Considering the first event was a group of drunk people that decided to go to the beach and for lack of anything better to do decided to burn an efigy of a man, It is rather presumptious of anyone to extrapolate from this that the event has any special intent.JStep wrote: I'm simply pointing out the ways that it doesn't make sense in the context of the event, degrades the intent of the event, and is a crass and commercialized exercise.
Yep. That about sums it up.jkisha wrote:Considering the first event was a group of drunk people that decided to go to the beach and for lack of anything better to do decided to burn an efigy of a man, It is rather presumptious of anyone to extrapolate from this that the event has any special intent.JStep wrote: I'm simply pointing out the ways that it doesn't make sense in the context of the event, degrades the intent of the event, and is a crass and commercialized exercise.
JK
I've taken birgins around almost every year. I actually seek them out to spend time with- their energy keeps me fresh.curiousgnate wrote:do you really want to on wednesday have to take a group of virgins around to various cool places when all you really want to do is some hot guy that you ran across, and has three really hot guys that want to participate with you?
Forgot to respond to this:curiousgnate wrote:just because something is being done does NOT mean that it is ok!
ALL of the above are things i want to do at BRC quess it may take a few yearsEric wrote:Simon is dead on- I encourage virgins to come on eplaya & participate, learn & get assistance; but when anybody, especially a virgin, starts deciding whether or not someone else "gets it" I, for one, start ignoring you. You don't have any reality to base that opinion on, and honestly there is no single "it" to get.
Simons "it" includes techno and dancing, mine doesn't.
BBSue's "it" includes running a bar, mine doesn't.
Jellyfish's "it" includes amazing pieces of playa art, mine doesn't.
One of my best friends "it" involves hours at the spiritual camps, which I loath.
Another friend is out to see how often they can get laid while partying & looking fabulous. That's their "it"
My "it" includes writing for and editing a paper about the playa, which probably isn't something a lot of others share.
Some people do it sober, some do it drunk. Some sleep all day, others only go out during the day.
The day we are all required to experience the event in the same way is the day it dies.
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graidawg wrote:Eric wrote:Simon is dead on- I encourage virgins to come on eplaya & participate, learn & get assistance; but when anybody, especially a virgin, starts deciding whether or not someone else "gets it" I, for one, start ignoring you. You don't have any reality to base that opinion on, and honestly there is no single "it" to get.
Simons "it" includes techno and dancing, mine doesn't.
BBSue's "it" includes running a bar, mine doesn't.
Jellyfish's "it" includes amazing pieces of playa art, mine doesn't.
One of my best friends "it" involves hours at the spiritual camps, which I loath.
Another friend is out to see how often they can get laid while partying & looking fabulous. That's their "it"
My "it" includes writing for and editing a paper about the playa, which probably isn't something a lot of others share.
Some people do it sober, some do it drunk. Some sleep all day, others only go out during the day.
The day we are all required to experience the event in the same way is the day it dies.
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+1
ALL of the above are things i want to do at BRC quess it may take a few years
Eric says -
"That is the simple fact I've been trying to get across. If you can't understand that by now, you never will."
Wild and enthusiastic applause for Eric
curiousgnate wrote:chrisweitz- thank you.
how do you know they were drunk? hahahahaaaaaa....
Kevin sucks ass and I hope his venture fails! I think it will! Kevin go a few more times to the burn, and maybe you will think otherwise and find other ways to make money!
just because something is being done does NOT mean that it is ok! want some examples eric? come on I know you love this event and I know you have your own way of experiencing it. do you really want to on wednesday have to take a group of virgins around to various cool places when all you really want to do is some hot guy that you ran across, and has three really hot guys that want to participate with you? just sayin, and no eric I am not attacking you just wondering if this is really worth the time and effort. I say uhhhh to ten virgins having a shitty time and someone not making this a yearly thing, to a few of them getting it and spreading the love.
chrisweitz wrote:Dude, PLEASE don't do this.
I feel badly for your potential clients. They are going to take a lot of shit and be unhappy. That will rebound on you. It's not their fault that they haven't a clue. But they will be very disappointed in the service you are offering them.
I feel offended that you are profiting off of this event. I don't care if you're not "getting rich". You're trying to make money off of something people do for love and an event/place which is one of the FEW FUCKING THINGS IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD by which people are not trying to make money off of other people.
