Virgin Burner concerned BM is getting too big

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:12 am

jkisha wrote:
AntiM wrote:I will never understand you, SOP. Not until I meet you. But since I don't frequent the big sound camps, it is rather unlikely.

Thread drift. He's going to think we're all nuts.
I actually hunted him down year before last...happy to have made his acquaintance. He's just as unique in person, except he's likeable.

JK

SHUT THE FUCK UP KISHA!

i have worked long and hard to achieve level 5 cat-herder/asshole status, and i will not have you undermining my Imaginary Blue Meany by any means.

*grumble*

now leave me alone, "the View" is on and i'm soaking my feet.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:43 pm

It has been too big since 1996.
Still worth the trip.
Spend your time with small groups.
That's what usually happens anyway.

The experience is about infinite choice and what that experience does to you.
You decide what it is to you, each time.

The economy is technically universal reciprocity.
It isn't actually rare in hardship societies.
A survival mechanism.
You may relate.

I suggest you attend Juplaya first.

shroom · Post by **shroom** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:21 pm

Last year was my first year and I'm glad I went. I sadly won't get to go this year, but am making plans for 2012.

It won't sell out, last year they added new streets as the people kept on coming.

LLQchasm · Post by **LLQchasm** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:25 pm

Well I'm looking forward to it!

My observations about the size of locations / population density and their effects is a generalization based upon having "lived" in 47 of the 50 states these last 4 years, which is I'm glad to say, doesn't always hold (moving like this was the best way to survive the tax onslaught because business travel is a deduction, but rent is not). New York State has come across as a police state with police checkpoints near many highway on-ramps during certain times of the month, so I refuse to do business with NY anymore, but some places have surprised me, most notably San Francisco, which despite the huge population, seems to have resisted the fascist trend happening in the USA quite well. Not sure what it is about the place... maybe the reason why Burning Man is so unique as I've heard personally from those who have attended. I've had a great time at OCF, met Vivian McPeak and some of the organizers who are volunteers there and, from what I understand some of the same crew manage this event.

teardropper · Post by **teardropper** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:17 pm

gyre wrote: I suggest you attend Juplaya first.

Is that just to introduce to the playa?

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:28 pm

Sounds like it's possible for him, which isn't for many, and may be closer to what he would like.
I'd go if I could.

LLQchasm · Post by **LLQchasm** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:56 pm

I spent about 6 weeks midway between Desert Center, CA and Vidal, CA, several miles off road adjacent to route 62 in winter 2007/2008. I didn't see a soul the whole time I was there. I once made the mistake of reading by my truck lights instead of my lamp and my truck battery went dead so I had 2 choices, either push it down the ledge I was camped on (up high because of flash floods that come through the area) to start by shifting into first gear or use my solar panel to charge up the battery. I opted for the latter. It would have been a long walk to Desert Center/I-10 because no tow truck could have gotten to me. I regularly made weekly trips to get water down at Blythe Municipal park at Lovelock, so I was fine as far as water. No need to panic. My relatives think I'm nuts, but the system pissed me off so much that I would have rather died in the desert than put up with the BS of my old workplace. When I got to that realization, I just quit and took off. Sort of saw it coming for years anyway so I wasn't totally unprepared, but I do have some sense of knowing what it is like to jump into oblivion.

Anyway I do Juplaya as a way of life from seeing what it is there, no reason to go there because it's here with me right now.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:59 pm

Veteran EPlayan Concerned this Thread is Getting Too Big

LLQchasm · Post by **LLQchasm** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:06 pm

BTW, I hear that BM doesn't allow guns, so I thought I'd ask if there was a way to check your guns in at the gate? If not, I'll just get a temp storage place in Reno...

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:13 pm

There isn't. They don't want the liability. Or the cluster-fuck. (Logistics on the playa are always much more complicated than you'd think.) And who can blame them?

Edited to add another letter. I hope this isn't becoming a fucking habit.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:19 pm

There is no formal check procedure.

