Ugandan 'Kill The Gays' bill sponsor & his GOP ties

[ygmir]

well, of course......jeeze, everyone knows how polite Canadians are.

Just one of their endearing qualities.

*sp edit*

[geekster]

Actually we have a fine example from just today when Keith Ellison (D-MN) said that Obama should cause a crises in order to provide the cover to "hike taxes on the rich".

They always approach this from the wrong angle. Rather than punishing the rich, they should be setting conditions such that there are more of them ... so that more of the people can move up and become "rich". But no, that would go against everything they stand for.

As "the rich" pay the bulk of the taxes in this country, making a few more rich people will have more impact than raising the taxes on the existing ones.

Rather than create more programs to give more people money, maybe they could work harder at creating conditions where they more easily find jobs and don't need the damned programs. That also eliminates the need to raise taxes as it increases revenue and decreases outlays in those programs.

They (the progressive) approach the problem from the wrong direction. To them, making the problem worse is better and making things better is worse.

[geekster]

I think it's more about people not even reading through a thread, but still adding their sliver of ignorance.

Have you considered that maybe it is you who is the ignorant one in this case and simply parroting what Maddow says might not look so smart?

[neon tetra]

Have you considered that maybe it is you who is the ignorant one in this case and simply parroting what Maddow says might not look so smart?

Nope. Because nothing in this thread is based on anything that Maddow said. It is based on her guest, who is the actual sponsor of the anti-gay bill and member of 'The Family'. Perhaps if you actually watched the interview in the OP you would be up to speed on the conversation. Instead, you just decided to chime in with your partisan rubbish & completely ignore the topic at hand.

[Deb Prothero]

It might be better for clear debate to split the "Family" issue from the issue of criminalizing homosexuality.

[ygmir]

"clear debate"?

when, did that matter?.........hahahaaa

don't we thrive on murkiness and thread drift?

[neon tetra]

Actually we have a fine example from just today when Keith Ellison (D-MN) said that Obama should cause a crises in order to provide the cover to "hike taxes on the rich".

They always approach this from the wrong angle. Rather than punishing the rich, they should be setting conditions such that there are more of them ... so that more of the people can move up and become "rich". But no, that would go against everything they stand for.

As "the rich" pay the bulk of the taxes in this country, making a few more rich people will have more impact than raising the taxes on the existing ones.

Rather than create more programs to give more people money, maybe they could work harder at creating conditions where they more easily find jobs and don't need the damned programs. That also eliminates the need to raise taxes as it increases revenue and decreases outlays in those programs.

They (the progressive) approach the problem from the wrong direction. To them, making the problem worse is better and making things better is worse.

I like turtles.

Do you fold or crumble?

I think people who say "an historic..." sound a bit pretentious.

Snowboarding is so much fun, even though I break ribs a lot.

Bird poop is the only animal poop that I'll 'flick' away if it's on a bench & I want to sit down.

Staying on topic in a thread is so lame, right?

[ygmir]

Crimeny!!!!
maybe lighten up a little.
sometimes, folks like to have fun, tease, poke, prod..........
and, when someone gets to uptight over it, it just makes it more fun.

*runs over to give NT a noogie*

*changed egad to crimeny, more fun*

[Deb Prothero]

I'm thinking there is more to the animosities displayed here - having nothing to do with the topic up for debate and more to do with historic personal issues.

I'm headed for the bar...have fun.

[neon tetra]

Crimeny!!!!
maybe lighten up a little.
sometimes, folks like to have fun, tease, poke, prod..........
and, when someone gets to uptight over it, it just makes it more fun.

*runs over to give NT a noogie*

You're right. I think I was a bit too honest in another thread, which caused somewhat of a backlash against me (even in threads I hadn't posted in yet).
And because of that, I'm feeling a little defensive.

Duly noted.

[ygmir]

*high five*

I bet, we can all disagree, and still have fun............

