israel, judaism, jews and zionism

[can't sit still]

You complain about "jew bashing". Much of what I post is from the mouths of jews. Often, very prominent ones;
"We had long since concluded that Israel had been exaggerating the Arab “threatâ€

[Sham]

Interesting cut and paste. I hope this closed minded goober can understand it. I'm not sure if this was posted before since I read very little here.
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The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000, or 20% of the world population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz.

Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat

Physics:
1990 - Elias James Corey
1999 - Ahmed Zewail

Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or abou t 0.02% of the world population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloc h
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charle s Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. He eger

Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jaco b
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis

The Jews are not demonstrating with their dead on the streets, yelling and chanting and asking for revenge; the Jews are not promoting brain washing the children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselv es up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims.

The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics; the Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

The Jews don't have the economic strength of petroleum, nor the possibilities to force the world's media to see "their side" of the question.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

[can't sit still]

Shambala,, excellent post. Though I do believe that we should leave out the various recipients of the Nobel peace prize. Arafat was a billionaire who was willing to let the Palestinians starve as long as he could play political football with them. Almost everyone on the list had a LOT of blood on their hands.
One jew that I didn't see on the list is Teller. He's the father of the hydrogen bomb. Where would the world be without the hydrogen bomb?
"promoting brain washing the children in military training camps"
All israelis are required to do military service. Brainwashing is part of military service.

"death to all the Infidels. " Many of the jewish hard-liners have called for just that. Unlike the Palestinians, israel has the means to carry out this threat.
"The Jews don't have the economic strength of petroleum" They do control a large part of world banking. This is far more lucrative than petroleum.

" nor the possibilities to force the world's media to see "their side" of the question" Since they control the Anglo-American media, they get what they need as far as munitions, political support and material support. The support gets partially recycled to AIPAC as campaign contributions to buy almost all of our politicians.

"Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews"
You're absolutely right. Perhaps the jews shouldn't have blown up the Palestinian university.
The muslims are stuck in the 11th century or some other place. They have turned their backs on education for the most part.

One can backtrack for centuries to show attacks on both sides. The Spanish inquisition was a huge persecution of the jews. If we concentrate on later dates, we find that there was peace in Palestine in the 40s.
The U.S. used "manifest destiny" to justify extermination of the Red man.
The waves of immigrants from Europe to Palestine did about the same thing to get land. There were massacres of hundreds of Arab villages by jewish immigrants.

I still maintain that the criminal acts are the work of the zionist mindset, NOT the jews. Here's some quotes from David Ben-Gurion;
"By these will the State be judged, by the moral character it imparts to its citizens, by the human values determining its inner and outward relations, and by its fidelity, in thought and act, to the supreme behest: "and thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." Here is crystallized the eternal law of Judaism, and all the written ethics in the world can say no more. The State will be worthy of its name only if its systems, social and economic, political and legal, are based upon these imperishable words. They are more than a formal precept which can be construed as passive or negative: not to deprive, not to rob, not to oppress, not to hurt. "

If he is correct about "the eternal law of judaism" , the destruction is not a product of judaism.
Ben-Gurion was a soldier. Soldiers tend to speak with MUCH less deception than politicians;
"There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"
So, the Palestinians fight. Not a big surprise. The waves of European immigrants stole their land.
From Ha'aretz; “What happened to the Palestinians in 1948 is Israel’s original sin…Between the 1950s and 1976, the state systematically confiscated most of the land of its remaining Palestinian citizens.â€

[can't sit still]

OK, where did I leave off?
"The Jews don't hijack planes,"
You get that one on a technicality.
The evidence that building 7 was mined ahead of time is incontrovertible. Larry said "we pulled it" How many ways are there to interpret that statement?
By extension, the twin towers must have been mined also. Buildings don't just fall on their own footprint.
The former head of all U.S. military intelligence and the former head of the war college both came out and said that the U.S. military knows that MOSSAD did the attack in New York. Neither of us have the info that they have. All the security camera footage of the Pentagon is a good example.
The existing info in the public domain is more than enough to show that the attack was far too sophisticated to have been carried out by simple hijackers. Cheney's role and orders are a particularly glaring example of the complicity of Americans also. The final responsibility for the attack rests with israel, NOT some stupid hijackers recruited by MOSSAD.

