BLM Permit Renewal

bigbluedoggy · Post by **bigbluedoggy** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:09 pm

I did a search for info on this, but didn't find anything current. I believe the LLC is in the process of getting renewal for our permit for 2011 thru 2015, with a new cap of 60,000 residents. Have we heard anything about the public hearings or how this is progressing? Is it already done?

Risky · Post by **Risky** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:24 pm

The hearing was crazy positive.

Rolando Espinosa was the name of the BLM Field Manager of the Black Rock Field Office who held the meeting here in Reno.
He made it clear that his three issues were Safety, Sustainability and Legality of the event.
Those three issues would determine the renewal status.

Will Rogers did a great job addressing each of his issues.

The BLM had continued to accept emails that addressed these issues until December 13th, 2010.

BLM says a decision will not be made before May 2010.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:52 pm

Risky wrote:...BLM says a decision will not be made before May 2010.

Is this an autoreply?

bigbluedoggy · Post by **bigbluedoggy** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:59 pm

Did you attend the Reno hearing Risky? Was there much opposition present? Curious how the hearings closer to Gerlach went. Thanks for the info!

Risky · Post by **Risky** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:05 pm

Thanks, Bob.
It should be 2011.

BBD -
I did attend the meeting and there were about 100 people most with positive things to say about the event.

A gentleman made a fantastic point that while BM maybe LNT, that most neighboring communities have a problem with BM attendees dumping trash
and littering. He suggested trash detail, as most big cities have. BM management was very amiable and asked if they could discuss that further after the meeting to hear his ideas.

Post by **Elderberry** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:40 pm

I think moonrise has some info too on how well the meeting went. He'll probably be commenting on the thread as well.

Though I am sure that the event will be permitted, what would happen if it were not? Tickets go on sale in days...

JK

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:23 pm

Money refunded, minus some sort of processing fee and no event this year? Plus some sort of push to find someplace else to do it? Then a collapse of the event, but regionals taking off in a big way.

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:30 pm

Naw, I was at the Reno public meeting, as well. As I gathered from others at the meeting, the other public meetings went pretty much the same way.

Concerns were trash along the routes (quite valid), and traffic before open gates and exodus.

Pretty minor, compared to previous years, but this "new guy" is serious about getting answers to open concerns and questions.

I'd say buy yer ticket, it'll happen, unless you are reading the "end of the world" thread.

Post by **Elderberry** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:37 pm

We're definitely buying our tickets. Hoping to be under 250 in the cue! Well under 1,000 anyway.

JK

bigbluedoggy · Post by **bigbluedoggy** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:37 pm

Oh I am soooo buying my ticket

Laughing Forest · Post by **Laughing Forest** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:09 pm

I am soooooooo hoping for a miracle.

Post by **Elderberry** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:33 pm

Laughing Forest wrote:I am soooooooo hoping for a miracle.

ROTFLMFAO!!!

The perreniel return, right on schedule. Why don't you grow up, get your life and your finances in order and maybe you wouldn't need to hope for miracles and depend on the kindness of strangers. It's getting old and wearing thin.

JK

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:33 pm

You seem to have said it yourself - or at least quoted as much.

"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds." -- Albert Einstein

moonrise · Post by **moonrise** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:02 am

I don't want to split hairs, I'm tired, overworked and underpaid but here goes...

Yes, "salt of the earth moonrise" (I ain't a hippie btw) relayed all messages from the Reno announce list to jkisha, b/c he showed interest in writing BLM before the Dec. 13th, 2010 deadline. (did ya jk?)

I also wrote back n forth a couple of times to a very nice guy, first name Dave as I recall, he was the BLM guy previous to the current BLM guy and he wrote back some thoughtful and very positive responses...it got a bit sad when he hit upon the Empire/Gerlach situation.

It answers got MUCH better when I wrote around the GLOBE, to politically powerful family members and politically powerful family friends, all much smarter than little old me, haha, all of them are genius "monkey wrench" types...scary good, everything done all nice, neat and legal, hmph!

"...when burning man hit's or comes close to going over 60,000 population....they'll just re-apply and re-apply again every time it get's close to a cap....and get re-approved"

"...isn't that playa 400 miles long?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I recycle and hope for some ecology on this planet but I won't apologize enjoying life, especially after paying federal taxes on that land myself, will you?

