Police Shutdown Bake Sale for Homeless Shelter

[Elderberry]

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And here: http://freekeene.com/2010/10/18/keene-p ... s-shelter/

JK

[junglesmacks]

OT, but I find myself always wondering why you feel the need to type "JK" at the bottom of all your posts. Why not just put this in your signature? Is this some secret stamp of authorization so that we would know that an impostor is posting if the "JK" is not written? Is this a sign to alien life forms? Cryptic message for the gods?

[Miki]

Yes, while that does suck that they can't set up their bake sale for free, I don't see why they can't just pay the fee and go set back up 'cause everyone else at that festival had to pay.

[Elderberry]

OT, but I find myself always wondering why you feel the need to type "JK" at the bottom of all your posts. Why not just put this in your signature? Is this some secret stamp of authorization so that we would know that an impostor is posting if the "JK" is not written? Is this a sign to alien life forms? Cryptic message for the gods?

Habit. I tried putting it in my sig and my posts ended up with two.

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[lucky420]

That is some straight up bullshit. That female cop sure could play "statue" really good though...Fuck how much money did they think the homeless shelter and boy scouts were going to make from a bakesale??

[Elderberry]

Yes, while that does suck that they can't set up their bake sale for free, I don't see why they can't just pay the fee and go set back up 'cause everyone else at that festival had to pay.

Just reminded me of the story a few months back where the cops shut down a 10 year old girl's lemonade stand. Same principle.

Doesn't seem right to have to pay fees when all of what is being sold has been made by little old ladies in their kitchens and donated to the event; and all of the proceeds is going toward charitable causes.

JK

[lucky420]

homeless shelter=no money to pay festival fee

[neon tetra]

I always thought it meant just kidding.

[Trishntek]

I'm surprised they allow the sale at all! There are some places where privately cooked items cannot be sold whatsoever! They must be factory packaged items like scout cookies and popcorn.

It's a fucking shame that basic fund raising and teaching youth about entrepreneurial projects has become some kind of PC/political bullshit.

[Elderberry]

I always thought it meant just kidding.

You're not the first.

JK

[Elderberry]

I'm surprised they allow the sale at all! There are some places where privately cooked items cannot be sold whatsoever! They must be factory packaged items like scout cookies and popcorn.

It's a fucking shame that basic fund raising and teaching youth about entrepreneurial projects has become some kind of PC/political bullshit.

"factory packaged" reminded me of my dad's neighborhood store when I was a kid. There still wasn't such a thing as "factory packaged" cookies---they were sold from big glass jars with metal covers with a black Bakelite handle, and you picked your cookies out with tongs and bagged them yourself.

And if you wanted a chicken, you went to the poultry store, where they had all these live chickens in wooden cages and you picked out your bird, then they stuck it upside down in this funnel shaped apparatus which automatically cut it's throat and drained the blood, then they took the chicken out by it's feet and had this machine they held it over that removed the feathers as they rotated the chicken. And finally they asked you if you wanted it whole or cut into pieces, and then they wrapped it in butcher paper and tied it and you took home a really fresh chicken.

And the milk was delivered weekly and left in the "milk shoot" built into the wall of the house in the side entrance hallway, and the diapers were put in a pale to be picked up each week.

And there was a crude 2 burner stove about two feet tall in the basement that held a copper tub that my grandmother used to boil water to melt the starch for the shirts.

And this was in Cleveland Ohio. My grandparents on the farm got their water from a pump on the back porch.

But I digress.

JK

[ygmir]

I'm surprised they allow the sale at all! There are some places where privately cooked items cannot be sold whatsoever! They must be factory packaged items like scout cookies and popcorn.

It's a fucking shame that basic fund raising and teaching youth about entrepreneurial projects has become some kind of PC/political bullshit.

"factory packaged" reminded me of my dad's neighborhood store when I was a kid. There still wasn't such a thing as "factory packaged" cookies---they were sold from big glass jars with metal covers with a black Bakelite handle, and you picked your cookies out with tongs and bagged them yourself.

