Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

[gyre]

Must be, though I can't confirm it.

They are saying that the kid started the shootout.
Don't know anything for sure though.

[gyre]

From rangemaster-

As expected, this past Friday the Tennessee legislature voted to over-ride the Governor's veto of the restaurant carry bill. The over-ride had broad bi-partisan support, passing 22-10 in the Senate and 60-30 in the House. To clear up confusion, here are some facts:

This law will not go into effect until about the end of this week. The Secretary of State has to assign it a statute number, which takes a couple of days.

The law allows valid handgun carry permit holders to carry in establishments where alcohol is served UNLESS the restaurant/bar is posted by the owner as a no-gun zone.

The international prohibited sign (gun with circle and slash) is now sufficient as a posting, if placed at all entrances.

It is still illegal to carry a gun and drink any alcohol. The penalty for drinking and carrying is a year in jail and a $2500 fine, plus loss of gun permit for three years. DO NOT drink while armed.

This is NOT unique to Tennessee, and will have no effect on tourism. There are 42 states that allow permit holders to carry where alcohol is served. Only 8 states in the whole country prohibit this.

Please help spread the truth on this issue. The media have done a real butcher job on the facts.


The old law required a very specific sign, so restaurant owners would put up the circle/cross logo to pacify paranoid people and you could still enter legally.

[Zona]

"Free Association
Psycho fucking pricks
The art of becoming is the beginning of the end
Bastard child from a rabid bitch


Go to town with a pump gun up your (cunt)
AK-47, '92 Beretta
Don't give a good God damn what you think of me
or what I do

H&K MP5
Smith & Wesson model 29
SPS Glock 17
A one man army i was born to be

Do it for kicks - show & tell
Do it for fun - shotgun shell
Do it for love - raise hell
Like hand in glove
Me and my gun

No prior violation
Let thy will be done
Give praise to this motherfucking white trash scum
Without provocation
Kill anyone
Ready for action
Whatever may come

You can blame it on the media
Circus for the stars
Music, movies or the man in mars
But I am what I am
Just as before
No fear or remorse
Evil to the core



I hate Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday - everyday
- always
Just as ordinary girl at war with the everday world


Now listen up kid -
It ain't cool to shoot up your school!"

Sing along to KMFDM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hmh--Hh0mI

Just like the song, and yes I own a few....story to follow some day(it already happened).

[Elorrum]

[FIGJAM]

Doctors vs. Gun owners

Doctors (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

(B)Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year 120,000.

Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of health and human services.

Guns (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups is 1,500.

(C)The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.

statistic courtesy of FBI

So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

FACT; NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

This means you are over 900 times more likely to be killed by a doctor as a gun owner!!!

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.

We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand!!!!


Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention!

[gyre]

Most people that die, the last person they were with, was a doctor.

Coincidence?
I think not.

[ygmir]

almost everyone who has died ate carrots at some point............

[FaeTora]

Or breathed.

[gyre]

Aha

[gyre]

Catman, if you want a 9 round 380 magazine, email me (not pm please).

About $60 for a pair.

[gyre]

The new 9 round Mecgar magazine for the 380.
Only available from Keltec right now, as far as I know.

I've been lobbying them to make this for some time.
It finally worked.
http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/cart2/produc ... cts_id=246

[gyre]

The Brady Campaign mailing list is for sale.
But their 500,000 members turn out to be 50,000.
Okay, 40,000.

http://lists.nextmark.com/market;jsessi ... &id=163065

50,581 DONORS/MEMBERS (TOTAL FILE)
40,765 DONORS/MEMBERS (24 MOS)
28,417 DONORS/MEMBERS (12 MOS)
9,590 CATHOLIC DONORS/MEMBERS (36 MOS)
5,368 JEWISH DONORS/MEMBERS (36 MOS)

Founded in 1974 (Formerly known as Handgun Control) this public citizens lobby works for legislative controls and governmental regulations on the manufacture, importation, sale, transfer, and civilian possesion of guns. Activists are individuals who have responded by mail on a gun control issue.

Average Donation $40.00.

[gyre]

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court reversed a ruling upholding Chicago's ban today and extended the reach of the 2nd Amendment as a nationwide protection against laws that infringe the "right to keep and bear arms."

The 5-4 decision appears to void the 1982 ordinance, one of the nation's strictest, which barred city residents from having handguns for their own use, even at home.

Gun-rights advocates have been closely following the Chicago case. They said a victory for the 2nd Amendment would clear the way for constitutional challenges to restrictions on firearms to be heard in federal courts nationwide.

