jkisha wrote:
Why don't you just sue them for damages caused by your five hour wait, just lake every other red blooded American would. See how far that gets you.
JK
I guess I could try that... *sarcasm*
jkisha wrote:
Why don't you just sue them for damages caused by your five hour wait, just lake every other red blooded American would. See how far that gets you.
JK
Simon of the Playa wrote:ok then...we've reached a decision.
phul, go get on the horn and call your lawyer and stop wasting your time here with a bunch of kool-aid drinkers.
ok?
or is it necessary to get in the last word?
can you leave this thread? Or will it just kill you not to.
prove me wrong phul...prove that you Dont have to have the LAST WORD...
or prove me right.
it' sup to you.
1durphul wrote:Eric wrote:
Don't like it? Don't go. Seriously. It's not a corporation, you're not a shareholder, the only way you have any input in the LLC is it to either not buy a ticket so they don't get your money or volunteer and work to change it from within.
You've already said that you're too busy to volunteer (typical), so don't buy the ticket. Its pretty much your only option.
This is such a bullshit "America Love it or leave it" answer. There aren't only two options here. I don't have to be a worshiper of the LLC like most of the people in this thread. I also don't have to hate it. I don't hate the event. I enjoy the event. There are some big issues though, and they do deserve consideration.
Just so we're clear on where I am coming from: I think the BRC LLC does an excellent job of minding the terms of their BLM contract. But the BLM isn't the only one they have a contract with. They have sold tickets to an event, and that means a reasonable person should have some reasonable expectations about what they have paid for. 5 hour entry lines, in my opinion, is not reasonable. zero wait time, while it would be great, would also be an unreasonable expectation. 1 hour to get in, that is a reasonable expectation.
mdmf007 wrote:
its a private business - they do what they want in the manner they see fit.
1durphul wrote:And then Netflix comes along. Suddenly there is a real alternative to dealing with Blockbuster and [s]their shitty customer service policy.[/s] having to put down the Cheetos, hoist one's fat ass off the couch, get into the car and hit the brick and mortar.
Sic Pup wrote:1durphul wrote:And then Netflix comes along. Suddenly there is a real alternative to dealing with Blockbuster and [s]their shitty customer service policy.[/s] having to put down the Cheetos, hoist one's fat ass off the couch, get into the car and hit the brick and mortar.
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lambert13 wrote:I am a big NY Yankees fan. Love going to see games down in the Bronx.
Sometimes the wait to get out of the parking lots takes hours. It really pisses me off. But, I realize that I have a choice in the matter. I can continue to go and deal with it. Or stop going and not have to deal with it.
They are selling a service that I can either buy, or not.
Just because I pay them for that service does not entitle me to a voice about how they do their job. I vote with my credit card. That is all I can do.
Same thing here. You can write a letter and tell them how they can improve, but ultimately it is up to them how they run their business. All you can really do is vote with your wallet.
lambert13 wrote:I am a big NY Yankees fan. Love going to see games down in the Bronx.
Sometimes the wait to get out of the parking lots takes hours. It really pisses me off. But, I realize that I have a choice in the matter. I can continue to go and deal with it. Or stop going and not have to deal with it.
They are selling a service that I can either buy, or not.
Just because I pay them for that service does not entitle me to a voice about how they do their job. I vote with my credit card. That is all I can do.
Same thing here. You can write a letter and tell them how they can improve, but ultimately it is up to them how they run their business. All you can really do is vote with your wallet.
Stickygreen wrote:BM is raking in lots of cash, the anual budget that gets published is so padded, I can only imagine how many people need this event to happen for them to make money.
theCryptofishist wrote:Stickygreen wrote:BM is raking in lots of cash, the anual budget that gets published is so padded, I can only imagine how many people need this event to happen for them to make money.
You know, this a wide variety of people on this board and not all of them can read the afterburns and see the padding. Perhaps you can help, take 8, 10 items from the 2009 afterburn report and tell us what they should be, what criteria you used to get the figures and maybe check that against firms that might do those sorts of services. I'm sure that a better educated population of burners would enhance the burn.
Eric wrote:1durphul wrote:BRC LLC originally came into existence out of a need for an organized structure that the BLM/LEO's could interface with.
But what are they actually doing for the money we pay them annually?
To answer your first question- they do the same thing they've always done. Work with the BLM on permits & getting everything in order, and all the ground work to get the city infrastructure up & take it down (like those potties that are required for BMan to happen), and to make sure that the volunteers that you disdain so freely are there to run the airport, the medic tents, the rangers, the gate, the perimeter....
If there was no LLC there would be no event. Period. The BLM would never allow 60,000 people to just show up & party out there. Juplaya is already on their radar as it gets bigger, it may need to change in the near future as well.
Don't like it? Don't go. Seriously. It's not a corporation, you're not a shareholder, the only way you have any input in the LLC is it to either not buy a ticket so they don't get your money or volunteer and work to change it from within.
You've already said that you're too busy to volunteer (typical), so don't buy the ticket. Its pretty much your only option.
Eric wrote: but they have 50,000 voices shouting at them, not just yours, and they have their own agenda that may not mesh with yours.
theCryptofishist wrote:Eric wrote: but they have 50,000 voices shouting at them, not just yours, and they have their own agenda that may not mesh with yours.
And right here, 1derful, is, I think, a very good time to mention that you had a total melt down when members of the burningman tribe were yelling at you. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, and whatever credibility you might have gained by changing your name and posting thoughtful ideas is quickly running out. Just think about the amount of yelling that went out at bm headquarters this week, and be grateful that you weren't on that end of the ticket hell.
Didn't the llc provide some protection and grief/crisis counciling for Comfort and Joy in, well, 07, wasn't it? You'd think someone who'd been through that wouldn't be so gleeful about referring to mass suicide.
theCryptofishist wrote:IF you ever need a second wife, Eric, please give me right of first refusal. (love you)
Eric wrote:theCryptofishist wrote:IF you ever need a second wife, Eric, please give me right of first refusal. (love you)
Done.
However, if gay marriage ever gets legalized it'll be right of second refusal, 'cause The Boyfriend has dibs established.
theCryptofishist wrote:Eric wrote: but they have 50,000 voices shouting at them, not just yours, and they have their own agenda that may not mesh with yours.
And right here is, I think, a very good time to mention that you had a total melt down when members of the burningman tribe were yelling at you. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, and whatever credibility you might have gained by changing your name and posting thoughtful ideas is quickly running out.
Didn't the llc provide some protection and grief/crisis counciling for Comfort and Joy in, well, 07, wasn't it? You'd think someone who'd been through that wouldn't be so gleeful about referring to mass suicide.
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