And if you wanted a chicken, you went to the poultry store, where they had all these live chickens in wooden cages and you picked out your bird, then they stuck it upside down in this funnel shaped apparatus which automatically cut it's throat and drained the blood, then they took the chicken out by it's feet and had this machine they held it over that removed the feathers as they rotated the chicken. And finally they asked you if you wanted it whole or cut into pieces, and then they wrapped it in butcher paper and tied it and you took home a really fresh chicken.

And the milk was delivered weekly and left in the "milk shoot" built into the wall of the house in the side entrance hallway, and the diapers were put in a pale to be picked up each week.

And there was a crude 2 burner stove about two feet tall in the basement that held a copper tub that my grandmother used to boil water to melt the starch for the shirts.

And this was in Cleveland Ohio. My grandparents on the farm got their water from a pump on the back porch.

But I digress.

JK

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[gyre]

Apparently the police here routinely steal the ID of homeless people.

This prevents them from being able to do most things.


J, we had a local dairy start delivering again, long after local delivery had stopped, and in glass bottles.
The difference in milk quality was stunning, only partially due to freshness.
Amazing how good fresh eggs and fresh milk are.

I hear raising chickens is a new trend in cities.
A house I visited after transformus had a variety of exotic types.
On the cape, had fresh eggs in an omelette.
I had forgotten what eggs tasted like.

I'm not fond of chickens, but I really liked the polish fighting cock that was camped next to me at the rainbow gathering.
Cute as hell, and quite shy.
Loud as his crowing was, still less annoying than canned music.

[Kinetik V]

Having grown up on a dairy farm I got spoiled with raw milk, real cream, fresh eggs, and more. Now the only time I buy milk is for baby bottles or to put on my cereal. Everything else tastes kinda flat and blah. Corporate food is nice in some aspects...but it sure sucks in others.

[Elderberry]

Apparently the police here routinely steal the ID of homeless people.

This prevents them from being able to do most things.


J, we had a local dairy start delivering again, long after local delivery had stopped, and in glass bottles.
The difference in milk quality was stunning, only partially due to freshness.
Amazing how good fresh eggs and fresh milk are.

I hear raising chickens is a new trend in cities.
A house I visited after transformus had a variety of exotic types.
On the cape, had fresh eggs in an omelette.
I had forgotten what eggs tasted like.

I'm not fond of chickens, but I really liked the polish fighting cock that was camped next to me at the rainbow gathering.
Cute as hell, and quite shy.
Loud as his crowing was, still less annoying than canned music.

I never heard that about the police stealing IDs of homeless people. That's disgusting, and there is no reason for them to do that except for being crewel and harassing them.

I'm thinking that might not happen all that much in Los Angeles though, as we have several agencies that deal with homeless and I used to volunteer for one of them and fortunately, I never heard anything like this happening. That's not to say the police don't hassle the homeless here, but usually in ways that are considered harassment by the homeless and good police work by the general public and businesses.

Regarding all the fresh foods and less commercial ways of packaging and such, I'm actually surprised that more of these things are not coming into vogue--especially in some of the more elite neighborhoods. I know stores like Whole Foods tries, but still they don't come close.

JK

[theCryptofishist]

Whole Foods is still working on a supermarket model, and that means selling a lot more stuff than you would at a mom and pop. I live between a Safeway and little market called Star that's been there forever. (They let local families buy groceries on credit during the depression.) I think they make it by being focused on the neighborhood (high school kids have after school jobs, for instance), by being a better place to go to pick up a half gallon of milk in a hurry, and by catering to the local foodies. (Foodies have a lot of power around here.) They sell stuff like free-range chicken (okay they don't, the rent out a butcher's counter that sells that kind of meat) and carry Strauss Family Creamery, that avoids the industrial processing route. I don't like industrial processing, but I also know why I don't buy out of it consistently. Back when someone first invented the poverty index (which is actually a crude measure, no one wants to go in and refine it) people spent about a third of their income on food; now we spend about a forth. And when you consider that we eat out more than we did in the 1940s, that's a huge difference. And I think that industrial processing is a major factor in that.