[Dr. Pyro]

My last comment on this thread. Probably. It was the assertion that the GOP is somehow directly linked to this lunacy. That's like saying the Democrats are directly linked to linching blacks because Senator Byrd of West Virginia was a member of the KKK. The Democrats did that, but to assert that now they do is absurd. Hay, maybe this isn't the best forum to start a politically charged thread with specious proof (though I know the Ugandans are doing this reprehensible act) which paints all Republicans in a very negative light. Your social agenda should be left for someplace other than here. Bigot.

[neon tetra]

So let's sum up your ignorance so far in this thread:
First, if Rachel reported it, it has no credibility.
Second, Rachel might not even be a woman. (I sense some homophobia here..)
Next, because she has opinions, she must be as asinine as Rush Limbaugh.
Now lastly, I'm a bigot.
And this is all coming from the guy with the same tired Barbie Death Camp year after year?

Geeeeez...

[Dr. Pyro]

Ignorant? Mmmm...I know you are so what am I?

[neon tetra]

You win, buddy.

Now go play with your Barbies & let the adults discuss the issue at hand.

[neon tetra]

My last comment on this thread. Probably. I think it's an important issue. I think it's one that most people don't seem to know about. And I think it's something that should be thoroughly looked into, especially the folks outside of Uganda that are influencing this bill and others like it.
I don't, however, want to have the same boring partisan back-and-forth. If Maddow reporting this is too 'lefty' for you, then I don't know what to tell you. Do some of your own research and let us know what you find.
I wish you all a good weekend.

[Trishntek]

Well, as I read through this thread I did not find a single reference to this origins of "The Family".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellow ... anization)

It is a fundamental Christian organization and not primarily a political one. It began in 1942 Chicago as "The Fellowship".

Although the organization is secretive, it holds one regular public event each year, the National Prayer Breakfast held in Washington, D.C. Every sitting United States president since President Dwight D. Eisenhower, up to President Barack Obama, has participated in at least one National Prayer Breakfast during his term.

So by logical conclusion, according to NT, even Mr. Obama is involved with killing gays in Uganda.

[Elderberry]

Well, as I read through this thread I did not find a single reference to this origins of "The Family".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellow ... anization)

It is a fundamental Christian organization and not primarily a political one. It began in 1942 Chicago as "The Fellowship".

Although the organization is secretive, it holds one regular public event each year, the National Prayer Breakfast held in Washington, D.C. Every sitting United States president since President Dwight D. Eisenhower, up to President Barack Obama, has participated in at least one National Prayer Breakfast during his term.

So by logical conclusion, according to NT, even Mr. Obama is involved with killing gays in Uganda.

The "Family" has heavy ties to the Republicans. Google around a bit and you might be surprised at what you find.

JK

[Elderberry]

It might be better for clear debate to split the "Family" issue from the issue of criminalizing homosexuality.

It's difficult to split the "Family" issue from the bill they are passing in Uganda, as it is the "Family" that is the major proponent of the legislation. Without the "Family", chances are that this legislation never would have come to be.

JK

[littleflower]

I don't, however, want to have the same boring partisan back-and-forth.

unfortunately, my dear, you are so hopelessly partisan, oblivious to the importance of questions that do not fit into your incredibly myopic worldview, and insulting to any contrary position posted to any of your threads, that i doubt you will never be able to create a decent debate around here.

JK .... be careful of info on the internet!!!! there are a lot of lies out there ..... not that this is one, but you know how much crap is out there and yes, it IS on all sides..... lies lies lies ......

[lucky420]

NT, thanks so much for posting this. It was very enlightening. I watched all the videos and didn't see Maddow trying to enforce her views. I saw that she was just trying to get the guy to show proof of gay recruitment of children in Uganda, which he clearly couldn't. He kept throwing "for the children" in there...what a fuck-head.

[thisisthatwhichis]

Ah, geez, Neon... Not again!!