There may be ranges or shops which will store guns for a short time.
Locals might know better.

I am told by a manufacturer that an adequately dismantled gun (inoperational) becomes gun parts, especially when the parts are physically separated.
I haven't confirmed this, but it seems reasonable.

LLQchasm · Post by **LLQchasm** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:21 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Edited to add another letter. I hope this isn't becoming a fucking habit.

What potential habit would you be referring to?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:24 pm

LLQchasm wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Edited to add another letter. I hope this isn't becoming a fucking habit.
What potential habit would you be referring to?

Forgetting a crucial letter denoting tense or number and going back and editing it. The other post was earlier today, and I don't know where. There is a culture on the board of people explaining what they edited and maybe why because at one point there was a lot of wholesale editing of posts so that conversations didn't make sense.

LLQchasm · Post by **LLQchasm** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:26 pm

gyre wrote:I am told by a manufacturer that an adequately dismantled gun (inoperational) becomes gun parts, especially when the parts are physically separated.
I haven't confirmed this, but it seems reasonable.

Well, I keep ammo too, so I'll just check it in somewhere. There's no law where I camp so I have to be prepared for anything.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:44 pm

They use this for shipping.
Ammo doesn't enter into it.

I am referring to, at the most basic, removing a firing pin, or dismantling the slide and barrel from the frame.

An odd fact is that rifles are normally allowed on blm land and my carry permit is now recognized on blm land in most states, including nevada.
The actual legality of the temporary ban is vague, but is a burning man llc rule, and allows ejection.

There are very confusing rules in many states and I hope you stay aware of those.
Here they recently included long guns in the carry permit, because a weird technicality made it impossible to legally transport any gun in a pickup.
This sort of issue had just been ignored for a long time.

A carry permit can solve many of these problems with reciprocity.
It tends to be recognized even in the case of a technical violation.
Some get permits that don't carry because it is recognized as an "honest citizen" card by many law enforcement, being aware how difficult it is to qualify and maintain the permit.

LLQchasm · Post by **LLQchasm** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:11 pm

gyre wrote:There are very confusing rules in many states and I hope you stay aware of those.

Yea... I'm aware of some of these, but the reality is that chances are you're breaking some law somewhere, even if you're a lawyer, some laws are written in contradiction to each other, so getting out of an offense requires knowing the loopholes. The authorities just want to make it hard for people to do what I do, so I just try to keep a low profile. They don't want everybody starting up their own space program, so they tax high to try to keep the more affluent down (which doesn't work due to tax loopholes such as filing multiple LLC's to avoid breaking the tax ceiling). I was riding high for a while until the economic meltdown, had vultures try to steal my intellectual property, then a lawsuit threat from a company who tried to hire me and buy me out after I refused their offer. Things are better now and I could get a place, but my dealings with govt officials in my business relations these last few years have taught me that it would be foolish to trust in the kind of thinking that led to the original ideas behind the American dream, so I reject renting/home ownership on principle.

I just keep my shotgun in my truck and my 357 mag at a friends when I'm not using it at a range for the most part. There's no guarantees in life and it's a long story how I got where I decided to live the way I do.

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:05 pm

I have no doubt you can find a reliable gun shop in Reno to store your guns. Or hide them so well in your truck they can't be easily found/accessed. The gate is supposed to turn you away if they find your firearms during their brief search for stowaways, dogs and live plants. I don't want to get into the philosophical and legal technicalities of how that might actually work. There's a thread for that down in Open Discussion.

Doesn't everyone have false floorboards?

LLQchasm · Post by **LLQchasm** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:17 pm

AntiM wrote:I have no doubt you can find a reliable gun shop in Reno to store your guns. Or hide them so well in your truck they can't be easily found/accessed. The gate is supposed to turn you away if they find your firearms during their brief search for stowaways, dogs and live plants. I don't want to get into the philosophical and legal technicalities of how that might actually work. There's a thread for that down in Open Discussion.

