Survival

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Sailman, any idea should be extended to it's logical conclusion. Are these newly-armed people going to shoot cops, revenooers,,, looters,,, ,,,bankers,,, politicians,,,U.S. military,,,each other??
Do they realize who the true architects of our disaster,,, are? If the Saudis quit selling oil for worthless paper, who is to blame? If the fuel tanker trucks no longer roll into your city, what action is best?,,, worst?
Arms may stop losses and attacks but, they WON'T produce necessities.
If "we" shoot LEOs, they will disappear from the streets. If "we" shoot military, they will respond with heavier weapons. Once the streets become too dangerous, supplies will stop arriving.
I'm well armed. But, I believe that food supplies are FAR more important than arms. Watch "A Boy and His Dog" or "Thunderdome". There aren't any women or children. They were all collateral damage to competition for necessities.
The PTB does not need to come in and round up malcontents. They can just cut off supplies,,,, dis-allow weapons to those who come for relief,,, send them all to camps that are set up to be the only centers for supply.
They worked that scenario out a long time ago.
http://www.irishholocaust.org/britain%27scoverup

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Since survival is so closely tied to employment, here are some statistics relevant to China that are very important. http://beforeitsnews.com/story/298/654/ ... ening.html

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I'm still harping on employment. Seems that somebody in San Francisco made the claim that the stimulus hadn't produced one single job;
http://vitalsignsblog.blogspot.com/2010 ... reate.html
D.C. is desperate and they're trying desperate measures,,,,,, stupid AND desperate.
If spending $ 14 trillion can't produce jobs, what will?

[Sail Man]

Sailman, any idea should be extended to it's logical conclusion. Are these newly-armed people going to shoot cops, revenooers,,, looters,,, ,,,bankers,,, politicians,,,U.S. military,,,each other??
Do they realize who the true architects of our disaster,,, are? If the Saudis quit selling oil for worthless paper, who is to blame? If the fuel tanker trucks no longer roll into your city, what action is best?,,, worst?
Arms may stop losses and attacks but, they WON'T produce necessities.
If "we" shoot LEOs, they will disappear from the streets. If "we" shoot military, they will respond with heavier weapons. Once the streets become too dangerous, supplies will stop arriving.
I'm well armed. But, I believe that food supplies are FAR more important than arms. Watch "A Boy and His Dog" or "Thunderdome". There aren't any women or children. They were all collateral damage to competition for necessities.
The PTB does not need to come in and round up malcontents. They can just cut off supplies,,,, dis-allow weapons to those who come for relief,,, send them all to camps that are set up to be the only centers for supply.
They worked that scenario out a long time ago.
http://www.irishholocaust.org/britain%27scoverup

Who can tell who they plan to shoot, me, it's my intent to use my weapons defensively, and yes they can produce necessities: Food.

Not to mention ammo can be a barter commodity.

Food is also a good commodity, I stock up all around. Beans, bullets and butt wipe.

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I'm not arguing with you. I bought 1,000 lbs of grains and dried veggies. I also have 2 Russian military rifles and a couple of other arms. 5,000 rounds of ammo. TONS of other stuff. Also 10 acres of farmland on a good sized river. I just think that most people in a dense urban area would be best served to hunker down with a good stash of supplies. You just don't want to be anywhere near armed people who are scared. I've had quite a few guns pointed at me by scared people. It makes me VERY nervous. If I had been armed at the time, they would have been even MORE nervous.
Scared people with guns are as bad as drunk people with guns. I'll pass.

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Well, I've posted a whole boatload of info. Is it true? Is it relevant? Is it timely? This is your decision. Here are some numbers to help
In 1945, there were 2 billion people in the world. There were only 140 million in America. These 140 million people had 50 % of the manufacturing capacity in the world. We also had the majority of the world's gold. We had attitude and we had immense natural resources.
The Anglo empire was long on tooth and had collapsed. They had drug us into the war and they passed on the mantle of empire. They no longer had the resources to maintain control.

We brought great energies to a beaten down world. We destroyed old inefficient systems in Japan and a few other countries. We harnessed the energies of Japan and Germany into less nationalistic and more productive channels. We promoted interlocking economies in old Europe to diminish old tribal competitions.
The efficiencies of these systems buried the inefficiencies of Stalin and Khrushchev.
We were on a roll. But, incrementally, we lost our way.