[can't sit still]

Well, the world is once more at a cross roads. An attack on Iran could be very serious. They have a lot of Russian backing. They have a lot o very good missiles. Here's a couple of things to ponder;
"Bolton cited the 1981 Israeli attack on Saddam Hussein's Osirak reactor outside Baghdad and the September 2007 Israeli attack on a North Korean reactor being built in Syria. Both of those strikes came before fuel rods were loaded into those reactors."
"So if it's going to happen in Bushehr it has to happen before the fuel rods go in," Bolton said. "
"John Bolton: Russia's Loading of Nuke Fuel Into Iran Plant Means Aug. 21 Deadline for Israeli Attack"
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/John--B ... ode=A80B-1
There is speculation that israel will try to do a precision attack that won't involve a lot of collateral damage. If israel loaded a "bunker-buster bomb" in an ICBM, that could be possible. Russia and Turkey both have missiles stationed to protect Iran. I can't imagine israel sneaking in enough firepower to carry out their mission.
There is also speculation that israel wants to start the whole thing and drag in the US. Since D.C. is owned by AIPAC, there is a distinct possibility of this happening.

There is always the danger of this blowing out of control and lighting up other countries. Egypt and Lebanon come to mind. A widespread mid-east war might set off the masses in Saudi to revolt against the royal family.
The israelis already demonstrated stunning stupidity in their actions with Turkey. I do hope that they will avoid starting a war with iran. They can close the Straights of Hormuz as easily as the Suez was closed years ago.
Such a closure would cause a worldwide panic for oil and a worldwide economic collapse.

[can't sit still]

Israel could be a viable country. They just have SO many factions that just won't get along. Israeli diplomats went on strike because of pay. Then MOSSAD became strike-breakers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... spute.html
Now the diplomats are boycotting MOSSAD.
That doesn't take into account the non-governmental factions. The settlers won't listen to anyone. The IDF evidently won't listen to the diplomatic corp. The hardliners want to have a perfect theocracy. The Khazars want to kill everyone;


Everyone is talking about war;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=20584
The Christian Science Monitor says that israel will attack Iran. The Atlantic says that they won't; http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-E ... of-success

Many are starting to consider that israel may be forced back to the 1949 borders;
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-a ... anoia.html
In February of 1947, the British GOV declared that Palestine was ungovernable. This may still be true today.

[deathray]

Why did Israel attack the US flagged ship USS Liberty in the 60s and try to sink her? All evidence shows that Israel knew it was a US navy ship.

[gyre]

To keep the end of the war secret.

[can't sit still]

As you all know, Iran controls the Straights of Hormuz and Yemen controls the Vale of Tears. Both are choke-points for about 85 % of the shipments of petroleum out of the Middle East. Recently, israel ordered big stockpiles of fuel for it's military. There is speculation about what all the fuel is for;
"The only conclusion one can draw, if Israel is not planning to actually invade Iran, which, clearly, it could not, is that Israel is planning to use the gasoline and the diesel fuel for some other ground incursion – and that can only mean an invasion of Lebanon and possibly the Gaza and West Bank when an attack against Iran is launched."
http://lataan.blogspot.com/2010/08/isra ... -fuel.html

It appears that israel is trying to provoke Lebanon. This may or may not be a search for an excuse to open a wider war. I can't think of any constructive reasons to do airstrikes in lebanon;
http://lataan.blogspot.com/2010/08/isra ... ation.html
time will tell.

[Trishntek]

Soooooo there's just no possible way they may be preparing to defend themselves? They certainly cannot depend on the U.S. for anything these days. If I was surrounded by countries that seek my demise, I would surely be stocking the shelves and preparing for the worst.

For 12M people, they sure seem to have power and influence in abundance! I would simply like to know how they even convinced KSM and Osama bin Laden to claim responsibility for 9/11. That is amazing influence indeed!

[gyre]

What's KSM?

[Mosin]

What's KSM?

Khalid Shaykh Muhammad

And btw/ according to this week's Time Magazine cover story, Israelis aren't interested in peace with the Palestinians. Worth a read...

