Just Asking

[unjonharley]

You seem to have a predetermined prejudice here UH.
So is it an honest question, your asking for thought?
Or just trolling to bash whoever?

Personally I hate atheists who belittle others faith as much as I do bible thumpers who DEMAND that I must believe as they do.

Just flip sides of the same fucking coin.

I did not say I was a nonbeliver. This question was put to me. Suddenly it occured. It defies logic to beleive in what dose not exsist.

But then do you believe that there may be life beyond ours here?
Hell I hope there is, it seems like it would be a BIG waste of space if we are all there is.

I have been in direct contact with a unnatural.. I have been seen reconized and spoken to in one place while my body was home in bed. This has happen a few times over a long life time.

Logic would be, there is more out there than can be imagined.

[unjonharley]

You seem to have a predetermined prejudice here UH.
So is it an honest question, your asking for thought?
Or just trolling to bash whoever?

Personally I hate atheists who belittle others faith as much as I do bible thumpers who DEMAND that I must believe as they do.

Just flip sides of the same fucking coin.

I did not say I was a nonbeliver. This question was put to me. Suddenly it occured. It defies logic to beleive in what dose not exsist.

But then do you believe that there may be life beyond ours here?
Hell I hope there is, it seems like it would be a BIG waste of space if we are all there is.

I have been in direct contact with a unnatural.. I have been seen reconized and spoken to in one place while my body was home in bed. This has happen a few times over a long life time.

Logic would be, there is more out there than can be imagined.

[theCryptofishist]

I did not say I was a nonbeliver. This question was put to me. Suddenly it occured. It defies logic to beleive in what dose not exsist.

But then do you believe that there may be life beyond ours here?
Hell I hope there is, it seems like it would be a BIG waste of space if we are all there is.

I have been in direct contact with a unnatural.. I have been seen reconized and spoken to in one place while my body was home in bed. This has happen a few times over a long life time.

Logic would be, there is more out there than can be imagined.

The universe is not only queerer than we suppose, it's queerer than we can suppose.
It's as close as I come to a creed.

[gyre]

that's a pessimist's argument .... there is also much beauty. we focus where we will.
there is a great deal in life that defies logic....

Yes, there is beauty. and things that are beautiful are beautiful for solidly logical reasons. And I don't know what you are referring to when you say "defies logic." My experience is that those things are actually the result of misapplied logic.

Ediited to add: And I pretty much call it a realist's argument. There is something kind of pathetic in clinging to what cannot save you, not "optimistic."

are you suggesting that beauty is objective?

I think so, though it is mostly objective in very personal ways.

One universal is symmetry, deeply genetically based.
And there is research into some proportional ratios.

The drives that cause our tastes to develop are derived from those sources.
We can make it as complicated as we like, after that.

Smiles are also a universal and are genetically based, and seem to be part of the survival mechanism.

So...yes and no?


Know yourself.

Maybe the real goal of life
and the greatest challenge.

[unjonharley]

But then do you believe that there may be life beyond ours here?
Hell I hope there is, it seems like it would be a BIG waste of space if we are all there is.

No, do you have any idea what you would be doing forever and ever?

[FaeTora]

Trying to get angels to give me lap dances.

[ygmir]

yeah, to me, an argument can be made, that, "faith" is the only real thing, because, it requires no proof.

I use "faith", not in anything or anyone in particular, but, as taking some things at face value, and, just going with it. Believing it's true, without requiring the mechanics.

Any concept, it seems, that is scientific, on some level, comes apart......can't be explained, or, is understood, as relates to certain "givens"...........

My spirituality has nothing to do with showing me how I "should" live, but, more it shows and allows me, to make my way through life. How to use what is here, and there, in living life.

[unjonharley]

Trying to get angels to give me lap dances.

Acording to the bible,, Angels are all male. Also they like earth tang. They got caught with there robes down and ban from ever coming back.

This shoots another hole in the christmas store.

[FaeTora]

I never said I was going to be an angel. Just mischievious.

[unjonharley]

I never said I was going to be an angel. Just mischievious.

sorry, you will be singing and praising nonstop forever..

[gyre]

I like the 'Green Pastures' theory of the afterlife.
Supposed to be based on real beliefs of the time.
Eggnog and fish frys in heaven.
Could be worse.

And I like the 'Dead Like Me' ideas of the afterlife too.
Plenty of banality and plenty of mystery, just like real life.

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[littleflower]

Yes, there is beauty. and things that are beautiful are beautiful for solidly logical reasons. And I don't know what you are referring to when you say "defies logic." My experience is that those things are actually the result of misapplied logic.

Ediited to add: And I pretty much call it a realist's argument. There is something kind of pathetic in clinging to what cannot save you, not "optimistic."

are you suggesting that beauty is objective?

I think so, though it is mostly objective in very personal ways.

One universal is symmetry, deeply genetically based.
And there is research into some proportional ratios.

The drives that cause our tastes to develop are derived from those sources.
We can make it as complicated as we like, after that.

Smiles are also a universal and are genetically based, and seem to be part of the survival mechanism.

So...yes and no?


Know yourself.

Maybe the real goal of life
and the greatest challenge.

ie, beauty is not objective .... !

i remember one of my art teachers lecturing on what makes art great ...
anyone can make a pretty picture .... but does that make it a beautiful picture?
the greatest art breaks the rules.
a favorite example is donatello's mary magdalene ....



it's not pretty, but it is considered very beautiful by a great many .... and often for reasons that are very illogical.
the same can be said for any number of things. people can find beauty in some very strange places.

[unjonharley]

Orphanages were run by churches.. Odd how a punch in the face can make you forget the pain of kneeling for hours. Is'nt that a CIA brain washing thing? Couple more kicks or head smacks and you believe what you are told.

[FaeTora]

Life is Art and Art is life. Art though is subjective. Its a large part of the modernist movement. The urinal upside down and signed, if art to only one man is art. Woman with Weights by Vermeer



or Artemisia's Judith Slaying



or Magritte's Pipe are all art because someone called them art. Your child's finger paintings, your nephews writings, the random closet on the playa are all art because thats what it is to one person.

Faith is no different. beauty is no different. It can all be degraded or lead to wars or mishaps or what have you.

Personally, I believe I might be wrong, but I will live my life as I see fit. I don't know if there is an afterlife. The only thing that scares me about death is even if their is an afterlife or we get reincarnated or there is nothing, I won't have my memories which means I loose everyone I loved and everyone that loved me. Faith won't change that.

[unjonharley]

Personally, I believe I might be wrong, but I will live my life as I see fit. I don't know if there is an afterlife. The only thing that scares me about death is even if their is an afterlife or we get reincarnated or there is nothing, I won't have my memories which means I loose everyone I loved and everyone that loved me. Faith won't change that.

love now..

i lose my love to death but lives on through the kids

[FaeTora]

I did. I lost her a year ago.

And I still do. I have my sister and my neices and nephews and my cats. And I have the memories. They weight nothing but are worth more than gold.

[Trishntek]

There was a time when religion was a major part of my life. The fundamental truths are eternal. Mankind, like everything else, has to make much more of it than it should be.

I've personally found my balance in life and try real hard not to take life too seriously.

Most great people in our history had belief in a Being greater than self. Character qualities like honesty, integrity, generosity and sensitivity to other's needs are embedded in most belief systems. Nothing wrong with that IMHO. Seems today distortion of the truth, corruption, selfishness and greed have taken leadership in our culture.