We forgot that trading empires can have continuity but, bellicose empires have an expiration date. We forgot that total immorality in trade chases away trading partners. We forgot that paper money is not the same as wealth. We believed that weapons alone could keep the world in subjugation. We neglected an important lesson from history; All empires appear big at inception but, the rest of the world grows up around them. We are trying to substitute authoritarian rule for financial motivation. We are ignoring long-established financial rules.

The bond market is crashing. Bonds are to be used for big-capital projects. The U.S. built up a very high standard of living. When our wage standards were threatened by competition, we used bonds to maintain our standard of living. This is abuse of capital. The bonds can never be repaid because they were used to maintain inefficient institutions and non-competitive wages.

Municipal and state bonds will crash first. The FEDs are trying to stop the crash. Every bond that defaults chases out bond holders. Every dollar that is printed to save a bond chases out bond holders. Bond yields are being forced up. At the federal level, every 1 % increase in the interest rate increases the cost of debt service by 100 billion dollars.
The muni bond market is $ 3.1 trillion. Interest is rising fast. Just how much can the feds offer for bailouts? The November trade deficit is $ 145 billion.

The FED is pumping in trillions and trillions. The FED is the number one holder of U.S. debt,,,, ahead of China and Japan. China and Japan, et al produced goods to buy this debt. The FED just printed it out of thin air.
What does this mean to you?

GOV misused the capital from the bond markets to pay wages. The bond market is crashing. The wages from GOV will stop. GOV workers in Russia went for months and years without a paycheck when Russia defaulted. How do you think this will affect the economy?

The very smartest people at the top trading desks in New York said that the big collapse would start 6 months after QE II. Not sure if they meant 6 mo. after initiation or 6 mo after final injection. It's up to you to decide what all this means to you.
Dan

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Well, we've been told for about 2 years that our standard of living is going to go way down. It appears that the fall will be unevenly distributed. Some are still doing well. Some are slowly dying. As our output drops and our debt rises, GOV makes an attempt to even things out with injections here and there. At the end of the day, GOV has been impotent to create jobs that are productive.
GOV expects to hire 27,000 more auditors to implement new taxes. Just more parasitism.
The banking and GOV industries saw this coming first. They raped the system first. This will postpone their day of reckoning. I'm sure that you're all aware of their state of finance.

Like all countries with shrinking productivity and shrinking wealth, America will have a shrinking standard of living.
The British and French and Greeks are protesting a drop in what they receive from GOV. The ongoing wealth-transfer from the middle class to the ultra rich has left their GOV penniless. This is one facet of the West losing it's employment niche to low-wage competitors. The enormous parasitism of GOV and banking contributed to the West being non-competitive. The stupidity of outsourcing made it worse. The stupidity of buying foreign manufactured stuff sped up the process.

We're shrinking whether we like it or not.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/

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This entry has a fair bit of speculation.
Matt Simmons says that the Gulf of Mexico is dead. Now, Matt Simmons is dead.
http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in ... rip-videos
Here's a vid where he talks about the effects of the oil and dispersant in the gulf;

There are claims that his heart attack was not natural. Col. Tom Bearden says that GOV has weapons that cause a heart attack very easily.

OK, now the Earl of Stirling explains how the oil affects the circulation of the various currents that we call the gulf stream;

The gulf stream is part of the Atlantic conveyor. Evidence suggests that the Atlantic conveyor brings warm water to parts of Europe and America. There is much discussion of what would happen of the Atlantic conveyor stopped circulating;
http://faculty.washington.edu/wcalvin/t ... ker99.html
At the moment, you could easily get the Brits to believe that they didn't get as much warm water as they were used to.
Britain and Japan are the 2 worst financial basket cases. If Britain should suffer serious agricultural problems due to cold weather, this would make the situation much worse.
If you read the probable? effects of a shutdown of the Atlantic Conveyor, you can see why I posted this in "survival"
Dan

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This page has a documentary about the cessation of the Atlantic conveyor. I didn't watch it. LMK if it's interesting;
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/gulf-str ... t-ice-age/

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This is part one of a 3 part "show" from the "Twilight Zone" Something to think about. Especially for ygmir

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Why does this NOT sound like a good idea?
http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.p ... _To_Kansas

[ygmir]

This is part one of a 3 part "show" from the "Twilight Zone" Something to think about. Especially for ygmir

yeah, that one really hits home.....I've spent a lot of time thinking regarding that episode.