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 02,00.html (abridged version)

[can't sit still]

This is a list of "interactions" between israel and the U.N.


UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992

1. Resolution 106: "...'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"
2. Resolution 111: "...'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
3. Resolution 127: "...'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"
4. Resolution 162: "...'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"
5. Resolution 171: "....determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"
6. Resolution 228: "...'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
7. Resolution 237: "...'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
8. Resolution 248: "...'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
9. Resolution 250: "...'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
10. Resolution 251: "...'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
11. Resolution 252: "...'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
12. Resolution 256: "...'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation"
13. Resolution 259: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
14. Resolution 262: "...'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
15. Resolution 265: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
16. Resolution 267: "...'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
17. Resolution 270: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
18. Resolution 271: "...'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
19. Resolution 279: "...'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
20. Resolution 280: "...'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"
21. Resolution 285: "...'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
22. Resolution 298: "...'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"
23. Resolution 313: "...'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
24. Resolution 316: "...'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
25. Resolution 317: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
26. Resolution 332: "...'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"
27. Resolution 337: "...'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"
28. Resolution 347: "...'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
29. Resolution 425: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
30. Resolution 427: "...'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon"
31. Resolution 444: "...'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
32. Resolution 446: "...'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
33. Resolution 450: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
34. Resolution 452: "...'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
35. Resolution 465: "...'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"
36. Resolution 467: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"
37. Resolution 468: "...'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
38. Resolution 469: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"
39. Resolution 471: "...'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
40. Resolution 476: "...'reiterates' that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'"
41. Resolution 478: "...'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"
42. Resolution 484: "...'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
43. Resolution 487: "...'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"
44. Resolution 497: "...'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
45. Resolution 498: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
46. Resolution 501: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
47. Resolution 509: "...'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
48. Resolution 515: "...'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
49. Resolution 517: "...'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
50. Resolution 518: "...'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
51. Resolution 520: "...'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut"
52. Resolution 573: "...'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters"
53. Resolution 587: "...'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
54. Resolution 592: "...'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
55. Resolution 605: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians"
56. Resolution 607: "...'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
57. Resolution 608: "...'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
58. Resolution 636: "...'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians"
59. Resolution 641: "...'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians"
60. Resolution 672: "...'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount"
61. Resolution 673: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations"
62. Resolution 681: "...'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians"
63. Resolution 694: "...'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return"
64. Resolution 726: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians"
65. Resolution 799: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return."

(From Findley's Deliberate Deceptions, 1998 pages 188 - 192) The following are the resolutions vetoed by the United States during the period of September, 1972, to May, 1990 to protect Israel from council criticism:

1. "....condemned Israel's attack against Southern against southern Lebanon and Syria..."
2. "....affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections..."
3. "....condemned Israel's air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians..."
4. "....called for self-determination of Palestinian people..."
5. "....deplored Israel's altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city by most world nations and the United Nations..."
6. "....affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people..."
7. "....endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people..."
8. "....demanded Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights..."
9. "....condemned Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva convention protocols of civilized nations..."
10. "....condemned an Israeli soldier who shot eleven Moslem worshippers at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount near Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem..."
11. "....urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon..."
12. "....urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Beirut..."
13. "....urged cutoff of economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon..."
14. "....condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace..."
15. "....deplores Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urges its withdrawal..."
16. "....condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli 'Iron Fist' policy of repression...."
17. "....denounced Israel's violation of human rights in the occupied territories..."
18. "....deplored Israel's violence in southern Lebanon..."
19. "....deplored Israel's activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem that threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites..."
20. "....condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan passenger airplane..."
21. "....deplored Israel's attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon..."
22. "....called on Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian intifada that violated the rights of occupied Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions, and to formalize a leading role for the United Nations in future peace negotiations..."
23. "....urged Israel to accept back deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention, and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices..."
24. "....condemned Israel's... incursion into Lebanon..."
25. "....deplored Israel's... commando raids on Lebanon..."
26. "....deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian intifada and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians..."
27. "....deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians..."
28. "....demanded that Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian intifada..."
29. "....called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli-occupied lands..."

