NO KIDS ALLOWED!

[Sham]

Once a question is asked of a pediatrician about whether or not a child could be brought out to a dusty area like the Black Rock Desert, you can be sure to get a "safe and predictable" answer on this subject. Any doctor is going to give you the safest, liability cautious answer. They can't go wrong telling you to keep the children home and away from any type of harm that this event may pose to your little angel. They may even suggest bubble wrapping the kid until they are 18.

You can spot the parents heeding these warnings at any food market. They are the ones scubbing down the handles of the shopping carts with anti bacterial wipes before little Trever or Buffey is allowed to touch it.

If you ask the question of a doctor and they say it's alright to bring the kids, and then years later they have a lung problem, there are lawsuits pending. Therefore any doctor will tell you to be safe and not bring the children. No chance now of ever being sued since he told you not to take them.

[Kinetik V]

Shambala, I respectfully have to disagree on that last one. The pediatrician I take my son to does not take the safe and predictable route. She takes the real world approach. In Nebraska the question of infants and dust comes up around harvest time when farmers will put a baby up in a combine to go harvest corn or soybeans and she's been asked about exposing a child to the noise and the dust. She didn't recommend bubbles, she did recommend cloth sheets and other tricks to make do as having a parent stay home to babysit a child is not an option. By the standards of a suburban helicopter parent she is giving bad advice. By Nebraska standards she's got a waiting list for patients in the triple digits.

[Sanddog42]

I don't even understand why you care about children's health on the playa. Unless you're bringing your own kids, it's not your concern.

Really? You really don't get that?...Hm...

[theCryptofishist]

I don't even understand why you care about children's health on the playa. Unless you're bringing your own kids, it's not your concern.

:? Really? You really don't get that?...Hm...

I'd be pretty careful about that, Sanddog. Motherhood seems to be this place where perfect strangers deem themselves experts at raising your kids, and have no shame about telling you. In the BART station, on the street, in retail outlets, in the neighborhood; mothers are assumed straight out, by self-appointed child development experts to be essentially incompetent and in desperate need of advice. It's sort of a sick phenomena. I think it has to do with the low place that women in general and mothers in particular have in this culture.
The worst thing is how easy it is to fall into that particular trap.

[theCryptofishist]

Also Das Bus is right. One of the key defenses against LE classifying this event as a rave is the presence of families with children, and camps like Kidsville that offer even the most jaded LE veteran with an agenda proof positive that it's more than just a fancy, well funded rave in the desert..

Something that bears thinking about.

[Das Bus]

I don't even understand why you care about children's health on the playa. Unless you're bringing your own kids, it's not your concern.

Really? You really don't get that?...Hm...

I'd be pretty careful about that, Sanddog. Motherhood seems to be this place where perfect strangers deem themselves experts at raising your kids, and have no shame about telling you. In the BART station, on the street, in retail outlets, in the neighborhood; mothers are assumed straight out, by self-appointed child development experts to be essentially incompetent and in desperate need of advice. It's sort of a sick phenomena. I think it has to do with the low place that women in general and mothers in particular have in this culture.
The worst thing is how easy it is to fall into that particular trap.

Thank you Crypto. You hit the nail right on the head.

[Isotopia]

Still doesn't justify the accusatory "here for the sex, here for the drugs" accusation you flippantly hurled.

[Das Bus]

Still doesn't justify the accusatory "here for the sex, here for the drugs" accusation you flippantly hurled.

Oh right. Like YOU'VE always been a ray of sunshine!

[Sanddog42]

I don't even understand why you care about children's health on the playa. Unless you're bringing your own kids, it's not your concern.

Really? You really don't get that?...Hm...

I'd be pretty careful about that, Sanddog. [...]

Thank you Crypto. You hit the nail right on the head.

What is it you think I should be careful about? I didn't say anything about anyone's parenting.

[gyre]

How dare you care about children?


That's the argument?!!!!

Okay

[Kinetik V]

I think this would be a great time for a bacon break. I hope this is enough bacon...



