Elevated Uranium Levels in Black Rock Desert

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Post by LostinReno » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:41 pm

Sic Pup wrote:
geospyder wrote:Hey LIR - I've seen you glow at night. Now I know why :shock:
Hmmm....just think, if the levels were high enough we'd have no more darkwad issues.
Ahahaha, you can see the locals at night! You haven't lived here long enough for that faint glow. :wink:

Yeah, my Endocrinologist told me that I was born a little too late for the above ground testing. I was born 3 years after they ended them. So in 3 years all that radiation just "disappeared"?What happened to all of it we blew up underground? My step-father was born in Babbitt, NV (now Hawthorn) at the weapons depot in 1944. He has a pituitary tumor (also tied in with radiation exposure) that thankfully has responded well to medication. So yeah, we basically live in a big ole pool of radioactive soup. Wheeeee!

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Post by Savannah » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:06 pm

I have got to stop licking the playa. :shock:

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Post by geospyder » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:11 pm

LIR - Did you ever find Project SHOAL? I ate lunch sitting at ground zero on June 23, 2006. It was only a 12.5 kiloton so I don't glow too much.
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Post by LostinReno » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:13 pm

geospyder wrote:LIR - Did you ever find Project SHOAL? I ate lunch sitting at ground zero on June 23, 2006. It was only a 12.5 kiloton so I don't glow too much.
I haven't cached much down there. I need to for Delorme squares. I've only been along 95 in the south. I've actually managed to avoid Las Vegas for almost a year and a half now! 8)

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Post by LostinReno » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:14 pm

Savannah wrote:I have got to stop licking the playa. :shock:
Ahahahaha, oh come on! You've got a lot of catching up to do!

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Post by theCryptofishist » Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:52 pm

Roberto Dobbisano wrote:Isotopia...


it does not surprise me.

the dumbing down of America and the realization that nobody gives a shit about history, hell, in a facebook-driven constant stream of new content self feedback loop society nobody even REMEMBERS 15 minutes ago.

and hence, no one cares.


now where is my bottle of Love canal Springs Premium water?
This is good news, I can have my 15 minutes of fame over and over!
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Post by theCryptofishist » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:22 pm

The link is interesting and scary and maybe not much of a surprise. If I remember I might ask around work about the clean up.
I think that general electric deliberately released radiation from their Walla Walla plant in order to see the effects. That would almost have to be in conjunction with the government.
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Post by teardropper » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:29 pm

Savannah wrote:I have got to stop licking the playa. :shock:
Yeah. It is tasty...
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Re: I've been going for years.

Post by chris2010 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:30 pm

Marscrumbs wrote:I bring my own food, water and my geiger counter to the Playa. Doesn't everybody?
Did you detect anything on the Playa? Where can I get a cheep geiger counter? :)
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Post by Isotopia » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:35 pm

Um, yes, but only to locate my bicycle should someone steal it.

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Re: I've been going for years.

Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:45 am

chris2010 wrote:
Marscrumbs wrote:I bring my own food, water and my geiger counter to the Playa. Doesn't everybody?
Did you detect anything on the Playa? Where can I get a cheep geiger counter? :)
It would be great to get a Soviet surplus one. :)

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Post by Isotopia » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:59 am

Regardless of what instrument you have utilizing a Geiger/Muller detector it will make no difference. The levels of U238 in the soil are too low to detect given the average efficiency of the instrument. You'll be wasting your money.

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Re: Elevated Uranium Levels in Black Rock Desert

Post by Mojori » Thu May 12, 2011 5:43 am

evaphoto wrote:When I was reading about the nuclear tests being conducted in the Nevada desert in the 40's and 50's, about 2 years ago, i suddenly thought, what about all he dust one gets into his/her lungs during the week at Burning Man? . . . :shock:
A good question and a reasonable concern Evaphoto. I have had the same concerns in the past but not so much now. Here is my two cents on the subject:

The Nevada Test Site where the U.S. has conducted the vast majority of its atmospheric tests (in the 1950s) and below grown tests until all of its testing ceased in 1992 is due east of Beatty, Nevada. Beatty, Nevada is about 385 miles southeast of Black Rock City. In other words, almost all of the nuclear detonations in the continental U.S. took place even farther from Burning Man than is San Francisco.