(From Findley's Deliberate Deceptions, 1998 pages 192 - 194)

[Trishntek]

And we all know the U.N. is a pillar of integrity.

[gyre]

U.N. soldiers were killed by israel in horrific fashion during the six day war, in the same period the USS Liberty was bombed and strafed.

This sort of thing makes for poor public relations with the U.N.

[Mosin]

U.N. soldiers were killed by israel in horrific fashion during the six day war, in the same period the USS Liberty was bombed and strafed.

This sort of thing makes for poor public relations with the U.N.

The 1996 Qana Massacre didn't help much either... or the repeat in 2006.

[caveatlector]

I welcome open and free discussion about the State of Israel, and the questionable foreign and domestic policies of that state-- which is what I was (vainly) hoping I'd get here in this discussion.

Unfortunately, I've seen typical anti-semetic screed, in particular the citing the proven-fraudulent Protocols of Zion.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -zion.html

Seriously, is a Burning Man discussion board the place to spread this kind of ignorant hatred unabated?

I'm terribly disappointed in this community.

[gunsmith]

OMG!!

Thanks alot, now I have to agree with caveatlector!

LOL! "building 7 was mined" hahahahahah
smoke a lot of chemtrails lately? hahahahah paging infowars.

Israel has a right to exist and besides that, a ton of hot babes live there.

Long live Israel!

[goathead]

Seriously, is a Burning Man discussion board the place to spread this kind of ignorant hatred unabated?

I'm terribly disappointed in this community.

What better place to have it?
very few of us are PC, and have no problem with confronting crap.
this thread has just gotton so old, and css is like the energizer bunny with this shit.

maybe we need a real effort at thread drift in here.....

[can't sit still]

"spread this kind of ignorant hatred"
This thread enumerates a long list of massacres and ethnic cleansing. If this is your idea of "ignorant hatred", your attitude and conclusions are too biased to be pertinent to anything.

"this thread has just gotton so old"
Yes, true. But, the genocide is ongoing.

"Israel has a right to exist"
Do they have a right to attack their neighbors?
Menachem Begin said that israel started the 6 day war.

"questionable foreign and domestic policies"
Operation 'Cast lead" was not questionable. It was war crimes and genocide.

You can take your "hasbara" BS and spew it to people who have no ability of critical thinking,,, people who have no knowledge of history. I have confidence that a big percentage of Burners are very capable of critical thinking.

[caveatlector]

This thread enumerates a long list of massacres and ethnic cleansing. If this is your idea of "ignorant hatred", your attitude and conclusions are too biased to be pertinent to anything.

And yet... I'll note that you didn't actually answer to the issue that I had, which was the quoting of the fictitious "Protocols of the Articles of Zion". If blindly repeating anti-semitic propaganda isn't ignorant hatred, what is it?

Yes, there are issues to be tackled here, but not by those who would rather spread lies than seek solutions.

Go back to rense.com and infowars. Your shit doesn't fly here.

Particularly when there are tacos to eat.



Seriously. Is there anything better than a well-made taco?

Anyone have any good recipes they'd like to share?

[can't sit still]

Sigggggh, I guess that I have to reply. this is pathetic.
"LOL! "building 7 was mined" hahahahahah "
An undamaged 42 story building collapses on it's own footprint. Both CNN and BBC reported this at least 20 minutes before it happened.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=20521

The reporter said that it was weakened.
Larry Silverstein said "we pulled it". 42 story buildings do not collapse on their own footprint,, damaged or otherwise.
1000 architects and engineers called for an investigation into this.


You counter with hahahahahaha. How pathetic can you get. I post recorded historical evidence, you counter with derision.
I post jewish claims of extermination and ethnic cleansing. You call them lies.
Since when did derision and diversion count as rebuttal?
Pathetic !!

"smoke a lot of chemtrails lately? hahahahah" One more feeble attempt at derision.

Rep. Kucinich's HR 2977 Names Chemtrails As An 'Exotic Weapon'
"Congressman Dennis Kucinich, Ohio introduced H. R. 2977 during the 1st Session of the 107th Congress of the United States."

