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Post by sacramentogames » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:49 am

Rabbi Dali Rick wrote:Thanks for the insight SG, oh, and welcome to the board...


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Thanks Rabbi DR,

Now that I shed some light on this subject, what are your thoughts? How do you feel about this new case law? Where should the violation of rights be drawn?

I welcome all comments from everyone on this subject. Somewhere down the line we are going to have some serious violation of rights that is going to contradict this law and I think the rights of the constitution are going to heavily challenged.

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Post by Trishntek » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:05 pm

jkisha wrote:
Trishntek wrote:jkisha wrote:
There you go again! Spoiling a perfectly good post, one that I could have agreed with whole-heartedly, by adding that glitteringly false generality!
Well at least you admit it glitters :P

I do not understand how you can say it is a false generality when you have no idea what my life experience is.

Keep in mind that the article does refer to "someone who has been ARRESTED".
You are right, I don't know what your life experiences have been. I'm basing my criticism on my life experience which obviously is different than yours. I haven't experienced my rights being taken away. And, I haven't been arrested lately either. But I do agree with the whole first part of your post.

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In my profession, I'm required to maintain a national registration and state licensure with continuing education requirements for renewal. For most of my experience that was all that is required to be qualified to perform my duties.

In the last 2-3 years, most of the facilities I visit require much more. Not only am I required to provide my credentials, but also a criminal background check; a urine sample; a blood sample; names, addresses and phone numbers of next of kin and MANDATORY flu vaccinations.

I do not blame the facilities, but rather a FEDERAL REQUIREMENT placed upon facilities to know everything they possibly can about everyone doing business within their walls.
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Post by sacramentogames » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:35 pm

131 years ago a man said " I will create a light bulb." Everyone thought he was mad.

110 Years ago two brothers played with paper airplanes and said "One day we will fly like a bird". Everyone thought they were nuts.

100 years ago someone said "Man will walk on the moon". Everyone thought he was crazy.

Now I stand before you and say "One day in our near future, all inmates released on parole or probation or anyone that has committed a crime will be micro-chipped like a dog. As part of consensual encounter, an officer will be allowed to scan your tag (under your skin somewhere) without touching you and the officer will have immediate access t your info. So I stand before my fellow burners and ask, "Am I mad? Am I nuts? Or am I crazy?

Is this theory plausible?

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Post by Trishntek » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:46 pm

EXTREMELY PLAUSIBLE!
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:39 am

Y'all may have to worry about more than just your phone;
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=12531
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Post by sacramentogames » Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:32 am

can't sit still wrote:Y'all may have to worry about more than just your phone;
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=12531
They will never be able to justify the amount of force they had to use to detain that suspect. I am sure they are all on paid leave pending an investigation. That kid will be wealthy at the end of the day. It's a shame those officers tarnish the perception of law enforcement.

Before we pass any judgment on the suspect or the officers, it would be nice to see all the facts of the case.

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Post by mdmf007 » Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:54 pm

sacramentogames wrote:131 years ago a man said " I will create a light bulb." Everyone thought he was mad.

110 Years ago two brothers played with paper airplanes and said "One day we will fly like a bird". Everyone thought they were nuts.

100 years ago someone said "Man will walk on the moon". Everyone thought he was crazy.

Now I stand before you and say "One day in our near future, all inmates released on parole or probation or anyone that has committed a crime will be micro-chipped like a dog. As part of consensual encounter, an officer will be allowed to scan your tag (under your skin somewhere) without touching you and the officer will have immediate access t your info. So I stand before my fellow burners and ask, "Am I mad? Am I nuts? Or am I crazy?

Is this theory plausible?
Nope - one liberty at a time thats how it is done, and all in the name of security... Real time GPS tracking on many people that are out in public, nothing stopping form a smaller more powerful RFID...

Cars are already routinely scanned for ownership automatically with cameras and OCR software reading license plates. Car owner with a known Warrant through a tollgate in WA, or as a cop car passes, alarms sound and here they come....