More importantly, most of the fallout from those nuclear tests blew west and northwest from the Nevada Test Site. This map showing the results of a National Cancer Institute study of radioactive fallout strongly suggests that Black Rock City is nowhere near as irradiated as are the Great Plains and Intermountain states of the U.S.: http://ndep.nv.gov/boff/radexp01.gif .

There was one underground test (The Project Shoal test) about 100 miles east of Carson City Nevada in 1963 but that is still over a hundred miles south of BRC. Plus, most of the radioactivity from that explosion went into the groundwater, not the air.

Southern Nevada has some pretty serious nuclear pollution ( http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/nev ... test-site/ ) but any radioactivity in the vicinity of Burning Man is comparatively much, much lower.

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Post by teardropper » Thu May 12, 2011 6:54 am

Yeah, nothing to do with that, but I do monitor the Japanese nuclear accident radiation. I would compare it to visits to the dentist, but I go to the dentist a lot.
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Post by Isotopia » Thu May 12, 2011 1:13 pm

More importantly, most of the fallout from those nuclear tests blew west and northwest from the Nevada Test Site. This map showing the results of a National Cancer Institute study of radioactive fallout strongly suggests that Black Rock City is nowhere near as irradiated as are the Great Plains and Intermountain states of the U.S.: http://ndep.nv.gov/boff/radexp01.gif .
I think you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. The uranium content in the soil/water in and around Gerlach has nothing at all to do with past weapons testing - although being in Nevada it is a normal thing to associate the state with.

The uranium content has everything to do with it being naturally occurring in parts of Nevada. You find uranium in all rocks but areas that have a history of geology formed most recently by mantle convection (and spreading) such as granites and spreading basins tend to have much higher concentrations of the element in them. Gerlach has both in spades.

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Post by Mojori » Fri May 13, 2011 12:24 am

Isotopia wrote:
More importantly, most of the fallout from those nuclear tests blew west and northwest from the Nevada Test Site. This map showing the results of a National Cancer Institute study of radioactive fallout strongly suggests that Black Rock City is nowhere near as irradiated as are the Great Plains and Intermountain states of the U.S.: http://ndep.nv.gov/boff/radexp01.gif .
I think you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. The uranium content in the soil/water in and around Gerlach has nothing at all to do with past weapons testing - although being in Nevada it is a normal thing to associate the state with.

The uranium content has everything to do with it being naturally occurring in parts of Nevada. You find uranium in all rocks but areas that have a history of geology formed most recently by mantle convection (and spreading) such as granites and spreading basins tend to have much higher concentrations of the element in them. Gerlach has both in spades.
Yes, we agree that remnant radioactivity from nuclear testing fallout at B.R.C. need not be a concern for those attending Burning Man; nuclear testing was done far away and the fallout generally didn't even blow in the direction of B.R.C. Perhaps Evaphoto was concerned only about naturally occurring Uranium being a health hazard at Burning Man (which you helpfully pointed out is at levels too low to be a problem for burners. Thank you!)

It appeared to me that perhaps Evaphoto was concerned also about Nevada nuclear testing fallout having contaminated Black Rock Desert at some point; her/his opening post contained a leading reference to that subject. I was hoping to help allay any worries Evaphoto, and others, may have had about nuclear testing fallout at B.R.C.