Fine, others are organizing this kind of charade and only you have had the poor taste/sense to publicly advertise. They're wrong too.
My camp spends a lot of time, effort and, yes, money to give an experience to people, free of charge. What you are doing is the opposite. What you are doing is totally against the spirit of Burning Man, and will deny your clients the chance to begin to understand what the hell is going on there.
In the past, the only people we have had to escort from our premises are underage drinkers and gropers. If it were up to me, I would advise you to tell your clients to hide their origins. (Mind you, I suspect the rest of my camp would try to win them over with love and cocktails and a gentle bit of education about why they chose the most FUCKED UP possible way to come to the Burn. So what can I do).
And while we're at it, PLEASE don't bring 1000's of "gifts" to give away. They are just going to litter the Playa, and I would rather not clean them up.
Please consider strongly revising your plans to profit on this event.
Yours,
Chris
Head Concierge
The Grand Hotel at Ashram Galactica
Still Black Rock's only free luxury accomodations
Considering you called me impersonating an employee of Burning Man, cursed me out, then hung up on me. You have no credibility. Your words here are meaningless to me. Come back when you've finished high school.curiousgnate wrote:chrisweitz- thank you.
how do you know they were drunk? hahahahaaaaaa....
Kevin sucks ass and I hope his venture fails! I think it will! Kevin go a few more times to the burn, and maybe you will think otherwise and find other ways to make money!
just because something is being done does NOT mean that it is ok! want some examples eric? come on I know you love this event and I know you have your own way of experiencing it. do you really want to on wednesday have to take a group of virgins around to various cool places when all you really want to do is some hot guy that you ran across, and has three really hot guys that want to participate with you? just sayin, and no eric I am not attacking you just wondering if this is really worth the time and effort. I say uhhhh to ten virgins having a shitty time and someone not making this a yearly thing, to a few of them getting it and spreading the love.
grape wrote:Radical Free Expression can be affected/influenced by how much money and time you can afford to expend on it.
I worked as a Sculptor/Metal Worker in my youth and I found that there wasn't a great difference between the Art/Biz Pro with a gallery funded studio and the starving art student dumpster diving for materials except money. The creativity and presentation of ideas was equal but level of sophistication in execution was like Night & Day.
Bronze versus glue & sticks.
I enjoyed working with the Gate & Perimeter crew as much as I enjoyed being involved with a large theme camp. BM is a life enhancing experience regardless of your checkbook.
I'll second that!Simon of the Playa wrote:grape wrote:Radical Free Expression can be affected/influenced by how much money and time you can afford to expend on it.
I worked as a Sculptor/Metal Worker in my youth and I found that there wasn't a great difference between the Art/Biz Pro with a gallery funded studio and the starving art student dumpster diving for materials except money. The creativity and presentation of ideas was equal but level of sophistication in execution was like Night & Day.
Bronze versus glue & sticks.
I enjoyed working with the Gate & Perimeter crew as much as I enjoyed being involved with a large theme camp. BM is a life enhancing experience regardless of your checkbook.
nice first post...
+1
And thirded.jkisha wrote:I'll second that!Simon of the Playa wrote:grape wrote:Radical Free Expression can be affected/influenced by how much money and time you can afford to expend on it.
I worked as a Sculptor/Metal Worker in my youth and I found that there wasn't a great difference between the Art/Biz Pro with a gallery funded studio and the starving art student dumpster diving for materials except money. The creativity and presentation of ideas was equal but level of sophistication in execution was like Night & Day.
Bronze versus glue & sticks.
I enjoyed working with the Gate & Perimeter crew as much as I enjoyed being involved with a large theme camp. BM is a life enhancing experience regardless of your checkbook.
nice first post...
+1
JK
Eric wrote:And thirded.jkisha wrote:I'll second that!Simon of the Playa wrote: Fourth-it
nice first post...
+1
JK
I guess if you assume that the intervening years never took place, nothing ever changed or evolved into a large event with a culture and guiding principles, then it MIGHT sum it up. Again with the completely disjointed illogical equivocating.Eric wrote:Yep. That about sums it up.jkisha wrote:Considering the first event was a group of drunk people that decided to go to the beach and for lack of anything better to do decided to burn an efigy of a man, It is rather presumptious of anyone to extrapolate from this that the event has any special intent.JStep wrote: I'm simply pointing out the ways that it doesn't make sense in the context of the event, degrades the intent of the event, and is a crass and commercialized exercise.
