Have you been dosed?

Dork · Post by **Dork** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:44 pm

When I first heard tales of people getting sprayed with water that contained LSD I thought it was just an urban legend but since then I've heard a few people say it's actually happened to them. What's the real deal? Have you received any unwanted surprises in your misting, food, or drink? Do you decline any of the above out of fear that it might contain something you don't want?

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:16 pm

My fears are real along these lines. I must take so many drug now it could be deadly to mix some thing else in. Alcohol is # one. I drink only my stuff and it is covered when i'm drinking it.

Jordan 10-E · Post by **Jordan 10-E** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:49 pm

I think the chances of this are so incredibly small that, for me at least, it's not even an issue.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:10 pm

where do i sign up?

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:20 pm

Jordan 10-E wrote:I think the chances of this are so incredibly small that, for me at least, it's not even an issue.

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Tell that to one of our playa honeys that have been drug raped.

Dork · Post by **Dork** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:31 pm

Tell that to one of our playa honeys that have been drug raped.

Is this a story you've heard first-hand or a someone on the internet said they heard it happened type of deal? I'm sure it's happened at least once.. just trying to get an idea of the actual numbers.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:40 pm

Dork wrote:
Tell that to one of our playa honeys that have been drug raped.
Is this a story you've heard first-hand or a someone on the internet said they heard it happened type of deal? I'm sure it's happened at least once.. just trying to get an idea of the actual numbers.

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No atter the number ne is to manny.

No it is not just some thing I heard of hand. Early on this years Eplaya a girl told her story of drug rape. More than anything else she was pissed and warning others.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:55 pm

I doubt I would turn down any drinks of water or water sprays or such. If someone deliberately dosed me without my knowledge, I would feel the onset of the drug and should be able to determine what it is (blame my youthful indescretions). If the source was identifiable (should be, look for the tripped out folks deliberately squirting strangers)- they would then have to deal with an extremely angry, violent person trying to beat them to a pulp. And as the LSD kicked in harder, this would less and less pleasant to them- rest assured.

I've never understood the appeal to violate someone's consciousness without permission. I haven't touched LSD since I was 17 for a reason. After numerous episodes I determined that me and LSD do not get along, so I try to stay far away from it. I feel it akin almost to rape in a way, but of a mental variety. Not everyone has peace and love experiences from LSD and its ilk.

Now if they dosed me with opiates, hmmmmm...

Rendrag · Post by **Rendrag** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:18 pm

Dork wrote:When I first heard tales of people getting sprayed with water that contained LSD,,,,

OK, I'm showing my total ignorance regarding LSD, but is it possible to get high from just being sprayed with water containing the stuff??

Zona_the_stona · Post by **Zona_the_stona** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:30 pm

very possible. LSD can be absorbed through the pores in your skin.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:33 pm

Rendrag wrote:
Dork wrote:When I first heard tales of people getting sprayed with water that contained LSD,,,,
OK, I'm showing my total ignorance regarding LSD, but is it possible to get high from just being sprayed with water containing the stuff??

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Yes, In the old days when the cops would raid a house. The mixers were knowen to shake hands with the cop if they got a chance. A glove full of the stuff could enter the blood stream through the shin. In an other time for me. If we didn't have a rig. we woud pick a soar and keep it open. Rub the shit in. These new junkies would never get off if they did'nt have a needle. But then what do I know. I've been clean for 42 years June 22 last.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:42 pm

IT happened to my fiance at last year's (San Francisco) decompression.

bullD · Post by **bullD** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:03 pm

Read, again, the back of your ticket.
This is warning that anything can happen and most likely will. However, my opinion of something like this happening is that it is highly UN-likely but not an impossibility.
There is so much going on that can harm you and in so many ways that you really should try to be aware of your surroundings damn near all of the time.
I KNOW, easier said than done...

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:09 am

So anyone know the legal implications if someone get's caught doing this? I would assume (in addition to the drug charges) that there would be an assualt&battery charge. How many years could someone expect to get for doing something this stupid if they were caught and found guilty? (besides the risk of getting themselves beaten to a pulp by an angry mob)

What do you think the LEO would do if you sprayed them with (harmless) water from a squirt gun? Would this count as an assault&battery?

I only bring this up in case someone is reading this and thinks they have a "good idea" for their art project this year...DON'T!

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:18 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:IT happened to my fiance at last year's (San Francisco) decompression.

So THAT's why I didn't see y'all to say goodnight....

shitmouse · Post by **shitmouse** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:14 pm

i haven't, but my friend ate some cactus thinking it was some fungus.
--(ever see a naked blonde guy wearing nothing but guiness? rough night for him).
-b

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:36 pm

I think "dosing" should be punishable by public beating and rape with a curling iron.

zzberlin · Post by **zzberlin** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:37 pm

yeah, dosing is bad bad bad.
and this from someone who likes superdosing.
but you can't impose it on other people,
I don't think it's appropriate. You might
set a fragile type over the edge. NO FUN.

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:16 pm

I put down my drink to tie my shoes at a Seattle burner pajama party.

I'm pretty sure I picked up someone *else's* good time and that they were wandering around the party wondering when the hell the drugs were going to kick in.