[Elderberry]

Whole Foods is still working on a supermarket model, and that means selling a lot more stuff than you would at a mom and pop. I live between a Safeway and little market called Star that's been there forever. (They let local families buy groceries on credit during the depression.) I think they make it by being focused on the neighborhood (high school kids have after school jobs, for instance), by being a better place to go to pick up a half gallon of milk in a hurry, and by catering to the local foodies. (Foodies have a lot of power around here.) They sell stuff like free-range chicken (okay they don't, the rent out a butcher's counter that sells that kind of meat) and carry Strauss Family Creamery, that avoids the industrial processing route. I don't like industrial processing, but I also know why I don't buy out of it consistently. Back when someone first invented the poverty index (which is actually a crude measure, no one wants to go in and refine it) people spent about a third of their income on food; now we spend about a forth. And when you consider that we eat out more than we did in the 1940s, that's a huge difference. And I think that industrial processing is a major factor in that.

I live in West Hollywood, which is probably the second most gay city in the country behind San Francisco. For whatever reason, the city actually has two major groups--the Gay population lives west of Fairfax Ave and the Russian immigrant population lives east of Fairfax. In the Russian part of the city there are lots of those little mom and pop grocery stores and meat markets and clothing stores and such that are very reminiscent of the "old days". The only thing is, you have to be able to speak Russian to shop there!

JK

[gyre]

There's probably a way to manage.
Just don't buy any cans with a picture of a dog or cat on them.

I ate at a wonderful mexican place in denver, and they barely spoke english, and after ten years there too.
Just depends on whether they're motivated to sell to you.

I hit the lull after early morning and they were thrilled to see me.
Fantastic coffee too.

[Trishntek]

Having grown up on a dairy farm I got spoiled with raw milk, real cream, fresh eggs, and more. Now the only time I buy milk is for baby bottles or to put on my cereal. Everything else tastes kinda flat and blah. Corporate food is nice in some aspects...but it sure sucks in others.

I grew up on raw milk from a Jersey cow. That cream was yellow and thick and sweet. Ohhhhh man,,,, rice crispies in that cream was better than candy!

Our neighbors have 6 laying hens and share a dozen with us every so often. No rooster though. That gets pretty old every morning around 4:30 right under our bedroom window.

We use to butcher our own chickens when I was a kid. We'd chop off the heads and throw them in a bucket with a lid on it so they wouldn't break bones and throw blood everywhere. I preferred them skinned, but mom insisted on boiling and plucking the feathers.

I must admit I do not miss milking cows twice a day.

[Elderberry]

Having grown up on a dairy farm I got spoiled with raw milk, real cream, fresh eggs, and more. Now the only time I buy milk is for baby bottles or to put on my cereal. Everything else tastes kinda flat and blah. Corporate food is nice in some aspects...but it sure sucks in others.

I grew up on raw milk from a Jersey cow. That cream was yellow and thick and sweet. Ohhhhh man,,,, rice crispies in that cream was better than candy!

Our neighbors have 6 laying hens and share a dozen with us every so often. No rooster though. That gets pretty old every morning around 4:30 right under our bedroom window.

We use to butcher our own chickens when I was a kid. We'd chop off the heads and throw them in a bucket with a lid on it so they wouldn't break bones and throw blood everywhere. I preferred them skinned, but mom insisted on boiling and plucking the feathers.

I must admit I do not miss milking cows twice a day.

Reminds me of the visits to my grandmother's farm in southern Ohio.

JK

[AntiM]

We get our beef from a family ranch up in No. Utah. You can taste the free range western diet of the cattle.