The ruling against Chicago's ban had been widely anticipated.
The City Council could consider new gun-control measures as soon as Wednesday, Mayor Richard Daley said last week.

City Hall has been drawing up plans after the justices heard arguments in McDonald v. Chicago in early March and appeared to indicate they would rule against the city.

In an interview with the Tribune, the mayor said his primary goal would be to protect police officers, paramedics and emergency workers from being shot when responding to an incident at a home. He said he also wants to save taxpayers from the financial cost of lawsuits if police shoot someone in the house because the officer felt threatened.
"If the ban is overturned, we will see a lot of common-sense approaches in the city aimed at protecting first responders," Daley said. "We have to have some type of registry. If a first responder goes to an apartment, they need to know if that individual has a gun."

If a first responder goes to an apartment, they need to know if that individual has a gun.

What horseshit!

[cowboyangel]

I'm a liberal and this decision doesn't bother me. I wish the NRA would show some balls and go after California over assault weapons and high capacity magazines. Maybe?

[Trishntek]

I think the bigger picture of the MacDonald versus Chicago is the Supreme Court actually is now on record that the 2nd amendment provides the right to protect private property with a firearm. Would that not apply nationwide?

Would that not set a new precedent which no local authority or the feds can deny us the right to protect private property with a firearm? I know most of us assume that is the case anyway. But evidently, the Chicago law is not unique and this would overthrow more prohibitive local laws.

[gyre]

The expectation is that authorities trying to violate the spirit of the law will come up will bullshit requirements and taxes, as DC has done.

One goal is a universal reciprocity or national recognition of the inborn right to survive, ie be secure.

[ygmir]

I think the bigger picture of the MacDonald versus Chicago is the Supreme Court actually is now on record that the 2nd amendment provides the right to protect private property with a firearm. Would that not apply nationwide?

Would that not set a new precedent which no local authority or the feds can deny us the right to protect private property with a firearm? I know most of us assume that is the case anyway. But evidently, the Chicago law is not unique and this would overthrow more prohibitive local laws.

one can only hope..........

[gyre]

Cabela's has the pepperblaster on sale now for $25.
They are replacing the original with a new version, so this is a closeout.
Best price until now has been $40.
A unique tear gas system using pyro for power.
There is also a larger version, also discounted now, even from Kimber.

Should be useful for dog attacks too.


http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templ ... hasJS=true
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templ ... egory&rid=

http://www.kimberamerica.com/products/less-lethal/
http://www.pepperblaster.com/

[gyre]

If anyone needs 9mm practice ammo, this stuff was $6 yesterday.
I don't know if they will sell at that price now.
They still have Silver Bear listed under $10 though.
I found 380 at cabela's for $16 a box in brass.

http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=A919RHPN

[gyre]

This happened in a fairly good neighborhood.

Attempted robbery victim pulls gun on suspects, kills one, wounds other

MEMPHIS, TN (WMC-TV) - An attempted robbery suspect pulled out his gun, killing one of his teenage suspects in the process.

Police said the two 16-year-old suspects confronted a 21-year-old Bartlett man at the Edgewater Apartments near Sycamore View and Raleigh LaGrange around 10 p.m. Wednesday.

Police said during the robbery, one of the teenagers fired a shot at the man they were robbing. The victim, who works for a local gun range, fired back and killed one of the suspects. The other was wounded.

Gregory Arnold, a guest at the apartment complex, said the victim first played along.

"He said, OK, I'm going to give you my money," Arnold said. "They thought he was getting his wallet, and he was getting his gun."

Police said the victim of the attempted robbery was three feet away from one robber and about 10 feet from the other. He fired five shots, four of them striking the suspects.

"That's when he proceeded to shoot these people," Arnold said. "He was just protecting his family."

Police said they are investigating if the suspects are linked to other robberies.

Arnold said he hopes the suspect who survived will rethink his life.

"I think it's going to change his life, I really do," Arnold said. "He's going to hopefully teach others."

Authorities said the victim's actions appear justified. The robbery is still under investigation and charges are pending. They have not released the names of the suspects.

http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12752583

[Lassen Forge]

Reminds me of the William Shatner classic...

(Bogus link removed - please see link in posting below. Thank you. Have a nice day.)

[gyre]

Nothing here.

Keep moving.