You can find just as many left wing wacko's as you can right wing wacko's, with very little searching.

Ya can't paint the GOP in this, anymore than you can paint Obama as an Islamic Extremist, because he's Muslim.....



Uuuuggghhhh!!

[weirdscience]

ugandans r fucked up look

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[Trishntek]

Sodomy laws are not all that far in history of the U.S.A. In fact, there are, correct me if I'm wrong, still sodomy laws in a state or two.

Whether the GOP is involved with an organization that influences policy in a foreign land does not seem to be the thrust of the video. Is this guilt by association? So is everyone who has ever shopped at or worked for Good Will Industries also equally guilty of killings gays in Uganda? Are there no DNC members associated with The Family? I doubt that is true.

[Elderberry]

I don't, however, want to have the same boring partisan back-and-forth.

unfortunately, my dear, you are so hopelessly partisan, oblivious to the importance of questions that do not fit into your incredibly myopic worldview, and insulting to any contrary position posted to any of your threads, that i doubt you will never be able to create a decent debate around here.

JK .... be careful of info on the internet!!!! there are a lot of lies out there ..... not that this is one, but you know how much crap is out there and yes, it IS on all sides..... lies lies lies ......

I'm always careful, but thank you for the warning. Most of this story is true. I actually WATCH an interview with that guy on Rachael Maddow. I was intrigued that she could even stay calm while interviewing him. And no matter you might think of Rachael Maddow, you can't fake a live interview.

And speaking of "The Family" there are several Senators/Congressmen that are actually under investigation for living there and receiving rent at well below market value. For some interesting reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellow ... anization)

JK

[Elderberry]

Sodomy laws are not all that far in history of the U.S.A. In fact, there are, correct me if I'm wrong, still sodomy laws in a state or two.

Whether the GOP is involved with an organization that influences policy in a foreign land does not seem to be the thrust of the video. Is this guilt by association? So is everyone who has ever shopped at or worked for Good Will Industries also equally guilty of killings gays in Uganda? Are there no DNC members associated with The Family? I doubt that is true.

I believe all the Sodomy laws in the US have been overturned except "Three states have yet to repeal anti-homosexual "conduct" laws: Oklahoma, Kansas[4] and Texas."

Here are the dates, specifics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_law ... ted_States

RE: DNC involved with the family, not so much.

JK

[Eric]

Sodomy laws are not all that far in history of the U.S.A. In fact, there are, correct me if I'm wrong, still sodomy laws in a state or two

All existing US sodomy laws (which technically applied to gays & straights in many cases, though they were only used against gays) were invalidated by the Supreme Court in 2003: Lawrence v. Texas. Some states haven't repealed their laws but they're invalidated just the same.

Are there no DNC members associated with The Family? I doubt that is true.

There are- Bart Stupak (D-MI) is the best known. Extremely anti-abortion, extremely conservative christian. His term ends with this session of congress.

The Fellowship is an extremist christian organization and has members on both sides of the aisle, however it has far more Republicans than Democrats because of simple numbers- Republican legislators trend towards the conservative Christian side of the equation (not all are this extreme, and unlike a lot of people I don't see having religious values on its own as a problem).

The Ugandan legislator who has proposed the bill has acknowledged "the Fellowship's" involvement in it, but to say that connects the entire GOP to it is ridiculous at best.

The bill no longer call for death, "just" life imprisonment. Oh, if you know someone gay & don't report them you get to go to jail for up to 3 years. All for the children, of course.

[Simon of the Playa]

so, a Buddhist Monk, A Rabbi, and a Catholic Priest are on a boat when it hits an iceberg and begins sinking.

The Buddhist Monk says "My Brothers, we must Save the Children"

the Rabbi says " Feh, Fuck the children, i'm outta here!"

the Priest says "Do you think we have TIME?"

[ygmir]

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[lucky420]

Bwahahahahahaha