There's a local dairy here, Winder Farms. They're 130 years old and going strong. They do home delivery of milk, other dairy, eggs, cheeses, and organic produce. I don't drink enough milk to justify home delivery, but it is an option.

We also have a local company, Schwann's, that does home delivery of frozen foods. Lofthouse cookies are made here in Ogden, they have an outlet store. They're actually quite good for mass processed. My niece works there. There's also a Pictsweet plant here, although they do truck in their veggies.

The loca/regionall grocery chains have a Utah's Own label, so you can spot local foods easily. One of them even runs promotions where you can get discounts and specials for buying local.

[Lassen Forge]

I have yet to find produce here in the states that comes close to what we get in Italy. Even in the large cities, tomatoes that taste like tomatoes, not these pasty things we get here, onions that wipe you out, 4 different kinds of garlic, cheese that you can taste the cream in (and butter? Gelato? Need I say anything?)... The CHEAP olive oil tastes like what you pay through the yazoo here, and meat? Well, IF you can find wild boar or venison or etc. here, well, again it's freaking espensive, there, it's like, well, it's what you buy. Shall we talk sausage ground while you watch, or seafood impoossible to get here? Bread? It gets hard quicker because there's no preservatives. ;)

Sure, things go out of season... but that means you're not eating over-preservative laden hyper-chemicalized ultra-rocessed food substance. Remember when apples or oranges and squash and stuff went out of season and you couldn't get them?

Know what it is? Factory farms. There, you have a hectare, you grow what you can on it, sell it local to Pasquale the greengrocer, what you don't save for yourself... Here, you have to have a ten thousand acres of tomatoes, all alike, all disease resistant and genetically pure and grown in non-rotated and worn out and artifically fertilized soil to keep the bank off your ass for not making payment on your million acre tomato harvester and fert bills and labor and the payment on the land and, oh yeah, you gotta feed your family, too...

And people wonder why I want to retire there. It's NOT because it's Italy... it's because people there know how to live... kinda like my grandparents did. THAT'S the gift. Live simply. Yeah.

[Trishntek]

BBS, we spent some time in Italy last year and whole-heartedly agree that Italian food is much more flavorful and fresh.

But we do have the farmer's markets around here where you can purchase all that you seek. If you are indeed in the bay area, go down to Gilroy sometime or over the hill into the Modesto area,,,,, hell even up around Santa Rosa you can find what you seek.

Yeah, I know it isn't like there's one in every neighborhood as is the case in Italy, but it can be found!

We now make our pizza personal size with thin crispy crust and maybe five simple ingredients. That was one thing we discovered in Italy. Fresh ingredients put together in a balanced way to appreciate all the textures and flavors is the best! Pizza doesn't have to be this gut-busting pile of cheese and sauce. To keep it simple, with fresh ingredients cooked HOT is the best!

[Elderberry]

BBS, we spent some time in Italy last year and whole-heartedly agree that Italian food is much more flavorful and fresh.

But we do have the farmer's markets around here where you can purchase all that you seek. If you are indeed in the bay area, go down to Gilroy sometime or over the hill into the Modesto area,,,,, hell even up around Santa Rosa you can find what you seek.

Yeah, I know it isn't like there's one in every neighborhood as is the case in Italy, but it can be found!

We now make our pizza personal size with thin crispy crust and maybe five simple ingredients. That was one thing we discovered in Italy. Fresh ingredients put together in a balanced way to appreciate all the textures and flavors is the best! Pizza doesn't have to be this gut-busting pile of cheese and sauce. To keep it simple, with fresh ingredients cooked HOT is the best!

LOL. Not really making fun of you, but to think things you buy in the Farmer's Market are really locally grown and pesticide free is ridiculous. My partner and I always sort of joked about this, just knowing 'how things are'. And lo and behold, just a few weeks ago one of the TV stations here did an expose on Farmer's Markets. What did they find?

