Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:03 pm

montanaprometheus wrote:
jkisha wrote:montanaprometheus I think you should quit while you are ahead. Reading some of your arguments are starting to make me think we actually do need a whole lot more regulation.

JK
Regulation is just another way of violating rights. There are no "good" rights, or "bad" rights. I highly suggest this video for you: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6013426

There are just Rights, these aren't privileges, if you want to try to violate my rights come do it yourself instead of hiring bureaucrats to do it for you.

You've been out in the woods for far too long. You need to reintegrate yourself back into society and take a real course from a real college on the history of the united states and our constitution.

JK

Montanarchist · Post by **Montanarchist** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:23 pm

jkisha wrote:
montanaprometheus wrote:
jkisha wrote:montanaprometheus I think you should quit while you are ahead. Reading some of your arguments are starting to make me think we actually do need a whole lot more regulation.

JK
Regulation is just another way of violating rights. There are no "good" rights, or "bad" rights. I highly suggest this video for you: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6013426

There are just Rights, these aren't privileges, if you want to try to violate my rights come do it yourself instead of hiring bureaucrats to do it for you.
You've been out in the woods for far too long. You need to reintegrate yourself back into society and take a real course from a real college on the history of the united states and our constitution.

JK

I'm happy where I'm at, perhaps you need to remove yourself from an environment where you are expected to conform to others expectations.

As for the constitution; I never signed it. All my Rights are natural Rights which predate all form of governments.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:30 pm

How does california, with no gun rights except for the rich and famous (and often not even them), have anything to do with the constitution?
We can't all live in a crime free gangster paradise like L.A., where no one can carry a gun.
Singapore is more comparable in this area, though L.A. crime might be a hundred times higher.
Thousand?

California's bizarre approach is likely to result in forced federal reciprocity laws, so that will be a good thing.

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:53 pm

montanaprometheus wrote:
jkisha wrote:
montanaprometheus wrote: Regulation is just another way of violating rights. There are no "good" rights, or "bad" rights. I highly suggest this video for you: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6013426

There are just Rights, these aren't privileges, if you want to try to violate my rights come do it yourself instead of hiring bureaucrats to do it for you.
You've been out in the woods for far too long. You need to reintegrate yourself back into society and take a real course from a real college on the history of the united states and our constitution.

JK
I'm happy where I'm at, perhaps you need to remove yourself from an environment where you are expected to conform to others expectations.

As for the constitution; I never signed it. All my Rights are natural Rights which predate all form of governments.

Ya, OK. And I suspect you're one of those people that thinks the don't have to pay taxes to the government too. In a civilized society both rights and privileges are spelled out in law, like it or not.

JK

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:18 pm

ygmir, this is the "medium" version. LMK how many you want;
http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=658

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:48 pm

well, CSS.......I'd like two, if you're askin'.........

Montanarchist · Post by **Montanarchist** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:02 pm

jkisha wrote:
montanaprometheus wrote:
jkisha wrote: You've been out in the woods for far too long. You need to reintegrate yourself back into society and take a real course from a real college on the history of the united states and our constitution.

JK
I'm happy where I'm at, perhaps you need to remove yourself from an environment where you are expected to conform to others expectations.

As for the constitution; I never signed it. All my Rights are natural Rights which predate all form of governments.
Ya, OK. And I suspect you're one of those people that thinks the don't have to pay taxes to the government too. In a civilized society both rights and privileges are spelled out in law, like it or not.

JK

WRONG. Rights were never "spelled out" they were enumerated. M. Webster defines that word as Listed or Counted these Rights existed before this government, they have no right to limit, regulate or in any way fuck with them.

Luckily for you I'm a firm believer in the Non-aggression principle so you have nothing to fear from my firearms or other means of coercion. All I ask in return is the same, respect my Rights and I'll do the same for you. I suspect that you believe you have the "right" to tell other how to live, be it self defense via gun gun laws, or stealing the works of their labor and forcing them to support people you deem more "needy." (This translates to: yes, I think taxes are theft)[/i]

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:06 pm

ygmir, they were out of stock. I sent 2 others to replace the autos;
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimedia/ ... d=29123560

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:41 pm

montanaprometheus wrote:
jkisha wrote:
montanaprometheus wrote: I'm happy where I'm at, perhaps you need to remove yourself from an environment where you are expected to conform to others expectations.