[Sail Man]

How about Shelter Skelter?


Theres another one I'm trying to remember about a guy in a bomb shelter with all his canned goods, and no can opener.

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Well, I'm back to employment. This is a very good paper that tries to illuminate the true unemployment. GOV is borrowing money to keep people working. Lately, they have been printing money to keep people working.
http://danielamerman.com/articles/Hiding.htm

ALL of you need to be serious about job continuity. Bond sales are drying up. Bond redemption is kicking in. That means printing,,, and austerity. The resulting hyperinflation will kick YOUR ass.
If you only bring in a few bucks, you can cut back enough to survive. I hope that you don't live in a cold climate.
Buy an old van,,, join a 24 hr gym with showers. Maybe, park it in a friends driveway [rotate friends] Offer to create gardens at a few friends houses that don't have the time to do it themselves.

If GOV doesn't print, it will default. If it does print, we will have high inflation. In the first case, there won't be any money anywhere. In the second, there will be lots of money [maybe not for you] but, there will be super-high prices.

Maybe the jobs shouldn't have been outsourced. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to come back. DO NOT hold out til your last dollar is gone. Make moves while you still have a bit of cash.
Last year, the states had a $300 billion shortfall. the feds made up about $ 200 billion. Spending bills have to originate in the House. The House will be rep controlled. Don't bet the farm on more bailouts.
Don't say I didn't warn you.

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A whole lot of survival downloads;
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/1 ... loads.html

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A lot of hot money is flowing into commodities at the same time that there are big crop failures. Food riots are scheduled for April;
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-0 ... -says.html

[unjonharley]

Fuud riots are now in the news every day..
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Did you save any seeds today??

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Harley, my place of choice to see this through is the Coquille River valley. Those people have tons of gardens and seeds. I bought enough seeds to plant 1 acre so, I'm covered. The riots that I'm talking about will come later. There is a lot of hot money leaving the bond market. Some of it will flow into commodities. This will have a huge effect for people who spend a large % of their income on food. Price isn't the only consideration. Supply is becoming a problem. http://www.activistpost.com/2011/01/cor ... begin.html
All the recent floods will only make it worse.
The U.S. has trashed the dollar. Oil and gold have always traded at a par. GOLD is going way up. If OPEC pushes up the price of oil, the price of food will go way up. The per-capita income in Saudi is 1/3 of what it was in 1970. OPEC can push up food but, then it will risk huge problems in the Middle-East.
Tunisia and Lebanon are going up in flames. NOBODY can come in there and make food cheaper. Egypt is soon to follow as far as destabilization. Imagine what the Republican Guard might do if both Egypt and Lebanon are in chaos. Saudi Arabia is starting to destabilize.
You can NOT threaten people who are starving. They do NOT listen.

The weather is going to turn very violent. We're already being hit by huge CMEs.
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/LAT ... 2small.gif
Look at the weather in Russia, Brazil, Australia, Pakistan. From what I've been told, this is only the start.
If GOV does not shut down feed-lot meat production, there will be a LOT of poor dying.

India and China are buying up farmland in other countries. They don't have near enough. There will be a lot of people competing for food. Wealth will be the decider.

[unjonharley]

People have been buying up wate rites all over the place..

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T Boone Pickens, the famous oil man has bought a huge aquifer in Texas. Then, there is Bush. He bought a place in Paraguay.
"Paraguay’s Acuifero Guarani is the largest fresh water aquifer in South America and is located under 4 entire countries.

If George Bush purchases a large enough ranch that provides him with control over access to the aquifer, he will be a power position to control fresh water rights for more than 200,000 South Americans."
I considered all this when i bought a place on a river,,, with a good spring,, and a well,,, and 55 inches of rain annually.

[unjonharley]

Have been learning to grow with less water..

This year I plan to over grow and give the extra...