More than half of the people vending at these markets buy their produce from large commercial farms and advertise and sell them as locally grown. They verified this by both visiting the local farms they had listed on their permits, only to find that the large majority of what they were selling were now where to be found growing on their "farms", some of which were small parcels of land seemingly only rented or purchased to meet the requirements for a permit and certification.

They also followed these "farmers" in their trucks as they went to load them with produce they were purchasing from large commercial growers.

Additionally, they bought and had tested produce from all of the vendors that had advertised "pesticide free". Again, what did they find?

EVERY ONE, to a fault, had pesticide residue on them.

They then went back to these "vendor/farmers" and confronted them with the test results. Many just refused to talk to the cameras, many tried to say that they didn't use pesticides and that the test must just be reflecting "over spray" from other farmers in the area. When they were than informed that the levels of pesticides were way too high for that to be possible, they all then stopped talking and tried to stop the camera man from filming them.

So much for natural and organic.

JK

[Elderberry]

I have yet to find produce here in the states that comes close to what we get in Italy. Even in the large cities, tomatoes that taste like tomatoes, not these pasty things we get here, onions that wipe you out, 4 different kinds of garlic, cheese that you can taste the cream in (and butter? Gelato? Need I say anything?)... The CHEAP olive oil tastes like what you pay through the yazoo here, and meat? Well, IF you can find wild boar or venison or etc. here, well, again it's freaking espensive, there, it's like, well, it's what you buy. Shall we talk sausage ground while you watch, or seafood impoossible to get here? Bread? It gets hard quicker because there's no preservatives.

Sure, things go out of season... but that means you're not eating over-preservative laden hyper-chemicalized ultra-rocessed food substance. Remember when apples or oranges and squash and stuff went out of season and you couldn't get them?

Know what it is? Factory farms. There, you have a hectare, you grow what you can on it, sell it local to Pasquale the greengrocer, what you don't save for yourself... Here, you have to have a ten thousand acres of tomatoes, all alike, all disease resistant and genetically pure and grown in non-rotated and worn out and artifically fertilized soil to keep the bank off your ass for not making payment on your million acre tomato harvester and fert bills and labor and the payment on the land and, oh yeah, you gotta feed your family, too...

And people wonder why I want to retire there. It's NOT because it's Italy... it's because people there know how to live... kinda like my grandparents did. THAT'S the gift. Live simply. Yeah.

Not to be a pessimist, but give them a few years to catch up with us.

JK

[Trishntek]

While living in a county where the top three agricultural products are strawberries, lemons and avocado, locally grown is probably accurate. I don't think I said anything about organic produce. I'm talking about ripeness and freshness.

[mdmf007]

I have yet to find produce here in the states that comes close to what we get in Italy. Even in the large cities, tomatoes that taste like tomatoes, not these pasty things we get here, onions that wipe you out, 4 different kinds of garlic, cheese that you can taste the cream in (and butter? Gelato? Need I say anything?)... The CHEAP olive oil tastes like what you pay through the yazoo here, and meat? Well, IF you can find wild boar or venison or etc. here, well, again it's freaking espensive, there, it's like, well, it's what you buy. Shall we talk sausage ground while you watch, or seafood impoossible to get here? Bread? It gets hard quicker because there's no preservatives.

Sure, things go out of season... but that means you're not eating over-preservative laden hyper-chemicalized ultra-rocessed food substance. Remember when apples or oranges and squash and stuff went out of season and you couldn't get them?

Know what it is? Factory farms. There, you have a hectare, you grow what you can on it, sell it local to Pasquale the greengrocer, what you don't save for yourself... Here, you have to have a ten thousand acres of tomatoes, all alike, all disease resistant and genetically pure and grown in non-rotated and worn out and artifically fertilized soil to keep the bank off your ass for not making payment on your million acre tomato harvester and fert bills and labor and the payment on the land and, oh yeah, you gotta feed your family, too...

And people wonder why I want to retire there. It's NOT because it's Italy... it's because people there know how to live... kinda like my grandparents did. THAT'S the gift. Live simply. Yeah.