[Lassen Forge]

Sorry - try this one...

http://www.cylive.com/content/18314/Wil ... un_Control

[gyre]

Got a 9 round Keltec 380 magazine and got a bad one, with some dings in the side.
Called Keltec and they resolved it in the usual way.
He asked me for my address and immediately sent me a replacement, with an envelope to return the faulty one.


Went ahead and got the 17 round smith and wesson magazine sold by Mecgar for the P11 9mm.
It won't fit.
Turns out that at some point they changed the curve of the sides on the 17 round for some odd reason.
It fits the bulkier smith and wesson 5900, but hits the Keltec frame.

I called Mecgar to complain, and it turns out that only the 17 round is like this, but it is the most desirable magazine, being the compact version with the spiral wound spring (same as the 12 round flush Keltec magazine).
It is only marginally longer than the 15 round magazine.
The 20 round is conventional and is over an inch longer.

I tried to prevail on Mecgar to fix this issue, considering the large market of Keltec P-11s out there.

They promised to pass on the request to Italy, and even though I didn't order directly from them, sent me a 15 and 20 round magazine, which I can confirm fit with no problems.
And the usual beautiful quality.
The 17 and 15 round mags are in nickel.

Best thing is with the Keltec grip on the 15 round, you have a full hand grip on a subcompact gun.
It's a great fit.
The 20 round is about 1 1/8" longer than the 15 round.
Not ridiculously long for a backup mag, though it wouldn't fit well in a holster.

The 17 round is such a great magazine, that we have been doing some measuring.
We think the only difference is on the sides of the magazine.
We are going to cast metal into the magazine and use that as a backing to shape the sharp angle on the sides, hopefully without changing the feed geometry any.

[gyre]

The new 9 round magazine for the Keltec 380 is a plastic casting on the end of the Mecgar 6 round magazine.
It forms a full hand grip on this microgun.
There is a little bit of play until you tighten up your grip.
I haven't had a chance to fire it yet, but it looks like gun control will be considerably enhanced.

I think this makes a great gun for those who feel unwilling to carry a 9mm for weight or control reasons, but need a full grip.
It is still exceedingly light and thin.

Now that Keltec has a good Mecgar magazine at 9 rounds, I find several 380 mags from promag and one other company.
Quality will be considerably less, but I don't know why I couldn't locate them before.
Promag has a 10 and 15 round for the 380.

[gyre]

I got the finger extension for the 380, which replaces the floor plate on the standard magazine and allows you to get two fingers on the grip with better efficiency.

While sliding off the floor plate to replace it, it stuck and then suddenly popped off.
The spring and retainer plate popped out, hit me in the head and ricocheted off behind things I can't get to right now.
Gone.
Magazines are fairly ineffective without the spring.

Keltec service didn't even laugh at this and even though it wasn't their fault, their usual response, sent me the parts right away.
No charge.

[gyre]

We had someone break into a house yesterday, and shot the dog.

I noted this, because I almost never hear of a dog being injured in a burglary.
They never seem to make a difference, yet people seem to think they do.
If a dog isn't trained to bark only at important things, and there is someone to respond, I can think of few times they matter in residential burglary.

[ygmir]

I'd disagree about the dog.......
if, you know your dog, you can tell the difference in barks depending on the situation.......
My dog alerted me once.........to a stranger walking around my property, because I recognized the "stranger alert" bark.

I snuck up on him, and, surprised him with "what are you doing"? loud, low, and slowly spoken.......

he was about 5'6' and, a skinny crack head looking fellow.

He said "nothing"!

I suggested, for his continued survival, he leave by the closeste, quickest route, or, I may have to persuade him with the 2" pipe I was holding.

[gyre]

By whatever means, your dog alerts you to things of interest, so you respond.
That does work.

Multiple dogs, in a complex environment where they have full access, can be effective on their own.
That is rarely the case in a residence.
More likely in a rural location though.

We installed an alarm in a house that had had trained afghan wolfhounds, expensive too.
They were left hogtied in the living room.
Every house we installed an alarm in, had been protected by a dog during a burglary.

I went shopping for a dog, and found one so effective, I was afraid to use it.
Female dog, rejected training, but preferred to hide in grass and lie in wait for someone coming over the fence.
Silent dog.
Beware the silent dog.

And without full perimeter fencing, the dog could only protect the rear of the house.

[can't sit still]

I have a friend in a rural area. She raises , breeds and shows dogs. She has 50 dogs, some goats, guinea hens, chickens, horses, etc. She can tell what's moving around by which animals respond. The guinea hens will actually strafe a stranger.