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Post by sacramentogames » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:12 pm

mdmf007-Cars are already routinely scanned for ownership automatically with cameras and OCR software reading license plates. Car owner with a known Warrant through a tollgate in WA, or as a cop car passes, alarms sound and here they come....[/quote]

I can't wait for every law enforcement officer to have this technology in every vehicle. This is a powerful tool to keep our streets safe for all of us law biding citizens to enjoy. This isn't a tool to take the liberties away from good citizens, it's a tool to take the criminal off the streets.

BRAVO for technology!

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Post by LLQchasm » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:53 pm

sacramentogames wrote:
mdmf007-Cars are already routinely scanned for ownership automatically with cameras and OCR software reading license plates. Car owner with a known Warrant through a tollgate in WA, or as a cop car passes, alarms sound and here they come....
I can't wait for every law enforcement officer to have this technology in every vehicle. This is a powerful tool to keep our streets safe for all of us law biding citizens to enjoy. This isn't a tool to take the liberties away from good citizens, it's a tool to take the criminal off the streets.

BRAVO for technology!
Once upon a time under Moses we were under the law... then Christ came and we were made free from the law because we are now under grace. Now the whole world is losing grace and is back under the long arm of the law and big brother thanks to technology (the mark of the beast; scan ye foreheads and wrists)... Heil the Antichrist!

The lack of a balance of power is what creates injustice. It is why branches of govt have opposing powers because too much power in one place corrupts. Give police the power of life and death without any possible recrimination and you invite human weakness that resides in all of us to take hideous forms of brutality behind a badge.

Instead of being so afraid of criminals that you are willing to give up your freedoms for the sake of safety, it is better to strengthen yourselves against possible assault. Ben Franklin once said that anyone willing to trade their personal liberty for the illusion of safety deserves neither. At the end of this process that is exactly what happens as shown throughout history; you shall have neither safety nor freedom if you allow someone to provide it for you. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

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Post by sacramentogames » Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:21 pm

LLQchasm wrote:
sacramentogames wrote:
mdmf007-Cars are already routinely scanned for ownership automatically with cameras and OCR software reading license plates. Car owner with a known Warrant through a tollgate in WA, or as a cop car passes, alarms sound and here they come....
I can't wait for every law enforcement officer to have this technology in every vehicle. This is a powerful tool to keep our streets safe for all of us law biding citizens to enjoy. This isn't a tool to take the liberties away from good citizens, it's a tool to take the criminal off the streets.

BRAVO for technology!
Once upon a time under Moses we were under the law... then Christ came and we were made free from the law because we are now under grace. Now the whole world is losing grace and is back under the long arm of the law and big brother thanks to technology (the mark of the beast; scan ye foreheads and wrists)... Heil the Antichrist!

The lack of a balance of power is what creates injustice. It is why branches of govt have opposing powers because too much power in one place corrupts. Give police the power of life and death without any possible recrimination and you invite human weakness that resides in all of us to take hideous forms of brutality behind a badge.

Instead of being so afraid of criminals that you are willing to give up your freedoms for the sake of safety, it is better to strengthen yourselves against possible assault. Ben Franklin once said that anyone willing to trade their personal liberty for the illusion of safety deserves neither. At the end of this process that is exactly what happens as shown throughout history; you shall have neither safety nor freedom if you allow someone to provide it for you. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
Your argument was very well said. Bravo. I agree with 99% of your statement.

Personally, I would rather give up some liberties for safety and cooperate fully with law enforcement than to open my family up to possible terrorism.

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Post by LLQchasm » Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:49 pm

sacramentogames wrote:
LLQchasm wrote:
sacramentogames wrote: I can't wait for every law enforcement officer to have this technology in every vehicle. This is a powerful tool to keep our streets safe for all of us law biding citizens to enjoy. This isn't a tool to take the liberties away from good citizens, it's a tool to take the criminal off the streets.

BRAVO for technology!
Once upon a time under Moses we were under the law... then Christ came and we were made free from the law because we are now under grace. Now the whole world is losing grace and is back under the long arm of the law and big brother thanks to technology (the mark of the beast; scan ye foreheads and wrists)... Heil the Antichrist!

The lack of a balance of power is what creates injustice. It is why branches of govt have opposing powers because too much power in one place corrupts. Give police the power of life and death without any possible recrimination and you invite human weakness that resides in all of us to take hideous forms of brutality behind a badge.