As for the constitution; I never signed it. All my Rights are natural Rights which predate all form of governments.
Ya, OK. And I suspect you're one of those people that thinks the don't have to pay taxes to the government too. In a civilized society both rights and privileges are spelled out in law, like it or not.

JK
WRONG. Rights were never "spelled out" they were enumerated. M. Webster defines that word as Listed or Counted these Rights existed before this government, they have no right to limit, regulate or in any way fuck with them.

Luckily for you I'm a firm believer in the Non-aggression principle so you have nothing to fear from my firearms or other means of coercion. All I ask in return is the same, respect my Rights and I'll do the same for you. I suspect that you believe you have the "right" to tell other how to live, be it self defense via gun gun laws, or stealing the works of their labor and forcing them to support people you deem more "needy." (This translates to: yes, I think taxes are theft)[/i]

Luckily for me? Why would you say that?

JK

Montanarchist · Post by **Montanarchist** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:28 pm

jkisha wrote:
montanaprometheus wrote:
jkisha wrote: Ya, OK. And I suspect you're one of those people that thinks the don't have to pay taxes to the government too. In a civilized society both rights and privileges are spelled out in law, like it or not.

JK
WRONG. Rights were never "spelled out" they were enumerated. M. Webster defines that word as Listed or Counted these Rights existed before this government, they have no right to limit, regulate or in any way fuck with them.

Luckily for you I'm a firm believer in the Non-aggression principle so you have nothing to fear from my firearms or other means of coercion. All I ask in return is the same, respect my Rights and I'll do the same for you. I suspect that you believe you have the "right" to tell other how to live, be it self defense via gun gun laws, or stealing the works of their labor and forcing them to support people you deem more "needy." (This translates to: yes, I think taxes are theft)[/i]
Luckily for me? Why would you say that?

JK

What that means is since I'm not a criminal and also follow the NAP you can stop fearing the firearms I own. As it's been pointed out a criminal action will not be deterred by a lack of Firearms. When the UK and Australia essentially banned firearm ownership they saw a huge spike in sword violence (I'm not kidding)They banned swords and then the knivings went up. People will find a way to be a violent criminal if they want, no matter what the laws say. The worst "terrorist act" on Us soil was committed with box cutters, (would you make these illegal?) the second worst was committed with diesel fuel, a rental truck, and fertilizer.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:57 pm

well said, MP.

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:40 pm

montanaprometheus wrote:
jkisha wrote:
montanaprometheus wrote: WRONG. Rights were never "spelled out" they were enumerated. M. Webster defines that word as Listed or Counted these Rights existed before this government, they have no right to limit, regulate or in any way fuck with them.

Luckily for you I'm a firm believer in the Non-aggression principle so you have nothing to fear from my firearms or other means of coercion. All I ask in return is the same, respect my Rights and I'll do the same for you. I suspect that you believe you have the "right" to tell other how to live, be it self defense via gun gun laws, or stealing the works of their labor and forcing them to support people you deem more "needy." (This translates to: yes, I think taxes are theft)[/i]
Luckily for me? Why would you say that?

JK
What that means is since I'm not a criminal and also follow the NAP you can stop fearing the firearms I own. As it's been pointed out a criminal action will not be deterred by a lack of Firearms. When the UK and Australia essentially banned firearm ownership they saw a huge spike in sword violence (I'm not kidding)They banned swords and then the knivings went up. People will find a way to be a violent criminal if they want, no matter what the laws say. The worst "terrorist act" on Us soil was committed with box cutters, (would you make these illegal?) the second worst was committed with diesel fuel, a rental truck, and fertilizer.

Where, in any of my posts have I ever advocated making guns illegal? I wouldn't say I'm in the choir, but I certainly don't need convincing of your right to own firearms. I just don't find the arguments you presented as being the best defense of your rights

JK

Montanarchist · Post by **Montanarchist** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:25 pm

jkisha wrote:
montanaprometheus wrote:
jkisha wrote: Luckily for me? Why would you say that?

