Tranporting Gas

HuDannie · Post by **HuDannie** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:08 am

"Much", your fucking awesome!!!! thank u for your kind words, much love.

Post by **Sham** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:10 am

Well HuDannie, it sounds like you got the answers that guide you in the right direction.
That was a great question to post here and I hope it helps you and others reading it to understand how important fuel transport/storage safety is.
Threads like this will be searched and read often, and who knows how many lives you've saved by doing this.

See you on the playa!

CapSmashy · Post by **CapSmashy** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:41 am

Biggest gasoline fireball I was ever party to being set off was a paltry 5 gallon, 25 foot high, 40 foot long wall of black and fiery red and orange goodness that we blew from a tanker truck getting torched by Kevin Sorbo on a horrible indie movie.

55 gallons going up would be magnificent.

Elliot · Post by **Elliot** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:50 am

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It was, but I think they used more than 55 gallons.

CapSmashy · Post by **CapSmashy** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:51 am

Yep, that was real purdy to watch.

And yep, just a touch more than 55 gallons.

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:56 am

ygmir wrote:ok, so, I paint the steel drum red. and, the HDPE inner drum red.
I just like the idea of having one drum inside the other, so, if the inner one, in any fashion, were to leak, it'd be contained in the outer one.
and, the outer one provides a modicum of shade, for the actual fuel container.

how's that sound?

Something about a container-in-a-container worries me a little, since it creates an enclosed place for vapor to accumulate and wait for a passing spark....I'm a little paranoid about gas though. Planning on bringing a supplementary can for "The Loneliest Road", but I don't like to have it in the car with me!

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:10 am

robotland wrote:
ygmir wrote:ok, so, I paint the steel drum red. and, the HDPE inner drum red.
I just like the idea of having one drum inside the other, so, if the inner one, in any fashion, were to leak, it'd be contained in the outer one.
and, the outer one provides a modicum of shade, for the actual fuel container.

how's that sound?
Something about a container-in-a-container worries me a little, since it creates an enclosed place for vapor to accumulate and wait for a passing spark....I'm a little paranoid about gas though. Planning on bringing a supplementary can for "The Loneliest Road", but I don't like to have it in the car with me!

yeah, I know what you mean..........but, they want a containment system, in case of leaks........and, that seems so perfect.
I may re-think it, and gets tons of 5 gal cans.........

Elliot · Post by **Elliot** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:34 am

I have never fully understood the rule about secondary containment for 20 gallons or more. (Am I right? 20 gallons? I'm old and forgetful.) Does it refer to the total quantity in the owner's possession, or does it refer to individual containers?

It is an issue similar to something I have run into in the trucking industry -- we sometimes haul considerable amounts of BBQ lighter fluid with no haz mat placards because the stuff is in these tiny little individual containers. (Called "consumer quantities".) Same with whole truck loads of acid-filled car batteries. Not HM. But there are "letters of rule clarification" and such silly documents involved, to show Barney Fife if need be. (No, not you Yg.)

I suppose a quick e-mail to the right BM desk would answer it.

phil · Post by **phil** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:58 am

Elliot wrote:I have never fully understood the rule about secondary containment for 20 gallons or more. (Am I right? 20 gallons? I'm old and forgetful.) Does it refer to the total quantity in the owner's possession, or does it refer to individual containers?

There may be more information here, where the rule is stated:
http://www.burningman.com/installations ... orage.html

It may not be BMORg's rule, by the way. It may be Nevada's; I have no idea where it originated.

Elliot · Post by **Elliot** » Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:05 am

Any collection of 20 gallons or more of flammable liquid must be kept within a secondary containment area.

Ah... that would seem to answer it. The key word is "collection". I had failed to note that before. I guess I'll bring three 5-gallon cans and one 4-gallon can. Or arrange some secondary containment.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:27 am

Elliot wrote:When I become Emperor Of The World, I am going to make everyone use proper terminology to describe fuels and other dangerous Stuffs. There are so many kinds of "gas" out there.

The "gas" most automobiles run on is Gasoline. (And gasoline is not even a gas; it is a liquid.)

Why the Brits use "petrol."