Instead of being so afraid of criminals that you are willing to give up your freedoms for the sake of safety, it is better to strengthen yourselves against possible assault. Ben Franklin once said that anyone willing to trade their personal liberty for the illusion of safety deserves neither. At the end of this process that is exactly what happens as shown throughout history; you shall have neither safety nor freedom if you allow someone to provide it for you. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
Your argument was very well said. Bravo. I agree with 99% of your statement.

Personally, I would rather give up some liberties for safety and cooperate fully with law enforcement than to open my family up to possible terrorism.
You're much more likely to die in an auto accident or a plane crash by malfunction than by an act of terror. If one believes that terrorists will stop at nothing to do harm, what's to stop them from dressing up as cops and acting under the color of the law? But all of this is really a red herring.

The real reason why we've been obsessed with terrorism the past decade or so is because it suits certain individuals in power who see that personal gains can be made by usurping fears that dramatic images of 911 created. It made Haliburton and other corporate military organizations very rich. Those with stock in the right companies and holding positions of power in media fanned the flames of fear for profit. Far more lives are lost in ordinary ways, so the excuse that "we fight terror to save lives" is side stepping the real reasons for it, to deflect criticism by the callous "you don't care" argument. It is blown out of proportion to reality. If saving American lives was really the issue, then stop sending all those troops over to die on foreign soil. Bush's stupid statement "we fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" is BS. They can still make it to the USA any time they want.

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Post by sacramentogames » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:15 pm

LLQchasm wrote:
sacramentogames wrote:
LLQchasm wrote: Once upon a time under Moses we were under the law... then Christ came and we were made free from the law because we are now under grace. Now the whole world is losing grace and is back under the long arm of the law and big brother thanks to technology (the mark of the beast; scan ye foreheads and wrists)... Heil the Antichrist!

The lack of a balance of power is what creates injustice. It is why branches of govt have opposing powers because too much power in one place corrupts. Give police the power of life and death without any possible recrimination and you invite human weakness that resides in all of us to take hideous forms of brutality behind a badge.

Instead of being so afraid of criminals that you are willing to give up your freedoms for the sake of safety, it is better to strengthen yourselves against possible assault. Ben Franklin once said that anyone willing to trade their personal liberty for the illusion of safety deserves neither. At the end of this process that is exactly what happens as shown throughout history; you shall have neither safety nor freedom if you allow someone to provide it for you. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
Your argument was very well said. Bravo. I agree with 99% of your statement.

Personally, I would rather give up some liberties for safety and cooperate fully with law enforcement than to open my family up to possible terrorism.
You're much more likely to die in an auto accident or a plane crash by malfunction than by an act of terror. If one believes that terrorists will stop at nothing to do harm, what's to stop them from dressing up as cops and acting under the color of the law? But all of this is really a red herring.

The real reason why we've been obsessed with terrorism the past decade or so is because it suits certain individuals in power who see that personal gains can be made by usurping fears that dramatic images of 911 created. It made Haliburton and other corporate military organizations very rich. Those with stock in the right companies and holding positions of power in media fanned the flames of fear for profit. Far more lives are lost in ordinary ways, so the excuse that "we fight terror to save lives" is side stepping the real reasons for it, to deflect criticism by the callous "you don't care" argument. It is blown out of proportion to reality. If saving American lives was really the issue, then stop sending all those troops over to die on foreign soil. Bush's stupid statement "we fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" is BS. They can still make it to the USA any time they want.
Once again, I like and agree with your statement. Very well thought out. You are most certainly right about terrorism. If a terrorist wants to cause serious casualties, it isn't very hard to do. I think the Oklahoma bombing proved that with some fertilizer and diesel fuel, you can cause mass destruction an a small budget.