What am I thinking? One can never have too much bacon!

[theCryptofishist]

I don't even understand why you care about children's health on the playa. Unless you're bringing your own kids, it's not your concern.

:? Really? You really don't get that?...Hm...

I'd be pretty careful about that, Sanddog. [...]

Thank you Crypto. You hit the nail right on the head.

What is it you think I should be careful about? I didn't say anything about anyone's parenting.

Then please explain. Becasue I thought you said that someone else doing that was justified.

[Clar-i-ty]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTxr2NJHa0[/youtube]

[Sanddog42]

I don't even understand why you care...

Really? You really don't get that?...Hm...

I'd be pretty careful about that, Sanddog. [...]

What is it you think I should be careful about? I didn't say anything about anyone's parenting.

Then please explain. Becasue [sic] I thought you said that someone else doing that was justified.

I don't know how you got that idea.

By way of explanation: I think it's the most natural thing in the world to care about the well-being of others, especially children, even if they are not your own.

I find it odd that Das Bus doesn't understand that.

[theCryptofishist]

Okay. I misread the post. Sorry

[Isotopia]

I think it's the most natural thing in the world to care about the well-being of others, especially children, even if they are not your own.

I think creepy Yoga Farmer feels the same way.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9W7Qo1T6M[/youtube]



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[ygmir]

where have I seen the vid before?.........still creepy........

[theCryptofishist]

where have I seen the vid before?.........still creepy........

Are you sure you didn't post it in the bar on saturday morning?

[Elderberry]

Here's another one of those threads I probably shouldn't have clicked on...I'm leaving before I get myself in big trouble.

JK

[ygmir]

where have I seen the vid before?.........still creepy........

Are you sure you didn't post it in the bar on saturday morning?

haha, well, no, I'm pretty sure..........I did post a weird one a week or so back..........

[ygmir]

Here's another one of those threads I probably shouldn't have clicked on...I'm leaving before I get myself in big trouble.

JK

[Simon of the Playa]

kidsville, it ain't what it used to be....

[Roberto Dobbisano]

[bx1]

I think there many places kids can go as long as their parents are responsible. It's not Burning Man (if you think its a bad place, then why do you come?), its just that parents need to look after their children no matter where they are.

Besides, it seems to me a lot of people who think BM is not a place for kids are same people slammin drugs, gettin wasted, and partying all night (all of which are things you should not do if you have children to look out for). Thats my two cents... Anyone have change?

[Herring]

I'd rather take my kids to Burning Man than some warped hyper-commercial theme park where everything is over-sanitized, over-priced, and frankly, where sexual predators know they have easy targets.

Growing up I went to clothing optional beaches and saw belly dancers and attended ren faires and don't feel that I was warped or lost my innocence early or in any way. The stuff on film and television is way worse than anything that happens at festivals.

I'd rather raise my kids with a love of art and music and their bodies and community than have them tied to leashes in the mall afraid of strangers.

[MyDearFriend]

I'd rather raise my kids with a love of art and music and their bodies and community than have them tied to leashes in the mall afraid of strangers.

Exactly right. Fear of strangers just leaves kids helpless in an emergency.

My kids started chatting with winos on the street as soon as they could talk, and now at age 20 & 17 can set off alone in a strange city and come back with whatever they were looking for, and maybe something they weren't: "Mom, that pawn shop has guitar picks for ten cents each!"

We took them to Disney World too, though, and it was nice to not have to worry about what they might find in the gutters...

[FIGJAM]

Just the way I like it.

[MyDearFriend]

Just the way I like it.

Awesome. I am going to come looking for you in, oh about 7 months...

[Trishntek]

Looks like you were looking due East about 1;30 or 2 PM. What am I missing?

[FIGJAM]

You are correct sir!

5:00 spoke, west side, almost to H.

Why do you ask?

Do you mean what was I looking at?

The naighbor that did the art on my shirt wanted a pic and that happened to be where I was standing.

I'm glad he email me a copy as its the only pics I have.