Doesn't everyone have false floorboards?

I only have my shotgun with me at the moment. I'd rather not bring them anyway and I have friends around, but a bit out of the way if I don't plan where I am when I make the trek to the burn. If I got past the gate with one, there'd be this thing in the back of my mind that would screw with the metaphysics of the experience. I don't care that much for guns, but I think it's foolish not to have one in the situation I'm in and it also forms a deterrent against govt from turning against its citizens, so I generally have at least one nearby at all times.

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:26 pm

I do like shotguns, I can kill the hell outta milk jugs. I'm short though, so a variable stock is on my wishlist. Hubby was originally a hillbilly, so shotguns are family heirlooms.

teardropper · Post by **teardropper** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:34 pm

AntiM wrote: Doesn't everyone have false floorboards?

Thanks, AntiM... now I gotta' find a new stash. Jeez...

moonrise · Post by **moonrise** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:17 am

Sounds like you need a mini-mini storage unit, for: guns, lap top, worries, etc etc etc...

Maybe some people around too, you don't want to crack up like my "still much loved" ex brother in law did...although, the explosions were a blast! Not the same as people and good company, LOTS of good company.

Can you bring some gun powder? Black Powder Club Time! Do you have any______ or_______maybe some________and some______________?

Edit to add quotes

dragonpilot · Post by **dragonpilot** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:57 pm

LLQchasm wrote:
but some places have surprised me, most notably San Francisco, which despite the huge population, seems to have resisted the fascist trend happening in the USA quite well. Not sure what it is about the place... maybe the reason why Burning Man is so unique as I've heard personally from those who have attended.

Don't confuse Burning Man with San Francisco...if Burning Man was run the way SFO is, there wouldn't be a Burning Man today...just sayin'...

bluesbob · Post by **bluesbob** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:19 am

Since Burning Man isn't an exercise in isolation, but an experiment in alternative community, it will get as large as the experiment can handle.

And, yes, there are a minority of asshats that show up.

ibdave · Post by **ibdave** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:21 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:
not this year, i have a vacation from the ooontz.....I'll be at the Bar de Boobies, and will hunt you down if i have to.

manOman, the bOObie Bar going to be fun this year...

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:32 am

i'm bringing a 5-gallon tub of fun with me...

mint flavored.

Post by **Eric** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:08 pm

dragonpilot wrote:Don't confuse Burning Man with San Francisco...if Burning Man was run the way SFO is, there wouldn't be a Burning Man today...just sayin'...

Point of clarification, because I'm cranky about having to work inside when it's sunny & in the 60's outside. Damn freelance work.

SFO is an airport, not a city. You wouldn't refer to New York City as JFK or LGA would you?

SF is the city.

Basing ideas on how well a city is run on national news sources that only mention us when a local politician does something "kooky" not the best way to decide how well the city is actually run. Many of those "kooky" ideas are discovered to be good in the long term and spread (like the freeway revolt of the 50's, the urban environmentalists who have reclaimed areas for parks instead of development, and, more recently pro-marijuana laws) .

I don't know a lot of people who live here who would want to move, even with the shitty regional economy right now, and I don't know of many problems we have that we're not sharing with the rest of the cities in the country.

teardropper · Post by **teardropper** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:23 pm

dragonpilot wrote: (quoting Eric) SF is the city

Hell, Eric, The City is the city.

Just sayin'...

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:29 pm

Well said, Eric.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:38 pm

For Your FYI in the bay area, every significant city in any particular area is known as The City, all over the world.
It's not original or unique.

teardropper · Post by **teardropper** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:02 pm

gyre wrote:For Your FYI in the bay area, every significant city in any particular area is known as The City, all over the world.
It's not original or unique.

Yeah, I know. But I went to "The City" as an impressionable young man. It sticks with. San Francisco, and don't get it started about the use of "Frisco", is, and forever will be, The City.