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Post by can't sit still » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:30 pm

sacramentogames,The Oklahoma bombing was also a red herring. You can still find the news footage where they show the bombs found INSIDE the Murray building. Numerous experts have testified that McVeigh's bomb couldn't have caused the extensive damage.
There are tons of inconsistencies. It was more "internal" terrorism carried out by BATF or who the hell knows who.
Even now, there is new info coming out about OK;
http://wwwtmrcom.blogspot.com/2011/02/d ... urrah.html
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Post by sacramentogames » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:08 pm

can't sit still wrote:sacramentogames,The Oklahoma bombing was also a red herring. You can still find the news footage where they show the bombs found INSIDE the Murray building. Numerous experts have testified that McVeigh's bomb couldn't have caused the extensive damage.
There are tons of inconsistencies. It was more "internal" terrorism carried out by BATF or who the hell knows who.
Even now, there is new info coming out about OK;
http://wwwtmrcom.blogspot.com/2011/02/d ... urrah.html
You think this was planned by the BATF? *chuckle* I welcome the thought of their being a third person, however I do not think there was any explosives in the building. The article you posted has no merit or info on this "inside" job. I read his entire blog and he seems to be an opinionated freelance writer who likes to smear anyone or anything political.

I seriously doubt we can call the BATF the red herring of that case.

How did we get so far of topic?

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Post by can't sit still » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:46 pm

You don't think
Got it 8)
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Post by sacramentogames » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:08 pm

can't sit still wrote:You don't think
Got it 8)
Can you send me more info on this? You have my interest now

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Post by Trishntek » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:00 pm

Personally, I would rather give up some liberties for safety and cooperate fully with law enforcement than to open my family up to possible terrorism.
Really? I mean,,,,,, REALLY??

Giving up liberty for the sake of "possible" terrorism,,,,, and we wonder why everyone thinks it is okay to use your SS number for identification, do body scans at the airport, check your phone and now scan what, where, when and how fast you drove your car.

I'll keep my 13 year-old car and pay cash whenever possible to keep my liberties. I respect LEO for the bullshit they have to tolerate. But when the laws of society make a person "CHOOSE" whether to lose liberty or obey the law,,,, I choose liberty!
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Trishntek wrote:
Personally, I would rather give up some liberties for safety and cooperate fully with law enforcement than to open my family up to possible terrorism.
Really? I mean,,,,,, REALLY??

Giving up liberty for the sake of "possible" terrorism,,,,, and we wonder why everyone thinks it is okay to use your SS number for identification, do body scans at the airport, check your phone and now scan what, where, when and how fast you drove your car.

I'll keep my 13 year-old car and pay cash whenever possible to keep my liberties. I respect LEO for the bullshit they have to tolerate. But when the laws of society make a person "CHOOSE" whether to lose liberty or obey the law,,,, I choose liberty!
I'm with you Tnt.

and, the FT's that want everything safe, secure, warm and fuzzy, will trade OUR liberties, to achieve this.

Franklin had it right, way back then.
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Post by can't sit still » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:04 am

Why am I the only person with a google toolbar ?
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Post by Cheyenne » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:20 am

The real reason why we've been obsessed with terrorism the past decade or so is because it suits certain individuals in power who see that personal gains can be made by usurping fears that dramatic images of 911 created. It made Haliburton and other corporate military organizations very rich. Those with stock in the right companies and holding positions of power in media fanned the flames of fear for profit. Far more lives are lost in ordinary ways, so the excuse that "we fight terror to save lives" is side stepping the real reasons for it, to deflect criticism by the callous "you don't care" argument. It is blown out of proportion to reality. If saving American lives was really the issue, then stop sending all those troops over to die on foreign soil. Bush's stupid statement "we fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" is BS. They can still make it to the USA any time they want.
Absolutely on the mark.

Although its a little out of date now, have you seen 'Hijacking Catastrophe' produced by the Media Education Foundation? Its excellent.

Also a British multi-part documentary by Adam Curtis:

Power of nightmares: Rise of the Politics of Fear that was aired on BBC2

Adam Curtis is particularly pertinent in putting some of the extremely complex ideas surrounding the politics of fear.

The Trap: What happened to our dreams of Freedom is also very good. It looks at the rise of Cold War Game theory and how it permeates every aspect of the modern, target driven life. Including the engineering of responses to particularised social mobility

Best thing to come out of the BBC for years!
Personally, I would rather give up some liberties for safety and cooperate fully with law enforcement than to open my family up to possible terrorism.
What a load of utter rubbish!