Every year I grow good dirt for the following year..

This year I plan to feed the worms in sections..Just moving where I place the food/garbage.. They will move along and leave there good shit behind..

It was my job at the orphage to dig a hole between rows and pt the house scrap of garbage in.. They had great growing dirt by moving the rows each year..

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harley, I hope that you plan to "overgrow" a WHOLE lot;
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/01/7-r ... ecome.html
This weather is playing hell with harvests;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthc ... chaos.html

[unjonharley]

You don't want be to close to the Coquille today. It' running fast and digging new channels..```````````````````````````````````````````

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This is dire news. The world may run out of bacon;
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/obama-or ... ood-riots/

[unjonharley]

This is dire news. The world may run out of bacon;
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/obama-or ... ood-riots/

No more friends over in the evening to chew the fat..

[Ugly Dougly]

You don't want be to close to the Coquille today. It' running fast and digging new channels..```````````````````````````````````````````

Lovely area, though. That's close to Oregon's "banana belt".

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Well, I'm back to unemployment. The ignorance by the PTB is astounding. Here are a few quotes;
"Thomas is one of a fleet of economists from top university research departments, regional Fed banks, think tanks, and the wonky economic blogosphere, who were asked why U.S. job creation had stalled so spectacularly in the past decade. Liberals and free-market purists alike all said, "Good question," and almost to a person added some form of "I wish we knew the answer."

Another quote;
"American firms reap higher profits, which they invest in developing higher-value products that can't be made elsewhere"
Evidently, they have their heads up their collective asses so far that they don't know,,,,, high value products can be made anywhere.

"Hundreds of thousands of newly hired factory workers would make cutting-edge electrical and communications products, including semiconductors, satellites, cable-television equipment, and "cellular phones, modems, and facsimile and answering machines.""
Dumb fucks don't seem to know that WE don't make cell phones,,, and much of the other electronic stuff.

Another good example of "academic ivory tower " stupidity;
"A lot of people have been displaced due to technology and outsourcing," says Mark Thoma, an economics professor at the University of Oregon who writes the popular Economist's View blog. Those workers have often settled into worse jobs than the ones they lost, he adds, if they have found work at all. "That's not really what's supposed to happen."

So,,,, academic wishful thinking is supposed to trump market forces. BONEHEADS !
"Perhaps, some economists theorize, the United States isn't creating innovative jobs because its workforce isn't up to the challenge"
YUP, that's a given. We don't want to work for $ 10 a day.

There isn't any shortage of proposed solutions;
"Thoma, of the University of Oregon, says he has been lately rethinking whether the situation demands more pronounced government income redistribution to help those whom globalization has hurt the most."
YUP, that will fix things right up.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... s/70005/1/

[Sail Man]

This is dire news. The world may run out of bacon;
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/obama-or ... ood-riots/

I have been racing to get at least 1 yr of food in storage. I am getting close to gathering up enough dried goods for another round of super pails going into the closet.

I am also stocking more and more paper goods.

[Rabbi Dali Rick]

This whole selective News reporting thing has got me bugging a little. They are now leaving out major news articles to make room for entertainment news. The shooting in the police station in Detroit didn't make the news till late afternoon, but one of the Olsen sister's Sundance open has been on since it opened this morning. But we knew this already. It's just that it's getting so blatant that it's ludicrous. It just goes to show how fucked up shot is when Drudge Report is a better source of news than the TV or either of the Times.

the rebbi

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Sailman, one often hears that toilet paper is worth it's weight in gold in a crash. There is an alternative. When I was in the Arab countries, I got used to the toilets that wash your ass with a stream of water. Then, you just dry with a small towel. This cuts way down on the amount of paper goods needed. I would stash away a lot of different types of soap though.
A composting toilet shouldn't be difficult to modify for ass-washing.

Rabbi, 4/10 of a percent of American money is in the form of cash. Much of this circulates outside the country. The cheerleaders are doing their best to minimize any lack of confidence. Should a substantial number of people decide to withdraw cash and keep it at home, the system would freeze up in a few hours. There would be no way to unfreeze it. The cheerleaders are trying mightily to keep the monkey wrenches out of the system.

The alternative to deception is pandemonium.