I got dosed with a great deal (I'm a lightweight) of something - but I really don't think it was anyone's intention to dose me.

Made for an interesting night, that's for damn sure.

BAS · Post by **BAS** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:19 pm

Considering my problems with depression and OCD, and the medications I am on, I most definitely wound NOT want anyone to dose me! I wouldn't rule out using physical violence on anyone doing that!

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:29 pm

I'm usually very careful about accepting drinks from anyone. I usually don't take a spritz unless I'm out ranging with my campmates and/or very close to camp, either.

I did, however, semi-inadvertently dose one of my campmates a couple years ago. A group of us were getting ready to go out adventuring on Burn Night and they asked me to get my lotus wine. So I went back to my shelter and came back, giving some to everyone who asked.

One of my campmates asked me what kind of experience should she expect and I started to describe what happens when you drink lotus: linear thought processes replaced by radial, Buddhist, Hindu and Tibetan artworks are to lotus as impressionism is to absinthe, mild tracks and streaks, heightened empathic response and general euphoria.

Another of my campmates gave me a stricken look and said, "You mean I'm going to get HIGH off this!?!" and started to freak a little. He said that when I described it as like "a very, very mild acid" he thought I meant <b>acid</b>, like vinegar. His biggest concern was that it would show up on an employers' drug test, so I apologized profusely and told him that it was 100% legal, very benign, virtually no side effects and they don't test for it anyway, no chance of it turning up. I stuck with my campmates throughout the evening and made sure they were doing okay. Most did; the rest just fell asleep

As for my campmate who was worried, he wound up rather enjoying it.

So...honest mistake, wires crossed, no harm no foul.

Wiskers69 · Post by **Wiskers69** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:26 pm

I got a dose of the clap once, it wasn't at burning man though

bullD · Post by **bullD** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:09 pm

zzberlin wrote: and this from someone who likes superdosing.

zz (aka, famous librarian),
Superdosing, now that sounds like fun to me. Look me up [camp redhead-- or I will be on my red pedicab] if you need a Superdosing partner.
The last time I did that, not at burningman and some years ago, my buddy whom I superdosed with had a bit of a meltdown, he he he, his idea too.

JezebelinHell · Post by **JezebelinHell** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:43 am

I've never understood the practice of nonconsensual dosing. If you have a spray bottle full of acid, why not sell it to little raver kids for 10 bucks a squirt and make back all the money you spent on your ticket? Hell, you could probably get a spraybottle full of water and do that though...

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:15 am

PurpleKoosh wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:IT happened to my fiance at last year's (San Francisco) decompression.
So THAT's why I didn't see y'all to say goodnight....

Well, I was too sick to go, and he ended up at the offices until he was fit to drive home.

dj_john69 · Post by **dj_john69** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:54 pm

Honestly, i don't think that someone would or could bring that much acid to the Playa to fill a sprayer...even if you added water, it wouldn't be potent.

I'm always down for a dose...make sure it's not watered down please !!!

~John

zzberlin · Post by **zzberlin** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:56 pm

Jezebel, yhe idea is that with surreptitious dosing, you could share
something really great with someone who might have been too inhibited
to try it otherwise. Of course some people may do it for shits and giggles too.

bullD, I'm not really into superdosing any more since I turned out more like your friend : )

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:14 pm

zzberlin wrote:Jezebel, yhe idea is that with surreptitious dosing, you could share something really great with someone who might have been too inhibited to try it otherwise.

Or you could dose someone who is on a prescription that interacts violently with hallucinogens, and end their Burning Man experience entirely - if not worse.

I have no objection to better living through chemistry. But please - let ME decide when, where, and how to alter my consciousness.

Hotspur · Post by **Hotspur** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:34 pm

The biggest issue with unwanted drugs is almost certainly Rohipnol and similar drugs. I'd be shocked if there weren't a dozen cases -- if not more -- of this at BM every year. As a general rule of thumb it's a very bad idea (especially for women) to drink anything that you don't see poured -- particularly heavily sugarred mixed drinks -- or to leave an open drink with someone you don't know well.

I know women for whom this rule applies year-round, at bars, etc, and I can't say I blame them.

I'm curious, too, however, about people putting LSD in their water sprayers. I carry a sprayer around with me and make a lot of friends by helping people cool off. It hadn't even occured to me that people could try to drug people this way, and I'd be very curious if anyone had been maliciously dosed by a stranger in this case.

I don't think that the drugs that you could apply via water sprayer (like LSD) would tend to work as date-rape drugs, which I think have to be injested, but it's not like I have any first-hand knowledge about date-rape drugs so I couldn't really tell you.

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:45 pm

LSD and Rohipnol don't work the same way. LSD is "transparent," meaning you see "reality" and the LSD "enhances" it. You don't pass out from LSD; you remain aware and can move around.

Rohipnol, on the other hand, renders you immobile and unconscious. The lights go out, and you "lose" the time you're out, and you can't move while you're under the influence. Often you don't know you've been dosed until you "suddenly" wake up somewhere strange and don't know how you got there.

By the way, cranberry juice is considered an effective antidote to the effects of Rohipnol.

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