May I refer you back to one of your great Patriotic figures in the guise of Benjamin Franklin; who, in 1759 in the Historical Review of Pennsylvania said:

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

it is precisely this approach which leads to people to accept the following BS that we have had to put up with in the UK for a number of years now:

Erosion of civil liberties was gradual and arbitrary under the Blair government. Authoritarian centre left (well, not even left as Blair cited Isian Berlin and the Nash Equillibrium as some of his biggest influences).

We were subjected to random stop and search through SOCPA and the Anti-Terrorism bill, grannies were harrassed because they photographed themselves on a bus trip near Menwith Hill, I was nearly arrested at a totally peaceful demo because I was obscuring my face (forward intelligencing teams photograph people and get right in their faces with cameras for no reason other than mass surveillance and information gathering) - we have an abhorent peice of legislation called section 38 here in the UK. It means that if a police officer thinks a crime IS ABOUT to be committed, he can essentially arrest an individual beforehand as a preventative measure. That came out of the Anti-Terror bill. And you know what percentage of people are actually charged with a crime under the Anti Terror bill in ratio to those arrested?? 1.8% ... fucking stupid

Not everything is as black and white as you would like to think - police here think the laws are deliberately vague so they are open to interpretation...
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Post by Parasitoid » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:08 am

hmmmm

If I were to believe my thoughts after reading through this thread it would seem that only the biggest and baddest criminals avoid being robbed.

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Post by FIGJAM » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:42 am

I was watching one of those doc's and a lady in a UK fruit stand said "I would gladly give up some of my rights for my freedom".

That shit is doublespeak right out of "1984"!
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Post by sacramentogames » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:46 am

Chey, the laws here in the US are much different. Law enforcement cannot just search you. The only time you give up your liberties is under two circumstances; first one is if you are being arrested for a crime. The second is in major airports. If you don't want to give up liberties then don't fly and don't get arrested. This is the only time you give up your rights

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Post by Cheyenne » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:36 pm

I was watching one of those doc's and a lady in a UK fruit stand said "I would gladly give up some of my rights for my freedom".

That shit is doublespeak right out of "1984"!
Exactly, we have our fair share of utter numbskulls here, all people like that are bothered about are their new 'buy now pay later' sofas, and X-Factor on a saturday night - or voting out the next 'dancing on ice' contender...

I like the way people like Adam Curtis and Mark Thomas make people who talk like this out to be the pea-brained waste of oxygen they really are.


Chey, the laws here in the US are much different. Law enforcement cannot just search you. The only time you give up your liberties is under two circumstances; first one is if you are being arrested for a crime.
thats the problem though, isn't it - a copper can simply arrest you anyway if they think you are being evasive. Colour of the law or not, they more often get away with fabrication if they think they have made a mistake.

We have an equivalent of probable cause here, probably more so, but an area can be designated under emergency legislation as a 'no protest' zone. Con-dems were supposed to repeal it under the 'Repeal Bill' but I haven't seen anything other than lip service on this front....

I don't usually put links to this Tory Rag - but it gives a general idea about how '1984' we really have become:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/phili ... liberties/

I used to be a Labour supporter - but I was utterly disgusted by their riding roughshod over freedoms enshrined in law since the 13th century!
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Post by sacramentogames » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:02 pm

can't sit still wrote:Why am I the only person with a google toolbar ?
I did google it. Other than a pissed off brother who lost a sibling and a freelance writer looking desperately looking for a story, there are no FACTS that support your argument. Instead of throwing me hearsay, feed me some facts to read.

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Post by can't sit still » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:33 pm

You ARE hopeless. You get nothing else from me.
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Post by sacramentogames » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:35 pm

can't sit still wrote:You ARE hopeless. You get nothing else from me.
Hopeless? BAHAHAHAHAHA. You're killing me over here.

I looked online for facts to support your argument. Like I said before, I get there MAY have been a third person. You have failed to support your argument about this being an inside job including your multiple bombs theory. Please show me these experts who have testified before the courts that this is an insider?