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Post by mdmf007 » Fri May 13, 2011 9:47 am

LA and Vegas are WAYYYY closer to the test site - as well as southern Utah, Northern AZ

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Post by ygmir » Fri May 13, 2011 10:05 am

there are uranium deposits just east of BRC, in the Kings River valley, near McDermott.

a lot of the petrified wood in that region is radioactive, as well.
Geothermal deposition being what it is. So, no surprise there is some, everywhere out there.
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Re: Elevated Uranium Levels in Black Rock Desert

Post by skibear » Wed May 18, 2011 5:56 pm

Mojori wrote: Southern Nevada has some pretty serious nuclear pollution ( http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/nev ... test-site/ ).
Um methinks the gray area on this map is Area 51?
True?
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Post by Playa+Tom » Wed May 18, 2011 9:41 pm

In the 60's there was one underground nuclear test east of Fallon not too far from Highway 50. As far as I can determine there was no leakage of radiation and the site is secure. There are several radiation monitoring stations in southern Nevada and Utah and none in the northern areas.

If you choose to be brave and face the dangers of Burning Man you will receive far more radiation from the sun than from any other source.

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Post by ygmir » Wed May 18, 2011 9:44 pm

I've seen the signs warning of radiation and AEC private lands, just west of the road from Frenchmans station to the scheelite mines, and rawhide (IIRC).
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Post by gyre » Wed May 18, 2011 10:14 pm

Has anyone a spare 40 cubic feet of lithium six or seven?


I have a pyro idea.


Besides, I think Black Rock City's bargaining position with nevada might be improved somewhat with thermonuclear capability.

Just a guess.

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Post by TurtleNut » Thu May 19, 2011 7:26 am

Elevated Uranium Levels in Black Rock Desert = Cancer

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Post by The Hustler » Thu May 19, 2011 7:56 am

TurtleNut wrote:Elevated Uranium Levels in Black Rock Desert = Cancer
So do microwaves (like your cell phone and if you nuke your dinner with the door open), X-rays, UV and other radiation to which we're exposed on a daily basis. Smokers happily breathe carcinogens and cars and buring things emit other carcinigens.

In New England, radioactive, radon naturally seeps out of the ground and is found in anything made of granite from there, including buildings and countertops.

Breathign anything airborne is bad for your lungs, including dust and particulate matter.

We're in a world of carcinogens and toxins -- some natural and many from our fucked up actions. What are you going to do? Try to hide? Or live your life.

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Re: Elevated Uranium Levels in Black Rock Desert

Post by BBadger » Thu May 19, 2011 7:58 am

skibear wrote:
Mojori wrote: Southern Nevada has some pretty serious nuclear pollution ( http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/nev ... test-site/ ).
Um methinks the gray area on this map is Area 51?
True?
:shock:
The airfield at Groom Lake ("Area 51") is just north of the nuclear test site and nothing has been blacked out on it even at the highest zoom levels.

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Post by Marscrumbs » Fri May 20, 2011 7:07 am

Danger from uranium in drinking water is chemisty not radiation. It's a heavy metal ion that hurts the kidney. I never drink the water on the playa and bring my own.

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Post by teardropper » Fri May 20, 2011 8:14 am

Marscrumbs wrote: I never drink the water on the playa
What water... ?
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Post by ygmir » Fri May 20, 2011 8:18 am

teardropper wrote:
Marscrumbs wrote: I never drink the water on the playa
What water... ?
evidently someone has not been to the well.............or baptismal ceremonies therein.
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Post by teardropper » Fri May 20, 2011 8:25 am

ygmir wrote: not been to the well.............or baptismal ceremonies therein.
Yeah... I mean no...

Huh... ?
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Post by mdmf007 » Sat May 21, 2011 11:01 pm

Playa+Tom wrote:In the 60's there was one underground nuclear test east of Fallon not too far from Highway 50. As far as I can determine there was no leakage of radiation and the site is secure. There are several radiation monitoring stations in southern Nevada and Utah and none in the northern areas.

If you choose to be brave and face the dangers of Burning Man you will receive far more radiation from the sun than from any other source.
There are radiation detectors in all 50 states, all Canadian provinces, Aleutian islands, arctic, and at sea on many buoys.

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