"In the bill Chemtrails are listed as an "exotic weapons system". Ironically in Section 7 - Definitions"

"I welcome open and free discussion about the State of Israel"
"Seriously, is a Burning Man discussion board the place to spread this kind of ignorant hatred unabated?"
Yep, you welcome it,,, as long as it isn't negative,,, or truthful. Same reason that you hate Rense.
"I'm terribly disappointed in this community."
Ah, yes. Since you have no possibility of denying or discrediting what is posted here, you'll try to fall back on using peer pressure to shut down dialog. Good thing that I didn't deny the holocaust . Lots of people go to jail for that one. Good to know that you welcome free and open discussion.
Most of this thread is accepted history.

Here's a typical quote; "The Haganah leaders admitted that the massacre "disgraced the cause of Jewish fighters and dishonored Jewish arms and the Jewish flag."
They were led by Begin. He's proud of it.
"Ben Gurion even sent an apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan"
http://www.deiryassin.org/mas.html

OK, so what part of this is lies? What part is misinterpreted? What part deserves derision,,, denial? Why does this quote cause you to be disappointed in the Burning man community? What part is anti-semitic screed.

"proven-fraudulent Protocols of Zion." Why "proven fraudulent"? They exist on paper. Why not "proven to be lies"? They exist. The question is whether they are being used as a guide by a group,,, or not. Too big a topic.

"maybe we need a real effort at thread drift in here'
You've said a real mouthful there. You could ignore the thread. You could plonk my posts. VERY curious. This thread bothers you so much that you would like to erase it or end it.
This thread has a little less than 39,000 views. Is that what's bothering you?
" If blindly repeating anti-semitic propaganda", What about blindly repeating anti-semitic truth,, history?
"Yes, there are issues to be tackled here, but not by those who would rather spread lies than seek solutions"
Yes, let's seek solutions. Stop the KILLING!! Stop the settlements!! See, that was easy. Now, DO IT !
"Your shit doesn't fly here". Oh, Oh,, I'm going to crawl away and shut up. I've been mortally wounded.... PATHETIC.
No rebuttal,, no history,, no logic,, no reason.

[Mosin]

Nevermind... it's not worth it.

[can't sit still]

It helps to stand back and look at the operating paradigm here. Islam turned it's back on education and technology centuries ago. This put them at a disadvantage militarily. The got walked on in a big way during the period when Europe went looking for colonies. They got shagged pretty well.
The Ottoman Empire collapsed and the various colonies became more or less independent after WW II. The West tried to get the oil by hook or by crook. Militarily, none of the middle-eastern countries are a match for the West.
After the war, an old piece of real estate came up for grabs [more or less]. The fight became quite heated and the British pulled out saying that the area was ungovernable. The various goyim in the area could not compete for the real estate in a military fashion. They couldn't compete with the sword so, they had to fall back on the dick.

At the same time that many thousands of european jews were flooding into palestine aka, israel, the indigenous arabs were receiving outside support. This allowed them to up their birthrate to [current] 7.4 births per woman. Even during "Operation Cast Lead", there was a net gain in palestinian population.

The world doesn't seem to mind African genocide but, it does not approve of European genocide. They made a big show with Milosevich. The last big European genocide that I can think of was the mass starvation of German POWs after the war.

Israel needs to do a mass killing to avoid getting buried by the enormous palestinian fecundity. Mass killings are very much frowned upon. Immigration to israel is way down. Looking at the situation objectively, israel needs a new paradigm. The IDF went out of their way to kill kids recently. I can understand their frustration.
They blockade supplies into Gaza to try to reduce the birth rate.

As long as genocide is limited, they will eventually be buried. Someone once asked, which is more powerful, the pen or the sword. They forgot the dick.
Israel desperately needs new paradigm.

[Trishntek]

So why is Guevara Che considered so special to have his likeness displayed on t-shirts? This has always baffled me. Do these people know who this guy was and what he did?

