ICE Is it for real

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:46 am

Did i hear someone mention that there is ice at Bman... is it true.... can we get ice for our coolers there.... Or is this a figment of my imagination.. How do we keep our refridgeratables cool otherwise... I heard that Dry Ice lasts for days in the cooler..... is this true....

Confused first timer

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:48 am

Ice will be for sale at CampArtica in the central plaza. Various anti-consumer-on-the-playa groups will be marking it with signs and protests.

atossab · Post by **atossab** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:09 am

Try a combination of dry ice and regular ice in a large cooler reserved just for ice. Keep the dry ice seperated with cardboard/newspaper, etc...

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:44 am

If you're just cooling drinks, dry ice seems like a lot of work. We've had it in a frozen foods cooler, wasn't so bad, but too many people with "one more little thing I need stuck in a cooler, and I don't think I need to get ice 'cause you have this nice cold cooler already" syndrome.

I don't mind buying ice on playa, otherwise we'd never get the block ice for the snowcone machine all week ....

Just preplan what you will do with your grey water once the ice in your cooler melts. Can't just dump it out. Foot soaks, misting, and then a flat evap tub did us well.

Ah, shave ice, sounds good about now.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:46 am

Thats great... Ice should be a nessesity not a consumer protested product.... ......Like porta poties.....(Part of your ticket price i am sure....)

ALRIGHT... YIPPEE margaritas and cold water (not to mention the eggs and milk)

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robotland · Post by **robotland** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:59 am

Wildeone wrote:ALRIGHT... YIPPEE margaritas and cold water (not to mention the eggs and milk)

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....and either keep that cooler well stocked with ice, or bring some Imodium along for after!

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:59 am

Wildeone wrote:Thats great... Ice should be a nessesity not a consumer protested product....

I have no problem with the ice either. It's close enough to being a health issue to view as necessary (some would disagree, I know), if they gave it away people would be careless with how much they actually needed, and the proceeds go to the local communities. A few months back there was a great deal of heated discussion about the selling of coffee on this board. (No, not selling coffee on the board, but selling coffee at burning man.) Even though I've never figured out exactly what I think about that, I do think it's a good debate and should probably be revived every couple of years for newbies as part of a wider discussion on "no commerce" what that means, what that should mean, and what that does to the world. (if anything.)

atossab · Post by **atossab** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:24 am

I could never figure out why we need to buy coffee. While it is not practical to make your own ice on the playa, making coffee at camp if you really have to have it is EASY, as is bringing juice to drink. Everytime I am telling someone about BM who has never been, one of my favorite topics is the gifting only community. Then, I always feel a pang of annoyance that there actually are official sale items, and I feel like I am misleading them if I don't mention it.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:36 am

atossab wrote:I could never figure out why we need to buy coffee.

My best guess: Larry likes cafes. Now, I like cafes too, and I have at various times in my life had favored cafes that were centers of social life/community. I think they function differently in Burning Man because the community is itself so different than say, the Haight. Now I have a definate weakness for Lattes (more difficult to make on or off playa), but then the two or so times I've had them there they weren't transcendent lattes. (And $3 lemonade just annoys me.) I don't think we are going to end the existence of the cafe. But I think it does need to be recognized as a nexus of dischord. (What does tha mean? Darned if I know. Need more coffee.) I'm just greatful that there was a guy gifting my camp with coffee every morning last year so I could get a fix without compromising any integrity I might have.

atossab · Post by **atossab** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:40 am

Doesn't seem very creative to serve coffee at the cafe' anyhow, does it.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:58 am

I'm reluctant to use that as an arguement against the cafe. After all, service jobs are traditionally the provinance of women and minorities. They don't pay well and don't get a lot of respect. I don't know if "good service" is creative (I suspect that it can be, perhaps at a level we may not often see) but it can be very nurturing and it can be supportive of "artists" who may enjoy the community at a cafe. And think of all the creative types who are freed to do their work by a wife or servent who does the household chores and feeds *him* so that *he* can work 10, 12, 14 hours a day in the studio and get up and do it again. I would certainly regard the service at the cafe as gifting--except in the cases where they are insisting on being tipped cash, as apparently happens. (Probably when they are insisting on being tipped period too. That subverts gifting.) My ideal of "Burner Values" is that all contributions are recognized and valued by the community even though there's only one David Best.
And that's partly based on having my creative gifts looked down upon for many years. If my gift were caretaking, I'd like to have that awknowledged.

Ivy · Post by **Ivy** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:19 pm

who may enjoy the community at a cafe

I've ben in this debate many times, so I'm not going to go off on a diatribe again here.

But one thing I would like to point out is that, at least in my opinion, there is a diffrence between "center camp" and "cafe. Yes, one happens to be part of another, but, IMO, it would still be possible to have a center camp gathering space without having the cafe/commerce part.

Would it be as conducive to gathering, if people didn't have an ulterior motive (i.e., coffee) to go there? I don't know. Would it be less condusive to self-reliance (people crashing there instead of building their own camps)? i don't know.

I just wanted to point out that the cafe and center camp are not one and the same.

atossab · Post by **atossab** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:30 pm

I would certainly regard the service at the cafe as gifting--

Serving as in being the server (sans tips) is gifting. I was referring more to the availability of Coffee at a coffeeshop being kinda humdrum for BM.

Ivy, of all the times I have gone to center camp, it was never once for coffee. I usually avoid even looking over in that direction, because it tends to ruin the fantastic never land quality of the burn for me, looking at all those people standing in line, holding money fighting over creamer. Yuk.

Ivy · Post by **Ivy** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:49 pm

Yeah, i persoanlly like the idea of a center congregation sapce, in theory. but not having personally seen it done w/o the cafe aspect, I'm not sure how it would pan out. that's all.

bigpurple · Post by **bigpurple** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:59 pm

Dry ice is much colder than frozen water. You can easily end up with a bunch of really frozen food or drinks. Wrap the dry ice in newspaper or other insulative material to keep the cooler at the proper temperature. It is really great if you want to keep a cooler full of ice for later use.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:06 pm

ooking at all those people standing in line, holding money fighting over creamer

i wish there were some magical way to do a psychological study on those who do that (stand in line with money, etc.) and those who don't. I would love to know the impact on their experience of the event as a whole. I went to center camp for my first time last year and when I glanced over and saw that it really bummed me out. It's surreal to see something dehumanizing like that in the midst of such humanizing surrealness.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:14 pm

Standing in line for coffee in the morning??? Bout that time of day I'm still in the kill mode. Coffee in my camp in six min. after falling out of bed.

Ice ICE!! I'm the guy pointing and laughing at the poor-wits in the ice line. We have three in our camp. The ice between us amounts to about 75 gallons of water. WE load up on block ice first. Then at the last ice stop we flood the blocks with party ice. Last ice for us is 150 miles out. Last year we drove the last leg and come in late night. The next day I had to pour a gallon of water in to get the cold water to melt. We all had ice and cold water to drink for the two day trip home.

atossab · Post by **atossab** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:22 pm

2003 was the only year I needed to buy ice. We served drinks all afternoon/night and into the wee hours so ran out pretty quick. Suddenly I wasn't laughing at people in the ice line anymore, our 'bar' wouldn't have lasted a day or two without camp Arctica.

atossab · Post by **atossab** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:25 pm

Dry ice is much colder than frozen water. You can easily end up with a bunch of really frozen food or drinks.

How about exposing the dry ice to your grey water. Seems like a great way haul it home? Anyone ever try it?

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