Id like to see if Italy can support more than a billion people an what they produce? The United States does.

Sure if its me and my family living in the hills we can create a small scale greeen economy - but its impossible to scale up. Not everyone can grow their own food. In an agrarian world it works, populations are small as it is real inefficient per person per acre. Now skip ahead a century and not everyone is involved in growing their food, but has to make IPODS, or work in a car factory, or write code, or work in a hospital, and on and on. Now there are less people in the field and the farms must get larger and more efficient to meet the demand.

[theCryptofishist]

I have yet to find produce here in the states that comes close to what we get in Italy. Even in the large cities, tomatoes that taste like tomatoes, not these pasty things we get here, onions that wipe you out, 4 different kinds of garlic, cheese that you can taste the cream in (and butter? Gelato? Need I say anything?)... The CHEAP olive oil tastes like what you pay through the yazoo here, and meat? Well, IF you can find wild boar or venison or etc. here, well, again it's freaking espensive, there, it's like, well, it's what you buy. Shall we talk sausage ground while you watch, or seafood impoossible to get here? Bread? It gets hard quicker because there's no preservatives. ;)

Sure, things go out of season... but that means you're not eating over-preservative laden hyper-chemicalized ultra-rocessed food substance. Remember when apples or oranges and squash and stuff went out of season and you couldn't get them?

Know what it is? Factory farms. There, you have a hectare, you grow what you can on it, sell it local to Pasquale the greengrocer, what you don't save for yourself... Here, you have to have a ten thousand acres of tomatoes, all alike, all disease resistant and genetically pure and grown in non-rotated and worn out and artifically fertilized soil to keep the bank off your ass for not making payment on your million acre tomato harvester and fert bills and labor and the payment on the land and, oh yeah, you gotta feed your family, too...

And people wonder why I want to retire there. It's NOT because it's Italy... it's because people there know how to live... kinda like my grandparents did. THAT'S the gift. Live simply. Yeah.

Id like to see if Italy can support more than a billion people an what they produce? The United States does.

Sure if its me and my family living in the hills we can create a small scale greeen economy - but its impossible to scale up. Not everyone can grow their own food. In an agrarian world it works, populations are small as it is real inefficient per person per acre. Now skip ahead a century and not everyone is involved in growing their food, but has to make IPODS, or work in a car factory, or write code, or work in a hospital, and on and on. Now there are less people in the field and the farms must get larger and more efficient to meet the demand.

Putting aside the question of pro-rating Italy for size as compared to the U.S....
Sure, ipods are cool, but so much of what we are producing is banal plastic crap, and the Chinese are producing it anyway. And adding lead in all sorts of unexpected places. Instead of mindlessly chasing down industrial lifestyles, we could use the surplus to really think about what kind of world we want to live in and then do our best to make it. If it's just going to be unthinking consumption, then maybe unthinkingly consuming good food isn't such a bad thing.

[gyre]

Id like to see if Italy can support more than a billion people an what they produce? The United States does.

Sure if its me and my family living in the hills we can create a small scale greeen economy - but its impossible to scale up. Not everyone can grow their own food. In an agrarian world it works, populations are small as it is real inefficient per person per acre. Now skip ahead a century and not everyone is involved in growing their food, but has to make IPODS, or work in a car factory, or write code, or work in a hospital, and on and on. Now there are less people in the field and the farms must get larger and more efficient to meet the demand.

People that study these things say that small farms can be very competitive with corporate farms, using properly scaled equipment and techniques.

Some of the quality compromises of corporate farms are purely greed driven, not production mandatory.

[goathead]

People that study these things say that small farms can be very competitive with corporate farms, using properly scaled equipment and techniques.

Some of the quality compromises of corporate farms are purely greed driven, not production mandatory.

been there, tried that, fucking tough way to go.
The regs, permitting, and on and on it written for the corporations.
Almost impossible to comply with for a small farmer.