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Post by Trishntek » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:32 pm

sacramentogames wrote:Chey, the laws here in the US are much different. Law enforcement cannot just search you. The only time you give up your liberties is under two circumstances; first one is if you are being arrested for a crime. The second is in major airports. If you don't want to give up liberties then don't fly and don't get arrested. This is the only time you give up your rights
They can search you for being SUSPECTED of committing a crime. No arrest necessary.

Major airports? What minor airports offering commercial air service do not search you?

There are rights of privacy I am mandated to give up in order to be employed. There are private property rights being run over on a regular basis all over the country. Rights of due process began this thread! Where in the U.S. Constitution is it written the gubmint has authority over what I do, eat, drink or smoke as long as it does not harm another individual?

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Post by Cheyenne » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:10 am

I think sac games is a little blinkered as to the reality of the erosion of civil liberties from right under his nose. For example, stop and search at Burning man has been well documented as being carried out under duress and intimidation which has let to an involuntary consent.

If you think that all is hunky dory in the land of the lovely peace officer and they are all following the letter of the law - contact Lawyers for Burners and ask for their reports on the number of tickets issued for specific offences against the number of convictions brought as a result of taking those tickets to court. Pretty much most of them are thrown out because the shoddy recording and statementing of particular offences by LEO's attending the event, many of them did show inconsistencies and fabrications by arresting or ticketing officers.

http://sites.google.com/site/lawyersforburners/

Considered that Nevada has one of the highest rates of statewide poverty in the US, and that it also does not impose income tax on individuals, nor does it take corporate income tax.. it has to squeeze other departments for ANY publicly funded services (such as emergency services, rubbish collection, schools etc) In light of this, I thought it was common knowledge that Burning Man season was quite a good earner for Nevada in fines issued by the various authorities?

It is possible that the authorities are confident that individuals will not wish to fight a ticket in court (where the possibilities of a higher cost are more evident) and many do not. It is not just in Nevada, but in many states in USA and provinces in Canada, in addition to over here. People are intimidated into thinking they cannot fight a particular anomaly as the police and other LE agencies are too big and too strong.

Lawyers for burners urge ALL those who have been issued a ticket or arrested to come forward and talk to them.. they are qualified lawyers/barristers and are also burners, they know what to expect and how to deal with it.

Therefore, if this is the situation related to harrassment on such a remote bit of land in the middle of nowhere, imagine to what lengths they may go to in carrying out unlawful or coercive searches elsewhere???
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Post by sacramentogames » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:23 pm

Cheyenne wrote:I think sac games is a little blinkered as to the reality of the erosion of civil liberties from right under his nose. For example, stop and search at Burning man has been well documented as being carried out under duress and intimidation which has let to an involuntary consent.

If you think that all is hunky dory in the land of the lovely peace officer and they are all following the letter of the law - contact Lawyers for Burners and ask for their reports on the number of tickets issued for specific offences against the number of convictions brought as a result of taking those tickets to court. Pretty much most of them are thrown out because the shoddy recording and statementing of particular offences by LEO's attending the event, many of them did show inconsistencies and fabrications by arresting or ticketing officers.

http://sites.google.com/site/lawyersforburners/

Considered that Nevada has one of the highest rates of statewide poverty in the US, and that it also does not impose income tax on individuals, nor does it take corporate income tax.. it has to squeeze other departments for ANY publicly funded services (such as emergency services, rubbish collection, schools etc) In light of this, I thought it was common knowledge that Burning Man season was quite a good earner for Nevada in fines issued by the various authorities?

It is possible that the authorities are confident that individuals will not wish to fight a ticket in court (where the possibilities of a higher cost are more evident) and many do not. It is not just in Nevada, but in many states in USA and provinces in Canada, in addition to over here. People are intimidated into thinking they cannot fight a particular anomaly as the police and other LE agencies are too big and too strong.

Lawyers for burners urge ALL those who have been issued a ticket or arrested to come forward and talk to them.. they are qualified lawyers/barristers and are also burners, they know what to expect and how to deal with it.

Therefore, if this is the situation related to harrassment on such a remote bit of land in the middle of nowhere, imagine to what lengths they may go to in carrying out unlawful or coercive searches elsewhere???
Just because you brush your teeth does not make you a dentists. I give up on explaining. Go read your search and seizure laws and you may learn something.

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