Che was a purist political fanatic who saw everything in stark black and white. Therefore he vociferously opposed freedoms of religion, speech, press, assembly, protest, or any other rights not completely consistent with his North Korean-style communism. How many rock music-loving teens sporting Guevara t-shirts today know their hero supported Cuba’s 1960s’ repression of the genre? How many homosexual fans know he had gays jailed?

http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm

[can't sit still]

Trish, I read a book on the life of Ernesto Guevara. It omitted the most negative details of his life. It is kinda ironic to consider that Ernesto was a doctor and Fidel Castro is a lawyer. Ernesto worked in a leper colony. He later studied Marxism. A lot of young people seem to go whacko when they study Marxism. They focus on the inequalities of society. They blame ALL of these inequalities on man/society.
Most of the inequalities are related to geography or native intelligence.
Ernesto Guevara and Ayn Rand were born into the same world but, their views were polar opposites.

[Miles]

wait wait wait can I just quote this from page two:

The fascinating thing is that they've found Adam and Eve. ...DNA proves that we're all descended from just 1 female that lived a long time ago.

hahaha

also citing the proven hoax "protocols of Zion".....

[Miles]

Im going to try to make pickles for the first time this weekend!


Im gonna make some dill pickles using this recipe:
http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/dill-pickles/Reviews.aspx

yum!

and Im gonna make a few jars of pickled green beans also, which are AWESOME$*(!@$WTF! in bloody marys by the way.
using this recipe:
http://allrecipes.com//Recipe/crisp-pic ... etail.aspx

hopefully ill get some jars under my belt soon so I can make a MEGAXXXsexLARGE batch to bring out to the playa

[can't sit still]

Miles, that's great. Enjoy your pickles.
As Y'all know, Neanderthal died out about 38,000 years ago.
Those who map DNA show a steady progression or mutation rate. By backtracking, THEY report that Homo-sapiens came very close to dying out also. If I remember correctly, the female population was reduced to just one female about 150,000 years ago.
"The logical extension of this is that we all ultimately trace back to one woman who lived around 150,000 years ago"

The male population was reduced to just one male about 100,000 years ago.
THEY use a map of genes in the mitochondria to project population.
http://www.cambridgedna.com/genealogy-d ... ealogy.php

It sounds like you really know your pickles. Stick to pickles .You're clueless about genetic history.
Like I said, you haven't got a prayer of refuting what I post so the best you can come up with is ,,, derision. Since that is ALL you've got, you reinforce my position. You had to go all the way back to page 2 to find something that you thought you could use to cast doubt on veracity. It is a PATHETICALLY weak attempt. A real hasbara joke. Corwin showed a lot more brains.
The line that you quoted wasn't even Germain to the thread.
I'm really surprised at the number of views. There must be quite a few people getting all worked up over this little thread.
Y'all must think that I'm stupid. I didn't start this thread so that it would be a soapbox for opinion. Opinion unsupported by history isn't worth much.
The thread started out explaining the expansion of the Sahara desert and the effects that it had on the people who were pushed north. This is just a fight over real estate that contains several important religious icons.
My position is that extermination is bad. Unlimited procreation is bad also. Those are the tactics involved.
DVD got a bit hot about all this and it resulted in the "politics" thread getting shut down. I started this thread so that the new politics thread wouldn't suffer the same fate as the old. This gave DVD a place to have continuity to his protestations of actions in palestine. I eventually got DVD to moderate his posts to the point that he omitted the vitriol.
The idea of a thread is continuity. The idea of open discussion is to attempt to arrive as close to the truth as possible. That's how society works.
Discussion means; one party offers their beliefs. The other party offers their beliefs. They work to reconcile these beliefs to arrive as close as possible to the TRUTH.

A discussion isn't vitriol, it isn't derision, it isn't spurious claims. It is a positive attempt to arrive at the truth. If it is an attempt to force lies and / or gain power over another,,, it isn't a discussion.

If Y'all want to talk about pickles, that's fine. If you think that this thread is seriously in need of thread drift, I've never complained. If you want to talk about Che Guevara, that's OK too. If you think that this thread is a pack of lies,,, OK. If you think that the Arab palestinians should be exterminated like lice, put your beliefs and reasons right here. I won't complain.

[gyre]

Last word I heard was "a small population", not two people, but I don't stay current.