of opposing opinions?
Do insults help?
Is someone stupid, if, they don't agree with you?
Is there no possibility of an opposing viewpoint, that, is valid?
Can not the same objectives be reached, using differing methods?
In any sense, is it "ok" to wish death on someone you disagree with?
To push those who don't agree, to the fringes?
Does this not smack of exclusivity and prejudice?


just wonderin'.................

Sorry. just answering the question. "who gets to decide which people are stupid? ".

Seems there are those that have a hard time identifying who and what is stupid and what and who is not. Just doing my share in helping identify what and who is stupid. It is necessary and someone needs to do it.
After all, it's really time in this world to put stupid people in their place. They have been making too much money and gaining too much power suckering other stupid and less than stupid people everyday these days and are fucking things up for EVERYBODY!

So yeah, excuse me for calling stupid things what they are, STUPID!

I guess what I'm getting at, is, it's so subjective..........

making a blanket statement (who's stupid, what's stupid, etc), creates the impression, that, it is a "universal truth", IMHO.
And, I'd think, fair to say, there are those of good will and acceptable intellect, that, would disagree with you on various points.

And, it's not as desirable, to, enter a conversation, (especially when one disagrees), with a person who calls names and demeans opposing opinions, as opposed to refuting the opposition, and substantiating their own side.

It also seem intellectually disingenuous to use derogatory terms when confronting someone with opposing viewpoints.

This is all just my opinion, in the interest of having constructive discussion and, making points, in a civil discourse.

As stated, I enjoy some of what you post, and, know you are of high intellect and well informed.

so,







fuck off...............hahahahaa, just kiddin'.

No I hear you but here is my point, all other ways have been tried and the obvious has not.

It really is time for smart people to take as much control as possible of the stupid. Tho I think it's kinda too late.

Being passive helps no one and only makes things worse as has been proven for centuries and as of the past 8-10 years, a proven fact.

It can be summed up in one word even......BUSH!



This shit really has gotta stop and should never happen again.
Come on now, just look at this shit:

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Now please try and convince me THIS AINT STUPID?

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Stupid people come and go. Smart people hang around awhile long after the fact.

[ygmir]

for me, the fun is in the discussion.

I operate under no delusion that I can or will convince anyone of anything.

But, trading points and information, certainly, can help us make informed decisions. And, I'll (begrudgingly) admit, with enough fact and information, someone may well change anothers mind.........

as much as anything, though, the repartee is the best part.........verbal sparring, with people of good will, with whom I agree, or not. Though they be my intellectual superiors, I will stand and banter........and, hopefully, learn........

I just like polite, civil, and spirited, discourse, that's all.

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There is nothing nice or intelligent about people like this. Yet they make tons of money and are given platforms they do not deserve,

The sames happens on this board from time to time.
It should insult the intelligence of any intelligent individual to have to give the time of day to ANY idiot.

There is nothing intelligent about saying China is a third world country when it is not.
It's this attitude why America is in a world of shit of bad relations with so many countries around the world today.

[DVD Burner]

Another thing.
People like the Tea Baggers and those that think like them ARE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND VIOLENT PEOPLE.

Do you think the nice approach will actually work with them?

Dont fool yourself now.

[ygmir]

I rarely have discussions with "dangerous and violent" people...........and, no, I can't imagine, whomever I personally decide is "dangerous and violent" to me, would respond to nice, or loud and obnoxious..........ergo my unwillingness to discuss, anyway. I'm not going to change their minds.

I have friends, whom, some would say are violent and dangerous, and, some think are swell folks..........as always, it depends on POV and my personal experience with them..........I judge most, on what I know and how they treat me.........not what I hear...........

[DVD Burner]

Yeah, I should rephrase that since I too know some pretty dangerous and violent people I actually like. My ex-girlfriend as an example. LOL!

Stupid, dangerous, violent people worry me.
They are unpredictable and can do things that effect many if not all around them.