JK
What that means is since I'm not a criminal and also follow the NAP you can stop fearing the firearms I own. As it's been pointed out a criminal action will not be deterred by a lack of Firearms. When the UK and Australia essentially banned firearm ownership they saw a huge spike in sword violence (I'm not kidding)They banned swords and then the knivings went up. People will find a way to be a violent criminal if they want, no matter what the laws say. The worst "terrorist act" on Us soil was committed with box cutters, (would you make these illegal?) the second worst was committed with diesel fuel, a rental truck, and fertilizer.
Where, in any of my posts have I ever advocated making guns illegal? I wouldn't say I'm in the choir, but I certainly don't need convincing of your right to own firearms. I just don't find the arguments you presented as being the best defense of your rights

JK

I'm glad to hear that. But no matter how poor an argument I made for gun Rights it wouldn't matter, it is a RIGHT not a privilege. No matter how many of the sheeple roll over, piss themselves and comply with limitations, it doesn't mean the violation is proper.

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:21 pm

montanaprometheus wrote: I'm glad to hear that. But no matter how poor an argument I made for gun Rights it wouldn't matter, it is a RIGHT not a privilege. No matter how many of the sheeple roll over, piss themselves and comply with limitations, it doesn't mean the violation is proper.

Have you ever been to Burning Man?
Are you going this year?
If so, will you be at the meet-n-greet?

JK

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:28 pm

Im not current on this thread, but go to 4th of Juplaya and talk about gun rights. Im all for firearms! Just cant own one for 18 months.

Montanarchist · Post by **Montanarchist** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:13 pm

jkisha wrote:
montanaprometheus wrote: I'm glad to hear that. But no matter how poor an argument I made for gun Rights it wouldn't matter, it is a RIGHT not a privilege. No matter how many of the sheeple roll over, piss themselves and comply with limitations, it doesn't mean the violation is proper.
Have you ever been to Burning Man?
Are you going this year?
If so, will you be at the meet-n-greet?

JK

This will be my first burn. Though I did try to make it back in'92, but my buddy's vehicle had different plans.

I haven't made any contact with the MT guys yet... or which meet-n-greet are you referring to?

FIGJAM · Post by **FIGJAM** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:19 pm

Barbie death village 6pm thurs.

Montanarchist · Post by **Montanarchist** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:27 pm

FIGJAM wrote:Barbie death village 6pm thurs.

A meet-n-greet four days after the start?

Let me check my schedule... Yeah, I could probably squeeze that in between getting fucked-up and falling down.

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:13 am

I thought you were going to be enlightened.

JK

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:19 am

Stack up all this idiot thread drift and 3" 12 gauge double buck the fuck out of it. Guys... Guns, Bullets, 30 round clips, talk about your goddamn groovy meeting somewhere else.

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:15 pm

.22 rimfire, sold at Big 5 and legal in California.

Montanarchist · Post by **Montanarchist** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:50 am

jkisha wrote:I thought you were going to be enlightened.

JK

Um, was this addressed towards me?

Nope, I'm an endarkened transcendentalist, but I'll try to remain serious at the Meet-N-Greet even if I'm not sober.

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:40 am

montanaprometheus wrote:
jkisha wrote:I thought you were going to be enlightened.

JK
Um, was this addressed towards me?

Nope, I'm an endarkened transcendentalist, but I'll try to remain serious at the Meet-N-Greet even if I'm not sober.

It was. Looking forward to meeting you.

JK

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:08 am

After reading complaints about cheap die-cast pieces, it appears that the S&W is better;

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:52 pm

22 ???????????
223....better

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:55 am

.223 is a Man's caliber! Id go for 7.62x39....but not legal in CA.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:04 am

What about the ten round specials?
I thought those were made just for california?

I think the garand is allowed there, a true military rifle.

So weird.

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:20 am

gyre wrote:What about the ten round specials?
I thought those were made just for california?

I think the garand is allowed there, a true military rifle.

So weird.

AK is the only way to go, in my mind. Fuck the single stack 10 round mags! I cant wait till my probations over!

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:37 am

The ten round models can be converted.

I'm looking for a hand crank if you know anyone with one.
Bet those aren't legal there either.

Thought everything there had to be ten round, including handguns?

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