Black Rock Desert is federal BLM land, every American owns it, we know and teach LNT, LNT is do-able in a do-acracy, it's easy enough.

The other local issues can be resolved, as Risky said.

Anyway, Reno, the region at large and the WORLD loves and needs BM!!

Buy your tickets! Relax, plan and what not, mm hmm...

See ya there...

Post by **mdmf007** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:35 pm

The cap is based on the ability amongst other things to evacuate the playa. The capacity of the road system is the biggest determining factor.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:19 pm

So, it's going to stay at 50,000.

moonrise · Post by **moonrise** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:41 am

My first choice will be the "Nevada Regional"

Or maybe a big beach?

junglesmacks · Post by **junglesmacks** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:10 am

Laughing Forest wrote:I am soooooooo hoping for a miracle.

This has to be a sock.

gaminwench · Post by **gaminwench** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:20 am

JS... check Laughing Forest's past posts; every year this happens ( and somehow is successful)!

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:49 pm

She could be a sock.

I was so tempted to say to her "Tell us something new" but didn't want to acknowledge her appearance. Tired of her, tired of her begging and tired of her Marxest Post-Pavlovian pet sitting. I really should plonk her, because I'm not to be trusted around her.

junglesmacks · Post by **junglesmacks** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:06 am

gaminwench wrote:JS... check Laughing Forest's past posts; every year this happens ( and somehow is successful)!

Actually I did.. and it's pretty glaring that every post is so overly crystal sucking in a semi cynical way that I'm pretty damn sure that "it" exists solely for performance art via stirring up shit. Read through it all and I think it becomes obvious..

Post by **Sham** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:17 am

Don't you people be disrespecting the woman I love. Sure, I only know her from the posts here, but that bright sparkle in her eyes really turns me on. We could be soul mates and not even know it.

Oh my dear Laughing Forest, they know not what they do. You go for that free ticket, and maybe we can gaze into each others eyes this year!

1durphul · Post by **1durphul** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:47 pm

Laughing Forest wrote:I am soooooooo hoping for a miracle.

Magnets.

BAS · Post by **BAS** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:53 am

Well, I am also hoping for a miracle-- but probably not the same one.

(Mine involves elves, unicorns, and scantily clad barbarian women.... oh, and airships! 'cause airships rule!)

bigbluedoggy · Post by **bigbluedoggy** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:32 pm

*Bump*

OK, it's not May yet, but curious if anyone has heard anything new on this. Thanks!

graidawg · Post by **graidawg** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:08 pm

BAS wrote:Well, I am also hoping for a miracle-- but probably not the same one.

(Mine involves elves, unicorns, and scantily clad barbarian women.... oh, and airships! 'cause airships rule!)

oo me tooo! and valhalla and a trojan horse and some sort of bar that involves boobies and posibly some sort of death camp oh and getting to BM

oh and fire, fire and explosions fire and explosions and alcohol. fire and explosions and alcohol, while sitting on a unicorn with an elf piloting my airship.

yea that'll do for now. . . .

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:10 am

graidawg wrote:
BAS wrote:Well, I am also hoping for a miracle-- but probably not the same one.

(Mine involves elves, unicorns, and scantily clad barbarian women.... oh, and airships! 'cause airships rule!)

oo me tooo! and valhalla and a trojan horse and some sort of bar that involves boobies and posibly some sort of death camp oh and getting to BM

oh and fire, fire and explosions fire and explosions and alcohol. fire and explosions and alcohol, while sitting on a unicorn with an elf piloting my airship.

yea that'll do for now. . . .

What???? No TWINKIES????

Post by **AntiM** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:53 pm

Mine involves a time machine and my 18 year old body.

DhammaSeeker · Post by **DhammaSeeker** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:38 pm

bigbluedoggy wrote:*Bump*

OK, it's not May yet, but curious if anyone has heard anything new on this. Thanks!

Officials for the U.S. Bureau of Land Management approved the special recreation permit Wednesday for a 4,400-acre section of the Black Rock Desert in Pershing County about 10 miles northeast of Gerlach.

source: http://www.rgj.com/article/20110330/NEW ... mit-Nevada

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:48 pm

This is a little frustrating. BLM has raised other groups standards to those that Burning Man set for itself...what more do they want from us? Maybe theyd be a little nicer if we started bringing firearms again.