JK
Teo del Fuego wrote:I would be really surprised if anyone takes sacromento up on his highly priced offer. That's a helluva lot money. Who knows?
His camp, if it materializes, probably will not have any effect on my experience UNLESS they do what Ashram Galactica did last year, which was build a solid wall of RVs directly opposite our camp. It wasn't a tragedy, but Burns tend to be more fun when you have friendly and interactive neighbors. Fortunately, our neighbors to either side were cool and fun, but the RV wall made our Edinburgh location seem like a back-alley.
This isn't to rag on Ashram. They had a great bar and a very interactive camp, it's just that our camp's frontage was unfortunately positioned to the side of their camp.
I agree wholeheartedly, I don't see much in the way of people bashing people with money. To make it more analogous, you'd be comparing the guy dumpster diving for materials to a guy that just buys sculpture from another guy who just gets it for free by providing the studio. Then we can compare which is more creative in presenting ideas.grape wrote:Radical Free Expression can be affected/influenced by how much money and time you can afford to expend on it.
I worked as a Sculptor/Metal Worker in my youth and I found that there wasn't a great difference between the Art/Biz Pro with a gallery funded studio and the starving art student dumpster diving for materials except money. The creativity and presentation of ideas was equal but level of sophistication in execution was like Night & Day.
Bronze versus glue & sticks.
I enjoyed working with the Gate & Perimeter crew as much as I enjoyed being involved with a large theme camp. BM is a life enhancing experience regardless of your checkbook.
JStep, your analogy is good. I hope you are wrong, that these people surprise us and contribute to their first burn in amazing ways... Only time will tell.JStep wrote:I agree wholeheartedly, I don't see much in the way of people bashing people with money. To make it more analogous, you'd be comparing the guy dumpster diving for materials to a guy that just buys sculpture from another guy who just gets it for free by providing the studio. Then we can compare which is more creative in presenting ideas.grape wrote:Radical Free Expression can be affected/influenced by how much money and time you can afford to expend on it.
I worked as a Sculptor/Metal Worker in my youth and I found that there wasn't a great difference between the Art/Biz Pro with a gallery funded studio and the starving art student dumpster diving for materials except money. The creativity and presentation of ideas was equal but level of sophistication in execution was like Night & Day.
Bronze versus glue & sticks.
I enjoyed working with the Gate & Perimeter crew as much as I enjoyed being involved with a large theme camp. BM is a life enhancing experience regardless of your checkbook.
I just can't stop posting, somebody, please turn off my brain!!!
The curse of an impassioned intellectual.JStep wrote:
I just can't stop posting, somebody, please turn off my brain!!!
I respect the fact you do not like what I am doing. We all have our own view of what we think Burning Man is all about.chrisweitz wrote:to Simon of the Playa,
I wasn't talking to you.
But at 6868 posts I guess you think everyone is. Jesus!
Thank you for the Chai Latte --
And shove it up your ass. There, now we're talking your language!
Not a hippy but I like them. You, meh...
Meh, I think the jury is still out. I pointed out my suspicions before you did if you're keeping score.Isotopia wrote:Yeah, I took the bait just like the rest of you folk. Still, I can't fucking believe that you haven't figure out this amazing experiment in trolling.
We shall see what we shall see... And the funniest part of this whole thing is that once on the playa, nobody that posted on this thread will ever come in contact with any of the people that you bring; and if they do odds are they will never recognize them.sacramentogames wrote:I respect the fact you do not like what I am doing. We all have our own view of what we think Burning Man is all about.chrisweitz wrote:to Simon of the Playa,
I wasn't talking to you.
But at 6868 posts I guess you think everyone is. Jesus!
Thank you for the Chai Latte --
And shove it up your ass. There, now we're talking your language!
Not a hippy but I like them. You, meh...
I'm glad we can get this all out now. By the time we are all on the playa we can all sit back, enjoy a drink, and let the good times roll.
I can surely agree with this. The whole nature of my posts on this thread is the principled and abstract ethics and intent of the situation. Once I'm there, I doubt I'll even remember this thread or it's implications.jkisha wrote: In other words--your project will have zero impact on the event or anyone here bitching about it.
JK
